posted 04-27-2003 11:44 AM            

I had to chuckle to myself when I saw this....because when you see a group of people who don't want any challenges or disagreement to their belief systems, it is usually a sign that they are not interested in reaching truth! In other words...it doesn't matter to them that chemtrails may in fact, NOT exist and may, in fact be just ordinary contrails, what matters to them is maintaining their belief system despite whatever the truth is??? Now gee...where have we seen this mentality before? Does Waco or Jim Jones ring any bells? I must conclude from this that chemtrail "believers"....or so-called "activists" are not interested in debating their ideas or reaching truth, they are interested in maintaining a cult, a belief system that exists outside reality...

In a similar way, Mech hides from truth by ignoring the points of his opponents and sending out miles of spam like a fighter jet sends out chaff to divert a heat seeking missile....Chemmies hide from truth by just preventing those who disagree with their ideas from commenting, or by carefully managing those who disagree…..In any case, whether it is a chemmie, or extreme leftist, anti-American, Bush hating conspiracy theorist (like Mech)…it is painfully obvious that this whole dang board is really about people who are evading truth and facts on one level or another to maintain their pre-conceived notions of reality, ....

posted 04-27-2003 09:00 PM            

[....because when you see a group of people who don't want any challenges or disagreement to their belief systems, it is usually a sign that they are not interested in reaching truth! ]

Politically speaking who does this really remind you of?

BTW - Thermit is and has been more than appeasing.

posted 04-27-2003 09:10 PM            

--" Let us never tolerate outrageous "conspiracy theories"...concerning the attacks on September the 11th, malicious lies that shift the blame away from the terrorsists themselves...away from the guilty"--

GEORGE W. BUSH

Addressing the UN after the WTC/Pentagon attacks

Truth is in the eye of the beholder.

posted 04-27-2003 11:32 PM            

(some few of us actually have that sacred honor:
eg; Barry Goldwater, Ollie North,
lesser folk...patriots like me...)

posted 04-28-2003 05:41 PM            

I have seen the arguement, more than once, that because the government denies chemtrails, chemtrails must exist.

posted 04-28-2003 08:59 PM            

[There is a difference between denying something and being in denial.]

Or maybe you're a denier when it comes to new governmental laws of draconian subterfuge.

[I have seen the arguement, more than once, that because the government denies chemtrails, chemtrails must exist.]

I missed that argument . . . but doesn't it usually take a decade or two for the truth to come out?

[There is a difference between Bush refuting idiotic conspiracies, and shutting off the freedom to express beliefs.]

Say it isn't so . . .
Is this where you compare the actions of Thermit to George W Bush?

How can you blindly follow or trust a president who may well see himself as the self-appointed head of a military dictatorship?

[QUOTE]
B. Smith
[The president of the United States, George W. Bush, with co-operation of the Congress and the governors of the states, has created and signed a series of 'executive orders' to consolidate power under himself sufficient enough for the creation of a militarized dictatorship over the United States. In other words, he has authorized himself to violate essential Constitutional prohibitions. The Homeland Security agency is a grievous threat to the liberties of the American people.]
It's a shame.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 13286
Issued February 28, 2003
by George W. Bush
An amendment of Executive Orders, and Other Actions, in Connection with the Transfer of Certain Functions to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

posted 04-29-2003 01:08 PM               

Gawd Damnit - i finally see another post that is saying what I have been posting about the testing done in the 1950's, and we get sidetracked by PHX. Even now, I am writing that instead of backing up the first post. Gawwd Darnit anyway.
Please stop that fkr.

Anyway, YES, there can be no doubt, the U.S. Army developed and tested these agents. In partnership with Britain, and to some degree Canada where the bulk of the testing was done becasue we have the big open spaces. Its not that they wanted to harm Americans, its just necessary for the development of the agents. So they harmed mostly Canadians.
I lived near the Suffield Army base where military activites still go on - its where the British forces train. American Canadian and British troops trains together there.
The testing from 1958 to 1969 was REPORTED IN THE NATIONAL POST newspaper last October. Barely a riffle was created because people don't want to consider it at all, to scary and their little world will not be as pleasant if they poke their heads out of the sand.
the author was Stewart Bell, and he names Robert Remington as supplying the files.
Numerous attempts to get more info have failed. Please - ask these people to give up more info! The info was diseminated the day before the article as part of the Freedom of Information act, which lets info over 50 years old out of the bag. i have tried to request more info, got some stuff that just told about the chemical suits the soldiers wore, no details about the agents.
Crystaline Brucella Mycoplasma was mentioned. Read Dr. Garth Nicholson's writeups on this [patented] U.S. army agent[from EducateYourself links?].Its awful stuff, looks a lot like Chronic Fatigue symdrom or Fibromayalgia - the illnesses the medical people won't treat directly.

We need a place to talk amongst ourselves, and if PHX is here,we get screwed. please have him ousted and banned, even burned if need be.

posted 04-29-2003 02:06 PM            

How many times are you people going to suggest harm done to someone because they do not agree with you, or say things that go against your beliefs?

"please have him ousted and banned, even burned if need be. "

Burn the heathens! It's time for a new inquisition.

posted 04-29-2003 08:06 PM            

quote:

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Sorry folks, just getting a little annoyed here. I came here with good intentions trying to find and give information, but the hostilities toward anyone who disagrees with your beliefs sickens me.

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Yes...this is the problem with chemmies, leftists and liberals....All speech is acceptable, except that which disagrees with their own (delusions).

posted 04-30-2003 01:09 AM            

The Canadian gov't has analyzed the particulates & reinforced the patent information.
Debunkers deny the facts already presented and only disrupt discussion.
That is why members' only forums exist.
To exclude those few who seek only to disrupt instead of debate.

posted 04-30-2003 01:44 AM            

The Canadian gov't has analyzed the particulates & reinforced the patent information.

what in the hell !

what particulates ?

what patent info ?

canadians are spraying !

To exclude those few who seek only to disrupt instead of debate.

really ?

posted by thermit:

The 'Chemtrails' forum is for those who are interested in discussing Chemtrails.

discuss and debate are two different things shitoga...

a discussion can be achieved with only one perspective...

a debate requires two different perspectives...

there is no debate currently or on going in the chemtrails forum...

and not much of one beforehand either...

so...

hope you enjoyed the lesson there shitoga...

posted 04-30-2003 02:05 AM            

besides change is good...it would not bother me a bit, to not ever talk chemtrails again...

and the bartender here just made that a little bit easier...

posted 04-30-2003 02:08 AM            

I'm only gonna do this one more time dude...it really means little at this point...

what analyzed particulates ?

what patent info ?

posted 04-30-2003 09:00 AM            

it is painfully obvious that this whole dang board is really about people who are evading truth and facts on one level or another to maintain their pre-conceived notions of reality, ....

I say very few people here have gone so far as to erase all their posts in a childish pique when someone challenged *their* pre-conceived notions. The proofs in the pudding, Dunkeraoo.

posted 04-30-2003 01:09 PM               

Truth matters, it's merely difficult to come by unless you have hours of time to research so pull up a chair (check for cacti first) and let's debate a while, it's the best chance we have at the moment!