posted 06-10-2003 02:54 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by the professor:
We are not neofascists that blindly support Bush.

If there is going to be a NWO the USA better be running it!

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Extra! Extra! Read all about it!

911 revisited:

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/passover/hollywood.html

"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past"

posted 06-10-2003 03:25 AM            

The Ron Brown or Paul Wellstone stuff could take books alone. And they have. My theory is that the Democrats had Wellstone killed...Has their MO all over it. Just look at his funeral joke...(or was that a Democrat pep rally)..to see the black souls of Demoncraps. All they care about is fundraising and power.

posted 06-10-2003 06:53 AM            

And yes he was a murdering SOB. As Bu$h is.
Bu$h sold reactor technology to N. Korea (don't make me get the articles) so in my eyes he is no different than Klinton in that respect either. Worthy of contempt.Certainly now more so than ever because of his LYING about WMD in Iraq. He has NO credibility...ZERO. Even Wolfawitz admitted the war was about oil.

posted 06-10-2003 11:15 AM               

While eating my morning victuals I was subjected to the stomach churning vision of her New York Highness being interviewed by newswhore Katie Kouric of the Propaganda Today show.
Along with her present visage we were treated to several pictures from her past, while in college, in law school after meeting Bill, her in coke bottle glasses before she was “made over” for the gazillionith time and he the resplendent young 60s Marxist with long hair and a beard.
We didn’t see those pix during any of their campaigns. Now we really know where Chelsea got her looks. They call themselves “progressives” yet they reproduced. Will the hypocrisy never cease?
Now Hitlery is trying to show her human side in her new book and the newswhores are falling all over each other to help her since a return of socialist evil to the Oval Office is what they so desire. She’s pulling it off quite well. I can hear the sheeple bleating from all parts of the land, “save us from ourselves and all those evil Liberty lovers.”
I personally hope she runs and wins. The sheeple deserve her and it will make for "interesting times."
What’s noteworthy of this particular interview is how Hitlery described her college commencement speech. She was apparently the first student to be the speaker at a Wellesley graduation, however you spell it, some northern school for big shots and practiced hoop jumpers I guess, and her words that day were, according to the newswhore, as controversial as her address.
Of course the newswhore didn’t quote from the “controversial” speech. That would muddy her highness’s path to the White House, which in true “progressive” fashion she is denying she now seeks.
Hitlery said in her defense that she was only exercising her right to “question and protest,” which are the “values this country was founded upon.”
She, as her kind often does, was telling the truth with her tongue, but in spirit she was telling the blackest lie.
Not all the Founders were perfect; some of them would have been satisfied to make George Washington king. But I feel very safe in saying that when Madison said what Lincoln, another Hitlery-type tyrant, quoted him as saying about our right to revolution, he didn’t mean Marxist or socialist revolution.
There is no “right” to destroy others' rights or to turn a collection of nation states into a socialist police state. Hitlery’s “progressivism, Liberalism,” whatever, is all about destroying human Liberty. Her effort to force socialized medicine on us during her first co-term with Bill nailed the lid down on the box of evidence against her.
Yesterday a small flock of hens on government television were just amazed that Hitlery was so disliked by so many and was treated so badly by some. “She’s a Marxist!” I kept yelling at the television, to no avail.
Some try to tell me it’s not about ideology. It’s the “New World Order,” or “the Republicans are just as bad.” Both are true statements. Both along with the Demoncrats or “globalists” if you will would be nothing without their worker bees.
Talk with the average self-proclaimed “Liberal” and they’re pretty much in favor of the same garbage as the “globalists.” Oh they might whine about “corporatism” while the global conglomerates funnel them billions to their tax free foundations and Marxist front groups but they understand the necessity of sometimes fighting with your enemies’ weapons, something most “conservatives” and “Libertarians” have yet to learn.
The Marxists among us know this is war, so they tell every necessary lie, exercise every necessary deception. Most of all they deny their own true character, or total lack thereof.
“If you call “Liberals” communists it only shows how ignorant you are,” one actually wrote me via email. I feel so ashamed and ignorant. Not.
Those in denial of the fact that the American Communist Insurgency has been and is alive and well would do well to start with these links provided in the story Mario wrote about his recent adventure to D.C.
Denying Communism, or the cute name they’re calling it now: “democracy,” or the pre-communism we live in now, really a form of fascism, in America, is like denying reality. It’s the proverbial “elephant in the living room.”
Fascism and Communism in the same paragraph? Oh now I’ve really shown my ignorance.
Of course liars, along with “Liberalism,” what you call it because your purpose is to deceive, Communism and Fascism are forms of statism, or totalitarian government. It’s not “right wing” versus “left wing” as the Ameri-Commie newswhores have tried to convince us of but statism versus Human Liberty. And it’s probably not the version of “human liberty” that Dubya mentioned in his latest State of the Union address.
I’ve been planning for some time to put up a Commie links page. It’ll have everything from the numerous to countless websites that are openly Socialist and Communist to the ones who knowingly deny their true nature to those who are in denial. Don’t wait for me, do a Google and see what you find.
Their “revolution” has been ongoing since the beginning of the Republic and it is real, regardless of what one believes about those behind it or who will truly profit from it. It is a many-splendored lie used to deceive those who support it and those who oppose it.
It was just as real to those who froze in Stalin’s Siberian death camps as it should be to the American sheeple who are forced to have a number and a “diploma” to get a job, to send their children to a government school, to get permission, if available, to defend their persons and their homes and on and on...
Denying the blackest lie won’t turn it a white lie or into the truth.

