posted 06-21-2003 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Fastwalker:
I think it is you who demonstrate utter stupidity by saying the bible is talking about modern liberalism by use of the word liberal, ...

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>Merriam-Webster's
Main Entry: 1lib·er·al
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lEodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free <

Latin- Greek-
a word whose meaning has been virtually unchanged for over two thousand years.
The translators of the Bible (with divine guidance) chose the correct word.

Modern Liberalism has always worked to extend Freedom to ever more people.

When colonial planters and farmers were the Liberals they broke from England and escaped the rule of inherited wealth "Monarchy"
and established this constitutional Republic.
{conservatives of the time were the Tories-who supported the monarchy}

When Republicans were the Liberals, they ended slavery.
{conservatives of the time supported slavery}

Liberal Republicans and Democrats passed labor laws ending child labor in sweatshops.
{conservatives of the time supported the Robber Barons and thier sweatshops}

Liberal Republicans and Democrats extended to women the right to vote.
{conservatives of th etime opposed womens' suffrage}

Liberal Republicans and Democrats passed the 1964 Voting Rights Act and the Great Society 'Welfare' programs.
{conservatives of the time (Dixiecrats)opposed black people voting and were agains integration/
Nixon's southern Strategy made them welcome as the core of the Republican xtian Right}

A so called "Progressive Conservative" is Liberal who calls him/her self by a false name.

There is nothing progressive about Conservatism.
It represents an attempt to return to a mythical "good old days" which never existed.

Except for the priviledged few.

posted 06-21-2003 01:35 PM            

Check out the title of this thread. Notice, if you will, that it's titled MODERN liberalism. Yesterday's liberal, like JFK, would be considered a conservative by today's meaning of the word. We are talking about meanings, not dictionary definitions that do not apply to current realities, or Biblical uses of words that do not have the modern meaning or context.

I'm going to suggest to you that today's liberal, is really a socialist/communist in disguise, or a dupe of communist/socialist propaganda and fantasy such as yourself. The fact that they call themselves liberal, or progressive...or any other name, is a fraud designed to deceive and trick people into voting for them. They are really communists…as demonstrated by their agenda, and the term liberal has become the word of choice to describe of this type of individual. When you say "liberal" to a modern conservative, we instantly know EXACTLY what you are talking about, hence the word does what words do very well…it ascribes instant meaning. Liberals, however, have come to dislike the term because of the connotation it has come to have, because it accurately has come to describe the true reality that they are trying to hide. That's why they are trying to adopt the term "progressive"....What they really are is neither progressive OR liberal. A sure sign that you are indeed a true leftist however, is that you say you hate labels.

Liberals are destroying the state of California. Liberals made China the nuclear threat it is today. They do not feed the poor, they steal from the poor to line their pockets. This is what the modern liberal is all about. I dare you to confront the California issue directly Shitoga, and tell me what you think liberals have done for the state. This is an exercise in REALITY....The modern liberal avoids truth and reality like the plague. You are making my case, Shitoga. You are the epitome of the definition of modern liberal.

posted 06-21-2003 04:47 PM            

Limbaugh Newspeak (Newtspeak)
reversal of meanings in the propaganda of Big Brother

You just go on believing might makes right....
go believing everthing fed to your eager accepting dittohead by those who tell you what to think say and post.
go on swallowing whatever your side feeds you.
http://www.lcr.org
fits here

Dictionaries strive to present unbiased factually accurate definitions of all words.

That 'newtspeak' propaganda tells you 'bad is good' and 'dark is light' and 'good is evil'..
does not make it so.

It just shows how deluded and mind controlled you are.

Calling dictionaries
and even the Bible wrong
just because the simple direct words in them contradict your cult leaders' propaganda.

Written and posted knowing, in advance FW does not think for his/her it'self nor compose his/her/it's own posts.

Accepting fully this is a dialogue with the RNC team leader's surrogates posting as 'Fast Walker'.

And amused that; they
in aggregate have an IQ of only two digits!
As evidenced by their posts.

posted 06-21-2003 04:56 PM            

If you can't understand a simple concept that words (as we use them in the real world) change meanings over time, especially with our nice americanized language, then.. well.. what the hell? Go back to gradeschool!

