posted 06-09-2003 04:32 AM            

What a waste of time it is to respond to the leftist bilge here.

In the time I haven’t been talking on this board, I’ve been doing productive things, making a good income, talking to positive people, and exercising a positive influence on the small part of the world I can control. It’s a good time to be an American…We have a great and decent individual as president. The communist/ leftist Democrats are going down in flames. The world is a safer place.

I was just talking to a Russian guy who misses his family (and the women in Russia) but loves this country with a passion. He just bought a house, and in the time he has owned it, it’s appreciated 20 grand. He sees the wonders of capitalism now…The future of this country is very bright, and the sky’s the limit…at least that’s the reality I know when I don’t read this board. I come back here and these idiots are still whining about non-existent problems, non existent conspiracies, and expressing outrageous hatred for a good man who happens to be president. The irrational hatred shown here, the panicked fear and increasingly desperate whining, tells me that America has a bright future. It reinforces what I already know, that the leftist America haters here are losers, and they’re going down in flames, whining and lying and spewing hatred in typical form like the petty demon-possessed idiots that they are…..

In the meantime, the economy is improving, Dictators and evil people everywhere quiver in fear of the United States (as it should be) and Saddam no longer has power. Bad day for the demon possessed….good day for the rest of the sane world.

posted 06-09-2003 04:41 AM               

This is what I don't understand: All of a sudden nothing seems to matter.

First, they said they wanted Bin Laden "dead or alive." But they didn't get him. So now they tell us that it doesn't matter. Our mission is greater than one man.

Then they said they wanted Saddam Hussein, "dead or alive." He's apparently alive but we haven't got him yet, either. However, President Bush told reporters recently, "It doesn't matter. Our mission is greater than one man."

Finally, they told us that we were invading Iraq to destroy their weapons of mass destruction. Now they say those weapons probably don't exist. Maybe never existed. Apparently that doesn't matter either.

Except that it does matter.

I know we're not supposed to say that. I know it's called "unpatriotic." But it's also called honesty. And dishonesty matters.

It matters that the infrastructure of a foreign nation that couldn't defend itself against us has been destroyed on the grounds that it was a military threat to the world.

It matters that it was destroyed by us under a new doctrine of "pre-emptive war" when there was apparently nothing worth pre-empting.

It surely matters to the families here whose sons went to war to make the world safe from weapons of mass destruction and will never come home.

It matters to families in the United States whose life support programs were ended, whose medical insurance ran out, whose food stamps were cut off, whose day care programs were eliminated so we could spend the money on sending an army to do what did not need to be done.

It matters to the Iraqi girl whose face was burned by a lamp that toppled over as a result of a U.S. bombing run.

It matters to Ali, the Iraqi boy who lost his family and both arms in a U.S. air attack.

It matters to the people in Baghdad whose water supply is now fetid, whose electricity is gone, whose streets are unsafe, whose 158 government ministries' buildings and all their records have been destroyed, whose cultural heritage and social system has been looted and whose cities teem with anti-American
protests.

It matters that the people we say we "liberated" do not feel liberated in the midst of the lawlessness, destruction and wholesale social suffering that so-called liberation created.

It matters to the United Nations whose integrity was impugned, whose authority was denied, whose inspection teams are even now still being overlooked in the process of technical evaluation and disarmament.

It matters to the reputation of the United States in the eyes of the world, both now and for decades to come, perhaps.

And surely it matters to the integrity of this nation whether or not its intelligence gathering agencies have any real intelligence or not before we launch a military armada on its say-so.

And it should matter whether or not our government is either incompetent and didn't know what they were doing or were dishonest and refused to say.

The unspoken truth is that either as a people we were misled, or we were lied to, about the real reason for this war. Either we made a huge and unforgivable mistake, an arrogant or ignorant mistake, or we are swaggering around the world like a blind giant, flailing in all directions while the rest of the world watches in horror or ridicule.

If Bill Clinton's definition of "is" matters, surely this matters. If a president's sex life matters, surely a president's use of global force against some of the weakest people in the world matters. If a president's word in a court of law about a private indiscretion matters, surely a president's word to the community of nations and the security of millions of people matters.

And if not, why not? If not, surely there is something as wrong with us as citizens, as thinkers, as Christians as there must be with some facet of the government. If wars that the public says are wrong yesterday - as over 70% of U.S. citizens did before the attack on Iraq - suddenly become "right" the
minute the first bombs drop, what kind of national morality is that?

