posted 03-27-2003 02:19 PM            

That money is better spent elsewhere.

"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie,
and thus by extension,
the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

posted 03-27-2003 02:47 PM            

I just want to welcome you and let you know that what you are dealing with is completely normal. It's not uncommon to go through a period of anger, such as the one you are obviously stuck in now. It's ok, it means you are beyond the denial phase, and progressing through the anger phase, and soon you will move into acceptance.

Good for you!

Denial
Anger
Acceptance

And after only 6 posts!
See? I told you you are special!

The truth will set you free!

But first, it will piss you off.

Why don't you post some facts to back up your emotional out bursts?
We are big on facts around here.
Lots and lots of facts, facts for miles!

Actually, if you don't have facts, you stop being a part of our think tank for a better world and become...

comic relief, most likely.

posted 03-27-2003 02:48 PM            

Raelven,
You are one cool customer. You always come in with a VERY profound saying. Keep it up!!! Be careful of Fastwalker, he'll pounce on you for speaking French.

posted 03-27-2003 02:51 PM            

"Mental floss helps prevent Truth decay..."

posted 03-27-2003 03:26 PM            

southern man don't need you around anyhow gas....

think I'm going to run a tally on your derisive comments gas...yea...that's the ticket...

gas has been asked to provide facts to back up his allegations...and he has declined...which is more proof he is a pathological liar...

instead gas bag flings more verbal assaults and derrogatory comments...

seems like fastwalker is a sane incredibly observant individual...

"bellicos" gas' favorite word...isn't he the guy who play *boltar* in battlestar galactica ?

(the above is humor, something liberal commie anarchist wouldn't know if it was a brick and hit them in the face)

posted 03-27-2003 04:08 PM            

You see, you and Fastwalker took the bait in this thread, a psychology study of Bush and the idiots who support him. Quite a few responses I'd say.

posted 03-27-2003 04:27 PM            

oh my....

so your baiting ?

posted 03-27-2003 05:01 PM            

That's the way YOU want it. I offered a truce, and you refused. Let that be public knowledge.

posted 03-27-2003 05:33 PM            

The first casualty when war comes, is Truth.

posted 03-27-2003 06:08 PM            

liberal passivists are what's wrong with this country...

even stevie wonder can see that...

posted 03-27-2003 06:24 PM            

The greatest threat to our world and its peace
comes from those who want war, who prepare for it,
and who, by holding out vague promises of future peace
or instilling fear of foreign agression, try to make us accomplices to their plans.

-- Herman Hess-Author (1877-1962)

posted 03-27-2003 06:34 PM            

Here I am, perfectly willing to have a decent conversation, and Gas and Mech are such idiots that they can't even stick to one topic or reply to ONE single question with any level of sincerity. You’d think they’d jump at an opportunity with someone like me who’s actually willing to engage in conversation....Instead they throw up blind mis-guided flak like a desperate Iraqi defense system. The dishonesty and self-delusion is so unbelievably thick, you couldn't get through to these ignoramuses with a daisy cutter/MOAB combo. (Pardon my references..war is on the mind)

Seeker is absolutely right...you are complete liars and defenders of evil. You are not even honest with yourselves, or you'd leave a country you hate so much.

Scum-sucking clowns like yourselves are destroying this country from within, and I have a problem with that. Get a clue Raeleven and it just might occur to you that maybe that's what I'm angry at....Saddam supporters like yourselves...Ya think?

posted 03-27-2003 09:35 PM            

theseeker posted;
>btw, the accuate translation is THOU SHALT NOT MURDER....NOT KILL...<
I checked with Rabbis. You are essentially correct.
It's a prohibition against shedding of "innocent blood".
swampgas posted:
>A cross sections of many polls gives Bush between 60-70% approval in the U.S. Outside the U.S., 70-80% disapproval.<
I've got it on videotape:
"Zogby of 'Zogby Polling' said (October 2000 on C-SPAN):
"We count every Republican response twice, on the belief that they are more likely to be out making a living." (thus less likely home to answer the phone than Democrats)
Other pollsters at the same forum said right out that "The RNC exert a lot of pressure to interpret the margin of error in favor of Republicans.""
Don't trust those polls swamp.
Harris was begun by the RNC, and so on and so on and so on.
Polls are to manipulate opinion; not to gauge or reflect opinion.
A poll of "likely voters" means a poll of exclusively "middle aged Republicans".
Bush is down to 60-70% approval in the U.S. among middle aged Republicans.

