posted 05-03-2003 10:51 PM            

I'll bet you 10 to 1 many of those Sailors don't give a rats @$$ about Bush..in fact..I'll bet MANY of them know what he's REALLY about.

Why should Bush be impeached? Well for starters, signing the treasonous, unconstitutional PATRIOT ACT and betraying his OATH.

* Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret
and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of
prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents
elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments
to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

* Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign
governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media
and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public
discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain
weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to
U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

* Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering
indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without
opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the
discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

* Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens
who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official,
prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

* Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have
been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in
response to Congressional inquiry.

* Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right
to public trials.

*Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the
government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not
been charged with a crime.

*Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to
hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary
designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."(loosely defined)

*Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by
federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and
political activity.

*Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional
right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

* Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of
the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without
consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the
United States and Russia, and recission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

GUILTY

posted 05-03-2003 11:40 PM            

there's no case...

BUSH IS THE MAN !

great celebration pic...

posted 05-04-2003 12:04 AM            

Don't kid yourself.

PS: Your Flag waving Psychological bullshit won't work on me like your average FOX news viewer.

Patriotism goes WAY beyond that.

Bush pisses on everything the flag stands for.

posted 05-04-2003 03:57 AM            

May 03, 2003

Poll: Bush Widens Lead Against Opponents
By The Associated Press
ASSOCIATED PRESS

President Bush is far ahead of the three most popular Democrats in head-to-head matchups, even though the public has concerns about his economic leadership and his empathy for ordinary people, according to a poll released Saturday.

Bush leads Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman and Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt by almost identical margins in the three matchups. The president gets the support of six in 10 while the Democratic candidate gets the support of just over a third, according to an ABC News-Washington Post national poll.

When Democrats and those who lean Democratic were asked who they preferred to be their nominee, 29 percent said Lieberman, 19 percent chose Gephardt and 14 percent picked Kerry.

The others were in single digits. Former Illinois Sen. Carol Moseley Braun had 6 percent, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards 4 percent, Al Sharpton 3 percent, Florida Sen. Bob Graham 3 percent, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean 3 percent, and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich 2 percent.

The poll indicated a possible opening for Democrats because half of those polled said the economy was worse now than when the president took office. Nearly half said he doesn't understand the problems of average people.

But for now, Bush's overwhelming support on national security and homeland security appeared to trump those concerns.

Recent state polls of the Democratic race have shown Gephardt ahead in Iowa, Lieberman ahead in South Carolina and Kerry ahead in New Hampshire. A new Mason-Dixon poll of New Hampshire voters taken April 23-26 gave Kerry the lead with 28 percent, with Dean at 21 percent, Lieberman at 14 percent and Gephardt at 11 percent. Other candidates were in the low single digits and 23 percent were undecided. The New Hampshire poll of 327 likely Democratic primary voters had an error margin of plus or minus 5.5 percentage points.

The ABC-Post poll of 1,105 adults was taken April 27-30 and has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points, larger for subgroups like Democrats.

posted 05-04-2003 04:47 AM            

Again we disagree Mech,

Grounds for impeachment yes.
Treason? No.

THE CONSTITUTION OF
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Article. II.
Section. 1.
(clause 8)
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Article. II.
Section. 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Article. III.
Section. 3. Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Article. V.
... Amendments to this Constitution,... shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution,

(the following parts of (amendments to) the U S Constitution are specifically violated by the 'USA Patriot Act's provisions- signed into 'law' by George W Bush; in clear violation of his oath of office)

Amendment. I.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment. IV.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment. V.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
(The confiscation of private property under the actions of the "War on Drugs" is most often done by accusation, with no court action preceeding such illegal confiscation as is specifically required by the 5th amendment's "due process of law" eg: conviction of crime first then action to seize property follows is due process.)
Amendment. VI.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
(Aschroft's Justice Dept has admitted to detaining over one thousand persons since 9/11/01, without access to counsel, without being able to call their families, without being charged with any crime)
Plentitude of grounds for impeachment, even though W doesn't have sex in the white House.

posted 05-04-2003 05:20 AM            

Mech,
Remember those who've been exposed to subliminals for years, may not be forming their own independent thoughts.

eg->PS: Your Flag waving Psychological bullshit won't work on me like your average FOX news viewer.<

FAUX/CNN/NBC et al have been at that Psychological bullshit for a long time.

