posted 05-15-2003 08:55 PM            

While it is kind of hard to swallow a person winning the popular vote, and not winning the election, it happens very rarely.

posted 05-15-2003 10:49 PM            

You're right.

also;
I can't imagine Al Gore suspending the US Constitution like W did.

I can't imagine Al Gore ordering the Feds to stop investigating BinLaden (like W did June of 2001)
or authorizing Operation Northwoods;

or giving "stand-down orders" (on 9/11)
like W did.

Or given 18 Saudi hijackers,
attacking a country from which not one single hijacker came, instead of Saudi Arabia.

Like W did.

Or using the 9/11 crisis to supress a vote count that showed by every method of counting that Gore won by significant margins.

eg: {dimpled chad for Bush/ dimpled chad for Gore/ dimpled chad for Buchannon-
hanging chad for Bush/ hanging chad for Gore/ hanging chad for Buchannon-
etc.
same standards applied to all=honest count}

The definition of insanity Rush uses is:
"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Like W giving tax breaks to the rich and running up huge deficits & causing massive unemployment.
Then trying to make the same mistake again year after year.
(like W does)

I've read each of your posts FW.
I see your points and understand your 'logic'.
I'm even more convinced now.
You're full of shit!

posted 05-15-2003 11:43 PM            

ahemmmm....the democrats fought the balanced budget amendment tooth and nail...there would be no balanced budget ever if it were not for NEWT GINGRICH ! and the contract with America....

trickle down economics works...have you ever gotten a job from a poor man shitoga...

have another one shitoga...

posted 05-16-2003 12:26 AM            

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Or using the 9/11 crisis to supress a vote count that showed by every method of counting that Gore won by significant margins.

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Whaaaaat? This comment is just insanely idiotic. What a dream land you live in! By 9/11 2001 Gore had lost every single re-count in Florida, and the Supreme court had already made its decision….

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eg: {dimpled chad for Bush/ dimpled chad for Gore/ dimpled chad for Buchannon-
hanging chad for Bush/ hanging chad for Gore/ hanging chad for Buchannon-
etc.
same standards applied to all=honest count}

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Now we are getting into an area here that is beyond idiocy. I can only describe it as some sort of demented psychotic revisionism on your part. Some one aught to lock up the sharp objects around you Shitoga….for your own safety.

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The definition of insanity Rush uses is:
"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
Like W giving tax breaks to the rich and running up huge deficits & causing massive unemployment.

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The only tax break so far was a very minor one….Deficits are run up by government spending which has nothing to do with the tax side of the equation. You are saying that the American people aren’t paying enough tax. That’s not true. We are way over-taxed, yet government spending increases each year, unabated. Government is out of control, and there are few controlling oversight agencies on spending….National Defense and military is not a legitimate area that can be cut however (the only significant cuts under the Clinton years, by the way). Reagan showed us the result of cutting the top marginal tax rate across the board, and that was 12 years of sustained and unprecedented economic growth. The only problem is that the liberal controlled congress increased spending which out paced growth, and deficits were created. Clinton then increased taxes substantially which reduced the deficit, but substantially retarded economic growth, while no real cuts in spending where accomplished. In fact, if we saw growth in anything it was government spending during the Clinton years. Like I said, the only significant cuts Clinton made were cuts in the military, national security and defense….which of course, led to the 9/11 attacks, given our state of vulnerability after Clinton left office. We were also well into an economic slide, the results of the Clinton years, well into the fourth quarter before Clinton left office.

And then there was 9/11...and Bush had to spend more on military and national defense to make up for the damage Clinton had done. Now Bush wants to reduce taxes for EVERYONE who pays taxes…and we hear the same tired leftist mantra and profound lie from leftists like Shitoga every time…No tax cuts for the rich they’ll say….Well if Shitoga defines “rich” as everyone who pays income taxes, then I guess that comment would be true, but as it is…it’s not. It’s another tired lie designed to prevent the one thing that would revive the economy, and that’s an across-the-board (meaning all tax brackets) tax cut as Bush is currently proposing. Leftists who know what they are doing, want to block this because they fear a recovering economy would make Bush look good. In other words, they put their own petty personal quest for power above the good of America. Dumbass followers who have no clue as to the real agenda, just dumbly repeat the party line “no tax cuts for the rich” like the mind-numbed zombies they are.

