posted 06-11-2003 04:39 PM            

They are corrupt NEO-CONS.

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Bush and Cheney are NOT "true" Conservatives.
They are corrupt NEO-CONS.

THAT is the truth.

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It may come as no surprise to you that I disagree with what you consider to be the truth. In fact, I would even say this is an outright lie. NEO...is the Latin word for, "new", I do believe. It is my understanding that Bush and Cheney have always been conservatives...so they are not new to the concept.

On the other hand, if you mean "neo" as if to say they are practicing "new" conservatism, or re-defined conservatism, you might have a small point. And here's why I say it is a "small" point;

For example, Bush claims to be practicing "compassionate conservatism". I don't believe this is a new form of conservatism because conservatism, by it's very nature, is inherently compassionate. Compassionate conservatism is therefore a redundant term.

I do believe that Bush is a true conservative by nature, but he is engaging in some tactical strategies (given the nature of his opponents) that may make him appear to be less than conservative at times. After all...that's the point. His goal is to get more conservatives elected under the TRUE image of "compassionate conservative" while appearing to the electorate as being more moderate than he is. It's a political strategy to compensate for years of leftist brainwashing that conservatism is a bad thing.

For example, Bush has been actively stealing traditionally liberal or Democratic issues for tactical reasons. It is an attempt to take away anything the Democrats can stand on and campaign for, thus preventing them from getting elected to power. This strategy is controversial however, especially to people like Maha Rushie, who first pointed it out, because you run the risk of becoming the party that you are stealing issues from. I don't think Bush is in any danger of heading too far left however, because if you'll notice by his judicial appointments, the man is truly conservative and has a conservative core set of beliefs. The overall, effect of the strategy then, is to remove the opposition leftist party from power by taking their issues away from them, with the majority of new legislation passed actually leaning to the right. The effect then is a reverse incrementalism of sorts to begin a movement back to a more conservative form of government. Then once conservative Republicans hold large enough majorities in congress, they can unleash truly conservative reforms. It's going to have to be done in the way liberals tried to impose socialism upon us though....very incrementally (because a large group of Americans have been deluded by leftist propaganda and have become dependent on federal government), thus the term "compassionate" conservatism. Bush is attempting to redefine the concept of conservatism in the minds of liberals who have been brainwashed over the years.....These tactics are amazingly ingenious, by the way, for the man that the left want to try and label dumb. Their under-estimation of the man is leading to their own demise...

So to summarize, yes Bush and Cheney are true conservatives. The political tactics they are forced to use, given the many thousands of situations they are presented on a daily basis may not make it seem so at times however.

And consider this as a political tactic...just as the Democrats are building up a full head of steam, accusing Bush of lying about WMDs, suddenly as election day approaches, Bush reveals that the WMDs have been found (they actually were, all along)...This revelation would make liberal Democrats look like the extreme fools the are, wouldn't it? Could this be another ingenious tactic of a man who liberals continuously, and falsely attempt to demonize and label as dumb? If Democrats had any intelligence they would recognize that they might very well be running head first into a trap, but they don't learn from history, they are accustomed to avoiding facts and reality and making up their own.....therefore they will not recognize Bush for the tactical genius he really is....

posted 06-11-2003 05:59 PM            

Making money is not easy in America, but the one thing I never did (and I'm not saying you are doing this CC) is to blame the government or anyone else for my situation. Mech is doing that though

What I did was to study every possible way to make money. I went back to school...I lost money again. I tried a business for a year and failed….lost a ton of money that I didn’t have..(in other words, achieved monumental debt). I failed a thousand times, got burned by a thousand scams, but poor wasn't in my vocabulary. I was just broke...

Wealth is a state of mind. Failure is just the best learning process there is…

The beautiful thing about America, is that wealth is something you can create, not wait for it to be given to you. Odds are, nobody's going to give it to you anyway. All government is going to give you is the shaft...But America gives you the opportunity and the freedom to go out and create wealth. That opportunity is always there, but you are going to have to leap over a few barbed wire fences and get bitten by some attack dogs to get it. You can't let that deter you. Go out and create wealth!

Start at a job...save some money...buy some skills...upgrade the job...save some more money...start a business....build credit…buy some real-estate…sell at a profit…persevere until you succeed....

