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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-28-2003 03:22 PM
Speaking of "Walker". Funny how Rummy talks about Iraqi Geneva Convention violations when the U.S. has violated it many times since the war in Afganistan.PROOF DAMN IT PROOF ! (btw someone mail me when this board speeds back up good gosh!) 
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swamp gas
Senior Member

Jersey City 159 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 04:20 PM
http://www.iacenter.org/geneva_usrefuse.htm

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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-28-2003 04:33 PM
the difference is that we are not putting the muzzel of a gun to the head of *them* and excecuting *them*, torture is not being performed...and they are not considered pow's anyway so the g.convention does not apply...that's the difference...commie symp.... I don't have the time to look it up for people who provide links from and support these type orgs.... from your linky gas bag... The authors are members of the national steering committee of the A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) Coalition, http://www.InternationalAnswer.org . COMMIES 
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6405 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 04:48 PM
Big deal.....there are so-called "commies" in every strata of American society...get used to it Seeker.The Constitution gives you the right to have a political preference. That's why we have Republicans, Independents, Greens, Commies, Democrats, Anarchists, Libertarians etc.
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Fastwalker
Senior Member
832 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 05:07 PM
What demented moron wants to make the argument "let's wait until NY City gets nuked next time before we respond rather than take pre-emptive measures, to see that an evil regime is removed, a regime that murdered over 2 million people, that has violated 18 resolutions agreed upon for the cease fire of the first gulf war, "? Mech apparently! Iraq is not a threat? It would take an expedition of seasoned mountaineers and a team of Sherpa guides to scale that pile of horse shite...You've got to be a completely rotted out pulp from the neck up, Mech..that's all I can say. And as for the US violating the Geneva convention???!!! Was anything more idiotic ever uttered on the net? I'm hard pressed to think of anything.. The US is the only nation on Earth, save perhaps Great Britain, that abides by the Geneva convention. Is Gas such a delusional idiot that he's forgotten the pictures from Al Jazera (Iraqi TV) of our dead soldiers desecrated and mutilated bodies brought before the cameras while the Satanic Iraqi executioners played and laughed over their dead bodies? Apparently Gas is such a delusional idiot. Notice how they missed the part where I mentioned that Saddam's regime had regularly killed people who disagreed even slightly with their politics (or whatever reason suited their satanic whims), by slowly placing people into plastic shredders (much like those wood chippers). Imagine the evil behind that scenario for a second. This is the regime that Mech and Gas want to see remain in power, while they accuse the US of violating Geneva conventions.... How do people like Mech and Gas become so sick and twisted to think this way? Boggles the mind. 
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swamp gas
Senior Member

Jersey City 159 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 05:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by theseeker: the difference is that we are not putting the muzzel of a gun to the head of *them* and excecuting *them*, torture is not being performed...and they are not considered pow's anyway so the g.convention does not apply...
What about the beating to death of 2 prisoners at Guantanamo. Oh, that's right, a mere technicality.
Oh FartTalker, did you actually see anyone executed in front of the camera? Oh that's right, America the Bold, CNN, FOX, Rumpsmell, and Dumbya wouldn't lie. They are good old boys, just like you you two stupid redneck, goat-ropers.
NEO-CONS, FASCISTS, CONSTITUTION HATERS
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Fastwalker
Senior Member
832 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 05:13 PM
quote: The Constitution gives you the right to have a political preference.
Correction, you commie symp; Soldiers who are fighting and dying at this moment are giving you that right to a political preference. Without defending it's principals, without preventing foreign tyrants from determining US policy, and without protecting the US from present and future attack, the constitution means nothing. 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-28-2003 05:17 PM
only a fool critizes current situations...and offer no solutions...oh and hey mech, check this out ! Big deal.....there are so-called "globalists" in every strata of American society...get used to it mech. The Constitution gives you the right to have a political preference. That's why we have Republicans, Independents, Greens, Commies, Democrats, Anarchists, Libertarians, and globalists etc. 