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I've read each of your posts FW.

I see your points and understand your 'logic'.

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No…I don’t think you do….

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I'm even more convinced now.
You're full of shit!

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posted 05-16-2003 01:50 AM            

I find myself arguing against a trioka of closed minds.
FW $eeker and Chemmie/ where O where is PV?

No one pays us free thinkers to go on the net and post the truth as we see it.

Rightwing partisans can make a living arguing for their gawd herr Bush.

We who think for ourselves

must pay our own way!

No matter/ I won't sell my soul!

$eeker argues that the Balanced budget amendment was necessary to achieve balanced budgets.
President Clinton proved them wrong.
"All you have to do is make the tough choices."
-Bill Clinton

Clinton made those tough choices and balanced the budget against unanamous Republican opposition.

(who rewrote history to claim (falsely) credit for what they tried to prevent/balanced budgets & had fought tooth and nail against)

He (our man slick) proved (in the real world) that no amendment need be passed/ no disrespect to the US Constitution/
just make the tough choices.
(which Rethuglicans used to elect their minions)
Now we have spineless rightwingers who support deficits and massive debt,
?

who spend more than Democrats ever imagained.

Who is right and who is wrong (right wing and wrong!)

Answer
Clinton proved that
by producing prosperity through sensible targeted tax cuts for corporations
that rewarded job creation.

Our dear dubya changed all that.
His tax cuts reward corporations for merely being in business
and make layoffs and firings lucerative.

Clinton's targeted tax cuts generated jobs.
Bush's tax cuts eliminate jobs

Raygunomics in a real world situation where we have learned (by actual experience)

only shit trickles down.

zieg...
NWO bushistas will continue to do the heiling

got to earn their points

As the RNC proves
http://www.gopteamleader.com/benefits.asp
>In addition to being given a "political edge" over the competition, you earn GOPoints for each Action Item completed. Action Items range from writing a letter to your editor to calling local voters and gauging public opinion. The GOPoints you earn can, in turn, be redeemed for collateral of your choice, ranging from leather PDA covers to folding chairs.<

posted 05-16-2003 01:58 AM            

clinton proved that by producing prosperity through sensible tax cuts for corporations that rewarded job creation.

clinton levied the largest tax increase in world history...in so doing the bulk of it was placed on large companies in the form of a BTU tax...(energy tax)

you have absolutely no idea what your talking about shitoga...

and your ridiculous statement proved it...

cheeerio~pip~pip

old chum

posted 05-16-2003 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
been waiting for you to stumble in a big way...

clinton proved that by producing prosperity through sensible tax cuts for corporations that rewarded job creation.

clinton levied the largest tax increase in world history...in so doing the bulk of it was placed on large companies in the form of a BTU tax...(energy tax)

you have absolutely no idea what your talking about shitoga...

and your ridiculous statement proved it...

cheeerio~pip~pip

old chum

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Clinton's 1993 budget only raised taxes on the rich.
My taxes (like the rest of the working middle class) went down.

How stupid you RW propagandists are.

If rush says a lie, you idiots believe it.

zieg...
bushistas who hate America will continue to do the heiling
(to earn their points or pay)
zieg...

posted 05-16-2003 02:21 AM            

and the last time I heard it repeated was from dick morris...

who worked for clinton at the time...

I don't know why you people consistantly bring a knife to a gunfight...

posted 05-16-2003 03:06 AM            

Clinton only increased taxes on the rich? Again we see here that Shitoga is defining rich as those who make an income. His taxes went up, and he doesn't even have a clue. Perhaps that is because Shitoga is suckling from the government teat? Just a guess…most liberal Democrats are.

And increasing taxes on corporations seems to be a good thing according to Shitoga. Any grade schooler can tell you the result of this, but not only is Shitoga clueless, but he gets it completely backwards. Let's see if you can follow the logic on this one;

Who does the hiring of employees? Well.....corporations....right? If we increase the taxes on corporations, we reduce the amount of capital they have to pay for operating costs and overhead (employees included in overhead costs). This means that (unlike politicians) corporations have to find ways to cut costs, run on a tighter profit margin, and this usually results in elimination of employees and making fewer employees do the work of more. It's simple economics 101...but Shitoga is clueless. Instead , Shitoga thinks that lowering taxes on corporations somehow causes lay-offs!