And in doing so, you CREATE your own wealth and you create jobs, so others can do the same...and your next step is to expand into a mega corporation so Democrats can blackmail you for money, and so Mech can critizise you from the safety of his computer. At that point, when you have the criticism of Mech...you KNOW have achieved magnificent success!

posted 06-11-2003 09:48 PM            

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Yes indeed capitolism is great, unfortunately I've learned today of a few provisions that are trying to be added to the new tax credit that redistributes the wealth, yeah like the socialist idea, I'll be keeping track of this.

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Oh, you mean the provision (proposed by Democrats, of course) that will give a check to people with kids who earn under 26,000 (and don't pay taxes because they already get a total tax refund in the form of an earned income tax credit)? You mean the socialist provision proposed by Democrats that is the essence of socialism, the redistribution of wealth?

posted 06-12-2003 02:38 AM            

I'm not blaming anyone, I expect to be broke as a student, especially a flight student! lol.

The problem lies in opportunity to children. You can't tell a kid 'go get a job', well, unless he's a teen, and then, if that family is in poverty, gov expects the teen to provide support for the family with his job- that isn't why teens get jobs.

You want to know what a family of four with a disabled single parent makes? I doubt it.

I know from personal experiance that many many *opportunities* in life have been squashed for me by this.. While I am perfectly happy creating my own wealth and not living off the government teat when I am ready to do so, it has caused more problems than you can imagine.

It wasn't a lie that poverty breeds poverty.

Many modern day Republicans DID work for their money, but hey had great opportunities through their fathers, especially in the ways of education.

So, basically, opportunity, is availible to everyone to some degree- what some people fail to understand is it isn't the same opportunity for everyone. I'm emphasising children to young adults here.. In reality there is really not much we can do to change this situation.. It's kind of sad but it's the way it is. My best hope is to atleast raise the stigma and arrogance against people in poverty.

Was going to end on that but I'll say a couple more things. The democrats need to chill a bit and be happy.. We have a pretty decent level of socalism (note: socialism in small doses is not bad), medical care for those that cannot afford it and elderly, food, etc, etc.

posted 06-12-2003 03:36 AM            

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I'm not blaming anyone, I expect to be broke as a student, especially a flight student! lol.

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I can relate to that more than you know….Good luck on your training, btw…Times have been a little tough for pilots lately, but the market should be picking up, I would think. You might have some stiff competition with those pilots leaving the military, as far as the job market goes…But you are not “poor” as a student…get that out of your head. You are just temporarily broke….like a battery storing up energy. You are a potential excellent income waiting to happen.

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The problem lies in opportunity to children. You can't tell a kid 'go get a job', well, unless he's a teen, and then, if that family is in poverty, gov expects the teen to provide support for the family with his job- that isn't why teens get jobs.

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I don’t think the government expects anything here, or has a right to. Welfare helps…but it’s a tough situation for the kids of welfare parents. I think the best thing the kid can do to support the family (if he chooses) is to get that education.

Community colleges are great for this, and in most states they’re still fairly cheap, but they give you fundamental skills required to get a higher paying job in the job market.

For example, you can get some great graphic design and computer or CAD skills at a community college that could land a fairly high paying job right off the bat….and I believe there are even government programs that would supplement these costs of education. Even welding and mechanic courses, would yield fairly high paying jobs (except automotive mechanics often have to invest a huge amount in tools, and working conditions are less than ideal) I would think that it’s a far better path to get a fundamental skill at a community college and support the parents with a higher paying job…than to bypass the higher education and try to support the parents working at McDonalds…Of course, it’s the kid’s choice whether he/she wants to support the parents at all. That shouldn’t be a kid’s worry, but I know it is a reality in many cases.

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I know from personal experiance that many many *opportunities* in life have been squashed for me by this.. While I am perfectly happy creating my own wealth and not living off the government teat when I am ready to do so, it has caused more problems than you can imagine.

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Well….you are a great person for doing this. I had a much easier situation in that I had supportive parents…and my dad had a great job, but I can imagine how hard it must be. I failed at hundreds of things (I proudly admit) even though every opportunity was presented to me. Sometime, the hurdles make us stronger though. Obligations like yours early on can be a great training tool for developing the determination needed to succeed though.

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Many modern day Republicans DID work for their money, but hey had great opportunities through their fathers, especially in the ways of education.

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I don’t know about this….Personally speaking, when I started to make real money, it had nothing to do with any help my parents provided, or any formal education I received. Actually, I started making money by educating myself and training myself in skills they don’t even teach in schools…Come to think of it, I think I read somewhere that most millionaires didn’t even complete college and were c or b students in high school.