Mech posted:
>I don't support a Satan worshipper(skull and bones)...Bu$h.<
Skull and Bones worships 'the goddess' Diana/Hecate/et al.
Proud Veteran,
Haven't hunted since my discharge from the US Army.
If it ain't shooting at me; I've got no arguement with it.
Attitudes change when you pull the trigger and see humans (enemy) go down.
I still 'hunt' but my deer tag gets used by someone else. I enjoy the woods and meadows &
can understand and support the exultation of a first kill by newbie hunters.
No argument with them.
Fastwalker posted:
>George W Bush will probably go down as the greatest president in US history. Funny how the those, like Mech and Gas who are so filled with hate, can't recognize true evil.<
I support your right to your opinion.
I feel that with Bush the first and Bush the second as bookends:
>Bill Clinton will probably go down as the greatest President in recent US history. Funny how the those who are so filled with hate, can't recognize an ordinary man who said "NO!" to the NWO and suffered as a result.<
Mech posted:
>America has been hijacked...it has been for many, many years. A democrat face in the White House won't help either..they are just as corrupt. We need a full return to CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. <
Especially if John Kerry is the Democrats' Skull & Bonesman candidate.
I was feeling sympathetic to theseeker until his mention of accordian.
Jolly Joe Timmer has ruined many weekends of my time in Bethehem PA.
swamp gas posted:
>The crowes always go for the best fruit, as Betty Grable used to say.<
Are you sure she didn't say 'the biggest melons?'
Fastwalker posted:
>What a delusional, America-hating moron you are. Leave the damn country already. You are the enemy within.<
"...people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Hermann Goering,

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public." - Theodore Roosevelt
"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
Hmmm
Agrre with Goering, disagree with Roosevelt & Eisenhower?
No wonder they kicked Barry Goldwater out; he would never accept lies from either side.
theseeker posted:
>liberal passivists are what's wrong with this country...<
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence; Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
- William Gladstone (1809-1898)

posted 03-28-2003 01:07 AM            

The truth is however, that Bush is also greatly loved by a majority of the world….and those are the people that count. Over 70 percent of US citizens support the war in Iraq, to remove Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction, by the way. Most people with I.Qs exceding that of a common houseplant understand why Saddam’s removal is necessary for world safety.

Note also that the people who respect Bush the most are often from recently liberated countries that knew the horrors of living under a repressive regime. They know and understand the meaning and beauty of America and the principals of freedom…having been denied such things. And they love GW Bush. You can stick to your lies and delusions all you want, but, as Tony Blair pointed out earlier today, the majority of Europeans actually support the war and the efforts that the United States under the expert leadership of GW Bush is undertaking to remove a truly evil demon from hell from power. The coalition of countries supporting the war effort (and GW Bush) is actually larger than the coalition under W’s father during the first gulf war, by the way. The only countries that do not support the war effort have special business dealings with the mass-murdering tyrant Saddam Hussein. These are the countries you evidently support, Gas….and in doing so, you support Saddam’s murderous regime itself.

posted 03-28-2003 01:32 AM            

uhh...and the greatest President 20th century was Ronald Wilson Reagan !

gas you sure care alot about the worlds opinion...anti-nwo-globalist-constitutionalist reverse sex pacticing dude that you say you are...I could frankly careless and if someone said that they put up a fence to keep them out it would not bother me...

other than about 50 countries that are involved with the coalition, I could totally careless about the rest of the world...

fastwalker glad to have another voice of reason in the fray...takes balls to walk in and speak your mind...as far as being polite to the natives...there's a few threads here where the very flower of humanity comes shining through me...

wonder how fast that wav. loads on a dial-up...grinning...

posted 03-28-2003 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Fastwalker:

The truth is however, that Bush is also greatly loved by a majority of the world….and those are the people that count. Over 70 percent of US citizens support the war in Iraq, to remove Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction, by the way.

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Back that statement up with something, a link to your source would be a good start.

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Note also that the people who respect Bush the most are often from recently liberated countries that knew the horrors of living under a repressive regime... And they love GW Bush.

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Show me the numbers. Other wise that is merely your opinion.

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The coalition of countries supporting the war effort (and GW Bush) is actually larger than the coalition under W’s father during the first gulf war, by the way.

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Prove that assertion, thanks!

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The only countries that do not support the war effort have special business dealings with the mass-murdering tyrant Saddam Hussein.

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You are going to need some serious source citing to convince me of that. Unless you mean the USA. But you couldn't... because that would be treason!

Facts, much? Yeah I didn't think so.

I'm not in the state of denial.
I'm on the west coast.

You are very emotional, and you present no facts to support your discourse of personal opinion... that's not good!
That will make you have a heart attack!
You need to calm down, stress is very bad for you. Paragraphs however are very healthy, you should put more of them in your posts, they might actually be taken seriously.

posted 03-28-2003 08:59 AM            

NO WAR IN IRAQ

BRING THE TROOPS HOME

RESTORE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW

posted 03-28-2003 10:26 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Fastwalker:

The truth is however, that Bush is also greatly loved by a majority of the world….and those are the people that count. Over 70 percent of US citizens support the war in Iraq, to remove Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction, by the way.