Now think about it....How in hell can any reasonable person logically come to this conclusion?? It's completely asinine back-asswards logic. The way it works in the real world, outside the Shitoga psychedelic mushroom induced fantasy land, is that reducing taxes on corporations leaves them more capital to expand. That means more jobs, higher retention of jobs....and less cuts in salaries to qualified employees. This is just basic common sense....

But be that as it may, the big lie is that Bush wants tax cuts for the rich, in other words…targeted tax cuts. Look again….Targeted tax cuts are a gimmick of liberal Democrats to fool people into thinking they are getting tax cuts while making it impossible for them to qualify. It’s classic smoke and mirrors…the illusion of tax cut with out actually giving one. Bush’s plan by contrast (that just passed the house, btw) is an across-the-board tax cut for all working Americans who pay income tax. It is a REAL tax cut designed to stimulate the economy. It’s not even arguable to say that tax cuts stimulate the economy. Besides being basic common sense, it’s absolutey demonstrable historical fact that they do stimulate the economy. Again, here we go to basic fourth grade economics….but Shitoga doesn’t seem to get it. If people have extra money in their pockets after their tax returns….what do they tend to do with that money? I know what I did with mine. I went out and got those car repairs I was putting off. Even better, is if you keep more of that tax cut as a raise in your paycheck, rather than as a tax return. Americans are a nation of spenders…If we have money…we spend it. And when we spend it, we buy a product or a service. When we buy that product or service, someone gets work, and a business can expand. The business that produces that product or service not only has an increase in business due to more people having more money to spend on their product, they have lower overhead, and can afford to expand to keep pace with an increasing demand. This is the effect a tax cut has on the economy.

posted 05-16-2003 12:09 PM            

Marc Racicot, chairman of the RNC and a former Montana governor, is Bush's choice to chair the campaign, but that selection will not be announced until a replacement can be found, officials said.

posted 05-16-2003 01:58 PM            

See the remarkable resemblance? I see Bush's mother' influence here....no doubt chosen by the Illuminati for that certain George Washington alure, or by the Quaker Oats people as payback for his mother's modeling work...

Looks like four more years of a great president. America is in good hands....

posted 05-16-2003 04:39 PM            

I know, wouldn't it be great if us free thinkers got paid.. I could pay for school!

Shatty here is a classic example of "hate the rich" liberalism.. It's really kind of sad, and is quite obvious.

Money isn't evil, it's what you do with it.

And how many times do I have to tell you doofus, I am not Republican!.. You republicans (FW ) are too arrogant, I don't care if you are right 99.945% of the time.

I don't need to be right wing or republican to see through your bullshit shatty.

I respect Bush a little bit more everyday. The world doesn't hate America because of Bush, the people that do hate us hate us because of the incorrect perceptions given off by snobbish yokels out in european media.

posted 05-16-2003 05:03 PM            

Some times Republicans get a little too cocky from being right all the time.

I consider my self, or have in the past a moderate/liberal.. I bash liberals sometimes, but only what some of them have come.

posted 05-17-2003 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
and renewed Voodoo Economics to replace those Democrats' 'pay as you go' balanced budgets

ahemmmm....the democrats fought the balanced budget amendment tooth and nail...there would be no balanced budget ever if it were not for NEWT GINGRICH ! and the contract with America....

trickle down economics works...have you ever gotten a job from a poor man shitoga...

have another one shitoga...

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It didn't take an amendment stupid!

Like Clinton said:
"We don't need an amendment.
We just need to make the tough choices."

He made those tough choices.

Rethuglicans profited from those tough choices and gained seats by telling people the lies they wanted to hear
instead of the unpleasant truths Clinton and Democrats stuck to.

Catholic Priests lie about sex. (daily)

Bush the First lied about tanks massed to invade Saudi Arabia
& sent hundreds of Americans to their deaths based on his lie.