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You want to know what a family of four with a disabled single parent makes? I doubt it.

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I can imagine…if it’s less than 30K it’s going to be unbelievably tough. Disabilities are something that does require some outside help. I can see your position on the need for government help here. But YOU are probably the best potential your parent has. I know I’d rather rely on you being successful than a government hand out. Flying just happens to be a fairly tough area to start out though, because the competition is fierce. I don’t want to scare you, but you might be setting yourself up for a struggle there…..Don’t get me wrong though, you CAN do it if you want it badly enough, but it‘s just a tougher area to start out in than other careers if you don‘t have military training, What if you were to continue with the flight training but also get some other skills on the side? Often it’s the little things, that can turn into greater profit opportunities than the big career we are trying for. For example, you can get started in stock trading fairly cheaply. It doesn’t take much of an investment to learn to trade stocks. I know many financial gurus may disagree with me, but I really think the best books to learn how to trade are Wade Cook’s series of books, The Wallstreet Money Machine, Stock Market Miracles, and Bear Market Baloney would be great investments. You can get them at Amazon or Barnes and Noble.com

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Was going to end on that but I'll say a couple more things. The democrats need to chill a bit and be happy.. We have a pretty decent level of socalism (note: socialism in small doses is not bad), medical care for those that cannot afford it and elderly, food, etc, etc.

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I agree with you here, just that it should not be federalized. The whole concept of insurance for example, is a socialist concept. It becomes a socialist system when it is federalized and mandated. On a local level however, these are compassionate and responsible concepts.

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So why can't everyone chill out? We don't really need any less or more socialism. I would agree to stricter welfare laws, as long as people who are on welfare are not automatically assumed to be 'cheating the system'.

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posted 06-12-2003 03:41 AM            

I don't think someone who is qualified for a job should get welfare, atleast not longterm. If someone can prove they are activily seeking a job, then put them on short term assistance until they can find one.

I think you are right about the whole training thing though, there needs to be oppurtunity for skills and jobs for those willing to get them.

"The whole concept of insurance for example, is a socialist concept. It becomes a socialist system when it is federalized and mandated. On a local level however, these are compassionate and responsible concepts."

I agree, but an issue I see with local governments (it can be a good or bad thing) is effectiveness of said government. There is such a gap between states in varying issue, it's kind of mind boggling. You have some great local governments at both the state and city levels, but there are some very poor ones as well. I suppose it is the responsibility of the people in the state to actually elect people who aren't screwing them over, and take local government as a more serious prospect.

Sometimes I like to complain even when I know there isn't anything much there can be done out of my control... Well, that's really the only time I like to complain .

All and all I'm just a nieve kid with my views on the world
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Now that that's over..

posted 06-12-2003 03:51 AM            

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I came off a bit bitchy in that one... not my intention, lol!

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Not at all....!

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I don't think someone who is qualified for a job should get welfare, atleast not longterm. If someone can prove they are activily seeking a job, then put them on assistance until they can find one.

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....I can agree with that. It would depend on how this system is structured to prevent abuse though.

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Sometimes I like to complain even when I know there isn't anything much there can be done out of my control... Well, that's really the only time I like to complain .

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It's a hard thing to do...but I think it eases emotional tension to worry about the things I can control, and not sweat the things I can't. For example, income is something I have direct control over....Relationships or finding that perfect person is not. So I tend to worry more about the former than the latter. Gives me more peace of mind.

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I know flying is a tough prospect these days... It should be interesting.. I am always still considering a military option but it is unlikely. I am not going to get my degree(s) in the aviation field, so I will be trained to do something else if everything falls through.

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Good deal...I hope you make it in aviation, but like you said, it's tough out there. It's not as bad as trying to be an actor (for comparison), but it might help to take a similar approach actors take. For example, most actors keep the goal in mind of one day being an actor full time. They do a lot of plays and things like that to keep their skills up, but they also have other forms of income. If you remember the sitcom Taxi...you know what I mean ...

Edited to note, that by local...I don't necessarily mean local government. I should have used the term "privatized" as opposed to federalized. We always get into real trouble when we try to federalize socialist concepts such as insurance. Private industry is always much better at dealing with problems such as health care, than the Federal government.

posted 06-12-2003 04:30 AM            

As a conservative, one of the attitudes that irks me the most of SOME conservatives are those who thumb their nose at society and say…“I'm rich and you are not, and I'm not going to tell you how to get rich, and all homeless people are drug addicts and should just go out and get a job“....Oh, and the best one you always hear is…“I got where I am through hard work” ....Well hard work is all fine and good, but ditch diggers are hard workers. I always say…Tell me how you did it!