FW did not say the definition of liberal is wrong. Modern liberalism, as in, the group of people or persons who call them selves liberal, are different philosophy wise than "liberals" of past, or the actual definition of liberal.

posted 06-21-2003 05:03 PM            

Want a correct definition of any word in any language?
Pull an unbiased reference book off the shelf.
dictionary staffs spend time and effort to be factually correct on every single word in every edition!
No politics or bias involved except a desire to get an accurate definition!

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Nixon as President,
Kissinger as Secretary of State,
and George HWBush as Ambassador to Communist China and then Ambassador to the UN

arranged to kick Taiwan (Free China) out of the UN and gave Communist China
a seat in the UN and a place on the UN Security Council
(with a veto vote!)

No people ever served the cause of international communism so faithfully or so well!
(America's Conservative Republicans served Mao so well and faithfully!)

Republican National Committee Chairman Haley Barber took campaign money from Communist China. (copped a plea admitting to doing so)

FBI agents and Naval intelligence agents
hired and given security cleareances during the Reagan bush administration
sold secrets to Communist China.

Repeat the mantra of lies accusing Clinton of what Republicans have copped pleas to, and what history records as fact.

Deluded or stupid?

Hitler's big lie technique is in use full throttle as rightwingnuts attempst to gloss over their ongoing collusion with Communist China.
Pres. George(opium poppy)Bush went to China right after Tianimen Square,
With not one word spoken about the massacre of Chinese Liberals in Tianamen square.

Accurate and correct definition of Liberal:

Unchanged for over two thousand years:
Main Entry:
1 lib·er·al
Greek eleutheros free
Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free
perhaps akin to Old English lEodan to grow,

----not bound by authoritarianism----

unchanged for over two thousand years!

----not bound by authoritarianism----

associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom,
greater individual participation in government,
and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
Same as it ever was!
Same as it ever was!
Same as it ever was!

----not bound by authoritarianism----

RNC minions will
demand the links be posted yet again
to support the simple proven facts cited above.

Others and myself have posted the links ad nauseum RW dittoheads.
Actually visit a link for once! then complain about your closed mind and open mouth!)

posted 06-21-2003 11:11 PM            

States (all of them _ are suffering thanks to bad fiscal non discipline at the federal level.
(borrow and spend republicans/mortgaging our grandchildrens' future for their short term gain)

Reposted because you cons(ervatives) pretend a cogent statement posted in one topic does not apply in another.

More of your institutional dishonesty

Because Grey Davis )D)CA is caught in the same Bush regime's deliberate shortfalls
unfunded mandates for the states
as
Bob Riley (R) AL

Another example is Alabama's (R) governor Riley's plan to raise taxes.
The xtian coalition advised everyone to vote for Riley because he would not raise their taxes.
They now say it's OK for a (R) to raise taxes but still wrong for a (D) to raise taxes.
You see it was 'just tax and spend big government' when the former (D) governor said a tax hike was needed to fund education.
Now that Riley, a (R) says the same thing is the same words.. it has suddenly become
'needed tax reform to fund education'

Hypocrisy? NO!
Unwavering obedience to their leaders!

Difference?
Absolute refusal to accept the truth from 'the other side'
Iw was 'all lies' when Liberals told the truth.
Now it's 'God's honest truth' when heard from the rightwing.

Once again passing 'Liberals' lies'
through conservatives' lips transformed them into truth.

they will accept views they previously disagreed with;
so long as the rhetoric comes from their own leaders.
No hypocrisy in mindlessly following the leader.
Even if the leader is advocating what was violently opposed six months ago.

posted 06-22-2003 08:09 AM            

Notice, for example, how the Shitster avoided any relevant discussion about what liberalism has done to California or what the modern term liberal has come to mean. I mean, in the case of California, we are dealing with factual history that can’t be argued….but we see here how Shitoga goes out of his way to avoid honest facts. I don’t understand this mentality. How can you go through your life avoiding reality like this? This is one major hallmark of a typical modern liberal.

California, if you will note, is controlled by a liberal Democrat legislature and one of the most corrupt, incompetent liberal Governors in the history of the United States. When Pete Wilson was governor, we had a budget surplus of around 10 billion dollars. Gray-out Davis quickly turned that into the largest state deficit any individual state in the United States has ever known, around 38 billion...and climbing…..and it has had a major retarding effect on the rest of the US economy.