Which matters more?
Lying about sex/nobody but Hillary got hurt-

or lying about reasons for "Wag the Gulf" one

thousands died to boost opium poppy bush's polling numbers.

Judge for yourselves.
RW dittoheads: judge as Rush tells you to think.

Don't you dare to think for yourselves!

You would end up like me!
Disgusted at being deceived by the cult of conservatism
& determined to serve the light instead of the darkside.

Stay happy, stay stupid, stay RW bigots!

We
who think for ourselves
need a foil (straightman)
to spout nonsensence,
so's we can post the obvious truths.
Self evident to all who actually visit links and read posts.

Your team leader is dissapointed that your failure to debunk our truths has cost him his director's chair.

Watch your' backs.
I've been on your side & know how vindictive your masters are when you fail to serve them as they wish.

Come into the light and join me. work for good and decency for all mankind
- Satan will always take you back.

posted 05-17-2003 02:06 PM            

The NeoCons: New Nazi-Lite Con Men Take Washington

by WAYNE MADSEN

Through a media laundering process, "discovered" documents are handed over to right-wing outlets owned by such slash and burn media moguls as Murdoch, Conrad Black, and Sun Myung Moon.

We are now being fed information that captured Iraqi intelligence documents "prove" that France assisted escaping members of Saddam Hussein's government by handing them French passports in Syria.

This follows repeated allegations that other "documents" proved French (and Russian and German) intelligence cooperation with Iraq's intelligence service before the war.

Syria has been accused of accepting Iraq's phony weapons of mass destruction. Iran is accused of helping Al Qaeda (its most bitter enemy).

Hitler used false evidence and phony rhetoric to justify his invasions of Danzig, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland. American ambassadors in New Zealand, Norway, Turkey, Greece, Canada, Mexico, Barbados, Jamaica, Brazil, Belgium, Chile, and Luxembourg have acted like Nazi German Foreign Minister Joachim Von Ribbentrop's bellicose ambassadors in bullying nations that failed to support the U.S. war on Iraq.

France is being faced with being kicked out of NATO military planning meetings, Germany with a loss of U.S. military bases, Belgium with the loss of NATO's headquarters, and Canada, Chile, and Mexico with trade sanctions.

There are lies, damned lies, and Ahmad Chalabi. The leader of the Iraqi National Congress, stooge of the neo-cons, and a convicted bank embezzler is now aiming his wrath at Jordan.

Chalabi, who bilked the American taxpayer out of millions of dollars from State Department and CIA budgets in order to fight his self-styled struggle against Saddam from the restaurants of London's Mayfair District and the clothiers of Savile Row, now claims that recently "found" documents implicate Jordan's Royal Family in Saddam's spider's web.

Of course, it was a Jordanian court that found Chalabi guilty of stealing $300 million from the country's Petra Bank and which sentenced him to over 20 years at hard labor. It is surprising that it took this Gollum-like sycophantic creature so long to accuse the Jordanians of being in bed with Saddam.

Of course, Chalabi will not admit that while he was a math professor at the American University of Beirut during the 1970s, he served as an agent for the Shah of Iran's feared SAVAK secret police. So much for Chalabi's "democratic" credentials and his support for using Iraq as a base for the United States to attack Iran and install the son of the Shah upon a resurrected Peacock Throne.

Chalabi fits in well with the other congenital liars who now lead the United States government. Chief among them are those who prevaricated at every turn about why the United States went to war against Iraq.
They first said the war was to rid the world of weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear, chemical, and biological.

When no nuclear weapons were found and after a document purporting that Iraq purchased uranium from the West African nation of Niger was shown to be fake, the list of reasons for the war was pared down to the chem-bio weapons.

When that story was shown to be untrue, the story changed to: "We had to liberate the Iraqi people from a ruthless tyrant."

The chief truth manipulators were President George Bush himself, Vice President Dick Cheney, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumfeld, his obedient "Igor," Paul Wolfowitz, and think tank denizens and administration consultants Richard Perle Newt Gingrich, and Michael Ledeen.

Why does the Bush administration lie so much?

