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Fastwalker
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832 posts, Mar 2003

posted 04-10-2003 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding that American flag, it is interesting to note that Arab news sources have today posted a picture on it’s front pages of that brief moment when the statue had the American flag over its face, as a form of propaganda. These papers are trying to falsely imply that this was an act of American "imperialism", that America is coming to conquer rather than liberate.

But we know this is a lie, don't we...

Shortly after the statue was draped in that American flag, that Marine quickly replaced it with the original Iraqi flag (that was in place before Saddam came to power)....This remained for a few moments as a kind of scarf for the Saddam statue, but then I'm sure some Marines had second thoughts about that and realized it would not be a good symbolic image to see that Iraqi flag come tumbling down with the statue...so that was removed as well.

Obviously this was not a planned incident, because, if this was a carefully planned event, the blunder of putting the American flag over Saddam's face would have been avoided (for the reason that we are seeing now....Arab media is using it as a source of propaganda)..

They are not showing the whole story by posting that picture of Saddam with the American flag...and who is right there next in line to propagate the Arab propaganda, but CNN and Mech!??! Anybody who watched this whole historic event from beginning to end, knows the truth.

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-10-2003 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw the replay.

It was a CLASSIC, TEXTBOOK PSY-OP.

Perfectly Orchestrated. Troops showed up at the exact place at the right time.

Now the media whores are showing it over and over.

It's a subtle form of brainwashing.

Too bad EVERYTHING the American Flag stands for is being destroyed right before our very eyes...thanks to this administration and their idea of a "Homeland".
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001094.html

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Fastwalker
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832 posts, Mar 2003

posted 04-10-2003 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no question that American troops were attempting to show their presence at the heart of Baghdad, to counter Arab propaganda that Iraqis were winning the war. There is no question that they planned to topple many symbols of Iraqi power such as statues and presidential palaces, for this reason. It is a message that could save Iraqi and American lives because it is saying to those still putting up resistance "your government has fallen, put down your arms...there is nothing left to fight for"...

There is no doubt that the US is employing this psychology and it's a damn good idea because it is a way to end the war quicker. It sure shut "Baghdad Bob" the hell up, didn't it? Now it seems that Mech desires to take up the reigns where, the comedic Bagdad propagandist left off. Obviously, if Mech had his way, the US military would not engage in these demonstrations of military presence as a psychological campain designed to end the war quicker and save lives.

But...this was a real event. This was not staged. It may have been planned (by Iraqis who have long desired and dreamed of taking part in the overturning of Saddam's symbols of power) but it was not staged. Those were real Iraqis...That was a real statue.

Have you considered the possibility Mech that Iraqis came out soon after the troops arrived, because they realized they were free then with the protection of the American military, to do what they were planning? In other words, if those Iraqis tried to come out and topple that statue BEFORE that armored division arrived, they would have been easy sniper bait.

You didn't consider this possibility Mech, because your gut instinct is to automatically hate America....

Like I said, you are a better mouthpiece for Saddam's regime than Baghdad Bob.

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-10-2003 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No...

I don't trust this GOVERNMENT to DO THE RIGHT THING...AT ALL.

YOU WISH...I hated my country.

I think i love it more than you do.

Enought to see through the LIES AND CORRUPTION our SELECTED leaders commit against thier own people to line their own pockets.

Study history FW.

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Fastwalker
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832 posts, Mar 2003

posted 04-10-2003 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you look at the dictionary definition of Mech, I believe you'll find this phrase;

(Mech); noun. Meaning; steel plated head of bone, encased in a block of reinforced concrete, dipped in a polycarbonate casing with Kevlar insulation to prevent penetration of any thoughts whatsoever.....

See, ignoramus

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-11-2003 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Insults Fastwalker. NO substance.


OAKLAND RESIDENTS DEMAND ACCOUNTING OF POLICE ATTACK ON ANTI-WAR PROTESTERS.

By Rafael Azul
April 11, 2003
http://www.gooff.com/NM/templates/Breaking_News.asp?articleid=750&zoneid=2

Hundreds of citizens of Oakland, California jammed a City Council meeting on Tuesday, April 8 to protest the violent police attack on an antiwar demonstration the day before that left scores of demonstrators injured. Chanting, “Shame, shame,” the Oakland residents showed their outrage over the attack and demanded an investigation. Sri Louise, a pacifist, who was struck by a wooden bullet that left her with a softball-sized welt on her jaw, told council members they had a responsibility to investigate police conduct.

“I, for one, will not settle for anything less than an absolutely thorough investigation into what happened,” she said. Referring to the large welt on her cheek, she said, “You might have seen it; it’s been all over the world. The entire world is watching what Oakland will do.”