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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6405 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 05:17 PM
Hey FATwalker...calling me a "Commiesymp" has no meaning for me...you see...I served 4 years US military service defending my beloved Constitution...how about you? Care to prove it? FW:----"What demented moron wants to make the argument "let's wait until NY City gets nuked ?----"
PROVE that Saddam has Nukes..Fastwalker. Saddam is not a threat. WMD have never been found. FW:---"The US is the only nation on Earth, save perhaps Great Britain, that abides by the Geneva convention."
Pfffffff!!!! YEAH...If you say so. I know If I was invaded by a foreign country...i'd resort to whatever is necessary to expell them. You sure love to call names and hurl insults Fastwalker..You can't seem to carry on a civil conversation. Must be war fever. FW: "Notice how they missed the part where I mentioned that Saddam's regime had regularly killed people who disagreed even slightly with their politics (or whatever reason suited their satanic whims), by slowly placing people into plastic shredders (much like those wood chippers)." PROOF of this please? How do you know this is certifiable truth? Funny how during the 1980's...the USA found this type of behavior by Saddam...(if it is true) perfectly acceptable. Iraq didn't attack us. Iraq is not even a threat. This war is unjustified. Bush is a traitor to the Constitution. FW:---"How do people like Mech and Gas become so sick and twisted to think this way? "
It's called thinking for yourself.
It's called...being against killing for elitist profits. It's called..I care MORE about my country's future than you do.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6405 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 05:21 PM
Seeker...Show me where "Globalist" is a political preference.Show me how the WTO, (Globalist Legislation) helps US sovereignty.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-28-2003 05:37 PM
well mech you say globalists exist..so it must be true...and *they* must have a political party...other than the commies...bringing money from other countries into the U.S helps...duh.... done right it helps... 
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6405 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 05:40 PM
That is the problem Seeker...FAIR trade IS a good idea. Globalist controlled trade is NOT.Corporate monetary interests shouldn't corrode our national sovereignty. OR our Constitution. The globalists have gone WAY too far. 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-28-2003 05:48 PM
well then mech all you have to do is eliminate "outlaw" lobbies...it's that simple...whoopse...that freedom of speech thing... what a quandry... 
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6405 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 05:52 PM
Sounds as if you LIKE CORPORATE FUDALISM Seeker...no matter what the cost.
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Fastwalker
Senior Member
832 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 06:23 PM
A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head." Story link via Drudge Here’s another article on Saddam’s human shredders….
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/5482851.htm
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6405 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 06:33 PM
Hmmm....Yes bad. Saddam is bad.Still..the USA had no problem with Saddam doing these things during the 1980's and did buisness with him for years. Same with other "evil" regimes...like China and saudi Arabia.The US is happy to do buisness with them..yet treats their citizens like slaves and does similar horrible things to them. I don't see this war a a war of "liberation". There will be anotherr dictator installed friendly to US interests. Interests like Haliburton, Bechtel, Kellog Brown and Root, etc. Ad Nauseaum. Iraq didn't attack us. this war is unjustified. Restore constitutional law. Impeach Bu$h.
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shatoga
Agent Provocateur
1074 posts, Nov 2002
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posted 03-28-2003 07:17 PM
If it's acceptable for one side to scream 'commie' at everyone who supports the first amendment, Then is should be alright for the other side to call them Nazis- except:I question the applicability of the term 'commie' Watch what they do and it quickly becomes clear who are the 'commies' in America. No group has better served international Communism than the party that kicked out Barry Goldwater ("I didn't leave them, they left me." -Barry Goldwater) The party of Nixon Kissinger and Bush: President Nixon announces that "a significant change has taken place among the members of the U.N. on the admission of mainland China, " -June 1, 1971 Because it was Nixon Kissinger and Bush the first that made the historic reapprochment that culminated in: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB70/index2.html >On 25 October 1971, while Kissinger was returning from China, the General Assembly, by the vote of a substantial majority, admitted the People's Republic of China to the UN and expelled the Republic of China.< http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/china/timeline/timeline6nf.html America's pseudo 'anti'communists could have vetoed putting Communist China on the UN security Council with a veto vote. they instead facilitated it. Watch what they do and it quickly becomes clear who are the 'commies' in America. >Secretary of State Rogers announces that the U.S. will end its 20-year policy of opposition to Communist China's admission to the U.N...< -August 2, 1971 They've lied to us at every opportunity so far. Why should anyone believe them now? In the book "Enemy At the Gates" (about Stalingrad) A German and Russian soldier ask each other: "Why are we fighting? we both have the same type of government. Only the names of the people at the top are different." Both of the terms Nazi and Commie better fit those who oppose the first amendment. Those who support the First amendment better fit the term "Patriot" IMHO
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-28-2003 07:49 PM
I question the applicability of the term 'commie' well shatoga if you guys would read some of the sites you promote you'd see clearly that "ANSWER" is a commie funded org...it says it right there on the site...not just endorsed butthead...FUNDED.... thar's a big difference... I realize you probably just spit ramen noodles all over you monitor...I'll give you some time to clean up ! 
btw looking better !
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shatoga
Agent Provocateur
1074 posts, Nov 2002
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posted 03-28-2003 08:01 PM
Gallup? the unbiased pollster that tried unsuccessfully to convince everybody to vote against Truman? >In many of the polls, Truman was matched against other actual or potential candidates for president in the 1948 and 1952 elections. In his press release of November 1, 1948, Gallup confidently predicted that Governor Thomas E. Dewey would win the next day's presidential election by a substantial margin. Truman's upset victory led to an investigation of the Institute's polling procedures,< http://www.trumanlibrary.org/hstpaper/amerinst.htm#bio I'd prefer to see a more unbiased source. 
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6405 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 08:52 PM
FW:---"Correction, you commie symp; Soldiers who are fighting and dying at this moment are giving you that right to a political preference.---"Hey FATwalker...calling me a "Commiesymp" has no meaning for me...you see...I served 4 years US military service defending my beloved Constitution...how about you? Care to prove it? Shatoga seved in Vietnam. Don't even TRY to tell me or Shatoga we can't speak out or tell us what political party to support you NEO CON chickenhawk! Don't even go there.
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Fastwalker
Senior Member
832 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 10:24 PM
I don’t believe for a second that you actually served this country or its constitution. And frankly, it doesn’t matter if you did, you are still a traitor. I may have fought in two wars for all you know, oh say…Desert Storm and Serbia. It doesn’t matter. I call em like I see em and that’s MY right to free speech, looser. For all your anti-American garbage and lies that that you spew out, I have a right to counter it with the truth. If you don’t like it, you can go screw yourself. In addition, calling me a neo-con is idiotic. Neo means new. I’ve been a mainstream conservative for as long as I can remember, probably longer than you’ve been alive. 
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swamp gas
Senior Member

