posted 05-14-2003 01:34 AM            

I think you Neo-cons can't hold your liquor:>
BS your way out of it FW
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001023.html
>>April 8, 2002 - WASHINGTON, DC - The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<
GOP Going 'Amway' to Spread Agenda
"The GOP has launched an Internet-based campaign that includes a points-for-products system to spread its agenda throughout the country."
"The Web site -- www.gopteamleader.com -- features interactive pages with links to radio and television stations, and partisan talking points that users can personalize and e-mail directly to Democrats in Washington and in their state."
"The site also features a data-sharing "Got Info?" page where "leaders share intelligence with the GOP, acting as our 'eyes-and-ears' on the ground."
<
>The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<
>the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, has invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers.<<

posted 05-14-2003 01:51 AM            

Fastwaffler,
"splain just how you make money by zieg heiling to Bush on the internet.

Anybody who can use search can easily find cointelpro was identical to the USA Patriot Act's invasion of privacy unconstitutional spying on american citizens to oppose Freedom of Speech.
http://www.liberty1.org/constitu.htm
>THE CONSTITUTION OF
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA<
>Article. V.
...Amendments to this Constitution,..., shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution,
<
>Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.<

You got a problem with the US Constitution, you've got a problem with me.

Until death, I honor my oath:
"To uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foriegn and domestic.."

Such a shame you RW fanatics hate our Constitution and worship Bush instead.

At least decent Americans like Mech (who distrusts both sides) still love our US Constitution and honor their oath.

posted 05-14-2003 03:13 AM            

"The GOP has launched an Internet-based campaign that includes a points-for-products system to spread its agenda throughout the country."

typical liberal...can't possibly imagine that people don't see things their way...so they have to be paid...

LOL !

posted 05-14-2003 09:45 AM            

* Why did the lucrative school testing contracts, which are the main part funded from the "no child left behind" bill, get passed along to your cronies?

* How many Enron executives have gone to jail?

* Recently, a Fox News reporter was fired for refusing to report a lie. She sued for wrongful termination, but on appeal, the courts held that the United States has no law that requires news to be true. Do you support this opinion?

* Mr. Bush has had several skin lesions removed from his face. Why is it, then, that he does not support environmental legislation that would help reduce skin cancer?

* To what extent does this administration appreciate and follow the lessons in...
Mein Kampf?

* Does Mr. Bush believe that certain parts of the Constitution are outdated?

* Why did George Bush Sr. give clemency to known terrorist Orlando Bosch, who admits to setting at least 40 bombs and blew up an airliner carrying 73 passengers?

* Can you please explain why Mr. Bush thought an embezzler was an appropriate choice for a leadership position in Iraq?

* As you'll recall H.R. Haldeman ended up getting indicted; John Mitchell, who held the position now held by John Ashcroft, went to jail. Do Andrew Card and John Ashcroft fear for their own rectal virginity?

* Where are the WMD you promised us? (State of the Union speech, Jan. 2003: "25,000 liters of anthrax ... 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin ... materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent ... upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents ... several mobile biological weapons labs ... thousands of Iraqi security personnel ... at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors."

* You describe yourself as a military fighter pilot. Is it true that you were suspended from flying? Where were you in 1972? photocopies of George Bush military documents

* Why did you shoot journalists in Iraq?

* Who short sold United and American right before 9-11?

* After Andrew Card notified you on 9-11 that America was under attack, why did you spend almost 20 minutes reading a story about a pet goat? Documentation on this

* What are the plans to balance the social services spending in Iraq vs. in the United States?

* Is it true that the tax cuts are actually a way to force changes in our social services infrastructure, eliminating the safety net and rolling back service to pre-FDR times?

* Three times, you have stated that it would be easier to be a dictator. It's getting easier, don't you agree?

* Why did you ask the president of Brazil if there are any blacks there?

* Why did your administration lobby Tom Daschle to drop the investigation of 9-11?

* Why haven't you let the public see the 800-page 9-11 investigation report?

* Why do you overreact so to a little old lady like Helen Thomas, who has interviewed every president for 40 years?

* When Florida was called for Gore, why did Mr. Bush insist that results were going to change?

* How do you explain the worldwide animosity America now faces?

* Why did you not take steps to protect the museums and nuclear power plants in Iraq?

* If universal healthcare is important for Iraq, why not here?

* Will you, Mr. Bush, take the tests that you require schoolchildren to pass?

*
Why did Bush tell the FBI to back off the bin laden family?

*
What will you do to make sure elections are properly audited in the next election?

*
Mr. Bush appears to have trouble slurring his words and has gin blossoms on his face. Has he resumed his substance abuse habits?

