posted 04-10-2003 04:29 PM            

The Constitution of the United States was partly based on the idea that it is the intrinsic nature (or yearning) of mankind to be free. In other words, freedom is not a merely a right given to people of the United States by government, but rather, it is a God given right bestowed upon all human beings…including Iraqis. This was a large philosophical foundation stone upon which the greatest nation the world has ever known, was constructed….this idea that all men (and women) intrinsically desire to be free.

The problem we face now in Iraq is how to teach a whole generation of Iraqis (which has known nothing but oppression at the hands of an evil tyrant) how to be free….Even though it is an intrinsic nature of mankind….maintaining freedom is no easy task…as the United States has come to experience in over 200 years of this great experiment. How to maintain, preserve and defend a new government based upon the inherent yearning of mankind, which is to be free…is indeed a complex problem that even a people who have generations of understanding what it is to be free, have not quite mastered yet….Even though it is the greatest form of government ever devised in the mind of man, ours is still an imperfect government and it is a daily battle to protect it against people who would desire to take freedoms away.

As strange to the American psyche as it may seem, Iraqis may not quite understand this concept of freedom…how to deal with the responsibility of freedom, and how to maintain it. This doesn’t mean they are not capable of understanding, quite the opposite, just that they have no blue-print by which to follow. So how do we teach Iraqis, a whole generation which has known nothing but oppression, how to run their own government based upon the principals of freedom, in a few short months?

I say…export the concept of capitalism…and the rest may follow. Even in socialist countries people seem to understand the concept of capitalism. Even the so-called anarchist, capitalism hating moron, hypocrites here in America who always show up at these anti-corporation, anti-war, anti America rallies, engage in capitalism every day themselves.

Every time they buy any imaginable product, they are participating in capitalism and big business. If they buy toilet paper…they are contributing to big business and capitalism. If they buy tennis shoes or gas for their cars, they are participating in big business and capitalism. Capitalism is part and parcel of our culture, and I would argue that even the most oppressed citizens of the most oppressed counties instinctively understand capitalism because they engage in it on the most fundamental levels. If they have ever traded or bartered one item for another…then they understand capitalism. Those who sell goods at markets understand the concept of selling something at a higher price than which it was obtained…(In other words…taking a profit.)

So how do we get Iraqis understanding and maintaining a free government? Well….get them working for and operating small businesses. Get them employed….by other Iraqis. And what might those first businesses be? Well…oil related, of course! This is a country with unimaginable natural wealth in the form of black gold. There is not a better industry in which to engage in capitalism and enrichment for themselves.

posted 04-10-2003 04:42 PM            

CORPORATE MARTIAL LAW.

Make em' bust their ass for Haliburton, Mc Donalds, General Motors, DuPOnt, etc.

We should make them live under The PAtriot Act too.

Let them get a taste of Corporate fuedalism ...they were already used to despotic feudalism.

Let the IRAQI's DECIDE!! NOT THE OILigarchs...NOT the U.S. CHOSEN PUPPETS.

"Capitalism is the ultimate form of Communism"....

XIANG XIAMINN--Chinese Premire

posted 04-10-2003 04:56 PM            

Look to Japan and S. Korea Mech, or any successfully liberated country and you will find that at the heart of it's success lies the principal of capitalism.

You are proposing EXACTLY the thing that would likely not work, because, as I explained to you, but which you ignored, Iraqis have no memory on which to form a democratic government. We are going to have to show them the way because left to their own vices, they would likely place another corrupt dictator in power...having no memory of any other type of government.

You are certainly not the person to go to for advise on the reformation of government Mech, because if you had your way, the Butcher of Baghdad would still be in power.

You have no understanding of what makes America great....You don't even believe it is great, given your over 2000 posts of bile and hatred for this country...

posted 04-10-2003 05:06 PM            

Anarchism can't work with more than a small handfull of people. Leftist? NO.

CENTRIST/CONSTITUTIONALIST...YES.

I'm not against capitalism.

I'm against state sponsored corporate FUEDALISM. Which is basically what the United States is suffering under...for many years.

The gap between rich and poor is growing and growing.

Iraq will be a U.S. Client state.

plenty of cheap..exploitable labor for the globalists to use.

posted 04-10-2003 05:48 PM            

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Leftist / anarchist? NO.

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You say you are not...but your words and thoughts say you are.

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Anarchism can't work with more than a small handfull of people. Leftist? NO.

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You say you are not a leftist, yet you sure support all their ideology and propaganda.

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CENTRIST/CONSTITUTIONALIST...YES.

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I don't think so. You haven't demonstrated that you have even the slightest understand of the great philosophical ideas upon which the constitution was founded...Such as the desire for freedom behind the inherent nature of man.

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I'm not against capitalism.

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Obviously...your commentary flies in the face of this denial. Every comment you make, quite clearly demonstrates that you are against capitalism .

Here is your last quote, given that you so quickly have forgotten what you just wrote;

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Ah yes...
CORPORATE MARTIAL LAW.

Make em' bust their ass for Haliburton, Mc Donalds, General Motors, DuPOnt, etc.

We should make them live under The PAtriot Act too.

Let them get a taste of Corporate fuedalism ...they were already used to despotic feudalism.