It's expecially effective when the subliminals reinforce pre conceived predjudices:

Do a search for:

cnnghost.jpg

to find (at numerous sites)an example of a subliminal added by CNN techies that got captured on videotape.

and let us never forget the infamous
(Bush got caught)
"DemocRATS" subliminal ad
search for:
"subliminal democRATS ad"
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/gopad0000912.html http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/13/bush.ad/

It's a case of "the emperor's new clothes"
herd mentality that Germany experienced in the 30's and 40's.

Anyone can quit watching TV for a month or so and begin again to think for themselves
or learn to recognize the editorializing within "news" articles.

Except those who "want to believe" despite all evidence.

BTW
Thanks for the pics of herr Bush guys.

I've printed copies on a wanted poster to help in my search for:

$7,000.00 reward!
For anyone who can provide evidence that
George W Bush served in the Alabama National Guard.

posted 05-04-2003 09:03 AM            

Do you think Bu$h should go to Courtmartial for him being AWOL?

Do you think he should be immune from the UCMJ?

posted 05-04-2003 11:13 AM            

BUSH IS THE MAN !

posted 05-04-2003 06:47 PM            

the bush admin is and has been cracking down on big corps and NOW they have to put up honest numbers to stay out of jail...and in business...

and THAT is hurting the economy...8 years of lies can't be fixed in a couple of years...

the people need their money back the gov needs to stop spending it...it's not their money...it belongs to the people...

posted 05-04-2003 09:53 PM            

Clinton served as (elected) President from Jan 1993 to Jan 2001.

Which crash are you falsely seeking to blame on President Clinton?

Got yer lies confused as usual...

posted 05-04-2003 10:03 PM            

Do you think he should be immune from the UCMJ?
<

Less than 30 days is AWOL/
more than 30 days is desertion!

http://www.jamesglaser.org/2002/p20021106.html
>All of the stories and the personal testomony by Bush's commanding officers tell the same story. George Bush signed up for military duty in the National Guard in a time of war and he deserted his unit. Desertion, probably the greatest of offenses that one can commit while in the Armed Forces, has no "statute of limitation" and President Bush could be charged today and sent to prison.< http://www.awolbush.com http://www.interventionmag.com

During my search for an AL guard member who served with W:
A loyal "Parody" member told me that "
Carter pardoned deserters anyway; so quit picking on Bush."

Carter's Nam Pardon did not include Deserters
http://www.awolbush.com/
For more neat links about Bush, see: http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/Corporate.htm#Bush http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/vietnam/vietnam_1-21-77.html
>Meanwhile, many in amnesty groups say that Carter's pardon did too little. They pointed out that the president did not include deserters -- those who served (during)in the war and left before their tour was completed -- <

Carter's Nam Pardon did not include Deserters

posted 05-04-2003 10:23 PM            

which president touted the information age ?

I've warned you shitoga to NOT drink while behind the keys...makes you look foolish ignorant and extremely bitter about having a repub in the whitehouse...

The statistics coming off the crash in dot com stocks are adding up to a bleak picture. This week I read an editorial in Electronic News by managing editor Peter Brown that presented some disturbing numbers. According to Reuters Media, a total of 100,000 jobs have vanished from the Internet economy since December, 1999. A full 50,000 of those jobs have disappeared since February. In three bloody months, the dot com damage has doubled. In April, 55 dot com companies shut their doors, which is up from the March total of 44. Since January of last year, 435 Internet-based companies have folded. More than half of these closures occurred this year alone.

when did this happen shitoga ?

oh yeah...when the recession started...on clinton's final couple of years...and instead of trying to help the people...he was hangin'out with jews and palestinians in a futile cause...whoopse he was working on pardoning cocaine dealers,the extremely rich, kickin' back money to his bro...and soliciting funds for that precious library...