"If there be a principle that ought
not to be questioned within the United States,
it is that every man has a right to abolish
an old government and establish a new one.
This principle is not only recorded in every public archive, written in every American heart, and sealed
with the blood of a host of American martyrs,
but is the only lawful tenure by which the United States hold their existence as a nation."
James Madison, 1751-1836

posted 06-10-2003 11:51 AM               

Conspiracy Too
Monstrous To Conceive
Cognitive Dissonance
By Henry Makow, PhD
6-9-3

" The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." --J. Edgar Hoover

The world is in the malignant grip of a satanic cult.

People recoil at the suggestion but proof stares us in the face every day.
George W. Bush, President of the "Free World" is a member of "Skull and Bones" a chapter of the Illuminati order. His father, grandfather and uncle are also members.

In his autobiography, "A Charge to Keep", Bush writes, "My senior year I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society so secret I can't say anything more." In Aug. 2000 he said his "heritage is part of who I am." http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2000/07/31/heritage.html

Isn't this a conflict of interest?

Hello! Can a man hold any public office, let alone the most important, and belong to a "secret society"? If this society were benign, would it have to be secret?

And what a secret society! The Illuminati is the hidden hand behind all modern cataclysms, including the French and Russian Revolutions, Communism, the Depression and Nazism. To affect the course of history only takes money. The people behind the Illuminati have plenty.

It's time we faced reality. Murphy's Law applies to humanity. "If it can go wrong, it will."

It has. The world is ruled by a satanic cult.

THE ILLUMINATI AND THE SKULL & BONES

The Illuminati originates with Jewish Cabalists, Babylonian mystery cults, the Templars, Freemasons and assorted interests dedicated to acquiring absolute power. On May 1 1776, Adam Weishaupt, a professor at the University of Inglestadt in Germany, founded "The Order of the Illuminati." Many people believe Weishaupt was sponsored by Prince William of Hesse Casel and his banker Meyer Amschel Rothschild, the wealthiest man in the world.

The Illuminati's stated goal was to destroy Western Civilization and to erect a new world order ruled by the Illuminati. Its method was to cut all social ties (employer, nation, religion, race, family) by exploiting social discontent and promising a golden age of "human brotherhood."

Attracted by the promise of power and change, people served without realizing who or what they were supporting. Weishaupt urged his followers to "practise the art of counterfeit." New recruits were told the Illuminati followed the original spirit of Christianity. Weishaupt marvelled that even churchmen could be gulled. "Oh! Men, of what cannot you be persuaded?" (Nesta Webster, World Revolution, 1921, p. 27)

The Illuminati had a hand in every so-called "progressive" movement of the past 200 years. Women, said Weishaupt, were to be enlisted with "hints of emancipation." They "can all be led toward change by vanity, curiosity, sensuality and inclination." (Webster, 29)

William Huntington, an American who had studied in Germany, founded the "Skull and Bones" (Chapter 322 of the Bavarian Illuminati) at Yale University in 1832. The members wore a death's head on their chests and were sworn to secrecy on pain of death. "The Order" became the preserve of the leading New England families, many rich from the Opium trade. These include the Whitneys, Tafts, Buckleys, Lowells, Sloans, Coffins, and Harrimans. The Bush family was dependent on these interests.

For over 150 years, "Bonesmen" have run the world from positions in banking, intelligence, media, law and government. Members included Presidential handler Averell Harriman, anti war leader William Sloan Coffin, Time-Life magnate Henry Luce, Truman war secretary Henry Stimson (responsible for dropping the atomic bomb), pseudo conservative William F. Buckley and many more. http://www.viewfromthewall.com

"THE BATTLE IS NOT BETWEEN LEFT AND RIGHT"
In the 1960's British-born Dr. Anthony Sutton was a Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institute when he discovered that, in spite of the Cold War, the US was supplying the USSR with its technology, including weapons used against American soldiers in Vietnam. Sutton dug deeper and discovered that Wall Street had sponsored both the Bolshevik Revolution and the rise of Nazi Germany. The resulting books (http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books.htm which are on line) cost Dr. Sutton his academic career.