Back that statement up with something, a link to your source would be a good start.

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Uh…try Gallup…That is usually a well respected polling service;
http://gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030325.asp

“Earlier this month, just 59% of Americans were in favor of sending U.S. ground troops to Iraq. That figure edged higher as the war approached and, now that war is underway, 72% say they support it.”

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Note also that the people who respect Bush the most are often from recently liberated countries that knew the horrors of living under a repressive regime... And they love GW Bush.

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Show me the numbers. Other wise that is merely your opinion.

Better yet…..I’ll show you a list;

The open list of the coalition countries

United Kingdom - attended the Azores summit with the US and Spain, will provide military support including about 45,000 troops.

Spain - attended the Azores summit with the US and the UK and is not sending troops into the conflict, but will deploy military personnel and equipment in a support capacity and offer warplanes to defend Turkey from an attack from neighbouring Iraq.

Australia - military support including about 2,000 troops and and 150 special forces.

Kuwait - Around 300,000 U.S. and British troops are in the Kuwaiti desert in preparation for an invasion, and it is a members of the GCC.

Poland - military support including 200 troops and a logistics ship.

Albania - military support of about 70 troops for non-combat roles.

Romania - providing basing rights and has contributed 278 experts in landmine removal and chemical and biological decontamination. It has opened its airspace to ally planes, and will contributed post-conflict and non-combatant military troops for humanitarian missions.

Czech Republic - sending a chemical-biological warfare support unit.

Portugal - granted U.S. permission to use Lajes Field air base in the Azores Islands, a traditional eastern Atlantic refuelling stop.

Italy - not sending troops, but will provide the minimum base of logistical support, in particular, the use of bases and air space.

Turkey - is still negotiating the extent of its involvement in any war.

Japan - prepared only to provide post-conflict financial support for the reconstruction of Iraq due to Japan's post-war pacifist constitution bans the use of force in settling international disputes.

South Korea - may send non-combat troops likely to be a 500-strong engineering battalion and has pledged aid as well as help to war refugees.

Denmark - a warship and a submarine, a medical team, and AWACS crew-members. Also set aside funds for postwar reconstruction.

Netherlands - sent patriot anti-missile batteries to Turkey and about 300 soldiers to man them along border with Iraq. They have given full support to the US in moving its troops through Holland to the Middle East and will to take part in any peace-keeping operation in Iraq after the war was over.

Hungary - providing political support.

Estonia - extent of support is unclear, but may be seeking US financial or military support through Nato.

Latvia - extent of support is unclear, but may be seeking US financial or military support through Nato.

Lithuania - extent of support is unclear, but may be seeking US financial or military support through Nato.

Bulgaria - has offered 150 non-combat troops.

Slovakia - providing political support.

Macedonia - providing political support.

Azerbaijan - providing political support.

Afghanistan - promise of support due to involvement in the war on terrorism.

Georgia - offered political and moral support and use of its air bases/

Philippines - political and moral support.

Uzbekistan - promise of support due to involvement in the war on terrorism.

Colombia - prepared to offer political support due to US funding of the anti-drugs war.

El Salvador - has offered political support and will send Salvadoran military officials with any U.N. troops assigned to maintain peace in Iraq, due to US funding of the anti-drugs war.

Nicaragua - prepared to offer political support due to US funding of the anti-drugs war.

Dominican Republic - providing political support.

Costa Rica - providing political support.

Honduras - political and moral support.

Eritrea - political and moral support (may be seeking US support in a boundary dispute with rival neighbour Ethiopia).

Ethiopia - political and moral support (may be seeking US support in a boundary dispute with rival neighbour Eritrea).

Rwanda - providing political support.

Uganda - providing political support.

Iceland - does not have an independent military but will provide postwar humanitarian relief.

Singapore - will allow US military ships and aircraft to call at Singapore and to use military bases and air space.

Mongolia - providing political support.

Marshall Islands - providing political support as it does not have a military.

Micronesia - providing political support.

Solomon Islands - providing political support as it does not have an independent military.

Palau - providing political support.

Panama - providing political support.

Unnamed countries which may be on the expanded list of the coalition include:

Bahrain - has made facilities available to the US military, and is a member of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) which agreed to help provide for the defence of Kuwait in the event of a new war with Iraq.

Oman - has made facilities available to the US military, and is a members of the GCC.

Qatar - U.S. Central Command mobile headquarters at Camp As Sayliyah. Al-Udeid air base opened for in-flight refuelling squadron, F-15 fighter wing and maintenance hangars, and is a member of the GCC.