posted 05-04-2003 10:35 PM            

http://www.lowrisk.com/crash/
>"Stocks Plunge 508 Amid Panicky Selling; Percentage Decline Greater Than in 1929"
- Wall Street Journal, 10/20/87, the day after the '87 Crash - just 8 weeks after the top< http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october97/crash_10-27.html
>That crash in 1987, although fewer points still marked the single biggest drop in value in the stock market's history. In a single day approximately $1 trillion dollars invested in the stock market evaporated. October 19, 1987, Black Monday to most financiers, saw the single largest point drop in the history of Wall Street, 508 points or 22.6 percent of its total value.
"I knew that in the past that these financial panics had often triggered far worse consequences," PaineWebber investment strategist Mary Farrell told CNNFN. "I was actually less concerned about the market than the potential for collapse of the world financial system." < http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0913/p6s1-wogn.html
World
from the September 13, 2001 edition
>In one respect, the 1929 stock market crash that triggered the Great Depression - much less the more recent crash of 1987 -can't be compared to the damage caused by Tuesday's attack.
"From a historical perspective, Black Monday was just a balance-sheet issue, but this is a collapse at the heart and core of international transactions,"...< http://www.spiritoftruth.org/extreme.htm
>DOW 10,000 & SEPTEMBER 11th
After climbing to a high some three percent above 10,000 in the first couple of weeks of the new year, last Friday the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed back below this psychologically important level and now stock prices are accelerating downward. With yesterday's 200+ point sell-off, the DJIA reached a parallel position to early-September of 2001, JUST BEFORE THE TERROR OF 9-11-01 OCCURRED.
<

As far as the treason charge..I'm doubtful but here is a typical compiliation by people who believe it is a valid charge against our dear dubya: http://www.drugwar.com/cv42.shtm
>The Case for Bush Administration Advance Knowledge of 9-11 Attacks
by Michael C. Ruppert
© COPYRIGHT 2002, Michael C. Ruppert and FTW Publications, www.copvcia.com
all rights reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on web sites for non-profit purposes only.
April 22, 2002, 1200 PDT
(FTW) -- A dispassionate examination of existing reliable, open-source evidence on advance warnings of the Sept. 11 attacks provides strong and sustainable grounds to conclude the Bush Administration was in possession of sufficient advance intelligence to have prevented the attacks, had it wished to do so. With a known intelligence budget of approximately $30 billion, it must be assumed there are classified files that only add to the weight of the available data presented here. Is it reasonable to assume that what is presented here is the only intelligence the U.S. possessed?
This article will focus on four primary areas where the U.S. had information that forewarned of the attacks in sufficient detail to have prompted their prevention. Those areas are: Documented warnings received by the United States Government (USG) from foreign intelligence services; Obvious and large scale insider stock trading in the days before the attacks; Known intelligence successes achieved by the USG in its penetrations of Al Qaeda; and, the case of Delmart “Mike” Vreeland, a U.S. Naval intelligence officer jailed in Canada at the request of U.S. authorities, who -- with his attorneys -- spent months attempting to warn USG and Canadian intelligence officials of the pending attacks, only to be rebuffed and ignored.
This article will not focus on a number of well-known and documented instances where the Bush Administration actively interfered with or curtailed investigations into Al Qaeda-linked groups that could have provided even more intelligence. Included in this category are reports by the BBC’s Gregg Palast, the French book “The Forbidden Truth,” and a lawsuit/OPR complaint filed by an active FBI agent alleging investigations that could have prevented the attacks were derailed by superiors, in some cases on orders from the White House.
<

Point- enabling the 9/11 attacks
may have been
"giving aid and comfort to the enemy"

Personally I think Bush et-al are the enemy-

posted 05-05-2003 10:31 AM            

This is a note to parents. You could consider it a warning, but it's really just a congratulatory note, reminding you what you have done to your children, by not paying sufficient attention to the world around you.

I myself receive many notes from people telling me they can't watch the TV news anymore. It's just too depressing. And confusing. I also especially get this in conversations with many people I consider less politically aware than myself. They know something is wrong with the newspapers, or the stories they hear on the boob tube, but they just don't have time to analyze their own confusion and sort out the wheat from the chaff. It all sounds so much alike, one false claim after another, and besides, who has the time?

And even if we did have the time, what could we " as ordinary individual citizens " actually do about such doubts. Amid all this flag waving and these terror alerts, who would listen?

There are more important things to do, aren't there?

