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Fastwalker
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832 posts, Mar 2003

posted 05-07-2003 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech...amazingly enough, you just missed my point and made my point at the same time. Without me elaborating too much, just examine these following quotes (from you) and then re-examine what my point was and see if you get it;

quote:
FW:"now people like Mech and Shatoga are claiming this is an intrusion on freedom."
IT IS an intrusion on freedom! Are you BLIND?
If the FBI did their job, they could have stopped it.

Note here that Mech is asking for the FBI to do their job….Ok, that’s what the homeland security agency is designed to facilitate…

quote:
So folks, Fastwalker says give all of your constitutional rights up or the boogymen are going to get you.

I didn’t say this. Again we have another example of Mech’s capacity for spin, lies and deception. Is the implication here that Mech now is saying that he doesn’t want Bush to prevent terrorism because the boogiemen are imaginary? This precisely contradicts Mech’s previous statement that the FBI should have done their job. Well if the boogiemen are imaginary, then why do we need the FBI to do their job?

Let us continue to examine the fallacy of Mech’s statements……



quote:
Someone named JOHN O' NEILL in the FBI was working on it but he was told..by some of Bush's cabinet to get out of Yemen and off of the trail of the Al Qaida network. This is what they want to keep secret folks.

Completely unsubstantiated claim…


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Of course some of us KNOW that this was intentional. The Bush administration knew what was going on and they let it happen.

Witness draws conclusion without benefit of factual evidence.

quote:
Now we have a gigantic, EXPENSIVE tyrannical "homeland" security administration that is moving forward an orwellian police state and keep files on every American.

This may be a bit exaggerated, but I agree to some extent. I think that the homeland security act should be limited to keeping files on potential terrorists…not every American. I believe it is over ambitious and should be scaled back, especially in light of potential abuse by a corrupt future administration.

quote:
Are YOU going to trust the government to define what a "terrorist" is?

As long as the definition is kept simple and specific…and easily interpretable…

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The Patriot Act is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and Bush's signing of it is an impeachable offense.

If this is an impeachable offence, then we must impeach congress for creating the legislation and we mush impeach the Judicial branch for allowing UNCONSTITUTIONAL legislation to stand…and we must impeach all past presidents for signing any legislation that had unconstitutional elements in it. There you go….All three branches of the US government are impeachable. Let’s throw em all out…


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Mech
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posted 05-07-2003 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Let’s throw em all out…"

That's a good idea.

Let's try a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL republic.

Not a neo-banana republic run by sons of senators and presidents...by and for global corporations.

Just get a big proverbial firehose and clean it all up.

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posted 05-07-2003 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Time To Forget About Figureheads

By Paul Joseph Watson

This month marks the 49th annual meeting of the Bilderberg Group, a semi-secret organisation that, according to a 2001 Reuters report, groomed both Bill Clinton and Tony Blair before they became world leaders. Leaked reports from last year’s meeting stated that the war in Iraq had been delayed until March 2003 at a time when everyone was expecting the attack to be launched that summer.

Count up the amount of independent citizens who have attempted to snoop or protest at a Bilderberg meeting since 1954 and they

will be heavily outnumbered by any one of this year’s anti-war protests. A few weeks ago I was talking to a left-winger who had attended several of these anti-war marches. I was trying to explain to her that George Bush was just a figurehead and if we are to make any visible difference then we need to focus on the real powerbrokers. She responded by saying, ‘you’re probably right, but it’s fun to make jokes about George Bush’. From that throwaway dismissal we can understand the failings of the left. They pose no threat to the New World Order because they are largely uninformed, attract little credibility by their own behaviour (public sick protests for example), and are obsessed by trying to bring down paper tigers that the establishment deliberately distract them with. Myopic liberals are better off staying at home because they don’t realize that it takes intelligence and not sheer numbers to activate political power.

People in the freedom movement always complain about how little mainstream coverage Bilderberg receives. Fair enough, we know the big news outlets are controlled and will never report on Bilderberg (by order of David Rockefeller). But what about the mid-level and local media? They are largely only interested in stories that sell newspapers or attract viewers. If you make it into a story then they will pick it up. Last year’s conference in Chantilly Virginia represented a great opportunity to organize a substantial protest on U.S. soil but the chance was wasted. Getting information from this month’s Paris conference will again be solely down to Jim Tucker. Tucker isn’t going to be around forever.

