posted 05-12-2003 04:36 AM            

Free thinker replies:
Why would I support Bush who is an evil, murderous, traitorous, sleezeball, bastard son of a bitch who should be hanged by the gonads till dead for his crimes against humanity?....
And who suspended the US Constitution to the delight of his minions and the disgust of real Americans.

Always gratified that so much time and effort is expended to counter the simple truths posted by Mech and the troll bashing comments posted by myself.
May you all someday come to love your country like we do.

Zieg...troll team will continue to do the heiling

(See "Web of Deceit" to understand fully why these idiots post insults and innuendo in a pathetic attempt to hide the truth.
Jobs ARE hard to find in the bush depression.

posted 05-12-2003 06:19 AM            

I really wonder how liberals can be so stupid and corrupt....and really just the vile human beings that they are. Let's look at one statement as an example..."The Bush Depression"?

Can anyone really be so stupid as to believe that we are in a depression? Last time I checked, we aren't even in a recession. Economic growth is slow, but the economy is still GROWING...This is not a recession or depression. And have you seen the stock market lately? It has been in a solid trend upwards. Funny how liberals like to define the economy by the stock market only when it serves their interest. Now when the stock market is shooting up, we define it by job growth. Well....where do liberals create jobs? If the most unpopular governor in US history, California Democrat, Gray out Davis is any indication, the only jobs liberals create are useless, incompetent and inefficient GOVERNMENT jobs in a thousand new bureaucracies...But let's talk about how real jobs are created...

Well real jobs are created when businesses hire people. Businesses hire people when the demand for their product or service increases, causing them to expand. Businesses can expand when they have more cash in their pockets and less red tape they've got to put up with from the government intrusion. Well how do we increase cash in the pockets of businesses and the consumer who buys the product or service of a business? The most efficient way in the world is to LET THE PEOPLE WHO EARN THE MONEY KEEP MORE OF WHAT THEY EARN!!!! YOU IDIOT!!! In other words, we need to give everyone who earns an income, a tax cut. That immediately puts REAL cash money in my back pockets and yours. And with that extra money, we go out and purchase products and services, and businesses increase their sales and have more money to expand and pay their employees...and when businesses expand, they create jobs...

But who is standing in the way of Bush's tax cut??? THE VERY SAME LIBERAL IDIOTS WHO ARE MAKING STATEMENTS LIKE "BUSH DEPRESSION"!!! THE VERY SAME LIBERAL IDIOTS WHO ARE BLAMING THE EFFECTS OF 9/11 ON BUSH ECONOMIC POLICIES!!!

posted 05-12-2003 01:40 PM            

[Economic growth is slow, but the economy is still GROWING...This is not a recession or depression.]

posted 05-12-2003 03:46 PM            

what a joke...

Now that the war is winding down, 64% of economists surveyed this month expect growth to accelerate. But 19% said growth will continue to be restrained by the reluctance of consumers and businesses to spend, geopolitical uncertainties outside Iraq and the hangover from the bubble years.

posted 05-12-2003 05:08 PM            

AWOL = Bu$h

All of this BIG GOVERNMENT @$$ KISSING makes me wanna'

huhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

posted 05-12-2003 05:12 PM            

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We're experiencing the worst period of economic growth in 60 years.

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First off....I do believe this is inaccurate, but that's besides the point. Will you answer a few questions honestly Molliani?

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Since Bush took office - 190,000 people from the state of Illinois have lost their jobs.

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Obviously, you are trying to somehow imply Bush had something to do with this job loss (assuming your numbers are accurate). Tell me then, what Bush policies are you attributing this job loss. What economic factors are involved in this job loss, and is it related to anything Bush has or hasn't done? Is it related to industry affected by the 9-11 attacks? Be specific. Can you tell me how you think Bush has caused this job loss, as you imply?

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The credit for this dismal state of the economy goes to both parties and their
'Pinocchio Policies'.

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I maintain that the credit for this current economy is directly attributable to Clinton policies, including the 9/11 attacks which resulted from Clinton's intentional degradation of our intelligence apparatus and national security capability. I can easily show that the first signs of economic slide began in the 4th quarter before Clinton left office, and well before Bush's first economic policies ever took effect. Then came 9/11. Unless you blame Bush for 9/11, tell me Molliani, what Bush policies are you attributing to the current economic situation?