I mean, so what if children are being blown to bits for reasons that are lies in some faraway country! Life must go on, and we don't have to hear about that, do we? As long as we're not forced to see the photographs, a few deaths over some abstract political debate don't really bother us. It's not our problem. Hey, we have a problem with a neighbor's renegade dog that is far more important to us.

I mean, so what if the corrupt and insincere thugs who run for public office have done away with all the laws that made our country a free society. It hasn't really affected our lives, has it? We still have our bills to pay, our obligations to meet, our kids to get to school. So what if the cops can now come into your house without ever telling you? How does that affect us? We obey the law and have nothing to worry about, right? No big deal.

I mean, we have our lives to live, and if the elite billionaires who dominate all our public institutions want to create situations that simply make more money for themselves, what has that to do with us? We still have our jobs (maybe), our friends (if they actually are our friends), clothes to iron, school pictures to pay for, school board meetings to attend, church charity drives to contribute to ... the minutiae of one's life, particularly if there are kids to be considered, are just endless, and in our drive to get the best of what we want for our offspring, we have to focus on the here and now, in our immediate neighborhoods, to make sure they fulfill their obligations and get the best of what is available to set up their futures, right?

News from some far off land, or partisan ravings from some disgruntled political observer really don't fit into the pragmatic schedules we set for ourselves. And we must stay focused on those, lest our whole lives suddenly veer off course. After all, abstract political arguments don't pay for four years of college. Or braces.

Yet, there are moments, often when our kids are asleep, when we wonder why and what we are doing all this for, all this running around, all this planning and execution of trivial details. Often at these times we often wonder what we ourselves are doing, and what our kids are actually learning. Who will they turn out to be?

And when we really think about those things, sometimes the epiphanies that seize us are shocking indeed.

Consider what kids are learning today by observing the current public dialogue.

Growing up in America today, our president and our leaders are teaching our children that it's OK to kill someone if you suspect them of harboring ideas that the United States of America is committing crimes in other countries. No more of this right-to-a-fair-trial, innocent-until-proven-guilty crap. Just kill them if you suspect them of opposing American ideas. Just blow up their countries and kill whomever you like. If you have the weaponry, you really don't need a reason. Might surely makes right. That's the new reality. Just listen to all the new presidential candidates. That's what virtually all of them are saying.

And that's what are kids are learning today, plus the finest people in our communities " the judges and doctors and lawyers " are all in agreement that this is the way we should be behaving. So show your flag and get with the program. It's how you'll get ahead. America committing crimes against other countries? How absurd. We would have heard about it on TV if it happened.

Hey, it's what the American government has done, is doing, will continue to do. If the American government says someone is a terrorist, well hell, they are a terrorist, and they can be put in jail forever with no trial, no lawyer, no appeal, no visitors, and never get out. They can even be put to death by a 2-1 vote in a military tribunal. None of this appeal crap, where convicted killers can hang onto life for years with tricky legal maneuvers. Just kill them. Get it over with.

President Bush recently showed us how people on Death Row should be treated, when during a radio interview, he ridiculed a woman who had been condemned for participating in a long-ago crime that had resulted in a killing. "Please don't kill me," Bush squeaked in a falsetto voice, mocking Karla Faye Tucker, who had become a prominent Christian advocate during her many years in jail.

Some people, even some Christian Republicans, criticized the president for behaving so heartlessly, but hey, that's the way it is now. The president was simply showing our kids how they should behave. You're either for us or against us. If you're against, you know what you'll get. Clarity is a good thing.

That's the way it is now, our kids our learning. We shouldn't have compassion for those who have reformed. If they're convicted, we must punish them. Just kill them, and don't think about what they might have become. It's not relevant. Just kill them.

The same with those blown-up kids in Iraq, especially that boy, Ali, who lost not only his whole family but also his arms.

What do they matter? Iraq is far away and we have our lives to live right here. It doesn't matter that our president used lies to justify the invasion of a nation with a pathetic army. They have oil we want. We have power. It's the law of the jungle. We have the right to go and take it. It's just being realistic. It's the way the world is.

That's what we're teaching our children. If you wave the flag and have enough money to operate in the "right" circles, you can steal anything you want (because you can buy a judge to get you off if somebody tries to catch you), or kill anybody you want, regardless of what they might have done. Life is now all image, and you can get away with absolutely anything if you have the right connections. Do something wrong if you like; then just shape the image to make it appear right. In this day and age, that's all that counts.