What causes deficits? Again, we see here a fundamental ignorance on the part of Shatoga (typical of liberals) as to what causes deficits. SPENDING causes deficits, and who controls the spending in California? The state legislature and the Governor who signs policy into law….that’s who…

The Democrat solution is always to raise taxes to compensate for their outrageously reckless wasteful spending, and in doing so, California has the highest taxes per capita in the nation...but that wasn't enough. The legislature just tripled the car tax, despite the constitution and California law that says the state coffers must be completely depleted before it could raise DMV fees. Having just borrowed 11 billion dollars, the state is not broke….but the liberals love taxes so much that they tripled them anyway despite the law.

Now this brings me to another fundamental characteristic of liberals....They are absolutely clueless as to the effects of taxation. What excessive taxation does is to cause businesses to leave the state, and deters start up business from coming to the state. California, is perhaps the least business friendly state in the nation right now due to runaway taxation by liberals taxing the hell out of everything that moves. One California liberal politician even proposed a 5 cent nipple tax for women...(loooong story) I kid you not. Another proposed tax on soda pop. Now they are going for a fat tax (and I mean fat literally) on hamburgers.....another proposed a tax on refined sugar. All this while, the world has maniacal Muslim fundamentalists trying to blow up major buildings and landmarks...liberals are worried about taxing soda pop and SUVs and destroying business...and punishing our own citizens.

It's beyond idiocy...It's an absolute sickness. I agree completely wit talk show host Michael Savage on that point, that modern liberalism is indeed a mental disease....

Shi.....er I mean, Shatoga illustrates the diseased mind very well. Keep talking Shatoga. I could not ask for a better demonstration of my points.

Oh and notice one other prominent characteristic of liberals....they never respond honestly and directly to an honest question. Notice how Shatoga illustrates the tendency so well to always change the subject, obfuscate, throw up a smoke screen of false innuendo and outright lies...blame everything but the cause of problems..It's a COMPLEX mental disease..

As a side note to some of the Shitmeisters accusations, let me just say that Rush has been very hard on Bush latelyas he should be. I don't care what Bush's strategy is with the health care....even if it is taking a liberal campaign issue off the table. It's the 180 degree wrong way to go about it. You leftists really want something to attack GW on? It's not the WMD issue...that will stick. The public is smart enough to understand that Saddam did likely have WMDs just before the war. The thing that could stick however, is the fact that GW is angering his conservative base to attract liberal votes. You attack him on this, and you just might gain some traction, because people like me who are bound by facing issues truthfully and honestly are going to have agree with you...because it has a basis in truth. Lies about WMDs, are not gaining any traction however, because that accusation has no demonstrable basis in truth or reality.

posted 06-23-2003 11:13 AM            

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Another well said post fastwalker. I might add the liberals are trying to change their skins and call themselves moderates because it's shameful to be liberal with assinine policies

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Well, thankyou Professor, can you tell by the grammar I was a bit tired when I wrote that? It's true though, liberals must know what they believe in doesn't work in reality and that liberal policies tend to lean towards the extremely ridiculous...(and dangerous when applied to things like national security). They are afraid to be identified for what they are. The average conservative, by contrast, is usually proud to admit he/she's a conservative.

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and like you said some republicans are just as idiotic but most of us neocons are brave enough to face down the issues and try to sensibly resolve them

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I’ve only seen the term “neocon” on this board as Mech was using it. I disagree with this term because neo means new. I’m not a new conservative. I’ve held the same political beliefs since I first became politically aware. And, they are hardly NEW beliefs. Conservative political philosophy has it’s basis in the philosophies that were the foundation of the United States…It is also a mainstream philosophy. There is nothing NEW about it.

I would agree however that no politician seems immune to idiocy, Republican OR Democrat, except that the Democrats seem to have the market cornered on idiocy. I make the argument many times, that the Republicans who make policy which is idiotic (such as gasoline taxes) are usually liberals. There are few liberals on the Republican side, but they are still there. I think Republicans lack backbone much of the time and give in to the enemies of this country who are trying to convert the US into a socialist state when they should be doing anything BUT compromizing. Federalized health care is one of these things that frosts me. Bush didn't need to cave into this, and would have done fine in the next election, but instead of trying to sell the conservative case to the people....he did chose a strategy that compromises on principal. It's just not a good idea to keep giving liberals what they want. The strategy of taking liberal issues off the campaign table is going to backfire eventually, and Republicans end up compromising the essential reason for which their base votes for them. They become the party they are fighting...