What is your proposed solution, and how is Bush’s proposed solution wrong in your view. What about tax cuts? If the tax cut package that Bush is currently promoting is enacted, do you agree that it will stimulate the economy, if passed in its current form? If so, do you agree that the liberal Democrats are attempting to block this tax cut?

Obviously, if the tax cut would truly work to make the economy worse, then the Democrats would be for it...Wouldn't you agree? I mean, they realize that if Bush's tax cut in it's current form would really work to hurt the economy, it would hurt Bush's chances for re-election, and increase their chances of re-gaining power. They’d be for it in that case. Obviously, their real fear is that the tax cut WOULD work to stimulate the economy. That's obviously why they are obstructing it. Wouldn't you agree then, given the facts and current events, that Democrats are the ones preventing economic recovery because they are actively acting as obstructionists to the very Bush policies that would indeed stimulate the economy?

posted 05-12-2003 05:21 PM            

I see it all the time.

I don't like KLinton either, BUT...

If you study history, The ELITE (globalists) are the ones who DELIBERATELY cause economic stagnation, "depressions", "Recessions" and for that matter...WARS.

Bu$hy and Klintoon are just variations on the same theme...CORRUPTION.

Want someone to blame? Blame the globalists and things like NAFTA, GATT, MAI, the international banks, IMF, world bank etc.

Both Klintoon and Bu$h work 100% in favor of all the above.

that's why I see very little difference.

Bu$h is just an AWOL numb nut who got buttered and squirted through Yale due to his connections to the Bush dynasty.

Privelage props up privelage.

posted 05-12-2003 06:26 PM            

ASKED ME !

posted 05-12-2003 06:27 PM            

*Note the sign in the background.*

100% pure propaganda.

It should say..

"Helping the globalists destroy America"

posted 05-12-2003 08:06 PM            

quote:

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and if a wanted to hear from an asshole, I would've...well, you know.

ASKED ME !

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posted 05-13-2003 03:39 AM            

Maytag - make it in the USA or the USA
won't make it

Union president calls for Maytag boycott

May 8, 2003

By DAVID HOTLE
of The Register-Mail

NEWTON, Iowa - International Association of Machinists & Aerospace Workers International President Tom Buffenbarger called for a boycott of Maytag products during a rally this morning at the site of the annual Maytag stockholders meeting.

As the rally began, it was learned Maytag directors and stockholders would enter the Sodexho Marriott Conference Center through a back door, out of the protesters' sight.

The rally was organized to protest Maytag's decision last October to close the company's Galesburg Refrigeration Products plant by the end of 2004 and open a new refrigerator factory in Reynosa, Mexico. The company said Galesburg jobs will be lost.

Buffenbarger likened the transfer of American jobs to Mexico to terrorism and referred to Maytag as "the American Taliban."

"The fight begins today and we will take the fight every place in America," he said.

As the sun rose over the Iowa town that serves as the corporate headquarters for Maytag, about 150 people from Galesburg, Maytag workers and their supporters, gathered in an adjoining municipal parking lot to inform Maytag stockholders of the consequences of the decision to close the plant.

"The purpose is to put out the information that we believe Maytag has made a poor decision," said Aaron Kemp, a seven-year Maytag employee who is a safety standards representative for the IAM Local 2063. "We believe people need to hear what is going on."

The back of a pickup truck served as an improvised stage for speakers. A banner with an American flag and the slogan "Maytag: Make it in the USA or the USA won't make it" flew over the truck. Speakers expected at the rally included Illinois Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn and Galesburg Mayor Bob Sheehan. Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, U.S. Sen. Tom Harkin and Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich were invited, but not expected to attend.

"We want to say that corporate greed has got to stop here," said IAM Local 2063 Past President Don LeFebvre. "Without jobs, this country cannot continue to exist."

As union pickets assembled, many carried U.S. flags, as well as signs calling for U.S. jobs to remain in the U.S. Signs proclaimed such things as "Mexitag: 58 cents an hour, inquire within," and "It's about people, not money."

George Carney, a 20-year Maytag employee, said he believes the Galesburg Maytag jobs cannot be saved, but he would like other American jobs to continue.

"I don't think there is much hope for the Galesburg plant, but I want to keep jobs in America," he said. "If we don't stop this, every job along the Maytag line is doomed."

Knox College Professor Chad Broughton and 13 of his sociology students joined the rally as part of a class project to study the impact of the plant closing on Galesburg.