You need to form small grassroots organizations, put websites up, collect donations and be able to arrange trips at short notice to cover these annual meetings. At the very least, bombard the desk of your local paper’s political editor with E Mails, faxes and phone calls. Hundreds of global leaders in all sectors of society meeting in secret and you have the exclusive story? Sounds like a scoop that a real journalist wouldn’t dare turn down.

In a broader sense it is time to shift our approach to fighting the Globalists. Of course we need to continue educating those who are new to this information and repetition is always necessary. But instead of persevering with morons who will never wake up we need to petition the media more than ever, not with hot air and conspiracy theories but with hard facts and documented evidence. The left represents a sleeping giant. To awaken the giant we need to discourage liberals from their incessant obsession with corporate crime and good old boy corruption – this is not the head of the beast. Groups like Bilderberg represent the head of the beast.

Linked below are contact details for a list of mainly left-wing media activist groups. Ask them if they’ll be highlighting the complete lack of mainstream media Bilderberg coverage this year.

Media Activism Groups - http://www.fair.org/affiliates.html

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posted 05-07-2003 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FASCISM OR COMMUNISM.? IT'S ALL COMMAND AND CONTROL.

HOW THE NWO GIVES YOU FALSE CHOICES


Imperium the Foe of the NWO

By James Hall

Sincere and serious scholars understand the deception and untruth of the linear political spectrum, Marxism on the Left and Fascism on the Right. Those who recognize Hegelian fraud for its mendacity, understand that the only difference between Communism and Nazism is their packaging. Both are one in the same - Totalitarianism. History and politics can only be accurately understood, if the hoax of diametrically opposed authoritarian regimes are exposed for what they are; namely, siblings of despotism.


Many observers have a mistaken perception of Francis Parker Yockey. They may have heard of his foremost treatise, Imperium; but few have read it or understand its value. Most readily and ardently accept Kevin Coogan's viewpoint of Yockey as being an international fascist. As is the usual practice, few delve into the source writing in order to evaluate its merits or confirm its failures. For this reason a brief analysis may shed insight for today’s relevance of “Ulick Varange”.

The pan-European movement is alive and well. The majority in the United States, regard continental Europeans as simply anti-American. For those who’s reading and grasp of DECLINE OF THE WEST by Oswald Spengler, is lacking or non existent, Yockey would be an enigma. So consider the synopsis of Spengler written by Egon Friedell in his A Cultural History of the Modern Age: What Spengler gives us in his two volumes is the "outlines of a morphology of history." He sees, in place of the "monotonous picture of linear world-history" the "phenomenon of a plurality of mighty Cultures." "Each Culture has its own new possibilities of self-expression, which arise, ripen, decay and never return. There is not one sculpture, one painting, one mathematic, one physics, but many, each in its deepest essence different from the others, each limited in duration and self-contained, just as each species of plant has its peculiar blossom or fruit, its special type of growth and decline. These Cultures, sublimated life-essences, grow with the same superb aimlessness as the flowers of the field." Spengler’s deference for our Western cultural organism is essential.

While the defense of Western Culture and Civilization is a exercise for only the bold, the few, the brave and the courageous, Yockey may well present a model for the task. From “The Proclamation of London 1949 of the European Liberation Front”, Yockey presented a brief summary of the most crucial ideas and historical issues such as The Unity of Western Culture, The Age of Materialism, Class War, Social Degeneration, and The Destruction of the Political Unity of Europe. With the aftermath of the Second World War, he saw that Europe was now dominated by a secret cabal of materialist gangsters who sought to plunder our historic land mass for its own ends.