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Wether what party there from if it's bullshit they need to be called on it!

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posted 06-23-2003 11:59 AM            

Who would expect to get a factually correct description of America from a palestinean Arab?
Only an insider.
An American with government experience can really say what goes on in the corridors of power in DC.

Who would expect to get a factually correct description of rightwing RNC Republicans from a Liberal Democrat?
Only an insider, an RNC member can say what goes on behind closed doors at RNC meetings.

Simple logic to th eunbiased!

I am the only one posting in this topic who is a DNC member and a Liberal.
I'm the only one who sees and hears what goes on behind closed doors.

We plot and plan how to get more Americans involved in government.
How to extend freedom to more people.
(increase voter registration, and how to get votes actually counted)
How to help battered women flee from abusive husbands (suport for "Aid For Dependent Children"/welfare)
How to keep violent criminals in jail longer by shifting the phony drug war to "treatment"
so they can keep working, supporting their families and paying taxes;
instead of imprisonment for non violent offenses, at taxpayer's expense.
How to protect social Security (Honor thy Father and mother) from rightwingers raids on the funds.
How to keep Medicare and Medicaid funded as Bush shifts money to military aid for Iraq and away from aid to america's sick and infirm.

Not one single Liberal has signed over title to all their property to the government.
Never at any meeting has any Liberal spoken out for holding another thousand incommunicado or supported suspending the Bill of Rights/ both of which Bush's administration has done.

There is a lot of anger that no legislator was allowed to read the Enablicg Act /Patriot Act before voting on it.
America went from a constitutional Republic to a police state with that one bill which Bush signed.

The Dictionary staffs work constantly to update definitions to keep them current as slang and technobabble is added to our language.

Sects which internally engage in Newspeak reversal of meanings may be significant to members of that sect,
but words must come into general meaning before they enter or change a dictionary listing.

My listing is valid.
if it had become standard Newspeak/Newtspeak,
the listing would be changed.
That the team here listens only to the extreme right (who use that reversal of meaning in their propaganda) is their problem.

Remember bush won with less than half the vote.
half of potential voters succumber to rw propaganda and didn't even vote.
Over half of those who did vote voted for Gore.
On his most popular day (inaguration)
Bush was supported by less than one fourth of America's voters!

Of course if you, like the team here,
listen only to that one fourth?

Delusions posted show the results.

FW chem et al paraphrased:
Unbiased reference books are wrong because our cult leaders tell us so.

And your cult leaders are:
D, Liberal insiders who can speak from personal knowledge?
Or
R, sworn enemies of all Liberals who push propaganda to discredit their enemies?

Rush Limbaugh (radio broadcast) November 2002
"We've got to get rid of those moderates and centrists who stand in the way of the Conservative Vision!"

Hmmm!
Getting rid of
purging your ranks of "moderates centrists"
and you claim to know anything about Liberals
who actively oppose that police state?
Not likely.

(been both a R insider working for R Senators and Congressmen
and now a D insider who has seen both sides from the inside.

Which of you rightwingers has worked for Democrats in DC?

Which of you knows anything other than what your rightwing leaders tells you to know?

posted 06-23-2003 02:31 PM            

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I am the only one posting in this topic who is a DNC member and a Liberal.
I'm the only one who sees and hears what goes on behind closed doors

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Everyone knows what goes on behind DNC closed doors. It's the same old tired playbook, the same old tired lies. Democrats haven't had a new idea in over 40 years, and they are almost always failures. Right now the strategy is repetition. Repeat a lie often enough, the press will assist you, and the weak-minded dupes who vote for Democrats will begin to believe it. The accusations of Bush lying about WMDs is one of the latest talking points. Newt Gingrich's out of context phrase "wither on the vine" is another which Democrats are using to attempt to demonize the Republican position on Medicare. None of you leftists think for yourself. You just mindlessly repeat the party line...that's why I already know what you are going to say before you say it. I know your tactics before you employ them. It is impossible to have a mind of your own and be in the Democratic party…It takes a certain lack of intelligence to have to believe every lie you are told by the leadership.

posted 06-23-2003 04:59 PM            

Just as everyone knows that skull and bones sacrifice babies and worship satan?

when have you been behind DNC closed doors.

I still can get behind RNC closed doors.

There those on the dark side who want to lure me back into the cult of conservatism.