"We want to show our support for the Maytag workers," Broughton said. "They live in the same community we do."

posted 05-13-2003 03:56 AM            

DDT
Gill net kills
fought so hard to stop it all for years
sweatshop kids in Nike town
globalize means downsize

NAFT-TA GATT-TCHA
Every time we buy

NAFT-TA GATT-TCHA
We are their Serfs

Forced loans from world bank
soon your country is sank
no food or medicine
just highways to knowhere
peasant revolts arise
like little pesky flies
we swat em down
pull off their legs
one by one

ya ha ha
ho ho ho
shipped your job to Mexico
but we got plans for you to retrain

posted 05-13-2003 05:06 AM            

THE BIG LIE OF NAFTA

Maytag plant closing will crush regional economy
         
Galesburg, IL - When Maytag shifts its refrigerator production from Galesburg, IL to Reynosa, Mexico, the effects will be felt throughout the local and regional economy.

A study by the Rural Economic Technical Assistance Center (RETAC) found that there will be 3,600 to 5,600 fewer jobs in the region after Maytag closes.  That includes the 1,600 IAM members who will lose their jobs at Maytag. 

"When a company like Maytag abandons a community like Galesburg and moves to Mexico, the collateral damage is far greater than many people realize," said Midwest Territory GVP Alex Bay. "The big lie of NAFTA is right here for anyone to see."

The shutdown will have ripple effects throughout Knox County and beyond.   It is estimated that $111 million in payroll dollars will be lost.  That dollar amount includes $61 million in payroll for Maytag workers and $50 million in payroll for non-Maytag workers.

Here is what the study found:

-         1,600 people will lose their jobs

-         Another 575 people will lose their jobs when Maytag stops buying goods and services from their employers.

-         1,475 will lose their jobs from shifts in regional household spending patterns caused by changes in regional employment levels.  What is commonly known as a ripple effect.

-         RETAC predicts 3,631 jobs will be lost in Knox County alone.  The study does not estimate the effects in other counties.

-         RETAC did a similar study based on Maytag employment in 1999, when the local plant was booming.  The study found that 2,475 people would lose their jobs directly, 889 people who work for Maytag suppliers would also lose their jobs, and 2,253 people would lose their jobs through the ripple effect in the economy throughout the region.  The total numbers of jobs lost based on 1999 numbers would be 5,617 jobs.

Who will be affected by the closing?

Direct job loss - Maytag employees - 1,600 jobs

Among Maytag suppliers based on 1,600 Maytag jobs lost

Hardest hit categories….

Wholesale trade, 176 jobs

Personnel supply services, 66

Trucking and warehousing, 59

Maintenance and repair facilities, 39

Eating and drinking establishments, 25

Banking, 24

Management and consulting services, 14

Hotels, 12

Services to buildings, 11

Accounting and bookkeeping, 10

The Postal Service, 10

Total of indirect job losses: 575 jobs

Where will the “ripple effect” job loss take place?

Hardest hit categories….

Education, 10 jobs

Eating and drinking, 132

Government, except education, 109

Miscellaneous retail, 83

Hospitals, 77

Groceries, 72

General merchandise stores, 56

Doctors and dentists, 48

Automobile dealers and gas stations, 44

Nursing and protective care, 37

Other maintenance and repair, 27

Banking, 26

Labor and civic organizations, 24

Domestic services, 24

Total “induced or ripple effect” jobs lost: 1,457

posted 05-13-2003 07:52 AM            

No patriotism whatsoever. Corporatism uber alles.

Yet people just keep wavin' those commie Chinese slave made desecrated plastic American flags.

That's life living in the matrix.

The illusion will be shattered soon enough.

posted 05-13-2003 12:32 PM            

Instead of whining that there is no work, why don't you spend that time looking for work Mech, or creating it yourself? I'm making money right now as I type...are you? And if you are not, the first step to success is taking upon yourself the responsibility for earning an income ....not blaming Bush. Did the Pilgrims blame the president for their situation…Did they blame King George…or did they take personal responsibility for themselves?

posted 05-13-2003 12:42 PM            

Bush Denounces Saudi Terror Attacks
By TOM RAUM
ASSOCIATED PRESS

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -

President Bush on Tuesday denounced the bombings in Saudi Arabia as the work of "killers whose only faith is hate" and vowed that those responsible "will learn the meaning of American justice."

Bush said "the ruthless murder of American citizens and other citizens, reminds us that the war on terror continues."

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