Saudi Arabia - has made facilities available to the US military, and is a members of the GCC.

United Arab Emirates - has made facilities available to the US military, and is a members of the GCC.

Jordan - U.S. troops are stationed in Jordan near the Iraqi border manning anti-missile batteries in case Iraq fires missiles at Israel.

Belgium - Allowed movement of troops and materiel from U.S. bases in Germany to port of Antwerp en route to the Persian Gulf; will allow overflights.

Croatia - Allowing refuelling stops by U.S. transport aircraft.

Egypt - Keeping Suez Canal open to U.S. and allied warships en route to gulf.

Greece - U.S. naval base in Crete serves U.S. 6th Fleet and supports Navy and Air Force intelligence-gathering planes. Allowing use of airspace under NATO and bilateral defence agreements, but will not send troops.

Germany - Ruled out any participation, but pledges unhindered use of airspace and access to U.S. and British bases in Germany.

Cyprus - degree of support unknown.

Israel - the main US ally in the Middle East.

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“The coalition of countries supporting the war effort (and GW Bush) is actually larger than the coalition under W’s father during the first gulf war, by the way”

Prove that assertion, thanks! .

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See list above…compare to 91 war

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FW’s QUOTE
The only countries that do not support the war effort have special business dealings with the mass-murdering tyrant Saddam Hussein.[

You are going to need some serious source citing to convince me of that. Unless you mean the USA. But you couldn't... because that would be treason! . Facts, much? Yeah I didn't think so

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You are seriously naive if you haven’t heard about France, Russia, China, Iran, and Syria providing assistance to Saddam’s regime, by now. All these countries opposed the final resolution for war…even though they signed onto 1441.

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I'm not in the state of denial.

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Yes you are.

quote:

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I'm on the west coast.

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Dumb joke

quote:

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You are very emotional, and you present no facts to support your discourse of personal opinion... that's not good!

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Just did…

quote:

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You need to calm down, stress is very bad for you. Paragraphs however are very healthy, you should put more of them in your posts, they might actually be taken seriously.

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You need to crawl out of your shell and start paying attention to what is going on in the world.

Oh, and Mech...you are obviously a living, walker bumper sticker and poster boy for the left wing, who wants Saddam to remain in power.

posted 03-28-2003 02:15 PM            

I'd be glad to be a poster boy for the CONSTITUTIONALISTS.

Glad i'm not a poster boy for the extreme right wing NEO-CONS like you are Fastwalker.

Iraq never attacked us. This war is wrong.
The media is controlled.

This is no longer America as we have known it.

Only a return to ENFORCED constitutional law will save this country from the globalists and the New World Order.

Speaking of "Walker". Funny how Rummy talks about Iraqi Geneva Convention violations when the U.S. has violated it many times since the war in Afganistan.

posted 03-28-2003 02:43 PM            

28/03/2003 15:35 - (SA)

Cairo - Washington and London "have lost the war politically" and their campaign in Iraq is "heading to a disaster", British Middle East expert and journalist Patrick Seale wrote in an article published on Friday.

"Whatever the military outcome of the battle of Baghdad, the Americans and the British have lost the war politically and morally," he said in an opinion column in the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper.

"The invasion has not filled the hearts (of the Iraqis) with joy ... the US and the British forces are now facing the nightmare of urban warfare," he added in the article entitled "US, Britain heading to disaster."

"As they prepare to attack Baghdad, military planners are surely asking: would it be possible to capture the city at a reasonable cost in US and British lives," he said.

Seale also mentioned the "pressure exerted" on the coalition by "the humanitarian crisis" that threatens the 25-million population, and by the high numbers of expected civilian casualties.

"Whatever the result, the Iraqis are the focus of Arab admiration," said Seale, referring to the stiff resistance shown in the face of the US-led force, despite 12 years of "harsh international sanctions."

He said the war has led to "a dangerously widening gap between Gulf governments that are loyal to the United States and the broader Islamic and Arab nationalist current."

"The governments in Egypt and Jordan, torn between their loyalty to the United States and the anger of their public opinion against war, have started to fear."

'Deceitful propaganda'

Seale charged the United States with "deceitful propaganda" to justify the war, saying Washington has not proved its accusations that Baghdad was developing weapons of mass destruction and had links to terrorist groups.

"The real target of the war is to make US supremacy prevail on a strategic oil-rich region, and to protect Israel's regional superiority and its monopoly over weapons of mass destruction" in the Middle East, he alleged.

Seale, known for his biography of the late Syrian president Hafez al-Assad, criticised British Prime Minister Tony Blair who, despite his full backing for United States, has not been able to get Washington to agree on a prominent role for the United Nations in reconstructing Iraq.