* Does Mr. Bush resort to the use of look-alikes and doubles in public events?

* And why hasn't Worldcom been prosecuted for its 9 billion accounting fraud?

* When Mr. Rumsfeld illustrates his words with a hand like a claw is he trying to remind us of that movie "Liar Liar" with Jim Carey?

* I'd like to ask why Bush and Powell both cited a forged document as evidence of Iraq's alleged nuclear program, even though the C.I.A. told them it was a fake.

* Why did NORAD deviate from Standard Operating Procedure on the morning of 9-11, failing to scramble jets?

* Why did the administration deny that it was drafting a second Domestic Security Enhancement bill (Patriot Act II)?

* (Question from the back!) With Homeland Security initiatives like First Responders being under-funded how do you reason that creating more foreign enemies is making us any safer?

* Why is it that $65 million was invested in investigating Clinton's penis, and $50 million allocated to investigate the Columbia shuttle disaster, yet only $3 million was allocated to investigate 9-11?

* Why has the Justice Dept. consistently refused to supply information to Congress on how the USA PATRIOT Act is being implemented, especially in light of the fact that passage of the act was conditional upon adequate oversight by Congress?

* Why is Mr. Bush so anxious to seal records that are nearly 20 years old?

* Why did the President renege on his campaign promise to support the Kyoto Treaty on global warming?

* Where were you, Mr. Bush, between 1972 and 1973 when you were supposed to be in the national guard? (more info)

* How do you justify the budget cuts for veterans benefits at precisely the time you are ramping up the military for permanent war?

* Is it true that you are recruiting soldiers in Mexico?

* What exactly did you mean when you referred to 9-11 as "hitting the trifecta?"

* WHy did the White House start taking Cipro right after 9/11 and why didn't they advise the American people that an attack was imminent?

* Why did anthrax only go to Democrats and media enemies?

* Why doesn't the press ask and follow up on these questions?

* "Just who the hell do you think you are?" in my most scolding tone of voice.

* Mr. Bush has been reported as saying to a common man in Philadelphia, "who cares what you think?" Is this view of Mr. Bush's reserved for "little" people, or everyone?

* Mr. Bush*, do you still "not give a damn" where Osama Bin Laden is?

* Why have we relegated free speech to designated "First Amendment Zones?"

* More importantly, why are people rounded up and arrested before protests, held without charges, and then released?

* In 1989, you reportedly said that you are a media creation. Has anything changed?

* Why have people started saying "be careful what you say?"

* Why would Mr. Bush rather play golf on lushly watered greens in the desert than talk to citizens at a town meeting?

* Why redact information about 9-11 by classifying it when it is on videotape and has already been printed in the newspaper?

* Do you feel it is an abuse of power to classify 9-11 documents in order to avoid embarrassment for the administration about evidence that it failed to act?

* On the morning of 9-11, why was Cheney hustled to a secure location while Bush was not?

* Why is broadcasting knowingly false news legal in America but illegal in England?

* Who exactly was with Cheney in his secret underground government? Rummy? Perle? Wolfowitz? Powell?

* What is the LEGAL definition of a "shadow government?"

* Is it true that it cost $800,000 to $1 million for the "Top Gun" photo op on the aircraft carrier?

* What precisely did Bush mean when he promised a "humble foreign policy" while campaigning for president?

* (Inappropriate question): Would you trust the chastity belts for your twins if they had the same locking mechanism as your "lockbox" for Social Security

* Where are the WMD?

* Where are the WMD?

posted 05-14-2003 11:38 AM            

If you have any concern about the erosion of our Constitutional rights, then this is a "must read," despite its length.

The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.

It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference. "You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display. Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.) Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.

Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite. His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.

He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this new agency, the Central Security Office for the homeland, and gave it a role in the government equal to the other major departments. His assistant who dealt with the press noted that, since the terrorist attack, "Radio and press are at out disposal." Those voices questioning the legitimacy of their nation's leader, or raising questions about his checkered past, had by now faded from the public's recollection as his central security office began advertising a program encouraging people to phone in tips about suspicious neighbors. This program was so successful that the names of some of the people "denounced" were soon being broadcast on radio stations. Those denounced often included opposition politicians and celebrities who dared speak out - a favorite target of his regime and the media he now controlled through intimidation and ownership by corporate allies.