Of what are we really capable as a nation if the considered judgment of politicians and people around the world means nothing to us as a people?

What is the depth of the American soul if we can allow destruction to be done in our name and the name of "liberation" and never even demand an accounting of its costs, both personal and public, when it is over?

We like to take comfort in the notion that people make a distinction between our government and ourselves. We like to say that the people of the world love Americans, they simply mistrust our government. But excoriating a distant and anonymous "government" for wreaking rubble on a nation in pretense of good requires very little of either character or intelligence.

What may count most, however, is that we may well be the ones Proverbs warns when it reminds us: "Kings take pleasure in honest lips; they value the one who speaks the truth." The point is clear: If the people speak and the king doesn't listen, there is something wrong with the king. If the king acts precipitously and the people say nothing, something is wrong with the people.

It may be time for us to realize that in a country that prides itself on being democratic, we are our government. And the rest of the world is figuring that out very quickly.

From where I stand, that matters.

posted 06-09-2003 05:16 AM            

It's useless argueing, it's an isolated group of nuts- hard headed nuts. Everyone else, even many of the chemtrail believers, think they are crazy and/or stupid,so what's the point? If they are just mumbling their conspiracies to their selves, who cares anyways?

It isn't like any of the stupid ass things Mech C&P has posted has enlightned anyone or brought any new believers.

posted 06-09-2003 09:16 AM            

thank God for small miracles !

how about a little spam halva !!!

posted 06-09-2003 11:48 AM            

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I am not in dialogue with Americans like you.

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Interesting that Halva made the effort to respond and spam on this thread just to make the point that he/she's not in a dialogue....

posted 06-09-2003 11:52 AM            

a snobby euro....

posted 06-09-2003 12:17 PM            

An 18 Year Old American Teen Has Figured It Out

Posted by Muscles, Age 18

In a country where the poor and old cannot afford health care, in a country where the economy is falling apart, in a country where 44 million people live on less than $12,000 dollars a year, in a nation where 5 million people are homeless, in a country where the entire media system is owned by only six media mega conglomerates, in a nation with the highest crime rate, in a country with the world's largest prison population, in a society where 60% of marriages end in divorce, in a country where 25% of kids under 12 live in poverty, in a country that cut 25 billion dollars out of veterans benefits to help pay for a new war, in a country where the gulf between the rich and poor is growing everyday, in a nation that supports dictatorships in Saudi, Egypt, and Turkey, in a country where the government is full of corruption, in a country with the world's highest teen suicide and stress rates, and you're telling me our biggest problems are
TERRORISM and DRUGS?

BULLSHIT!

posted 06-09-2003 12:22 PM            

And while it is a threat.. terrorism is hardly one of the biggest problems, the media likes to play that angle because they get ratings... Does this 18yr kid want a f-ing medal for figuring that out?

Why does everyone assume that what the media says is how americans feel? This is a problem with both sides left and right. All media cares about is *ratings*.

"a snobby euro...."

Oooh, oooh, but Horny down in that category too

posted 06-09-2003 12:39 PM            

the ecomomy is coming back in a strong way now...I didn't even cover how the dividend tax cut will make big companies more accountable,and stocks more stable, to pay dividends you have to have the cash to pay them...honest balance sheets...

ladies and gentleman of the class...we have a blind teenager...anyone agreeing with the wayward teen is obviously blind as well...

another case of renses' disclaimer in full operating mode....

the truth is out there

posted 06-09-2003 01:05 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by ChemCaptain:
"a snobby euro...."

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SNOB: person with exaggerated respect for social position or wealth and a disposition to be ashamed of socially inferior connections ...

posted 06-09-2003 01:38 PM            

Eurotrash socialists like Hornyblower and Halva can complain about America all they want, just as long as they do us the favor and stay where they are. Socialism is what they are promoting here….Yeah, that’s really worked…….(only a moron wants to repeat failures…but here they are).

Without America, the greatest nation on Earth, most countries on earth would have no concept of what it is to actually be free from government oppression. There is only one country on Earth that prevents evil dictators from taking over the world, and that’s America. That’s where the world would be right now if it weren’t for America. And although what we are witnessing currently within America is this same struggle between right wing and leftist philosophies taking place in Europe, America is looking brighter because the right is winning….(say that a few times fast).

Yet these socialist whiners in Europe sit there and complain about the very country that is the only reason they know any sense of freedom at all. America is the only thing that stands between you and oppressive communist dictatorships…and yet you love your socialism don’t you.

