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Topic: Internment Camps don't exist? Oh really? | Topic page views:
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 5978 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-01-2003 12:54 PM
Not if you are designated as one of Bush/Ashcrofts "enemy combatants". You won't be enjoying much entertainment.

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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA 456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-03-2003 10:34 PM
Oh boy, THAT arguement again. Mech, stop patting yourself on the back...you're not the first one to have insinuated that the Army field manual designed to help Military Police deal with refugees and other displaced people during a war is somehow a code-worded book to help American soldiers imprison their own neighbors, friends and family (ie, fellow Americans).There are numerous references throughout the manual talking about complying with Geneva Conventions and humanitarian laws, as well as "repatriation" to their home country. It's quite clear that this manual's context is in reference to a foreign situation, NOT a domestic one. quote:
1-36. Basic US policy underlying the treatment of detainees and other captured or interned personnel during the course of a conflict requires and directs that all personnel be accorded humanitarian care and treatment from the moment of custody until their final release or repatriation. The US personnel are fully and equally bound to observe this policy whether capturing troops, custodial personnel, or anyone else, regardless of the capacity they may be serving. This policy is equally applicable for protecting detained and interned personnel whether they are known to have committed or are suspected of committing a serious offense that could be characterized as a war crime. The punishment of such persons is administered by the due process of law and under legally constituted authority. Inhumane treatment, even if committed under stress of combat and with deep provocation, is a serious and punishable violation under national law, international law, and the UCMJ.
It's clear from the above quote that there are NO references to domestic "concentration camp" operations. In fact, the word repatriation is used, which implies a foreign conflict. quote:
1-40. The 1951 Convention also provides protection of refugees. A refugee has the right to safe asylum; however, international protection comprises more than physical safety. Refugees receive the same rights and help as any other foreigner who is a legal resident, including certain fundamental entitlements of every individual. Refugees have basic civil rights, including freedom of thought and movement and freedom from torture and degrading treatment. Similarly, refugees have economic and social rights. Every adult refugee has the right to work, and no child refugee is deprived of schooling. In certain circumstances, such as large-scale inflows of refugees, asylum states may feel obliged to restrict certain rights, such as freedoms of movement, work, and education. Such gaps should be filled by the international community when possible. When resources are unavailable from the government of the asylum country or other agencies, the UNHCR will assist
Here it talks about refugees. Again, nothing that implies this manual is meant for domestic operations. I used to be in the National Guard, and we trained for civil emergency operations (ie, anti-mob tactics, etc). Nothing was ever mentioned of detention camps. Nothing was ever mentioned above and beyond the normal arrests for dangerous behavior. Our policy was to turn anyone arrested over to the civil authorities. We were never authorized to hold ANYONE any longer than necessary to turn them over to the police. I could go through that manual again to find better references to the FOREIGN conflict nature, but I'm about to go to bed. Instead, find a blurb in there that specifically mentions domestic internment camp operations. I'll bet you a beer that you'll come up empty handed...and ambiguous terms don't count. 
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 5978 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-03-2003 10:39 PM
Pacer..... Did you read the PATRIOT ACT?
Did you read THE DOMESTIC ENHANCEMENT AND SECURITY ACT OF 2003?
ANY CITIZEN can be accused of being an "Enemy Combatant." That means Dissenters...Constitutionalists or even Right-wing militiamen. Those who sacrifice LIBERTY for "SECURITY" deserve neither liberty nor security.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Mech on 04-03-2003] 
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA 456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-03-2003 10:55 PM
Mech,I realize that. However you're missing my point. Despite what the patriot act says, that FM was NOT written in any context to provide instruction to create internment camps here in the USA. You're resorting to fear-mongering. In fact, it defies logic. Few, if any, US military personnel would be willing to intern US citizens in mass "concentration camps". 
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 5978 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-03-2003 11:01 PM
I hope so Pacer.Honestly...I do. This legislation states otherwise.
Just because it isn't in the manual..doesn't mean the Patriot act or the D.S.E ACT doesn't exist. 
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smartcard
New Member

Israel 1 posts, Feb 2004
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posted 02-01-2004 11:04 AM
I keep getting this problem in the Last week too what is the Problem??? Thanks Sam (the Smartcard) quote: Originally posted by Lulu: Still no luck in accessing the above link in your first post Mech~Gateway Timeout The following error occurred: Server unreachable

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shatoga
Agent Provocateur
1092 posts, Nov 2002
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posted 02-01-2004 06:44 PM
First person I ever met who'd claimed to have spent time in a gov't internment camp was a one armed rightwing nutcase. (whom I saw on TV after the OKC bombing: as one of Tim McVeigh's associates) This "nut" had told me that he got released only after he promised his interrogators that: He would help them get anyone, or do anything; so long as he was no longer behind bars.After the OKC event: I called the on-screen number to the fibbies and related every wcnversation with Tim or any of or his associates. The "SAIC" thanked me for calling, and promised: "We will cross your name off the list." They were Tim's handlers and controllers/IMHO and manipulated events )including crimes committed) to help their prosecution. totally on topic. I have seen federal prisons that were completed, yet left vacant, in several states. That is only one persons/me. The network is in place for the rightwing police state that the neo-cons intend to impose on all of us. Argue with me online now, but, later: in a concentration camp, after you find out the hard way; I am not paranoid -just- well informed.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by shatoga on 02-01-2004]

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