In 1983, Dr. Sutton received a list of Skull and Bones members and immediately recognized the names of many men who controlled American policy. He published a book entitled "America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones" (1986). He updated and republished this book just before his death last June at age 77. www.trineday.com Here are some of his conclusions.

+"The Order" is " a purely American phenomenon with German origin." Dr. Sutton compares it to the Round Table Cecil Rhodes' secret society at Oxford known as "The Group." The American and British entities consist of 20-30 dynastic families each. Jewish banking interests connect them.

"The links between 'The Order' and Britain go through Lazard Freres and the private merchant banks... 'The Group' links to the Jewish equivalent through the Rothschilds in Britain... 'The Order' in the US links to the Guggenheim, Schiff and Warburg families." (23)

As Dr. Sutton notes, the "Order" had definite anti Semitic tendencies but by the 1960's, many Jewish names started to appear among the 15 annual inductees. See list of Skull and Bones members. http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboysmembersbyclass.htm

+ Dr. Sutton believes the "left" versus "right" political conflict is fraudulent and is used to control the debate and condition citizens to think along certain lines. Left-wing magazines like the "The Nation" and "The New Republic" and right-wing magazines like "The National Review were "artificially set up." The former were financed by Whitney money while the latter by Buckley. Both are "The Order."

Dr. Sutton states: "Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. (http://www.antonysutton.com/suttoninterview.html The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them.")

Similarly, in the international field left and right political structures are artificially constructed and collapsed in the drive for one-world synthesis, i.e. authoritarian socialism controlled by monopoly capital.

College textbooks present war and revolution as accidental results of conflicting forces. This is nonsense, says Dr. Sutton. They are created and financed by Wall Street to create a new world order. But you won't read this in history books.

"Our Western history is every bit as distorted, censored and largely useless as that of Hitler's Germany or the Soviet Union or Communist China..." (122)


+ Dr. Sutton believes The Order has many weaknesses resulting from an inbred gene pool, a shallow power base and a limited worldview. In any future conflict between the authoritarian state and the individual, he believes opposition will take "a million forms."

" No one is going to create the anti-The Order movement. That would be foolish and unnecessary. It could be infiltrated, bought off, or diverted all too easily. Why play by the rules set by the enemy?

The movement that will topple The Order will be extremely simple and most effective. It will be ten thousand or a million Americans who come to the conclusion that they don't want the State to be boss, that they prefer to live under the protection of the Constitution. They will make their own independent decision to thwart The Order and it will take ten thousand or a million forms." (55)

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

Bizarre as it sounds, our world is the product of a multi generational satanic conspiracy.
(Believe me I would give everything I own to be wrong.)
When we compare this disturbing conclusion with the comforting picture purveyed by Illuminati controlled-mass media and education, we experience "cognitive dissonance," or psychological stress. This is usually resolved by evading reality, dismissing it as "conspiracy theory."

One reader, stirring in his sleep, wrote: "You sir are T-TOTALLY the biggest story teller I have ever heard. If I ever get really bored I will read some of your concockions."

In fact, conspiracy is very plausible. People who control a grossly disproportionate share of the world's wealth will take measures to consolidate their position. They will destabilize the public by inciting a series of wars and other mind-boggling hoaxes (communism, lesbian feminism, multiculturalism). They will subvert faith in a loving God and promote violence and depravity (Satan) instead.
The government-inspired 9-11 atrocity proves Bush and his accomplices are criminals, traitors and impostors. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm But don't look to the Democrats for salvation. Leading contender Sen. John Kerry is also "Skull and Bones" (Class of 1966.)

The "War on Terror" is obviously designed to forestall domestic opposition and condition people to further subjugation and new world order. What can we do?

I think Antony Sutton had it right when he said opposition should be individual in character. Let it "take ten thousand or a million forms."

Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles on feminism and the new world order appear on his web site www.savethemales.ca He enjoys receiving comments at henry@savethemales.ca



Comment

From Richard
foundersamerica@hotmail.com
6-9-3

Dear Dr. Makow,

"Dr. Sutton states: 'Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control...'"

Well, for me to dump right vs. left - as the critical key to understanding political, social and personal conflicts - I'd have to abandon twenty years of touting the theory to everyone and their dog:
http://foundersamerica.blogspot.com/
http://foundersamerica12.blogspot.com/

No, the split-brain dichotomy is critical to understanding all of it--I believe.