Well socialism leads to communism…and it’s coming to your neck of the woods soon….if it’s not already well on its way there. You should be celebrating and not worrying about us….but, I know you can’t help yourself, because true leftists love to share their misery.

It is interesting to note that the only people in this country that are complaining right now and having a generally miserable time, are the whining leftists…because the current people in power are removing some of their socialist (communist) control…and fixing the damage that the previous corrupt leftist administration did to this country. I love it when leftists whine…that means we are on the absolutely correct path. And the majority of the people recognize it. That’s why President Bush is enormously popular. That’s why the whining leftists are whining and lying like never before. They are in panic mode. They are losing their power and control over people. They are sliding down an ice wall into the abyss below them and they can’t get a foot hold, so they’ll say anything, do anything, lie cheat and steal…make up conspiracies and even murder (if that’s what it takes) to stop the slide…..(after all…then ends justify the means)..but they can’t. The people know the truth, and the lies no matter how outrageous or how often told, such as those on this board, are like trying to shoot an elephant with a pea shooter…The truth is self evident at this point…

posted 06-09-2003 01:57 PM            

Left is those who support government ownership of property and government control of the means of production.

Center is those who support private property rights and limited government, with leaders chosen by honest elections.

Right is those who support government by an elite minority, usually composed of the wealthy and military.

America has only Center and Right.

No liberal has yet gone on record,
as having willingly signed over title to his/her' house and car to the government.

The US Military Industrial complex, however;
is a working example of socialism in action.
Pentagon decides what shall be produced, by whom, where, how much to pay workers, defines working conditions,
chooses markets, and sets profit levels.
All this is funded by tax money, with kickbacks to the government/ military in an incestuous:
"Retired military often take cushy job with the same companies they were supposed to be 'overseeing' during thier career."

Because self-described 'Conservatives' here, support the 'socialist military industrial system', oppose free speech,
seek to combine church and state in an American version of the Taliban;
adhere to a one-party rule 'of by and for' an elite minority...

Since self-described 'Progressives/Liberals/Moderates'
here are those being ranted against...

Having failed to sign over titles to all property to the government;
having failed to support the 'socialism in practice' of the military industrial complex;

The simple truth is that they are centrists,

-in their consistent support of private property rights,
-in their consistent support for the Constitution;
and
-in their consistent demands that all Presidents honor the Presidential Oath of Office, and uphold the US Constitution..

eg: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of (and from) Religion, Writ of Habeus Corpus, Freedom of assembly....

BTW:

When Clinton lied- nobody died!

Bush lied- thousands died!

PS:
Even the Pope now believes 911 was an inside job.

posted 06-09-2003 02:05 PM            

HMMM....SHITOGA'S NEVER SEEN THE CLINTON DEATH LIST !

wow...talk about blind faith...anyway shitoga...you missed this up the thread and I want to make sure you and mech see it...

my good deed for the day

originally posted by me !

well...we have had 6 consecutive growth periods in the economy...stock market poised to return to 10,000....tech stocks are going up...tax cut coming in july...interest rates at an all time FREAKIN' LOW !!!!

posted 06-09-2003 02:45 PM            

lol...

do you know rip torn ?

posted 06-09-2003 03:38 PM            

"--What a waste of time it is to respond to the leftist bilge here.--"

Then leave jerkoff.

"--It’s a good time to be an American…We have a great and decent individual as president. --"

If you consider a LIAR decent.

"…The future of this country is very bright, and the sky’s the limit…at least that’s the reality I know when I don’t read this board.--"

Really? Mabye if you are a Wall Street Weenie like you but most of the people I know are barely getting by. Most of our industries are moving out to Communist China or Mexico. Your perspective is about as shallow as a kiddie pool.

But don't take MY word for it....

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However, as Fed chairman Alan Greenspan admitted last week, there is as yet almost no evidence that the recovery in the real economy is rapidly gathering pace: the best Mr Greenspan could say was that it had "stabilised" since the end of the war.
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT& cid=
1054965861998&p=1012571727162

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"-- The irrational hatred shown here, the panicked fear and increasingly desperate whining, tells me that America has a bright future.--"

You are living in LA LA land.

America is going down the toilet. Wake up.

But usually deluded, FAKE patriots in history always follow the leader and never question the "truths" their leaders put forth.