Jersey City 159 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 03-28-2003 10:31 PM
President Bush and Colin Powell are sitting in a bar. A guy walks in and asks the barman, "Isn't that Bush and Powell sitting over there?" The barman says, "Yep, that's them." So the guy walks over and says, "Wow, this is a real honor. What are you guys doing in here?" Bush says, "We're planning WW III ". The guy says, "Really? What's going to happen?" Bush says, "Well, we're going to kill 140 million Iraqis this time and one blonde with big tits. The guy exclaimed, "A blonde with big tits? Why kill a blonde with big tits? Bush turns to Powell, punches him on the shoulder and says, "See, smart ass, I told you no one would worry about the 140 million Iraqis!"

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Fastwalker
Senior Member
832 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 10:58 PM
America has an arsenal of around 90% precision guided munitions for the express purpose of avoiding civilian casualties. No other country on Earth has taken such a humanitarian effort to avoid civilian casualties during war. Iraqis are not worried about American bombing for this reason. They understand we are hitting military targets, unlike certain deluded leftist, America haters on this board. In fact most Iraqi civilians welcome our liberation of them....but what they fear most is what Saddam's remaining regime will do to them. If civilians die it's because Saddam's satanic regime intentionally puts civilians in the area of military targets or places military targets among civilian populations. I'd worry about the Americans who could die as a result of not taking these targets out because idiot Saddam defenders such as yourself start whining and blaming America. Due to the actions of people like you is why we have to fight this second war. People like YOU get Americans killed, and I resent that. Besides, you lying scum, there are only around 6 million people in Baghdad. If our intention was to kill them we would have simply nuked the place and saved a lot of money and American lives in the process, but that's not our intention. Our intention is to liberate the Iraqi people, and they understand that fact, even if leftist idiots like yourself do not. 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-29-2003 12:25 AM
BRAVO !Elen síla lumenn' omentielvo! whatever the hell that means... 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-29-2003 01:23 AM
hopefully they'll get what the toads got !Bush: Iraqi war criminals to be 'hunted relentlessly' 'Complete victory' cited as goal WASHINGTON (AP) --President Bush, accusing Saddam Hussein's regime of committing scores of atrocities against the Iraqi people and prisoners of war, said those responsible will be "hunted relentlessly and judged severely." Speaking to war veterans in the East Room of the White House, the president said U.S.-led forces were closing in on Baghdad, loosening Saddam's grip on power with every advance. "The regime that once terrorized all of Iraq now controls a small portion of that country," he said. Bush accused Saddam's forces of murdering Iraqis who refuse to fight coalition forces, brutalizing and executing prisoners of war and opening fire under the flag of surrender. "Against this enemy, we will accept no outcome except complete victory," he said. The president and his surrogates are intensifying their criticism of Saddam's regime as they seek to rally public opinion behind a war that some now say may last longer than expected. "Every Iraqi atrocity has confirmed the justice and urgency of our cause," he said. Bush spoke shortly before he was to depart for Camp David, where he will conduct a video conference with his war council Saturday. He spent Wednesday night at the mountaintop retreat for a meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and was at Camp David for the first weekend of the war. Earlier on Friday, the president telephoned Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, who co-sponsored a failed U.N. war resolution with the United States and Britain. Speaking of efforts by the U.S. military to deliver food to Iraqi civilians, spare innocents from harm and treat wounded Iraqi soldiers, Bush told veterans: "The contrast could not be greater between the honorable conduct of our forces and the criminal acts of the enemy." A commander's comments Bush awoke to front-page stories in The Washington Post and The New York Times quoting the Army's senior ground commander in Iraq as saying the effort to oust Saddam may last longer than predicted. "The enemy we're fighting is different from the one we'd war-gamed against," said Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace. The remarks were met with private recriminations from Bush and top aides at the White House, all of whom have sought to assure Americans that the war is going well despite casualties and stiffer-than-expected resistance on Iraqi battlefields. "I think the point here, as you've heard it repeatedly from administration officials, that we cannot predict how long it will go," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. He had trouble squaring those remarks with Vice President Dick Cheney's prediction earlier this month that war would be "relatively quick - weeks rather than months. " First, he noted that Cheney also had said there is always the possibility of complications that can't anticipated "And obviously one week into the battle, I don't know that anybody can draw any conclusions about duration to judge whether the vice president is precise or not, is accurate or not," Fleischer said, adding that he was not suggesting that Bush's war plan had run into unanticipated complications.

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