“These conspirators saw Europe “as a source of booty for extra-European forces; Europe as a reservoir of man-power for the disposition of the American generalate; Europe as a loan-market for the New York financier; Europe as a beggar-colony watching for crumbs from the table of rich America; Europe as an historical sight for visiting colonials, a place where once there were great happenings; Europe as a museum, a mausoleum; Europe as a moribund collection of petty-states and squabbling peoples; Europe as an economic mad-house where every tiny unit is against each other; Europe as a backward population waiting for re-education by the American world-clown and the sadistic Jew; Europe, as a laboratory for gigantic social experiments by Moscow and for the genocide experimentation of New York and Tel Aviv; Europe as a Black Mass of scaffold-trials, backward-looking persecution, treason, terror, despair and suicide.”

Americans have been taught to view the European theater in WWII as a moral crusade against Fascism. In reality the conflict wholly achieved the triumph of the globalists. Their creature - International Marxism - was saved and then expanded. Yockey has it right when he concludes: “The fact is that only American intervention in the Second World War prevented Europe from completely destroying Bolshevik Russia, as a political unit.”

Today, history is written from the Marxist standpoint of economics, linear progress and class warfare. The originators, designers and masterminds of NWO Totalitarianism, in every and all forms, succeeded in transforming the United States into the great defender on the “International” . . . The necessity to inflict multiculturalism as the categorical reducing and retarding leveler, results in the demise of Western Civilization. Denying that the tribe is the essential community element, is the foremost fraud that underpins contrived and manufactured emotional guilt, parity and self-admonishment. The controllers of the mythical mass colorless race and congenial culture, that drives assimilation into the world community - must destroy the uniqueness of every group - to squeeze the shackles of bondage, under the new age society of the New World Order.

Bo Gritz presents his views regarding Yockey’s main points: The history of Western civilization can be traced through a great triadic development.

(I) The original thesis was Western unity as seen in the Crusades, Empires, and Papacy which continued to the middle of the 18th Century.

(II) The Antithesis was the period of political Nationalism, which accompanied Materialism and led people to believe that nations produce Culture, instead of the reverse. Most of today’s national leadership, e.g., Bill Clinton is willing to betray their nations into bondage to extra-Western forces, United Nations, rather than join a united Western organism.

(III) The Synthesis (our future) is an amalgam of political globalism (195 countries, 185 members of the UN) with common resources served by minions for the benefit of an elite.

Imperium presents the case for a vigorous defense and alliance of Western Societies for the defense and preservation of their common heritage. “Marx gave to the conspiratorial Culture Distorter the necessary ideological mask to hide its mission of ruthless, total destruction. He provided an ugly and invalid theory of man, cloaked in putrifying equality, mewling hypocrisy, the disease of undiscriminating altruism and the "science" of economics. By so doing, he thrilled the rationalists with a totally specious verity, something their stunted, guilty souls desperately needed after they killed God.” Yockey offers the counter thesis that opposes these Globalists and the Prison Planet that is their ultimate goal.

Francis Parker Yockey died a political prisoner, the guest of the U.S. government in a San Francisco Jail. But his pseudonym, Ulick Varange still lives . . .

Ulick is an Irish given name, derived from Danish, and means "reward of the mind." Varange, of course, refers to the Varangians, that far-roving band of Norse heroes led by Rurik who, upon invitation from the Slavs, came to civilize Russia in the 9th Century, built the Russian Imperial State and formed the gifted and handsome Russian aristocracy until they were butchered by the Bolsheviks -- along with some 20 million other Christians and Moslems -- in that bloody terror. The name, therefore, drawn as it is from the Eastern and Western antipodes of Europe, signifies a Europe united "from the rocky promontories of Galway to the Urals," as he, himself, exhorts. Finally, the surname, Varange, by itself signifies the Western origin of historic Russia.

The essential America of its founding was drawn from European stock and based upon Western heritage. The chronicle of the last century demonstrates the abandonment of that tradition and the intermingling of races and cultures - resulting in a defective pluralism. The politics of hope that enacted the Bill of Rights has been traded for the dread of Leon Trotsky. The emergence of the Khazars deceived America and pushed this once proud country into the camp of the global commissar village. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Japanese militarism sought national and regional empires. Trotsky professed the goal of total world domination. The Fascism of the Axis, while cruel and unforgiving, lacked the ability to conquer the world. The Soviets and Maoists lacked the economic paradigm to annex the globe. But the amalgamation of American technology and military muscle with global finance, orchestrated propaganda and media culture; based upon the reverie of the New World Order, has the power to achieve the ultimate incarnate evil.