To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't enough. He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing former executives of the nation's largest corporations into high government positions. A flood of government money poured into corporate coffers to fight the war against the Middle Eastern ancestry terrorists lurking within the homeland, and to prepare for wars overseas. He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the nation, particularly those previously owned by suspicious people of Middle Eastern ancestry. He built powerful alliances with industry; one corporate ally got the lucrative contract worth millions to build the first large-scale detention center for enemies of the state. Soon more would follow. Industry flourished. But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices of dissent again arose within and without the government. Students had started an active program opposing him (later known as the White Rose Society), and leaders of nearby nations were speaking out against his bellicose rhetoric. He needed a diversion, something to direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his own government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power, and the oft-voiced concerns of civil libertarians about the people being held in detention without due process or access to attorneys or family. With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he began a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small, limited war was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the suspicious Middle Eastern people, and even though its connection with the terrorist who had set afire the nation's most important building was tenuous at best, it held resources their nation badly needed if they were to have room to live and maintain their prosperity. He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to the leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations across Europe - at first - denounced him for it, pointing out that it was a doctrine only claimed in the past by nations seeking worldwide empire, like Caesar's Rome or Alexander's Greece.

It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying with European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader of the United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck. After the military action began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain told the nervous British people that giving in to this leader's new first-strike doctrine would bring "peace for our time."

Thus Hitler annexed Austria in a lightning move, riding a wave of popular support as leaders so often do in times of war. The Austrian government was unseated and replaced by a new leadership friendly to Germany, and German corporations began to take over Austrian resources. In a speech responding to critics of the invasion, Hitler said, "Certain Foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier [into Austria] there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."

To deal with those who dissented from his policies, at the advice of his politically savvy advisors, he and his handmaidens in the press began a campaign to equate him and his policies with patriotism and the nation itself. National unity was essential, they said, to ensure that the terrorists or their sponsors didn't think they'd succeeded in splitting the nation or weakening its will. In times of war, they said, there could be only "one people, one nation, and one commander-in-chief" ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"), and so his advocates in the media began a nationwide campaign charging that critics of his policies were attacking the nation itself. Those questioning him were labeled "anti-German" or "not good Germans," and it was suggested they were aiding the enemies of the state by failing in the patriotic necessity of supporting the nation's valiant men in uniform. It was one of his most effective ways to stifle dissent and pit wage-earning people (from whom most of the army came) against the "intellectuals and liberals" who were critical of his policies.

Nonetheless, once the "small war" annexation of Austria was successfully and quickly completed, and peace returned, voices of opposition were again raised in the Homeland. The almost-daily release of news bulletins about the dangers of terrorist communist cells wasn't enough to rouse the populace and totally suppress dissent. A full-out war was necessary to divert public attention from the growing rumbles within the country about disappearing dissidents; violence against liberals, Jews, and union leaders; and the epidemic of crony capitalism that was producing empires of wealth in the corporate sector but threatening the middle class's way of life. A year later, to the week, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia; the nation was now fully at war, and all internal dissent was suppressed in the name of national security. It was the end of Germany's first experiment with democracy.

As we conclude this review of history, there are a few milestones worth remembering.

February 27, 2003, was the 70th anniversary of Dutch terrorist Marinus van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German Parliament (Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler to legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of his successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost no German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leader in the history of his nation. Hailed around the world, he was later Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."

Most Americans remember his office for the security of the homeland, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and its SchutzStaffel, simply by its most famous agency's initials: the SS.

We also remember that the Germans developed a new form of highly violent warfare they named "lightning war" or blitzkrieg, which, while generating devastating civilian losses, also produced a highly desirable "shock and awe" among the nation's leadership according to the authors of the 1996 book "Shock And Awe" published by the National Defense University Press.

Reflecting on that time, The American Heritage Dictionary (Houghton Mifflin Company, 1983) left us this definition of the form of government the German democracy had become through Hitler's close alliance with the largest German corporations and his policy of using war as a tool to keep power: fas-cism (fbsh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business Leadership, together with belligerent nationalism." Today, as we face financial and political crises, it's useful to remember that the ravages of the Great Depression hit Germany and the United States alike. Through the 1930s, however, Hitler and Roosevelt chose very different courses to bring their nations back to power and prosperity.

Germany's response was to use government to empower corporations and reward the society's richest individuals, privatize much of the commons, stifle dissent, strip people of constitutional rights, and create an illusion of prosperity through continual and ever-expanding war. America passed minimum wage laws to raise the middle class, enforced anti-trust laws to diminish the power of corporations, increased taxes on corporations and the wealthiest individuals, created Social Security, and became the employer of last resort through programs to build national infrastructure, promote the arts, and replant forests.

posted 05-14-2003 04:22 PM            

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON May 14 —
Congress' investigative agency won't look at the costs of President Bush's "Top Gun" flight to an aircraft carrier to declare an end to major fighting in Iraq.

