posted 05-15-2003 01:17 PM            

The only one of you (who replied to this thread) who I consider valid is MECH.

well that and a quarter will get you a hot steaming cup of jack squat !

>>hornblower<< (insert beavis and butthead laugh here)

europe has had thousands of years to make a utopia...and just now they decided on a standard currency....

posted 05-16-2003 12:47 AM            

From my own "Amerikan" culture, you people remind me of a) Travis Bickel, and b) Fred Flintstone.

europe has had thousands of years to make a utopia...and just now they decided on a standard currency....

losers

Europe is comprised of many countries whereas yours is just one. That we have pooled together and adopted a standard currency (euro) and not the dollar doesn't bother me one bit. What do you expect? That they become another Amerikan territory? (like Iraq). I hear that your almighty dollar is now their currency as well.

posted 05-16-2003 12:53 AM            

get it ?

why would europe go to the dollar ?

posted 05-16-2003 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Fastwalker:
People with attitudes like yours turn this country into a shithole. However, I have a better solution than locking them up. That takes tax payer dollars. I say round illegals up and kick them out. Then have a four year moratorium on legal immigration until we can fix or replace the INS and seal up the borders to keep leeches on society like you out.

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posted 05-16-2003 01:03 AM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
you insult all Americans when you insert the "k" where the "c" goes...
get it ?
why would europe go to the dollar ?
betcha england don't go euro...

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How about Americkans? .. or Ameri-Indians?
Hey, that good : You are a Merry Indian!

..and sure, the English will go Euro - they have no choice.

posted 05-16-2003 01:16 AM            

as far as the brits we'll find out june 9th won't we....

I'm trying to figure this out if I snapped my fingers and all of europe disappeared...

would it affect me at all...

got it...

NO

posted 05-16-2003 02:37 AM            

Who is GOD? Well, obviously an American by the way you speak

posted 05-16-2003 02:39 AM            

read your Bible...infandel....

posted 05-16-2003 03:28 AM            

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Who is GOD? Well, obviously an American by the way you speak

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Well, I’m in a poetic mood, so let me just say… we render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God which is God's...and this is certainly a nation under God and designed with His inspiration in mind…(I know because it says “in God we trust” on all the money) and it is by no means perfect. But even in it’s imperfection, it is the best system of self-government that mankind has yet devised on Earth.

So yes, in the sense that America was founded under the principals of God and strives to accentuate the general good in human nature, I would say God is an American (at heart), because American is generally a force for good in the world, it‘s laws based largely on biblical principals....Of course, any man made kingdom or modern Camelot can only approximate and attempt to strive for some semblance of the kingdom of God....but it is highly doubtful it will ever come close. There will be many thousands of times when we fail because we are, after all, human (we elected Clinton, didn’t we?). If there is a nation on Earth that has come closest though...it would have to be America.

posted 05-16-2003 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
the United States is the promised land....

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Watch it, your petticoat is showing!

Here's an article about your God-fearing nation and the people who run it. If you're not able to get Ru$$ian sites, let me know and I'll post it here.

http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=5995&lang=en

posted 05-16-2003 07:47 AM            

What you seem to assume is that your government is actually representing YOU and is based on sound principles, as originally laid out in the Bible. This is not so. Whether Klingon or Push, the only issue they care about is the economy. It's similar to getting a degree in philosophy and not being able to use it's teachings in real life.

posted 05-16-2003 10:43 AM            

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Ok Fastwalker, I'll grant you your right to free speech. I don't agree with your comparison of the USA to God's promised land [as also mentioned by the seeker] and find you quite bias about where you live.

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Of course I'm biased. America IS the promised land....but America is as much an idea as it is a place.

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(Have you travelled to other countries and perhaps lived in them?)

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No....But I'm sure there are many nice places and the people are great...If I could travel anywhere though, I'd probably go to Hawaii or Tahiti...Maybe the Bahamas. (I'm more of an Island type guy)

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What you seem to assume is that your government is actually representing YOU and is based on sound principles, as originally laid out in the Bible. This is not so.