While the United States has the predominance of influence, the league of co-conspirators and sympathizers for the world tyranny community are not lacking. Yockey recognized the impact of modern technology and the danger of international hyperpower. With the abnegation of America’s heritage, the inheritance from our forefathers has been betrayed. Yockey’s prescription is to revive Western Civilization, among and for Europeans and their American cousins. For this, the supreme sin against Trotsky - the patron saint of neocons - Yockey is smeared as a Fascist. The march into slavery is directed by the Globalist. For exposing the enemy, Yockey is condemned. Only Liberty, a Western concept, is the alternative to despotism. Expect those who defend it to be cast as “Enemies of the State”.

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Fastwalker
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posted 05-07-2003 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
"Let’s throw em all out…"
That's a good idea.

Let it hereby be known that Mech wants to throw out all three branches of US government.....the government of the constitution of the United States. Here we see a glimpse into Mech's true objective, and hatred for the US system of government. Makes a person wonder what constitutional government Mech would rather see replace it.

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Mech
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posted 05-07-2003 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's review.

Fastwalker sez: All three branches of the US government are impeachable. Let’s throw em all out…


Mech said: "That's a good idea."

"Let's try a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL republic."

"Not a neo-banana republic run by sons of senators and presidents...by and for global corporations."


"Just get a big proverbial firehose and clean it all up."


This makes me "hate America"?

Bull$#!+ Fastwalker.

I think I love America MORE than you do.

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Fastwalker
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posted 05-08-2003 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was being sarcastic to make a point Mech...Maybe sarcasm doesn't translate well to type.

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shatoga
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posted 05-08-2003 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech:
>Now we have a gigantic, EXPENSIVE tyrannical "homeland" security administration that is moving forward an orwellian police state and keep files on every American.<

FW:
>This may be a bit exaggerated, but I agree to some extent. I think that the homeland security act should be limited to keeping files on potential terrorists…not every American. I believe it is over ambitious and should be scaled back, especially in light of potential abuse by a corrupt future administration.<

The corrupt administration in power right now
is keeping track of every call, fax, e-mail
and flying spy planes over American cities, (Ashcroft has admitted) holding over a thousand people incommunicado & has a list of Liberals (Green Party activists etc.) who are not allowed to fly.

-----cut & paste to irritate those who hate the truth: http://www.msnbc.com/news/671981.asp?cp1=1
>“Magic Lantern,” would allow the FBI to plant a Trojan horse keystroke logger on a target’s personal computer by sending a computer virus over the Internet< http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0222/hentoff.php
>Already, as Reuters reported last December 12, the FBI has asked "Internet service providers to install technology in their networks that allows officials to secretly read e-mails of criminal investigation targets." That molestation of privacy was called "Carnivore." But the FBI has developed an even more insidious device to obtain "the most intimate occurrences of the home"—and office.
Beware of "The Magic Lantern." Under the "sneak and peek" provision of the USA Patriot Act, pushed through Congress by John Ashcroft, the FBI, with a warrant, can break into your home and office when you're not there and, on the first trip, look around. They can examine your hard drive, snatch files, and plant the Magic Lantern on your computer. It's also known as the "sniffer keystroke logger."
Jim Dempsey, deputy director of the Washington-based Center for Democracy and Technology, tells me that you have to be remarkably computer-savvy to detect the presence of the Magic Lantern in some crevice in your computer.
Once installed, the Magic Lantern creates a record of every time you press a key on the computer. It's all saved in plain text, and during the FBI's next secret visit to your home or office, that information is downloaded as the agents also pick up whatever other records and papers they find of interest.
Dempsey, who has been my guide to increasingly invasive technology for years, points out that this new version of J. Edgar Hoover's "black bag jobs" is not subject to the "sunset" clause of the USA Patriot Act, which requires Congress to review in four years much of the rest of that law to see if Ashcroft went too far in dismantling the Constitution. These legal break-ins, including the use of the Magic Lantern, are not limited to investigations of terrorism but are now part of regular criminal investigations.
By the way, in case you might be just musing at the computer—typing in thoughts or theories you don't intend to send—the Magic Lantern will capture those strokes, too. <
>Reuters also has reported that the Magic Lantern would allow "the agency [the FBI] to plant a Trojan horse keystroke logger on a target's PC by sending a computer virus over the Internet, rather than require physical access to the computer as is now the case."
The Reuters December 12 story quotes the FBI as claiming the Magic Lantern "is a workbench project" that has not yet been deployed. But I have a copy of a May 8, 1999, application to a United States District Court in New Jersey from a U.S. Attorney in that state at the time, Faith Hochberg. It authorizes a "surreptitious entry" to search and seize "encryption key related pass phrases from [a] computer by installing a specialized computer program . . . which will allow the Government to read and interpret data that was previously seized pursuant to a search warrant."
The application also asks permission for the FBI or its delegated entities to enter the location "surreptitiously, covertly, and by breaking and entering, if necessary"—and "as many times as may be necessary to install, maintain and remove the software, firmware or hardware."
So a precursor of the Magic Lantern was in use back then—under Clinton's FBI—and it is Jim Dempsey's belief, and mine, that the state-of-the-art Magic Lantern is now in the field, among us. The FBI already told Reuters in December that it uses keystroke loggers. So beware of what you stroke. <