Even so, the "us vs. them" and "right vs. left" are not mutually exlusive approaches to understanding the HOW and WHY of our imprisonment by satanic forces.

Best,
Richard


Comment

Alton Raines
6-9-03

Yes, Richard, that's precisely what Satan wants from you; Keep you busy over here warring with your fellow-man, perceiving the right as good and the left as evil, when by His Spirit he has said "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers in heavenly realms." You're missing the boat, in more ways than one. By the Spirit it is written, "Satan deceives the whole inhabited earth, save those whose names have been written in the book of life before the foundation of the world." Sacrificing 20+ years of being dead wrong might be to your salvation! "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is death."

posted 06-10-2003 12:05 PM               

Event Horizon:
Incoming and Fast!
By Richard Sauder, PhD
dr_samizdat@hotmail.com
2003 Copyright Richard Sauder
6-9-3

(Please reprint far and wide on blogs, message boards, websites aand discussion lists as desired, so long as the article is reprinted in its entirety, without any alteration whatsoever.)

The central reality of the early 21st Century is the total certainty of imminent, massive, deep-rooted change in every sphere of reality that is meaningful to the human race. This change will not be long in arriving, not at all -- indeed, we are already being buffeted by the first, outlying squalls of the rapidly approaching level-five hurricane that will soon be upon us with the full force of its fury.

The imperial warmongering of the Bush administration represents an attempt by a certain faction of the self-anointed, so-called global 'elite' to use the American military juggernaut as a violent tool to stage manage the oncoming apocalypse. (About which, more below.) Their objective is to try to control a series of large, upcoming, epochal events that are essentially uncontrollable and unmanageable. But this will not deter those who fancy themselves to be humanity's 'superiors'. They will soldier on, literally, with their aircraft carrier battle groups, their nuclear missiles, their stealth bombers, their genetically engineered viruses, and their rampaging armies equipped with night vision goggles, GPS-coordinated weaponry, drunk on self-induced illusions of patriotism, nationalism, blood, guts and gore.

It is a nightmarish vision they have and they want to impose it on the rest of the planet by brute force. Indeed, they have already begun to do this. If you are an Iraqi who has been disemboweled or decapitated by a cluster bomb that came whistling in from an American Air Force B-52 cruising overhead at 40,000 feet -- then the apocalypse has already arrived for you. And in this case, the apocalypse is stamped 'Made in America'.

One of the great ironies is that the American regime that is making such a forthright, violent bid for planet-wide domination is controlled by the right wing of the Republican Party. The same people who for decades have been pontificating about smaller and less intrusive government and lower taxes (right-wing Republicans), have over the past couple of years revealed themselves to be essentially a home-grown American, neo-fascist political faction, heavy on reflexive, knee-jerk flag waving and patriotic sloganeering, ugly suppression and violation of civil liberties at home, all coupled with aggressive, illegal, imperial warfare in the international arena. Since seizing political power in the fraudulent national elections of the year 2000, these Republican neo-fascists have effectively unleashed the Pentagon as an instrument of international terror, eviscerated the American Constitution, created an anti-civil liberties Frankenstein monster in the form of the new, sprawling bureaucracy of the Department of Homeland Security, and dramatically increased federal spending, driving the American government trillions of dollars into debt. And all in just two years. The fact that the majority of Democrat political figures have cravenly acquiesced in these activities and worse, even vigorously supported them, prove the Democrats to be nothing more than a cowardly Junior Varsity annex to the right wing of the Republican Party. I cannot imagine why a sane American would even consider voting for a Republican or Democrat, for any office, at any level of government -- or even vote at all in the current climate, given the abundantly self-evident fraudulent nature of contemporary American electoral politics.

This current effort to impose a violent, totalitarian regime on the United States and selected other parts of the world is just the first stage in a rapidly developing program to subjugate the entire planet in a violent, iron grip.

This ruthless program of social, political, military and economic control has been underway for millennia already, going back to the time of the Roman Empire and even before that, to ancient Babylon and Pharaonic Egypt and far back beyond that into the mists of remote antiquity. There is a dark, ruthless, self-destructive splinter buried deep in the warp and the woof of the human species - it is woven into our genetics, our history, our society, our mind. And it expresses, nay, it acts out, in the ugliest ways imaginable, over and over again as the centuries and millennia slowly and bloodily scroll by. We slaughter one another by the millions in warfare and genocide over and over again. We impose cruel and terrible dictatorships. We torture, rape, imprison, sack, pillage and plunder. Again and again and again and again. And we invoke our tribal deities as justification for what we do -- Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, Krishna.