Long ago, my father told me this is the way the world is. I refused to believe him, and as a result have no valuable possessions in this world except a rather large and cherished circle of noble friends, most of whom are just as poor as I am.

How we view the world all comes down to money, is what my dad said. That's why politicians go corrupt, why people betray their friends, why real stories of what's happening in the world are not shown on TV.

What most people don't realize is who they are and what they do actually is reflected in the world at large. Since a large majority feels they are powerless and have no influence over events in the larger geopolitical sphere, this is exactly the case: they are powerless and have no influence.

Take 9/11. For more than a year, no one has dared to speak about the embarrassing fact that the official pronouncements on those tragic events that took place do not add up. Wars and laws that were planned BEFORE that sad day were blamed ON those horrid events. But it has not been politically correct to ask those questions. To do so has been considered unpatriotic in this time of national emergency, this War on Terror. But what if the official version WAS a lie? How does that affect us? Do you think more of these things will happen if we fail to catch the grand manipulators in their lies?

And does that matter? Heck, life goes on. All the old sayings are relevant. Go along to get along. You can't fight City Hall. All the noble philosophy in the world doesn't mean a thing when your belly isn't full.

So we are raising a generation of kids to whom morality and fairness, as well and truth and honor, are no longer important. They are inconvenient distractions in the lifelong drive toward the acquisition of material wealth. Philosophy is now a superflous exercise; what really counts is connections. Allegiances to friends and causes are hopelessly out-of-date and quaint but useless relics of a bygone era of civilization.

Now all that counts is leeching onto those in power and getting what one can in the great ripoff that is always taking place " this is what our kids are really learning in school, and the future we can all look forward to.

I am reminded of those long-ago stories about Nazi Germany, when little kids were forced to wear junior SS uniforms and report to authorities on the political activities of their own parents. So what if their parents were taken away: the kids were serving the greater good of the state, and besides, they got extra rations of chocolate to go with their lessons about the glories of the Homeland. More recently, these stories have manifested as incidents of kids who had been put through school-sponsored drug awareness seminars who turned in their own parents for smoking pot, and other affronts to fascist civilization.

So, the lesson is - in these times when people ignore what's going on around them, when the greater human values of compassion and understanding have been buried by widespread media conditioning that truth and justice no longer matter, but only adherence to officially approved norms deserve our allegiance - that you better get a grip on what you've done by not paying attention to what has been going on in the world.

The lesson is this: Don't turn your back on your own kids. If they have been absorbing the facile rhetoric they hear every day on TV and beneath the fluttering flags of their own schools, you may no longer know who they really are, or, on this sad day in Nazi America, what they have become.



John Kaminski is the author of "America's Autopsy Report," a collection of essays soon to be published by Dandelion Books.

Disclaimer

posted 05-06-2003 05:06 AM            

>...Bush ,Clinton,Bush,and the next Clinton,after this Bush.Is there any real difference?...<

Are you assuming that Clinton signed the Patriot Act & suspended our Constitution & Bill of Rights?
How does getting a Falwell from Monica compare with suspending the US Constitution?

Is there any real difference?
Bush has done far far worse than even the most paranoid rightwingnut ever feared Clinton might do;
& you ask is there any real difference.

(*Clinton signed several Executive Orders ordering "all agencies of the Executive Branch to obey the U S Constitution in all actions and in all regulation")
After the Waco debacle
* search NARA for Executive Orders
A lot of good it did:
"There is a government within the government,
and I am not in charge."-President Bill Clinton (at a DNC fundraiser in NYC/1996)

*Like $eeker says. Why clutter up with cut and pastes

Everyone can read all Recent Executive Orders online (except the ones W has classified that is)
to see the vast difference between
Clinton and the Bushes.

posted 05-07-2003 03:14 PM            

"If you're gonna sell out; might as well sell out to the highest bidder."
Barry (campaign organizing meeting 1972-personal recall)

Both sides are corrupt...it's only a matter of scale.

Byron Dorgan(D)or Ron Paul(R)
or
'none of the above' is my most sincere recommendation.

The rest of 'em are on the take.