(the above referenced articles are over a year old)
Zieg...

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Fastwalker
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posted 05-08-2003 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
-----cut & paste to irritate those who hate the truth:

Actually I love the truth...let me know when you find it. Hate cut and paste though....try links.

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theseeker
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posted 05-08-2003 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gotta luv how shitoga rather forwardly runs his liberal titty's over you...reminiscent of sceptic....

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Fastwalker
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posted 05-08-2003 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liberal titties, eh? Now there's a disturbing image..

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theseeker
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posted 05-08-2003 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no...titty's....with a "Y" and yes very distrubing....

when discussing vermin...I have to revert to down home terminology and spelling...

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Image of elephants walking their usual follow the leader single file;
each holding another's tail with his trunk

Suddenly it becomes clear..yuck!
http://www.lcr.org/

Here & I thought youse guys was just a
circle of jerks.



[Edited 2 times, lastly by shatoga on 05-08-2003]

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theseeker
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posted 05-08-2003 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
image of shitoga desparately wringing hands to white knuckle status constantly...comes to mind...

you ought to see the lighting here...

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Fastwalker
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posted 05-08-2003 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has nothing to do with anything...I just thought it was cool...(speaking of lightning}

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posted 05-08-2003 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
right now...

cool pic

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posted 05-09-2003 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But getting back on topic (amazing how some people call ME "spammer")...


NEOCON BIG GOVERNMENT TROTSKYITES WANT A NEW WORLD ORDER.

(Yes..they are admittting it.)

YES..TURNING AMERICA INTO A DIRTY MILITARY DICTATORSHIP.

Neoconservatives push for a new world order

By DICK POLMAN
Knight Ridder Newspapers
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/5773710.htm


WASHINGTON - For seven long years, Bill Kristol agitated for a U.S. coup against Saddam Hussein, and argued that America should remake the world to serve its own interests. Few bothered to listen at the time. So how does he feel now?

In his office the other day, he grinned without smirking. That's how most of the hawkish defense intellectuals - better known as neoconservatives - are behaving these days. Although they're sitting pretty in wartime Washington, they're trying not to preen.

Kristol refuses to strut his stuff, because he knows how fast the high and mighty can be brought low in this town; after all, he was once Vice President Dan Quayle's chief of staff. Still, he can't resist contending that Sept. 11 made all the "neocons" look like prophets.

"We saw, earlier than most people, that the world was very dangerous, that America's drift during the `90s was very dangerous," he said Wednesday at the Weekly Standard, the Rupert Murdoch-financed magazine he edits that promotes the neocon credo. "We were alarmed; we tried to call attention to all that. So I don't want to say we feel vindicated, but we do feel our ....


BLAH BLAH...