"--In the meantime, the economy is improving,"

HA! Yeah right. Unemployment went up last month and everyone is selling their stock this month. YEAH. That is an indicator alright. The country is under the biggest debt in history and the dollar is sinking to new lows. What a bull$#!+ artist you are.

"-- Dictators and evil people everywhere quiver in fear of the United States--"

No they are making deals behind the senes and most likely getting paid with gold bars.

Where is Saddam? Where is USAma?

You see FART talker, your understanding of REALITY is limited. Stick to speculating currencies and kissing Bu$h and Wall Street's @$$.America is a wreck.The president is a liar. Only someone DEAD from the neck up would be so blind to think that it isn't.

PS:

posted 06-09-2003 04:36 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by theseeker:

HMMM....SHaTOGA'S NEVER SEEN THE CLINTON DEATH LIST !
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I read all the rightwing propaganda lies before replying BTW.

The woman who invented the "Clinton death list" posted on her website (excised from the internet after 911)
that she believed "they were killed to control the President"

Difference is those killed who threaten to testify against the Bush Crime Family or get in the way of the Bush Crime family were killed by those working for or sympathetic to the Bush Crime Family.

Same crowd who killed "to control the President" when Clinton was refusing to take orders from Bush's New World Order.

Conservatives rule!

All others only govern.
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm
>We shouldn't have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will anyway. In a frenzied media climate where the Chief Executive couldn't boff a White House intern without the whole world finding out every niggling detail of each encounter and demanding his removal from office, are we seriously to believe the same man had been having double handfuls of detractors and former friends murdered with impunity? <
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Conspiracy/bush.htm
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

Chapter -XXIV- The New World Order

(category)
"YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
typical victims of the bush crime family:

"YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
>*Barry Seal

He was supposedly murdered by Medellin cartel members, but a 6-month investigation by Sam Dalton, attorney for
three of the accused murderers, into Mr. Seal's life and death uncovered some interesting points. The accused's cartel
connections were well known, but not their association with Oliver North's enterprise. Mr. Seal was a drug smuggler,
up to his armpits in smuggling cocaine for - guess who? - the CIA. During the penalty phase of the Columbians' trial,
testimony by one government witness on the activities of Mr. Seal was so damaging to the government that 2 of the
jurors wanted to change their verdict to "not guilty". The personal telephone number of George H. W. Bush was
found in the trunk of Mr. Seal's car.

"YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
*William Colby

This former CIA director disappeared in an apparent boating accident, and a body was later discovered (minus the life
jacket Colby's friends insisted he always wore while boating) and buried promptly. John DeCamp, a lawyer from Lincoln, Nebraska, and Colby's close friend and confidant, said Colby's death was not an accident. He stated that Colby was
prepared to disclose that missing P.O.W.'s were working for a dope smuggling operation orchestrated by General
Colin Powell, Pentagon official Richard Armitage, and George H. W. Bush.
<

posted 06-09-2003 04:40 PM            

maybe those folks should have made better choices in life...

it's called reality...mechy boy !

posted 06-09-2003 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
that's funny shAtoga...uh...well not to vince foster...or ron brown...long list...said nuff...

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Pull your head out of your 'font of conservatism' and see the light of truth.

Long list of those "killed to control the President" or a long list of everyone who ever shook hands with or watched Clinton on TV and then had a car crash or plane crash.

Tinfoilhatters call it;
Murder when Brown's transconinental flight crashed, but coincidence when Paul Wellstone's plane suddenly loses power or Mel Carnahan's plane suddenly loses power.
Both days before an election, both killed to demoralize Democrats and preserve Republican control of the Senate.

Funny?
Carnahan still won.
A dead man was preferable to asscroft, the voters of Missouri (who know him best) decided.

Your drug lord has lots of blood on his hands.

-The author of the book which exposed dubya's cocaine bust died "suicide" when he had just gotten rich and had a new book contract.
-The exec of enron who "committed suicide" a day before scheduled to testify against Bush biz associate Ken Lay
-The computer whiz who tried to testify that the Reagan Bush admin had stolen software worth billions... INSLAW

The reporter investigating the story of the INSLAW software theft
(who also "committed suicide" on the verge of breaking the biggest story of his career.

The women and children in the mid east
murdered by mines and clusterbombs,
strafed by helicopters attacking peaceful farms..
and unarmed men shot while peacefully protesting the illegal occupation of their country...
The list goes on, as more vanish in America and die overseas daily for getting in the way of the Bush Crime family's NWO

What is the price of a soul on today's market $eeker?