There is every indication that the police attack on demonstrators at the Port of Oakland was pre-planned and totally unprovoked by the protesters. Eyewitness reports from several sources indicate that when the police attacked the demonstrators there had been no acts of violence and no acts of civil disobedience. No traffic was being blocked in or out of the port.

The 500 people there were exercising their First Amendment right to protest the role being played by American President Line (APL) and the Stevedoring Services of America (SSA) in the current war on Iraq. The reports also indicate that the demonstrators were already moving away from the APL gate when the Oakland Police Department (OPD) attacked them, at close range.

Police repression of antiwar demonstrators has been on an increase since the US war on Iraq began on March 20. The focus of Monday’s police attack was the International Longshore Workers Union (ILWU). The attack on protesters by the OPD on April 7 reveals the concern by the White House and the ruling elite that sections of the working class will play a more active role in the antiwar movement. Oakland Mayor Jerry Brown, himself a veteran of Vietnam-era protests and of recent demonstrations at the docks, closed ranks with the police and applauded their methods against the demonstration and the workers. Both shipping companies have long-standing connections with the White House.

On April 7 at 5 a.m., 500 antiwar protesters set up a picket line at the Port of Oakland, with the expectation that longshore workers would not cross. The antiwar positions of many members of ILWU Local 10 were well known—many of them have regularly participated in recent demonstrations in San Francisco and Oakland. When ILWU members arrived at the picket line, they were instructed by union officials not to enter the APL dock, pending an arbitrator’s decision that the picket line constituted a safety hazard, a finding that, under the current contract, would have allowed them not to load cargo for APL or SSA.

Despite having been informed by the organizers of the protest that no civil disobedience was planned and traffic would not be blocked, the OPD sent riot-equipped forces that set themselves up in a military formation, a “skirmish line,” in OPD terminology. With little or no warning, the police formation charged the picket line with so called non-lethal weapons—beanbags, wooden bullets, tear gas and concussion grenades.

Every on-the-scene report indicates that the police attack was totally unprovoked. Police were seen deliberately running over protesters with their motorcycles and shooting protesters at very close range. Ms. Louise was shot in the face with a wooden bullet as she complied with police commands; another protester was shot nine times with rubber and wooden bullets. Many of the injured protesters were shot in the back, clearly indicating that they were moving away from the police when they were hit, while concussion grenades exploded over their heads.

Although the OPD and the mayor now claim that the demonstrators threw rocks, there is no credible evidence that the police were attacked at all. On the contrary, the protesters were complying with police demands when they were attacked. About 50 protesters and nine dockworkers reported injuries, including large welts and bruises to the back, chest, neck and face. Ten demonstrators went to the hospital.

The members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union shot by the police were standing by at a safe distance, awaiting a determination from the arbitrator. Five ILWU members had to be taken to the hospital, with one member requiring surgery on his thumb. When a business agent of ILWU Local 10 approached OPD officers to complain about the shooting of the workers he was dragged from his car, thrown onto the pavement, handcuffed and arrested. March organizers who demanded to know from the police what laws were being broken were threatened with arrest.

After having chased the demonstrators away, OPD officers intimidated longshore workers into entering the APL and SSA gates without an arbitrator’s ruling. As the OPD rock-throwing claim began to unravel, a spokesman for the police charged the protesters with engaging in an “aggressive stance.”

On other occasions dockworkers have refused to cross picket lines not officially sanctioned by the union. In 1997, in solidarity with striking dockworkers in Liverpool, longshore workers refused to cross a picket line to unload the Neptune Jade ship. Then Democratic Party mayoral candidate Jerry Brown participated in that protest, which successfully forced the Neptune Jade to leave Oakland. Brown also participated in the defense campaign on behalf of those being sued by the Pacific Maritime Association (PMA) over that job action. He now asserts that he won’t tolerate shutdowns at the port.

“Groups were coming to take over the port, all right, now that’s not acceptable,” Brown told Reuters. “Police in the line of fire there reacted in the best way they know how. You’ve got some pretty violent people there, those fellows who put on black masks and picked up big rocks. One guy took a slab of concrete and threw it at one of the officers,” the mayor added. City officials at the scene reported no rock throwing and have contradicted Brown’s allegations. Joel Tena, a staff member for Oakland Vice Mayor Nancy Nadel, said, “I was there from 5 a.m. on, and the only violence that I saw was from the police.’’

APL has a long-standing relationship with the US military. It is part of the Maritime Security Program, which makes privately owned ships available to the US military when needed. In 2002 it received nearly $57 million from the Defense Department. Seattle-base SSA received $2.1 million from the Defense Department last year. The San Francisco Chronicle reports SSA was given a contract to assess the condition of the Umm Qasr port in Iraq and to run it for a year.