YES...WE LOVE TURNING AMERICA INTO A GIANT NUVEAU VERSION OF HITLER'S GERMANY.


ANYTHING FOR THE GLOBALISTS

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NWO =RNC and 'King George the first' said so



[Edited 2 times, lastly by shatoga on 05-12-2003]

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Never accuse Republicans of not being capable of long term planning!

In 1967 Republican Senators supported the AFDC
Aid For Dependent Chikldren Act by including a provision that any family with an "unemployed male in residence" woould be exempt from assistance.

Men left their families to allow their women and children to qualify for federal support.
In 1994, Republicans argued that Welfare "AFDC" breaks up families by encoureging men to abandon their families.
(so those families could collect welfare. AFDC)
Carter had the
airmarshall program.

cops armed with .44cal shot loads were on airliners to prevent hijackings.

Liddy Dole ended the airmarshall program in 1981.

Thus in 2001 there were no armed cops in place to resist the hijackings that so well benefitted the Bush administration's desire to suspend the US Constitution. (after 9/11 was enabled to occur)

'Argue facts, not rhetoric.

Bush (the lesser) et al- LIHOP

Let It Happen On Purpose

So they could end liberty inAmerica to enable a right wing dictatorship.

Kill me to shut me up!

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posted 05-10-2003 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The NWO controlled liberals are just as guilty Shatoga. I harp on Bush a lot because he is a complete phony. He is just window dressing,not much else.

The greater evil are the ones who CONTROL him.

The international bankers, bilderbergers, rothschilds and all the other globalists.

A yuppie Gore face in the oval office wouldn't be much different. The game would be played different that's all.

Any way you slice it. The implosion of our Constitutional Republic will continue. Most likely untill there is a complete clean up of federal and state government and a return to the gold standard, abolishment of the IRS, constitutional law 110% restored.

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Well you aren't going to get it Mech, atleast I for sure hope not. Now sit down, stop complaining, and ride it out. You think you know what's best, you don't.

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Mech, shitoga and all other paranoids here may want to get one of these.....
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html


I think it would fit their pea brains perfect and reflect all those bad thoughts right back where they came from

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posted 05-10-2003 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChemCaptain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hah that's classic PV

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posted 05-11-2003 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Radical spy plan nearly sneaks in under the radar

By ROBYN E. BLUMNER, Times Perspective Columnist


© St. Petersburg Times
published May 11, 2003
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/05/11/Columns/Radical_spy_plan_near.shtml


It all happened behind closed doors, like government mischief typically does. The Bush administration and Republican leaders in Congress attempted to sneak through a provision in the intelligence authorization bill pending before Congress that would give the Central Intelligence Agency and the military the ability to investigate Americans.

Word of the pending amendment was brought to light last week through a leak to a public interest organization. (Thank you, whoever you are.) The amendment would allow the CIA and Pentagon to issue administrative subpoenas or national security letters to order businesses such as telephone and credit card companies and financial institutions to turn over their records on customers - all without court approval.

Up until passage of the USA Patriot Act in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, the FBI could use national security letters under highly circumscribed conditions: to obtain information for counterterrorism or counterespionage investigations only when there was reason to believe the person whose records were sought was a foreign agent or terrorist. But the Patriot Act wiped away those specificity and suspicion requirements. Now the FBI can demand whole databases of records on every customer without any individual suspicion as long as it is in the context of an authorized antiterrorism or intelligence probe. That means all our credit card data, Internet logs and other records are there for the taking upon the signature of the attorney general or his designee.

According to published reports of a private Senate Intelligence Committee meeting on May 1, when Democrats were alerted to the measure expanding this authority to the CIA and the military they objected and it was pulled from the bill.

Though the CIA now says it is no longer pursuing the power, the New York Times reported that Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has indicated he doesn't intend to let the matter drop.

Giving law enforcement the ability to conduct a search of personal records without judicial oversight is problematic enough in the hands of the FBI. But the notion that it should be offered to two institutions that do not generally operate within constitutional constraints is so patently ignorant of the checks built into our system of limited government that it is hard to believe the proposal wasn't just a bad joke.