But this vile project (institutional religion, militarism, imperialism, i.e., mind and social control) is fast approaching a decisive turning point. In mathematical terms, the quickening trajectory of events on this planet is rapidly approaching infinity. There has been a sharp inflection in every aspect of the curve that describes the course of human events on planet Earth. Uncharted waters lie just ahead. Planet-wide chaos approaches, and quickly.

This has most definitely not gone unnoticed by the planet,s self-anointed 'elite'. They realize that the game has entered a new, chaotic, supremely important phase that they must control at all costs -- if they are to maintain the system of political, religious, economic and social dominance they have been violently putting in place for the last centuries and millennia.

Hence, the Pentagon has been unleashed, essentially as a mercenary force in the service of great evil-- the violent subjugation of the human race to a planet-wide, totalitarian control. Recent news items have revealed such items as: electronic micro-chipping of individual human beings for tracking and identification purposes, plans to electronically tag and track individual notes of paper currency, plans to electronically tag and track individual items of merchandise such as clothing, appliances, toys, etc.

At the same time, the monitoring, tracking and surveillance of individual humans increases by the day -- surveillance cameras are now everywhere on the highways, in stores, banks, on sidewalks in more and more cities. The incipient neo-fascist American regime has announced plans for a Total Awareness Information computer system that will track, monitor and spy on every human being that it can, to the greatest degree possible, everywhere, anywhere, at all times, from cradle to grave.

This is not freedom. This is American tyranny. And it aims to impose itself by hook or by crook or by force on every human being on this planet.

Do you doubt what I say? Then take off your mental blinders and see the world situation for what it is. Wake up if you can. If you can, then good for you. If you can't, I won't waste much more of my time trying to shatter your ignorant illusions and help you to awaken.

Now then, what has so alarmed these Republican, neo-fascist, American desperados that they have turned loose the Beast of their Made-in-America, violent-control-at-all-costs apocalypse on the world?

Several things.

Global warming is very much in the news these days. Is massive, sudden climate change possible? It appears that it is and that it is underway during out lifetimes, with unknown consequences. The climate could continue to get warmer- perhaps much warmer. Or it may warm for awhile and then abruptly grow colder, perhaps much colder. Even glacially so. The geological and glacial record shows that ice ages can come on with surprising quickness and ferocity. In some cases seemingly within a matter of years. If there were rapid, global climate change (whether becoming hotter or colder) the social, economic, environmental and political implications would be staggering. World 'managers' would certainly want to assure that whatever happens, they will remain in charge. Thus, their 'herd' must be numbered, tagged, and whipped into submission so that it can be properly managed as the situation grows more dire. And it may well grow more dire if the present climate changes now underway continue.

World 'managers' have also assuredly noticed an increasing world population. This matters to self-styled world 'managers' for a variety of reasons. Growing numbers of people mean growing numbers of potentially independent actors (individuals and organizations of all types and sizes)-- not Hollywood actors mind you, but actors in the sense of potential agents of autonomous, self-directed, purposeful action in the sphere of their own choosing, whether that sphere be political, social, cultural, religious, environmental, scientific, etc. As the numbers of people increase, controlling what they do and think becomes harder and harder. Enter the Pentagon as a mercenary, social control force for the new Republican neo-fascist regime.

Growing numbers of people also mean the possibility of a sudden, dramatic population crash -- from any one of a number of possible causes. Population biologists are familiar with this phenomenon. It often happens that a species will rapidly increase its numbers right up to or beyond the carrying capacity of its ecological niche -- and then it undergoes a massive and drastic die off, as its numbers radically decrease -- and it can happen real FAST.

In the case of the human race, our ecological niche is basically the entire planet. We go practically everywhere -- into deep forests, into the air, on and into the sea, to the polar regions, onto high mountains. We swarm over the planet like locusts. Recent years have brought numerous public warnings in the news media and scientific journals about global warming, melting of polar ice fields, deforestation, growing species extinction, the rise of new, exotic diseases (whether from natural evolution or bio-engineering is unclear), dying coral reefs, dangerous depletion of open ocean fish species, and much more bsides. And still the numbers of humans increase. We are like a horde of devouring locusts. We are overexploiting our ecological niche, which is to say, we are overexploiting the Earth.

Population biologists know that species that overrun their ecological niche run a serious risk of sudden decline. Is this soon to be the fate of the human species on planet Earth?

Maybe. Maybe not. No one knows for sure. But it is absolutely one of the hugest, unknown variables in the chaotic period we have already entered. The chaos and uncertainty have already begun -- that much we know, both those of us who are awake to some degree, and those who fancy themselves to be world 'managers'. If there is to be a population crash they will want to land on their feet, on top of the heap, when the dust clears. They will want to control it if possible. If they feel it is inevitable, they may even want to initiate and manage it themselves (or try to).