It is mainly because Bush's Svengali-like political adviser, Karl Rove, has taken to heart the advice of Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Rove has lived by this tenet throughout his political career. During the 2000 GOP primary campaign, it was the hand of Rove that was behind vicious rumors about Senator John McCain's prisoner of war record, his adopted daughter, his marital fidelity, and even his sexual orientation.

Rove's guns were then turned on Vice President Al Gore in the general election with similar lies about the Vice President's Vietnam service and Senate voting record.

A true symbiotic relationship exists between Rove and the neo-cons. Rove provides for them a nurturing host - the Pentagon -- in which to operate, procreate politically, and periodically ejaculate disinformation.

No sooner had the fake Iraqi intelligence documents "exposing" links between Saddam on one hand and Germany, Russia, France, and British Labor Party Member of Parliament George Galloway on the other been "revealed," other "documents" fingered former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, Washington Democratic Representative Jim McDermott, former House Democratic Whip David Bonior, Michigan's anti-war Representative John Conyers, Michigan Democratic Senator Carl Levin, and the 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign as similarly being linked to Saddam.

It is fitting and timely that the Senate recently disclosed files from the hearings of the disgraced Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy. He also emulated Goebbels in using the "big lie" tactic. Rove and the neo-cons relish in the big lie tactic.

It is their lifeblood. Without it they would be impotent. The neo-con's obsessive use of the lie means that whatever they state, the opposite is true. They are the liars. Those who call them on their lies are the truth sayers.

The neo-cons now say that 170,000 priceless ancient artifacts were not stolen from Iraq's National Museum. They say Saddam and his henchmen stole them. The artifacts were stolen by thieves under the watchful eye of American troops. That is the truth. The neo-cons are lying. It is simply as binary an equation as that. All the lies of the neo-cons should be viewed in the same binary manner.

Sadly, the big lie may soon be turned on Secretary of State Colin Powell.

After Powell's deputy Richard Armitage counterattacked after New Gingrich used the neo-con fortress, the American Enterprise Institute, to launch a broadside against Powell and the State Department, the neo-cons are getting ready to again use their big lie weapon, a virtual "weapon of crass destruction."

The Washington rumor circuit is rife with speculation that one of the many right-wing muck mills will soon "reveal" an extra-marital affair involving Powell.

These days, it does not matter whether such rumors are based on fact or not. Rove prefers the politics of personal destruction and Powell is currently target number one for the neo-cons and their White House nurturers.

Lying and character assassination have paid off handsomely for the neo-cons.

Another Nazi leader provided the neo-cons with a blueprint for the strategy seen in their repeated attacks on those who dare question the party line.

Their targets range from the Dixie Chicks, Senator Robert Byrd, Bill Maher, and Michael Moore, to Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, to ABC News anchor Peter Jennings and MSNBC reporter Ashleigh Banfield.

Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering, before committing suicide at the Nuremberg Trials, appeared to be advising the future neo-cons: "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

A little advice for the neo-cons and your nurturers.

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>Every day you are creating more and more enemies within the United States and abroad.

>Governments, non-governmental organizations, political parties and social movements, labor unions and business interests, and religious organizations and student groups are talking to each other and are realizing they have a common purpose.

>That purpose is to drive the neo-con threat away from the power centers of the world.

>They are beginning to understand intermeshing dependencies and are connecting the dots: Enron, Hollinger, UNOCAL, Halliburton, Carlyle Group, Trireme, L-3, SAIC, etc.

>Your aggressive policies are upsetting the global balance of power, destroying economies, threatening international trade, and first and foremost, killing innocent people.

>Like the Nazis in Nuremberg, you will, one day, face an accounting for your crimes.

>As with the Nazis who stood in the docket in Nuremberg, few, if anyone, will be in the mood to grant you clemency or mercy.

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posted 05-17-2003 02:45 PM            

btw fastwalker...it's medically proven that angry hate filled people don't live as long as folks who have a positive outlook on things...

in other words...shitoga's killing himself...softly...with his song....

posted 05-17-2003 02:57 PM            

In case you forgot.

"Why does the Bush administration lie so much?"

"It is mainly because Bush's Svengali-like political adviser, Karl Rove, has taken to heart the advice of Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

IE: "Saddam Supported Al Qaida"