Let the IRAQI's DECIDE!! NOT THE OILigarchs...NOT the U.S. CHOSEN PUPPETS.

"Capitalism is the ultimate form of Communism"....

XIANG XIAMINN--Chinese Premire

BENITO MUSSOLINI - "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."

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I certainly don't see anything in that commentary that says you believe in capitalism...or even understand it.

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I'm against state sponsored corporate FUEDALISM. Which is basically what the United States is suffering under...for many years.

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Irrelevent comment...not to mention untrue for the most part. America's economy is based largely upon small privately and publically owned businesses and corporations for which the government is mostly an impedement rather than a benefit.

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The gap between rich and poor is growing and growing.

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The "poor" in America are richer than every other country on earth. By Iraqi standards, the "poor" in this country would be considered very rich....(thanks to a capitalist society, by the way). Your commentary is false anyway. The very rich are only a small minority, and the middle class makes up the largest segment of Americans. If there is a large gap, it's due to the extreme incomes of certain individuals like Bill Gates...but statistically speaking, the average American would be considered very wealthy by the standards of most third world countries. And even better, each and every American has the potential of becoming very wealthy. Only determination and innovation stands betweens the average American and the next Bill Gates…

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Iraq will be a U.S. Client state.

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What...are you the all-seeing Mech, now? Did you look into your little crystal ball to give us this tid-bit. What the hell does this mean anyway? Iraq will sell it's oil on the world market which is largely consumed by European countries. Profits will go to the Iraqi people through the process of capitalism (if we structure the government correctly). In this definition, a client state is a very good thing. America used to be more of a client state (by this definition) because we used to manufacture most of our goods for export. We were the world's client...but now we have become a consumer country rather than a producer of goods....If Iraq is providing a product to the world, and that is what you consider being a "client"...then this is a very healthy scenario. I wouldn’t define it a client however…more of a producer than a client.

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plenty of cheap..exploitable labor for the globalists to use.

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Yet another moronic comment. If Iraqis are producing the product, and setting the price of that product on the world markets, Iraqis are producing wealth for themselves through a process known as capitalism. This is what businesses do Mech. This is exactly what I mean when I say that you do not seem to understand basic concepts of capitalism.

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I expect to see some U.S. jobs migrate there shortly after a puppet government is established

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posted 05-21-2003 11:12 PM            

Iraqis exact revenge on Saddam's regime

Former Baath Party officials killed in systematic assassinations

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Posted: May 20, 2003
1:25 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Liberated Iraqi citizens are taking matters into their own hands and have begun assassinating former ruling Baath Party officials, reports the Washington Post.

The killings of mid-level government functionaries and Baathist icons, according to the Post, appear to have increased following the U.S. decree last Friday that prohibits senior party officials from holding positions in the top three tiers of Iraq's postwar government.

In one example, the singer Daoud Qais, known for his odes to Hussein, was shot dead on Saturday along with the president of the Iraqi Artists Union.

Ironically, a senior U.S. official described the decree as intended to "drive a stake through [the Baath Party's] heart." Iraqis, who feel the coalition isn't doing enough to punish their tormenters of three decades, appear to be taking the order literally and are using lists looted from Iraq's bombed-out government buildings to pick their targets.

"We want the Americans to kill them, but we don't think they are going to," the Post quotes Muntathar Mohammed, a 40-year-old unemployed Sadr City resident, as saying. "Why can Americans kill anyone they want? Why can't we? I will kill Baathists myself. This is my right."

Citing anecdotal evidence provided by former exile groups and Iraqis familiar with some of the killings, the Post estimates the number killed could reach several hundred in Baghdad alone.

Entifadh Qanbar, a spokesman for the Iraqi National Congress, an exile-led opposition group, said he had heard hundreds of former party officials have been killed in Sadr City since the end of the war.

According to the Post, the Mohsin Mosque is the focal point for Sadr City's Jamila district. The mosque was closed by Saddam Hussein four years ago and reopened the day U.S. troops arrived.

Last Friday a visiting cleric from Najaf incited worshipers to kill Baath Party members who don't leave office voluntarily after a certain a period of time. Two members were subsequently gunned down near where the cleric spoke. Shiite cleric Sayd Hasan Naji, one of the mosque's most influential leaders, now implores worshipers to cease the aggression.

Other revenge killings have been reported in the cities of Najaf, Karbala and Basra in the Shiite-dominated center and south of the country. This was the scene of a bloody rebellion in 1991 that was quashed by the Sunni-controlled Baath government.

posted 05-22-2003 01:46 AM            

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originally posted by FastWalker:
The "poor" in America are richer than every other country on earth.

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posted 05-22-2003 08:30 AM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
it's the truth blow horner...

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Youse guys sounds like specialists
in Marshall Arts.

It's the trooth alright!

posted 05-22-2003 02:42 PM            

I'm still waiting for you to tell me more about these spray planes of yours ?

posted 05-23-2003 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by ChemCaptain:
Hornblower has sprayplanes? You know I'm not sure you are allowed to use chemical spraying aircraft for just anything privately.

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posted 05-23-2003 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by ChemCaptain:
Well, spraying is publically effected.. Just make sure you are over fields and not residences!

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No Problem, ChemCaptain!