Then there is the ancient Mayan calendar. The Mayan priests were obsessive time keepers. They measured out vast stretches of time in intricate detail. When their ancient stellae were deciphered it was discovered that their future time line ends in December 2012. December 2012 is just 9 years from now - not long at all. So what did the Mayans foresee? By implication, they have forecast some kind of abrupt break in the human experience in our very near future. Did the Mayans manage to correctly forecast our present time? Is big change right around the corner? Is the change so great that it will be as if we have entered a new era in history?

In my opinion, that is very possible. It may even be likely. I don't know how they did it - perhaps by pure, direct intuition -- but the ancient Mayan time keepers seem to have somehow peered into the future and seen that a time of big turmoil and change would take place in the early 21st Century.

The Mayans, time keeping has certainly not escaped the notice of the world 'managers'. Indeed, they will have found it to be most alarming. Remember what the Roman Catholic bishop of the Yucatan did way back in the early Spanish colonial period? He ordered the Mayans to bring all of their books and had them burnt, at musket and sword point. The Roman Catholic church recognized the great danger (for its so-called 'Christian' teachings and power) that Mayan knowledge represented. Half a millennium has passed and today the Bush Reich exercises the sort of power on a global scale that the Roman Catholic church exercised in centuries past. So I seriously doubt that the present world 'managers' are unaware of the Mayans, time keeping. On the contrary, they may well attach some degree of credence to the Mayans, mysterious focus on the early years of this present century.

Let me give you an idea of what I mean. I recently talked with a retired petroleum engineer (in Texas) who has long experience in the oil industry. I asked him how much longer the American people would be driving their cars, SUVs, motorcycles and pickup trucks.

He quietly replied: 'Twenty years.' (Then the oil runs out.)

Twenty years until there is a massive upheaval in American and world society. Actually less than that. In fact, the upheaval is already violently underway if you live in Iraq and maybe Iran-- as the Pentagon,s mercenary troops try to secure Middle Eastern oil fields. The neo-fascists know very well that the really BIG upheaval is just around the corner and they are trying to control the situation on terms that they dictate, by employing massive force abroad. And by the way, does anyone doubt that massive force would be/will be employed here on American soil to ensure the success of the Republican neo-fascist social-control-at-all-costs agenda? Isn,t that the plain implication of the Department of Homeland Security?

Of course, the smart thing to do would be to undertake a massive research and development program for environmentally benign, alternative energy sources to phase in as soon as possible. The Earth has abundant, nearly free energy sources that can be tapped -- wind energy, tidal forces in the sea, geothermal resources, solar energy. The engineering expertise is available to tap all of these on a large scale and in the near term. It is also possible to greatly increase the efficiency of our present industrial base, thereby realizing substantial and immediate energy conservation. But none of these things are happening; neither are they likely to happen as long as the present self-anointed world 'managers' are on the scene. These people, as epitomized by the neo-fascist Republican regime that has seized political power in the United States, and their assorted 'wannabe', sycophantic supporters such as the American Democratic Party at home, and various and sundry other violent dimwits here and there around the planet (Blair, Sharon, Musharraf, Berlusconi, Mubarak, etc., the line forms at the rear), are not much into the 'vision' thing - oh no, they are very heavily into the 'nightmare' thing, as in neo-fascist apocalypse.

Unfortunately, a big chunk of the human species seems to share this self-destructive, negative programming defect. Is it genetic? Sociological? Political? Psychological? Imposed from without against free will? Generated from within because of free will? Does it even matter very much at this late date from a pragmatic standpoint, seeing as how this grotesquely violent, global chain of events is so far advanced down the road to species perdition?

There are many interesting analyses of the present situation. Some of the most interesting I have found are: Mike Ruppert's From the Wilderness, for a great discussion of the Peak Oil and 9/11 issues and also the Cassiopaeans, for an engaging discussion of some of the more esoteric aspects of what is happening and likely to happen in coming years and decades on planet Earth. I believe Ruppert's analysis explains a great deal more of the present world situation than the average daily newspaper does. Ruppert's work certainly explains a great deal more clearly what is occurring with respect to the Bush Reich's Middle Eastern geo-politics than do the pages of say, The New York Times (all the news that,s fit to falsify, make up and plagiarize!)

I further believe that the Cassiopaeans, analysis begins to explore some of the deeper, core issues at play. Are the Cassiopaeans correct in every last jot and tittle of what they say? I very strongly doubt it. But the value I see in the issues they raise is that they raise the issues to begin with. Precious few people are even talking about most of the things the Cassiopaeans discuss.