It's possibly damaging to have a former conservative insider who has joined the forces who support the constitution
against the RNC/NWO/Moonie party leadership.

Liberals are transparent.
Never has any Liberal Leader made hatefilled comments like Newt's: "..wu5t the funding & Let Social Security wither on the vine..."
Or his "Rule or Ruin!" speech that caused hundreds like me to throw their RNC cards into the trash can.

America?
Liberals love America and work for the good of for all Americans.
Rule or ruin is Nazi rhetoric.
conservatives love power and will happily destroy America in order to rule it.

CR=CC
That alliance between Conservative Republicans and Communist Chinese is typical of the "one party rule by an elite minority" crowd.

Greed above all else.
Cult of Communism/Cult of Conservatism/Nazism

Same same!

From the extreme rightwing:
>November 28, 2001
Pat Robertson Owns Internet Company In Bejing. http://www.welchreport.com/pastnews_c.cfm?rank=136
Pat Robertson owns Internet company in Beijing By Rick Wiles Copyright 2001 AmericanFreedomNews.com February 2001
TV evangelist Pat Robertson – host of the popular 700 Club and founder of the Christian Coalition – is a major investor in an Internet portal business in Red China.

Robertson reportedly invested $10 million in the Chinese venture. The television preacher’s heavy investment in Red China comes at a time when Communist Party officials are clamping down on Internet companies to control political dissent and opposition to the party’s tyrannical oppression of the nation’s 1.2 billion people – especially persecution of China’s illegal underground Christian churches.
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>Paid speakers at (Moon's) Family Federation for World Peace have included George Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early 1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University when it was facing staggering debts.<

posted 06-24-2003 12:25 PM            

In the meantime, here's a great story;

So whadya think? Would you vote for da Tuhmanator to solve California’s problems? I’d vote for Arney in a heartbeat. I can just see the debate with our insipid, pencil necked waste of human skin governor right now. I think Arney would tell it like it is…and it would go something like this…."Look at you, you girlie mon….Look at what you have done to da state of California. I vill break you…".(I’d pay good money to see that!)

The Terminator Meets
the Perfect Storm?

"When a state the size of France, with a population of 34.5 million and the sixth-biggest economy in the world is in trouble, Who do you call? Austrian-born action hero and activist Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger told Esquire magazine, “If the state needs me, and if there is no one I think better, then I will run.” A consultant says, "This, frankly, could be the perfect storm for Arnold Schwarzenegger."

posted 06-24-2003 09:58 PM            

Been there done that!

3rd rate out of work has been actor Ronald Reagan once fronted as governor of California,
and played his part so well, he was hired to front for George Bush for four years in DC.

As long as "everyone knows" is being pulled from the RNC/Bivings playbook;

"Everyone Knows" Conservatives in America
are:

>Conservatives and the "N" word
Among Conservatives,
The only "N" word not socially acceptable is "Nazi"
because it describes them so accurately.
How dare I...compare Conservatives to Nazis?
I don't!
They compare themselves to Nazis, by their rhetoric and by their actions.

The parallels in rhetoric are unmistakable:

"I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise.
There needs to be some kind of protection for
the minority which the white people represent now,
and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."
--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92
"Die Deutschen Leute verlangen Schutz!"--Adolph Hitler
The German people demand protection!
If it spouts Nazi rhetoric,

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots.
This is one nation under God."-- George Bush

"Jews should not be considered citizens of Germany." -Adolph Hitler (translated from the origional conservative/German)

Behaves like a Nazi:
>(a famous reporter at CNN) says "The news room is practically a war zone itself --
the reporters are being prevented by a single news editor
from reading stories that are coming over the wire service
if they don't promote the Administration's propaganda. (tidbit from a party)<
Sound familiar?
Nazis and the Republican Party
By Carla Binion
January 28, 2000 |
Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in "Blowback" *
that after World War II,
Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U. S.
These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees."

Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals

but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas.

The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler.