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It actually is representing me. This is a representative Republic or Democracy. We hire and fire the people that represent us, every four years by way of vote. This government was indeed founded upon the laws and principles laid out in the Bible. In fact....the ten commandments was a large part of the inspiration for our legal system. You'll still find plaques with the ten commandments engraved on it in courts today. This was a nation founded by very religious people escaping tyranny, coming to a place where they could practice that religion in freedom. America actually was founded by Christians under the principals of Christianity. There is no separation of church and state clause in the US constitution, by the way.

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Whether Klingon or Push, the only issue they care about is the economy.

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They who? Actually....I'd like it if my representatives in congress cared about the economy. Some don't. Bush's main platform or issue has actually been national security and the war on terrorism...however polls show that people would like him to be more concerned with the economy now that he seems to have a handle on terrorism (no small feat, btw). In some ways Bush is a victim of his own success. People can only focus their concern on the economy due to the outstanding success so far in this war on terrorism. Again, here we have a representative, Bush, who is doing a pretty good job of representing my concerns in both areas…..however, I‘d like to see him focus more on cutting government waste and spending programs as well.

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It's similar to getting a degree in philosophy and not being able to use it's teachings in real life.

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What is? Maybe this is true of your government…. In America we get to choose our representatives (those who most closely represent our philosophy) every four years.

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It's nice however to see that you are softening up a bit.

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posted 05-16-2003 10:52 AM            

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Starting when? Would you like the world to be speaking with ze Germans, or perhaps you'll go for a little Ruskie with a hammer and sickle.

No, I won't go as far as saying the world "Owes" us, because it is in the past, but the lack of respect is sickening.

posted 05-16-2003 12:45 PM            

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But, sheople, it's not about countries and borders and bullshit loyalties to lying philosophies, it's about us versus them, the common people versus the ruling elite.

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What lying philosophies? Are you talking about the philosophies of Hobbes, Locke and Hume and the philosophies which formed the basis for the constitution of the United States? Or maybe it's the concept of freedom? After all, freedom is essentially illusion. For example, in the human mind there is a vast difference between a man who is forced to pick cotton at the end of a whip and a man who picks cotton to earn a paycheck…. A huge difference in perception, yet the same reality. Freedom then, is little more than perception...Is philosophy based upon this illusion of freedom one of the lying philosophies you are talking about, then?

And as for this “ruling elite” business, maybe you haven’t heard. In a representative government, such as America, the people are the ruling elite. They choose their representative. Therefore, there is no "us VS, them" relationship. If we don't like the job they are doing, we simply vote them out of office. We as a people are well represented then, because we get what we vote for. The real battle is the difference in philosophy between voting citizens.

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The sooner everyone sees it the better.

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Why? So you won't feel so alone in your delusions and distortions of reality?

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George Washington didn't wear a butcher's apron for nothing.

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Wake up and see the damn lies that this shit matrix is made up of, before you become a screeching flea on the back of the NWO elephant.

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posted 05-16-2003 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by ChemCaptain:
Without the USA the world would be a better place.

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Starting when? Would you like the world to be speaking with ze Germans, or perhaps you'll go for a little Ruskie with a hammer and sickle.

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I'll speak with anyone who makes sense. You don't.

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No, I won't go as far as saying the world "Owes" us, because it is in the past, but the lack of respect is sickening.

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You were wrong to enter I-raq. Losers.

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What is more sickening is the distorted view people like you have on America. You don't even live here, you just have your stereotypes.

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posted 05-16-2003 01:49 PM            

I can't say many people on this board make sense. Especially liberals who have no idea what they are talking about. The german statement was about the Nazis, the Russian statement was about the Cold war. I also said that these were in the past... but to disregard them is saddening.

"You were wrong to enter I-raq. Losers."

We would have been right to enter if we were still under Clinton, right?

I didn't hear anyone complaining during Operation Desert Fox.

It's all media perception.

" I mentioned before, I have no desire to live in Amerika. You can keep it. I've been to your country 5-6 times. You sorta catch on pretty quick how things work and how the people tick."

I have to honestly ask why you even came so much if we are such a bad nation. If it took 5-6 visits to 'catch on', that doesn't seem pretty quick.

posted 05-16-2003 02:03 PM            

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"You were wrong to enter I-raq. Losers."

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Seems like we won that one. Saddam is gone. The world wins....That's pretty self-evident.

posted 05-16-2003 02:42 PM            

So that you can stomp on it? Make sure that it doesn't measure up to your hi standards?