The Cassiopaeans (whoever or whatever they really are) may be part of a cosmic (or not so cosmic) intelligence plan that is fiendishly insidious and devious -- or they may equally be, as they say, a benevolent force who intend to lend a helping hand to a troubled planet, populated by a severely, violently dysfunctional species (Earth humans). I hope it is the latter, but I cannot categorically exclude the former, if the stakes are as high as the Cassioipaeans allege that they are.

As I understand it, the Cassiopaeans allege that Earth is a crucial battlefield in a mighty war that has raged across the galaxy, covering vast stretches of time and space and consciousness. The current Earth scene, according to them, has actors both seen and unseen, known and unknown, and overlapping levels of strategy and mighty political and spiritual agendas with tremendous implications for the human race and planet Earth and many other beings and planets elsewhere in the galaxy, and even in other dimensions.

Can this be true? I don,t know, but WHAT IF?

What if our lives and what happens on this planet NOW are so much more important than we can imagine in our wildest imaginings? WHAT IF that is the reason that we are here? WHAT IF our life project is to WAKE UP and 'grok' the situation and throw a creative monkey wrench in a galactic program of darkly vicious control of minds, bodies and souls? Not only here on Earth for the human species, but elsewhere too, across vast reaches of space and time?

WHAT IF?

And what if the Republican neo-fascists here in America and their sycophantic Democratic Party 'wannabe' supporters are the ignorant, stupid, unwitting, local goon squad tasked with imposing a galactic jack boot on the collective neck of terrestrial humanity - the better to keep us dumbed down, subjugated, fearful, manipulated, tractable, poverty stricken, vulnerable, scared and perpetually at each other,s throats. In other words, thoroughly divided and hopelessly conquered. BY OUR OWN HANDS.

I do not positively know this to be the case, but WHAT IF?

And even if this is not the case (and I do not presume to know definitively, one way or the other), what is coming, what will very soon arrive, and what has already arrived and is here now, are egregiously bad.

The neo-fascist Republican party (the 'less government' people) are up to their eyeballs in violently locking down the planet. They are the very ones who are clamping down a computerized, incredibly violent, totalitarian social control system the likes of which this planet has never seen. And they are moving quickly -- with great military force and massive national and international bureaucratic coordination.

Is this why the Bush regime is running up a stratospheric national debt? - now over seven TRILLION dollars and growing by leaps and bounds. Is this unprecedented deficit spending intended to fund the imposition of a totalitarian regime that will then turn around and violently suppress the people when they realize the trap that has been sprung on them?

Whatever the case, many people are now deciding to help defund the American government, before it can wreak still more havoc. One of the more interesting of such movements is the We The People organization. A rapidly growing number of loyal Americans have simply decided: "Enough of this nonsense. And have stopped sending 1040s to the IRS. It is a real, home-brewed Boston Tea Party. Call it 'Boston Tea Party II'. In the American colonial period many people were fed up with George the III, then the English King. In like fashion, a growing number of Americans today have had their fill of 'wannabe' boy-king George the IV - and his thug underlings -- people like John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld.

Whence the decision to defund these neo-fascist puppet thugs before they can slaughter and imprison yet more people.

There is also a growing Free World Order which can be found at Buildfreedom.com and its myriad related links, such as BigBooster.com. Why not browse there and spend some time reading and absorbing the information you will find on these sites and related links? You just may find something there that will help free you and others!

Our situation is dire. That is true. Conditions may worsen and grow even darker and more violent in days and years to come.

Or NOT.

It all depends on us, on you and on me. How free do you want to be? Are you willing to take personal action, whether large or small, to be free? Will you do it now? Or will you put it off for years, or half a lifetime, until your options are severely constrained and your freedom to maneuver has all but disappeared?

If you have read this far, and you never thought about the ideas and information presented above - then you have come to this page for a reason. You are here to awaken. Will you wake up? Will you work for freedom and to be free?

Or, will you choose to go back to sleep? Even worse, will you be one of the ignorant dimwits who are so stupid that you will write to threaten my life or wellbeing?

The choice is before you, and before me. Either 1) we recognize and admit our precarious position and take personal action to remedy a rapidly worsening situation, in America and around the world, or 2) we go back to sleep (metaphorically speaking), join in the slaughter, cheer on the troops as they bomb and rampage, vote for the mad men (and mad women), wave the flag like a mindless maniac while shouting jingoistic, nationalistic sloagns, blend into the dumbed-down herd, become a violent, racist, fundamentalist religionist bent on annihilation of the hated other -- whether they (or we!) be Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, etc.

The choice is before us. And it is a stark one.

Please consider checking out the hyperlinks to the organizations and websites that I have mentioned above, and proceeding towards personal and planetary freedom in the manner that is most consistent with the best and highest reason for your being on this planet.