As flagrantly irresponsible as Bush and his inner circle have been relative to the separation of powers, they have to know it is sacrosanct to American liberty to keep both the CIA and the military from intelligence gathering on our soil. As Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies, says, "the whole point of the CIA is to operate outside the law." You remember, don't you? Assassination attempts, supporting military coups to protect overseas business interests and markets, a network of spies with no warrants required.

When the CIA was created in 1947 it was purposely given a wide berth to operate overseas, but as a safety valve for American freedom it was prohibited from engaging in internal security or law enforcement functions. Protections such as barring the CIA from exercising subpoena power were put in place in part because Harry S. Truman was concerned about creating another Gestapo.

Similarly, constraints on the military were established to keep it from becoming a tool of repression for the federal government. The armed forces have been explicitly prohibited from engaging in law enforcement since 1878 under the Reconstruction-era Posse Comitatus Act. Former Georgia congressman Bob Barr, a Republican and persistent opponent of mingling the military with police work, puts the reason bluntly: "When we send the Marines overseas we don't have them carry a copy of the Miranda rights."

The military seems to have absorbed this vital distinction. Ken McClellan, a Defense Department spokesman, said all domestic intelligence gathering is referred to the Justice Department. And as to giving the military access to national security letters, McClellan said as far as he knows "no one from here drafted that language."

It seems the desire for this additional authority came from the CIA and the administration. If so, it is an astounding admission that the CIA and the FBI are still not cooperating in a way that was demanded after Sept. 11.

Jim Dempsey, executive director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, notes that the CIA claims it needs this power because the FBI isn't acting quickly enough to get it information or isn't sharing information. "And yet that was one of the fundamental failings identified that contributed to 9/11, and one of the fundamental reforms was breaking down the wall (between the agencies.)"

Remarkably, says Dempsey, the response is not to fix the problem but to codify it. Giving the CIA the capacity to get its own information will virtually ensure that the turf-protective culture within each intelligence agency will be perpetuated - a response that clearly makes us less safe.

There is hope within the civil liberties community that we've seen the last of this untenable idea in the near term. But who knows what the other side is capable of? Our leaders almost unleashed the CIA and military on Americans during a closed-door meeting with no public debate. Thank goodness for the watchdogs and the brave members of Congress who forced a retreat. Where would we be without them.

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FEMA: THE MINISTRY OF LOVE

FEMA - The Secret Government

By Harry V. Martin with research assistance from David Caul

Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995

Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.

Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome powers grow under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.

THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, few people know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army.

FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed. Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."

FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:

* the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;

* the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;

* the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and

* the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.

These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

HURRICANE ANDREW FOCUSED ATTENTION ON FEMA

FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes, director of the Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The World and I, "...The eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of dropping the ball in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $1.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Yet fewer than 20 members of Congress , only members with top security clearance, know of the $1.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA has worked on National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency, has secretly spent millions of dollars before being merged into FEMA by President Carter in 1979.

FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief.

FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA's extraordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, such as demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property of those suspected of being drug dealers, to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial.

Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation. Once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. But under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking martial law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cites simultaneously, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.

THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY

In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Director Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States. The immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at military bases throughout the country.

REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert Storm was enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to draft new legislation to increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements incorporated into the plan was to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of local or state authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the past. Much of the mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost the bankrupt economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession.

The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area, thus preventing a pretext for a FEMA response.

On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new goals. The goal was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number 52 issued in August 1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell Disturbances."

The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt. Col. North virtually established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the Attorney General prevented the plans from being adopted. But intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. It is believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's concepts, delayed by criticism but never truly abandoned.

The crisis, as the government now see it, is civil unrest. For generations, the government was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive demonstrations that surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the direction of emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana Raynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA today and the public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James Madison's worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American's enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy."

The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to martial law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency.

The most shining example of America to the world has been its peaceful transition of government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great magnitude, the United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now stands on the threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional powers. Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared. For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended.

The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are generally found in the society today, economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist attacks, and protests against American intervention in a foreign country. All these premises exist, it could only be a matter of time in which one of these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into action, and then it may be too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored.

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