The key is working smart, not necessarily hard. I think one of the solutions in improving our education system is to actually ingrain in kids the fundamental principals of business and making money from a very early age. That just should be as second nature as breathing in the greatest capitalist county the world has ever known.

It's amazing to think about it, but most schools don't really teach you skills in making money....Oh yeah, they teach you how to get an entry level job at Burger King, if that, but they don't teach you the principals of actual wealth production. That would be one solution I would offer to society.. How to build wealth starting with nothing. It should be taught in grade school…and in high school. There should be a class in wealth production 101. If someone were to leave my school for example, they would leave knowing EXACTLY what they need to do to become wealthy, and they would have ALREADY begun that process before they walked out the door. This is actually, not greed…the fact is that the more wealthy people there are, the better, because wealthy people create good paying jobs, so it makes sense to focus on educating people to become wealthy. Wealth is not a zero sum game it is shared and it is contagious.

posted 06-12-2003 12:07 PM            

(heavily influenced by listening to Barry Goldwater for many years)

First- (and most effective)
Bar lawyers from serving in the house or senate or becoming President.
Keep lawyers off the supreme Court.
(limit that to ordinary Americans who will read the plain text of the US Constitution and rule accordingly.

second-
Outlaw political parties and make each person run as an independent.
Third copy Arizona's excellent campaign finance law.
However much candidate A spends is matched exactly for A's opponent to make the playing field level at all times.
Fourth institute absolute term limits!
Remember the class of 94 who ran on 'term limits'
They are still there, proving themselves liars, sold out to the lure of wealth and power above principle.

Summary
Take the country back from the rich and make it again a government of by and for the people.

Make the first $25,000.00, from any source tax free!
Let those who have the money, pay the money & quit stealing bread out of the mouths of the poor)
Actually become a Christian nation?

Eliminate income tax and
tax property
(accumulation of wealth) instead of earnings.

Tax inheritance heavily
to prevent the rise of an elite class whose power is based on inherited wealth
(like the European nobility system this country was formed to escape)

make service to America:
Military Police Fireman, social worker mandatory.

Limit terms in each profession, to reduce the number of those who form an 'us and them' tribal ethics attitude.

Make selection of officer soley a choice of promotion from within the ranks, to eliminate the class of snobs who think themselves better than real people because of the degree, their parents may have purchased for them.

Merit only!

Tax churches property holdings!

Charities are one thing, but wealth accumulation is another entirely.

Poor parishoners, attending services with empty bellies, in million dollar buildings!
Christ said "sell all you have and give to the poor."
Not accumulate wealth while your flock suffers.

end of In My Own Words.

posted 06-12-2003 12:09 PM            

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I've got another solution- follow a few European countries' lead and make the two years following high school either mandatory community or military service.

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Well we had the draft….and this sounds like Federal government intrusion into the lives of people, big time. Hardly something you want to do in a free country

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Another- make personal changes to respect everyone else's personal opinion and rights to it.

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And who’s going to enforce this? The thought police? LOL….Let’s just make no debating in Congress because differing ideas are offensive…Geeeez Louise…

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And another- make an effort to realize that the reason we exist isn't to prosper financially.

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On a spiritual level yes. On a reality level, prospering financially should be encouraged, because it’s the best way of eliminating poverty.

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Hell, I'm fueled by Vicadin and orange juice, I'm gonna keep going.

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Obviously….Yes you are

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-Give tax breaks for voting.

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OH MY GAWD….Definitely a liberal Democrat here. Tax breaks for voting? Sounds like a perfect politician’s way to bribe a person to vote for him. Should we really encourage that kind of thing? Hey, I’ve got a better and far more fair and moral idea. Why don’t we give tax breaks to everyone who pays taxes?

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-Create third and fourth parties into government so those of us feeling like we're choosing between the lesser of two evils have more options.

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They already have third and fourth parties. We have the green party. We have the libertarian party. We have the communist party of America….But the thing is, not enough people seem to want to vote these guys into office. Then we have that little constitutional amendment business…Heck, why not just throw that pesky constitution out, and force a third and forth party down people’s throats. That sounds American.