What will you do?

posted 06-10-2003 12:56 PM            

People like these are just not genuine or decent human beings interested in finding truth. They are obviously interested in deception and propagating lies…

posted 06-10-2003 02:54 PM            

Or were you fishing for the
Carping whining conservatives who did take the bait?

...so easy to fool a demagogue..
tell him a lie he wants to hear...

Yank back on the pole and the truth sticks in his throat.

com'on now.
4th Reich bush brownshirts cannot accept the truth any more than 3rd Reich brownshirts could.

We post,
not to convince the (willfully) braindead (dittoheads)
But for the benefit of real people who may read both their diatribes and our reasoned response.

They scream the neo-con equivalent of
"Dirty Lying Jew!"/ "Liberal liar!" at us,

While we post knowing their minds are like steel bear traps.
Once closed, very hard to open!

Dubya
Dubya
Ueber Alles
Ueber Alles in der Welt!
Er helfe keine arme Leute
Nur die Leute mit viel Geld!

BTW;
From another forum with the everpresent tag team of Bush loyalists (debunkers):
>Bully Tactics
They simply want to wear down their opponents through good, ole-fashioned Bully Tactics.
Your foe has got you cornered using facts and logic? Yell at them! The Dems are proving that the Waaaah in Iraq was based on lies? Accuse them of not "supporting" our military men and women! Chimpy being exposed for the fraud that he is? Ask them why they hate America so much!

Most rational people get tired of this and walk away, not wanting to deal with these morons. This has the effect, however, of only having the Bullies at the pulpit. <

'Waah waaah waaaah!
People arent fleeing from our bullying!'
to paraphrase this topic.

posted 06-10-2003 05:49 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by the professor:
It's not that most conservatives are closed minded it's that most have only closed their minds to the liberals ....I could also say the same to a few republicans as well as all of the so called moderates.

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Right you are Professor!

but!
by closing their minds to those they disagree with...
they also close their minds to the truth.

those who say/post the lies we want to hear are accepted..
Whereas;
those who post/day the truths wich offend us are rejected out of hand.

Something is badly wrong here!

Both side should serve the truth instead of party politics.

Trouble is the truth (lately)
seems to serve only one side:
the loyal Americans' opposition to the NWO
values truth

Those who support the loss of liberty that the NWO represents, disparage truth.

and instead supoort propaganda!

such as the nonexistent WMD rationale for attacking and invading a soveriegn nation.

Real Americans wouold staunchly support the 'right of self determination'

"the right of peo[ple to choose thier own government"

instead of having a RW dictatorship imposed by force of arms.
Hitleresque!

posted 06-10-2003 05:51 PM            

Chemcaptain says he's a liberal for example, and I've agreed with just about every post he has made so far. Why? Because he's a sane, rational individual with common sense, even though his political views may disagree with mine somewhat (I don't know what those are just yet).

But, just look at Shitoga's posts or Crazy Larry's posts...or Mech's and tell me if you see sane, rational individuals behind those. I see individuals with severe emotional problems, and a delusional, distorted view of reality.

That's what I'm responding to most of the time. Rational arguments don't work on the irrational though. I enjoy demonstrating this repeatedly for some reason. Notice that when I present a rational counterpoint to anyone of the irrationals here, they never respond directly. It's always the same pattern, obfuscate...change the subject, bury the reader in Spam....never honest dialogue. This is a common trait of the type of individual I'm referring to, who is delusional and extremely challenged by facts and truth. They can't deal with the truth so they evade and then fabricate a thousand conspiracies, usually not their own, but recited from people on the extreme left.

Dennis Kucinich and Robert (sheets) Byrd are favorites of Mech, for example, but he has no clue as to their political motivations for starting conspiracies....

posted 06-10-2003 06:09 PM            

I won't vote for Kucinich and Byrd is definately NOT "my favorite."

So STFU and get your head out of your @$$ and stop making accusations.

Dickhead.

Bu$h is the biggest threat to freedom this country has seen in it's history. Passing unconstitutional laws like the Patriot Act and establishment of the TIA to spy on American citizens, not to mention the outright LOOTING going on right now and the debt it is creating. Not to mention the LIES that are so obvious and in-your-face, only a MORON would believe Bu$h is interested in "freedom".

ROFLMAO!

Yeah right.

posted 06-10-2003 07:01 PM            

and that was mainly due to saddam's relative defecting...and then later going back and probably being fed into a shredder...feet first....

I am satisfied justice has been done and I am more concerned about feeding the iraqi people and getting the government up and running again...

posted 06-10-2003 08:03 PM            

Hate America?
support the bush dictatorship!

no other choice!