Comptroller General David Walker, head of the General Accounting Office, said Tuesday it would cost too much and take too long to do the study.

He also would have to look at similar actions by other presidents and possibly federal lawmakers "in order to do this kind of work in a professional, objective, nonpartisan, fair and balanced manner," Walker said.

"In my view, it does not pass a cost-benefit test," he said.

The requests were submitted by Reps. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the top Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee, and Mark Souder, R-Ind., chairman of a Government Reform subcommittee. Waxman said the trip had "clear political overtones."

Bush, who was an officer with the Texas National Guard during the Vietnam War, landed aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, at sea off San Diego, in an S-3B jet piloted by a Navy flier. Wearing a flight suit, with his flight helmet under his arm, Bush hopped onto the flight deck and walked among the gathered sailors, welcoming them home from the Iraq war.

Some Democrats, like Waxman, called the trip political rather than presidential.

"To me, it is an affront to the Americans killed or injured in Iraq for the president to exploit the trappings of war for the momentary spectacle of a speech," said the Senate's most senior member, Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer initially said Bush had to use a plane rather than his helicopter because the aircraft carrier was going to be hundreds of miles offshore. It turned out the ship was just 39 miles from shore at the time of Bush's visit, an easy flight for a helicopter.

Fleischer then said Bush wanted "to see an aircraft landing the same way that the pilots saw an aircraft landing. He wanted to see it as realistically as possible."

A day after Bush's visit, Fleischer dismissed any suggestion the trip was designed to boost Bush's re-election.

"This is not about the president," he said. "This is about thanking the men and women who won a war."

AP

posted 05-15-2003 03:58 AM            

>Team Leaders get the inside scoop on what's going on at the Republican Party. Each week you will receive an update,
The Team Leader, about the latest stories, bills, and actions around the country.

In addition to being given a "political edge" over the competition,
you earn GOPoints for each Action Item completed.
Action Items range from writing a letter to your editor

to calling local voters and gauging public opinion.<

{Internet advocacy is within that range}

>The GOPoints you earn can, in turn, be redeemed for collateral of your choice, ranging from leather PDA covers to folding chairs.
<

You'll never convince me the program does not exist.
I was a part of it before leaving the dark side.

My folding (director's chair) was a 'gift'
from Roger Ailes
(for helping His "America's Talking" cable TV network back in 1992-1993)

I've been called by talk shows and asked to contribute to the discussion.
(including briefing on what the guest is planning to say, and suggestions about what tack to take with them.

Beginning with local (Sacramento talk host Rush Limbaugh (1985-1986)

It was a Campaign coordinator for a (R) Senator who taught me to use a computer for internet advocacy.

they don't call me anymore...
well...since I left the dark side,

they call me turncoat and other "less complimentary" names.

As FW and other darksiders illustrate here.

BTW/ can't explain how you make money on the internet with every partisan keystroke.

Post an insult instead!
It's condoned by the PR companies of the "Web of Deceit"
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001023.html

Bivings et al's payroll is more lucrative than mere 'GOPoints'.

posted 05-15-2003 04:17 AM            

quote:

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BTW/ can't explain how you make money on the internet with every partisan keystroke.

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posted 05-15-2003 07:49 AM            

Speculating currencies.

posted 05-15-2003 09:24 AM            

Day trading IS tough...most people loose at that. Position trading with options and precision day trading entry and exit strategies is better. In fact, combining short options with trading the underlying asset, along with technical chart reading skills makes it difficult and even impossible to loose in some cases.....not that I know anything about trading...I know cookies

posted 05-15-2003 01:33 PM            

lol...

66% of voters can't name a democratic canidate

With still almost a year to go before the primaries, the Democratic candidates for President are not yet well-enough known for most respondents to volunteer any of their names. Only 34 percent of people can offer the name of at least one of those challengers - including only 36 percent of Democrats who say they can.

Of those people who can name one, Joe Lieberman - who ran for Vice-President on the Democratic 2000 ticket - is the name most frequently recalled. John Kerry is next.

posted 05-15-2003 01:40 PM            

Here are the NON-CHOICES for 2004

Joe Wimperman

"Skull and Bones" Kerry

Dick (give up my principles) Gephardt

Tom (Spineless) Daschle?