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-Decriminalize recreational drugs,

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Decriminalize recreational drugs? How do you define recreational? Ecstasy? Heroin? LSD? Cocaine? Meth? Yeah, wouldn’t it be a wonderful world if people addicted to these substances were flying my airplane or removing my tooth with that drill…And who cares if that crane operator lifting that 500 ton beam is a little high on pot, or having a bad LSD trip, or going insane on Meth?

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suck the profit (read: crime) right out of the business.

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Geeez this is as far left as it gets…so now you’re saying all business (except the sale of drugs in your world) is crime? And no business should profit?….Holy shite!

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Tax the hell out of it and wipe out the federal deficit in months. If people want to melt their minds- it's their right. They're doing it everyday with WB, MTV, and Fox (Simpsons not included).

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Yeah, let’s just tax business out of business so they lay everyone off and the economy comes to a stand still. It might be the end of capitalism, the economy, and America as we know it…..but hey, the deficit would be paid off!

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-Pay teachers, fireman, policeman, and social workers at least half of what we pay members of congress.

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Well…..maybe the first halfway plausible idea here. But who’s the monarch who sets these benevolent salaries? Maybe it would be better to cut the salaries of Congress instead, and take away from them the power to set their own salaries? Why not limit government, as the constitution does, instead of mandating what local organizations do?

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-Completely sever any connection between religion and government.

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A liberal idea if ever I heard one. This country was based on Christian values. In God We Trust is on all the money for a reason. God is an essential element in the creation of the constitution, which you would have to amend, by the way, to separate church and state. There is no separation of Church and State clause in the constitution. Amendment will require a super majority in Congress…….Good luck…..most of those people are devoutly religious!

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-Aggressively fund public transportation.

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We already do (unfortunately)….but people prefer their cars….go figure. How about giving people the choice to choose the transportation they like, leave more money in their pockets so they can choose, rather than sapping their pocket books with extreme taxation to fund a system they may never use. I would never use the bus, and sit next to the guy who hasn’t bathed in half a year just so I can enjoy the experience of not even getting close to where I’m going by way of taking a million stops and a round-about route to get there..and it doesn’t run on my schedual to boot! I prefer my car. Why should I be forced to pay for your bus when that money could be going to keep my car in good condition?

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-Stop municipal landfills, require everyone to bury their waste in their own backyard. People will think twice before they throw something out.

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Oh this is a beaut! And I thought we’ve come so far since the middle ages when raw sewage and garbage flooded the gutters! Now Graeme wants to send us back! And liberals consider themselves environmentalists????!!! LOL! Call the county municipalities…..QUICK….Graeme wants to beautify the city of Sebastopol by burying garbage in everyone’s back yard! Hey, if I’m too lazy to bury mine, and just want to put it on my front lawn, is that legal?….Or are we going to have to spend more tax payer money (derived somehow from people who now don‘t have jobs because their business were taxed out of existence) to hire a whole new agency of garbage police?

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-Do not allow people with deep connections to industry (e.g. oil) to hold public office.

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Yeah….we wouldn’t want people who actually know how to run a business and who understand the lifeblood of the American economy (oil). Let’s just keep all those lawyers in there. Lawyers never screw anything up….Pshhaawwww

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-Reduce the normal work day from 8+ hours to 6. More time for their family and themselves make workers happy.

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Daaaang! I don‘t believe I‘m reading this stuff!….So who’s going to hire all these lazy bums to work only 6 hours? Is government going to force businesses to do this and therefore go out of business? I guarantee you, if this happens, there won’t be any businesses to work 6 hours for. Everyone will be flat-ass poor (not broke) and the lines at the government soup stands will make the old Soviet Union during the height of communist oppression look desirable. Oh…and if you want toilet paper, that’s another line, and you’re going to have to bury it in your back yard, assuming you can afford a back yard, without that job…in which case you’ll have to bury it in your cardboard house where you sleep at night….

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-Reinstall physical education, art, and critical thinking curriculum into the daily school day.

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Ok….even a stopped clock is right twice a day…

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-Respect differing opinions and beliefs, regardless of how different from your own.

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Why? Some opinions and beliefs just suck more than others….All opinions and ideas are not equal! Why should I be forced to respect them? If someone tells me to worship Satan, and Saddam Hussein and go fly a 767 into a building, should I respect that opinion and belief?.

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I know I stated this before, but we need to realize that because in the grand scheme of things- none of us are right about anything (except John Lennon- he was right about that love thing).
Thank you, I'll dismount from my high horse now.

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posted 06-12-2003 12:37 PM            

A closed mind may be wrong forever!