No, I don't think so. You guys/gals are so toxic in the head, you'd probably spray us with chemtrails!

posted 05-16-2003 03:07 PM            

I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world

By Margaret Drabble
(Filed: 08/05/2003)
http://opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/05/08/do0801.xml

I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected.

My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me, like a disease. It rises up in my throat like acid reflux, that fashionable American sickness. I now loathe the United States and what it has done to Iraq and the rest of the helpless world.

I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny.

I was tipped into uncontainable rage by a report on Channel 4 News about "friendly fire", which included footage of what must have been one of the most horrific bombardments ever filmed. But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth.

It is grotesque. It is hideous. This great and powerful nation bombs foreign cities and the people in those cities from Disneyland cartoon planes out of comic strips. This is simply not possible. And yet, there they were.

Others have written eloquently about the euphemistic and affectionate names that the Americans give to their weapons of mass destruction: Big Boy, Little Boy, Daisy Cutter, and so forth.

We are accustomed to these sobriquets; to phrases such as "collateral damage" and "friendly fire" and "pre-emptive strikes". We have almost ceased to notice when suicide bombers are described as "cowards". The abuse of language is part of warfare. Long ago, Voltaire told us that we invent words to conceal truths. More recently, Orwell pointed out to us the dangers of Newspeak.

But there was something about those playfully grinning warplane faces that went beyond deception and distortion into the land of madness. A nation that can allow those faces to be painted as an image on its national aeroplanes has regressed into unimaginable irresponsibility. A nation that can paint those faces on death machines must be insane.

There, I have said it. I have tried to control my anti-Americanism, remembering the many Americans that I know and respect, but I can't keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication, I detest Coca-Cola, I detest burgers, I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.

I detest American imperialism, American infantilism, and American triumphalism about victories it didn't even win.

On April 29, 2000, I switched on CNN in my hotel room and, by chance, saw an item designed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam war. The camera showed us a street scene in which a shabby elderly Vietnamese man was seen speaking English and bartering in dollars in a city that I took to be Ho Chi Minh City, still familiarly known in America by its old French colonial name of Saigon.

"The language of Shakespeare," the commentator intoned, "has conquered Vietnam." I did not note down the dialogue, though I can vouch for that sentence about the language of Shakespeare. But the word "dollar" was certainly repeated several times, and the implications of what the camera showed were clear enough.

The elderly Vietnamese man was impoverished, and he wanted hard currency. The Vietnamese had won the war, but had lost the peace.

Just leave Shakespeare and Shakespeare's homeland out of this squalid bit of revisionism, I thought at the time. Little did I then think that now, three years on, Shakespeare's country would have been dragged by our leader into this illegal, unjustifiable, aggressive war. We are all contaminated by it. Not in my name, I want to keep repeating, though I don't suppose anybody will listen.

America uses the word "democracy" as its battle cry, and its nervous soldiers gun down Iraqi civilians when they try to hold street demonstrations to protest against the invasion of their country. So much for democracy. (At least the British Army is better trained.)

America is one of the few countries in the world that executes minors. Well, it doesn't really execute them - it just keeps them in jail for years and years until they are old enough to execute, and then it executes them. It administers drugs to mentally disturbed prisoners on Death Row until they are back in their right mind, and then it executes them, too.

They call this justice and the rule of law. America is holding more than 600 people in detention in Guantánamo Bay, indefinitely, and it may well hold them there for ever. Guantánamo Bay has become the Bastille of America. They call this serving the cause of democracy and freedom.

I keep writing to Jack Straw about the so-called "illegal combatants", including minors, who are detained there without charge or trial or access to lawyers, and I shall go on writing to him and his successors until something happens. This one-way correspondence may last my lifetime. I suppose the minors won't be minors for long, although the youngest of them is only 13, so in time I shall have to drop that part of my objection, but I shall continue to protest.

A great democratic nation cannot behave in this manner. But it does. I keep remembering those words from Nineteen Eighty-Four, on the dynamics of history at the end of history, when O'Brien tells Winston: "Always there will be the intoxication of power… Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

We have seen enough boots in the past few months to last us a lifetime. Iraqi boots, American boots, British boots. Enough of boots.

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