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2004

The ONLY possible candidate not comprimised by the NWO/Globalists.

posted 05-15-2003 02:30 PM            

Now I've been fooled by people before because they re-elected Clinton, when I didn't think it possible that so many people could be so stupid. Same goes with the most corrupt, incompetent and unpopular governor in California’s history, Gray Davis, who is now single handedly destroying the state that is bigger than most European countries. You want to see what happens when Democrats get elected? Just check out California. When Governor Dufus came into office, California had one of the largest surpluses in state history...(around 10 billion dollars I believe) which is not necessarily a good thing because it meant Californians were paying too much tax. Then Dufus came into office and created an energy crisis. California actually can't keep the power on during hot summer days (thanks to Dufus's incompetence) while Baghdad actually managed to keep their lights on throughout some of the harshest bombing seen since WWII! And then he mismanaged the budget so badly that we are now looking at almost a 40 billion dollar deficit with no end in sight. And how is he proposing to fix it? He wants to stick another 17 billion dollars worth of state taxes on the back of the California tax payer (we were already paying too much, remember). He wants to triple the car tax (DMV license fee), and I could be paying as much as 400 bucks just to renew the license on my SUV. Now all you non-Californians out there in other states who don't think this affects you, consider the fact that California has the 6th largest economy in the world...and businesses are leaving like rats from a sinking ship thanks to Governor Dufus. In fact, California is now one of the least desirable places in the United States to start a new business...thanks to this incompetent boob. This is what liberal Democrats do. Since Dufus is intent on burning down the state of California like the proverbial Atlanta, this affects every American, because the 6th largest economy in the world dying affects the entire US economy..

This is how Democrats work, if we give them power. The economy we are in now is a direct result of the Clinton years....even after he had inherited the Reagan boom years and squandered it. 9/11 was a direct result of the national security disaster that was Clinton, and Bush inherited that. This is what happens if you elect Democrats. And it is likely, had Gore won, America would be fighting for it's very survival today….if it was still here. By now I’m sure Ossama would have his feet up on a White House desk and Saddam would be smoking one of Monica’s cigars…

posted 05-15-2003 04:32 PM            

I just won't sacrifice my principles.

I won't vote for ANY Presidential candidate that supports the Patriot Act and "the war on Terrorism" (the war on us), or one who supports NAFTA/GATT/WTO, gun control legislation, unconstitutional laws, or ANYTHING that violates the Constitution of the United States...period.

That includes both (R)s and (D)s

posted 05-15-2003 05:59 PM            

You're right, someone like you voting is a scary thought. So let's see if I get this straight....you don't vote for Republicans or Democrats...but you want Ron Paul as president. Last time I checked he was a converted Republican. So this guy is supposed to become president if you wish it so? Is that how it works in Mech's little dream world? Good luck, and PS..Ron Paul has a snowball's chance in a blast furnace against Bush in the primaries, because maybe you haven't heard, but the way it works in America is that you have to actually vote for your candidate in order that they win. You might like Ron Paul, but nobody actually wants to vote for the guy….including yourself apparently

posted 05-15-2003 07:34 PM            

Bush has FIXED all that.

BTW 'congresscritter' Ron Paul supported the USA Patriot Act.

Senator Bryon Dorgan is the only Senator with the balls to stand up on his hind legs and say no to the NWO.

(He alone voted against the NWO's USA Patriot Act)

Everybody else wimped out.
Succumbbed to being locked out of their offices by an anthrax scare and voted (yes or not on the whole package) for the unconstitutional "One Party rule" USA Patriot act.

(via which W suspended the Constitution)

Electronic voting has successfully eliminated the paper trail/
Those chosen by partosan programmers will always win in bushylvania.

Jan 2001 (after Capitol Hill visit:

Reporter:
"Governor Bush;
What will you say to those Democrats and others who will call you 'dictator' because of the way you took office?"
W (smirking):
"As long as I'm their dictator."

posted 05-15-2003 08:01 PM            

Bush (the lesser) has returned us to the Death Valley Days of Reaganomics:

Deficit spending, tax cuts for the rich, massive debt, unemployment far beyond "official" numbers
and (last but not least)
PR wars to distract US from the realities of the disasters on th ehomefront.

Note:
Not one single Republican voted for the 1993 budget which fixed america's economic problems.

All Republicans predicted disaster if the '93 budget passed.

They just failed to mention that that 'disaster' would only occur when their side got control again.

(and renewed Voodoo Economics to replace those Democrats' 'pay as you go' balanced budgets)

Zieg...
bush-whackers will do the heiling

posted 05-15-2003 08:13 PM            

Prevent Florida from counting their own votes is conservatives' "States' Rights" in hypocrisy unveiled.

Next time you buy something,
demand the cashier take your word for the count.
(how much money you hand over)

Any honest count is only confirmed by a recount.

Only a coverup of fraud explains why five "states rights" 'extreme court' Judges reversed a lifetime of principles to stop an honest vote count in 2000.