Balance;
Reagan's Earned Income Tax Credits
vs/
Businesses actually paying a living wage.

EITC uses tax money to pay business skinflints to stay rich and encourages underpaying those who earn the money business owners accumulate.

EITC is tax money subsidizing busnesses which severely underpay their employees.

Think minimum wage is too high?
work for and live on minimum wage for five years!
Then comment intelligently, instead of pontificating stupidly!

I once spent nearly a thousand dollars trying to find 'one person who lost a job solely due to an increase in minimum wage'.

Hundreds of calls and FOIA requests to agencies,
and pestering RW front organizations for over a year.

Nobody ever lost a job because of an increase of minimum wage!

More money equals more workers to choose from.
Larger labor pool means let go the less productive.
More money equals more motivation to show up and do a good job.

Hard work never did anything but wear someone out prematurely.

Work smarter not harder is a Union motto!

Be born to wealthier families is the real world application!

Oprah once featured those who "started with nothing and made it!"

eg: A black man who borrowed one hundred thirty thousand dollars to start a cake shop.

hey!

Poor people cannot borrow even a hundred dollars!

$130,000.00 and Oprah thinks that's starting on a shoestring.

Takes money to make money!

Governments that totally fund education as long as students make good grades.
(GI Bill as glaring example!)
Give people bootstraps to pull themselves up by.
And create a middle class.

Lincoln said the purpose of government is to do for the people what they cannot do for themselves or cannot very well do for themselves.

Linclon was murdered!
The VP (Johnson) who tried to carry out Lincoln's programs was impeached.

By those who'd sold out to power and wealth.

Christian nation?
Not in the last two centuries!

America is an empire/ not a Republic.

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eg: A black man who borrowed one hundred thirty thousand dollars to start a cake shop.
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Poor people cannot borrow even a hundred dollars!
$130,000.00 and Oprah thinks that's starting on a shoestring.
Takes money to make money!

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Yes…it takes money to make money. Poor people who cannot borrow a 100 dollars can get a job and save 100 dollars. 100 shares of a dollar stock can be purchased for 100 dollars. (well throw in a 7 dollar commission)….100 dollars can easily go to 200 dollars if you choose the stock correctly……With 200 bucks you can buy 400 shares of a 50 cent stock….That stock goes to 1.50 and you’ve just turned your 200 into 600. By this time, you can add another 100 bucks savings from the job….you now have 700 to work with. Buy 1400 shares of a .50 cent stock and you’ve got 1400 bucks if that stock doubles in value. Now repeat the process….Contribute from work, flip your stock…..buy some skills to upgrade your job, when you hit $5000 in the stock market. Get a higher paying job, contribute more to stocks with those skills you bought….make offers on real-estate, look for deals where owners will carry back financing. Make 100 offers to get one. Then sell the house at a profit, repeat….Buy a bigger house,….trade more stock….REPEAT…. Now you have money to start that cleaning business….Maybe you find a partner to offset some of the costs. Maybe you find a distressed seller of a profitable franchise that just needed a little creativity to work. Maybe you have a better idea how to make a widget….so your business cleans up.

What I’ve just shown you here is how to become rich from nothing….and you’ve just used the two vehicles that have made more millionaires than anything else on the planet, the stock market, and real-estate. Owning your own business is, of course a universal wealth builder. The price you paid was 1.compromising your lifestyle, even in the harshest way possible in order to save money…(you didn’t waste your money on drugs, hookers and porno)…You saved by working over time, and odd jobs on the weekends if necessary, and even with your meager job, you made enough to invest in some stock. 2. You put in the effort to learn how to trade. Priceless knowledge can often be had for a very cheap price….3. You took the risk and put your knowledge to work in the markets. 4. You had dogged determination and didn’t let any set-backs deter you. You kept expanding your wealth and diversifying, you set high goals that did not limit you. 5. You just did what it takes to become a millionaire.

posted 06-12-2003 11:53 PM            

I would however like to comment on this written by Shatoga>

Make selection of officer soley a choice of promotion from within the ranks, to eliminate the class of snobs who think themselves better than real people because of the degree, their parents may have purchased for them.

If this does not sound vindictive than what does? Sounds like an axe to grind to me.
I would also like to point out that instead of creating a new federal program for all that gets corrupted why don't we just enforce the laws like we should instead of always creating a new program. I'm all for cutting our politicians self voted raises out and would cut their pay one third to start (the federal ones that is).