The docks are crucial in Washington’s war effort. The White House made clear where it stood last summer when it threatened to call out troops against the ILWU in the event of a strike, claiming that a work stoppage would endanger national security.

The dockers ended up being locked out by the employers’ association, the Pacific Maritime Association (PMA) for 10 days. One of the more intransigent members of the PMA in that dispute was the SSA itself, a notorious antiunion company. President Bush then imposed the Taft-Hartley act, with bipartisan support. The attack on the Oakland protesters is an ominous warning to the antiwar movement that the ruling class is prepared to severely limit and aggressively punish the right to protest, particularly when it involves powerful sections of the working class.

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ScaredForTheFuture
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Orange County, CA,USA
90 posts, Jan 2003

posted 04-11-2003 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScaredForTheFuture     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oakland is a craphole.

>.The right to protest is a FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.>>

And the people in SF were VOMITING and DEFECATING in the streets. Idiots. All of them. Worse than animals. Makes me ashamed to be a Northern CA native.

Dumbasses.

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-11-2003 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be okay if it were DRUNK FOOTBALL FANS right Scared?

Don't like protesters...get out of MY country.

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Fastwalker
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832 posts, Mar 2003

posted 04-11-2003 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are the traitor Mech. You are the one who expresses continuous hatred for America and it's government on a daily basis. Your over 2000 posts leave behind the evidence that confirms my statement. You obviously hate this country so one might wonder why it is that you are still here and do not seek to live somewhere that better suits your ideology.

I say it is you who needs to get the hell out of my country...or at least have the balls to come out and stand behind your views like the protestors in Oakland did....so the police can at least get some target practice with the rubber bullets. (Now that would be fun)...At least you would have some purpose in the world at that point.

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Mech
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Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-11-2003 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No... I LOVE America. That is why I served in the Military for 4 years as an AM in the Navy.
I support and defend THE CONSTITUTION...

Not a criminal cabal controlling this country.

Kiss my 1st Amendment FW.

You can leave when Bush is led out of the Whitehouse in handcuffs.

That will be THIS YEAR.

Pack your stuff.

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Fastwalker
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832 posts, Mar 2003

posted 04-11-2003 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you mean to say is that you support and defend the Saddam regime while attacking your commander in chief. (There is evidence enough in your own statements on this board to back up this statement and prove that is more than mere rhetoric). Most of your comments are those of a traitor Mech...and an indication that you are not a very good judge of character, of good and evil, truths and lies to boot.

I vote in elections. I voted for GW Bush. I take part in the American process. My voice counts whereas yours does not, because you do not vote. You do not take part in the American process. You do not even have a job. You just sit there and leech off the back of Uncle Sam and whining on message boards all day while refusing to do anything about it. The very least you could do is stand by your convictions and go out and get some rubber bullets in the face....It's for the cause maaaaaaan...the support of people's right to commit acts of treason and sedition, over the safety of America and it's armed forces....That’s what you’re all about…right Mech?

As for love of country, I’m going to have to disagree with you here again Mech. I don't see any indication that you love this country. I don't even really believe that you served this country. Sorry to have paid taxes to give an America hater like yourself free room and board, if you did.

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-11-2003 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope...Bush and Saddam are in the same league.

Both are evil.

But...attacking a country that never attacked us is something my dad told me is the wrong thing to do. I still believe that.

i know the history of the Bu$h family and how they are in the back pocket of the globalists and the bilderbergs.

If you aspire to hang with that type of crowd...YOU are just as evil.

PS: I have a great job and in NO WAY do I collect off Uncle $cam, especially with a traitor like LORD Bu$h in the WhiteHouse.

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Fastwalker
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832 posts, Mar 2003

posted 04-11-2003 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nope...Bush and Saddam are in the same league.

Both are evil.


Care to explain (in your own words) how a great man (GW Bush) who has liberated an entire people from the clutches of an evil dictator is the same as that dictator? How have you arrived at the conclusion that Bush is the equivalent of a man who puts living human beings feet first into wood chippers, and watches replays of Satanic tortures on video tape for his personal enjoyment.

You are a completely F'D up sick puppy Mech. You are evil...and this is precisely why, because you cannot differentiate good from evil. You are Saddam's best representative here on this board, trying to draw a moral equivalence between the man who is trying to eliminate evil (Bush) and the monster who is committing that evil (Saddam). You are attempting to draw this idiotic moral equivalence by making the unfounded statement alone, completely unsupported by any fact, evidence or reasoning....It's like saying “Mech rapes and tortures little kids and video tapes it for fun and profit..”

If you find that statement offensive, then you might begin to understand how I feel about your comments regarding GW Bush. My statement was completely baseless....just as yours was.


I do stand by the claim that you are a mouthpiece for evil Mech...and I'm perfectly willing to back that up with reasoning and evidence any time you like.


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