It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.<
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/brambles/499/Special_Reports/Nazis/nazis.html http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.htm http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm

"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism
and exposing the country to danger.
It works the same in any country."
Hermann Goering,

{It's working in America today!}
"Everyone Knows" -it's a Nazi party=GOP

And I'm not the only person who has noticed! http://home.attbi.com/~slimyslugs/reichstag_fire_and_september_11.htm http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html http://www.propagandamatrix.com/bush_school_photos_2.html http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/apocalypse/25_reasons.html http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/what_was_the_government_doing.htm http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/g6b_calgary.html http://the-news.net/cgi-bin/story.pl?title=September%2011%20-%20US%20Gove rnment%20accused&edition=663 http://web11.superb.net/www.nodomain.com/editorials/smoking_gun.html
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"something that's really important and is so true...
Democrats are just as patriotic about their country as Republicans"
George W. Bush- January 22, 2001

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production.

In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state.

Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance,<
{a la; Pat Robertson/ as quoted above}
> merit over equality, competition over cooperation,
power politics and militarism over pacifism,
dictatorship over democracy,
capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism,
nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, 'common sense' over theory or science,
pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
more... http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

OK team leader/ tell 'em what RW propaganda to parrot back at me.

"something that's really important and is so true...
Democrats are just as patriotic about their country as Republicans"
George W. Bush- January 22, 2001

"Everyone Knows" Dubya is incapable of being wrong about anything! Right(wingnuts)?

*further information because conservatives are incapable of using "search"
(Because,"everyone knows" they only parrot what their leaders tell them to?)

Blowback America's recruitment of Nazis, and its disastrous ...
Blowback. America's recruitment of Nazis, and its disastrous effect on our domestic
and foreign policy. by Christopher Simpson. Collier / Macmillan, 1988. ... www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/ Blowback_CSimpson.html

Christopher Simpson page
... pxiii. Blowback - Christopher Simpson. America's recruitment of Nazis,
and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy. ... www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/ Christopher_Simpson_page.html
More results from www.thirdworldtraveler.com

Amazon.com: Books: The Splendid Blonde Beast: Money, Law, and ...
... never again see the light of day, and will, like "Blowback", only be a ... Customers who
bought titles by Christopher Simpson also bought titles by these authors: ... www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ detail/-/0802113621?vi=glance

Nazis and the Republican Party
... Journalist Seymour Hersh says Christopher Simpson's BLOWBACK is "the ultimate
book about the worst kind of cold war thinking, in which some of our most ... www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/9325/Nazis.html -

posted 06-24-2003 10:27 PM            

As I learned
from years among Conservative Christian
Republicans, before,
like Barry, the extremism drove me out of the neo-con controlled parody,
of what was once a great political party.

Having insider's knowledge of both sides,
I judge the centrists (left) incapable of lockstepping to any leader's orders.
They can never be a threat.
Each one follows his/her own star.

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George Orwell quote
From Orwell's Notes on Nationalism

"All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts... Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage -- torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians -- which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by "our" side... The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."

Replace "nationalist" with "neoconservative" and you have a good picture of what's happening today.

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the bombing of civilians in both Afghanistan and Iraq continues to this day.
Now!
Post FW et al and once again prove Bush and your side have made Orwell's nightmare vision a reality:

[QUOTE]George Orwell quote
From Orwell's Notes on Nationalism
"All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts... Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage -- torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians -- which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by "our" side... The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has

It was conservatives, not Liberals who made Orwell's nightmare into our reality.

Bush and asscroft, not Clinton and Reno,
who imprisoned a thousand plus without trial
bush who cited forged documents to justify invasion of Iraq;
Bush who bragged about use of assassination in his State of the Union Speech,
Bush whose troops bomb a wedding party in Afghanistan and have killed so many thousands of civilians in Iraq, that hospitals stopped counting.
bush whose followers were outraged that a prisoner gave in under torture and told them what they wanted to hear, to end the torture.
(and they declared an orange alert, based on his lies, last spring)

posted 06-24-2003 10:44 PM            

Arnold is from Austria, by the way, and insipid means weak or banal, bland, driveling, flat, inane, innocuous, jejune, milk-and-water, namby-pamby, sapless, swashy, vapid, waterish, watery, wishy-washy. Related Words are slight, tenuous, thin; feeble, weak; subdued, tame; mild, soft; pointless

You really think Arnold fits any of these descriptions? And weak? Come on now! You cite Reagan, the greatest president the US has ever had, as an example of a bad governor? LOL...yeah, right...That flies. If that’s your definition of bad, and you’re comparing Reagan to Arnold, then bring him on! That’s EXACTLY the type of guy we need to save California! In truth, Arnold is actually way liberal for my tastes, but the man is honest, and a great businessman. Like the article says, he also has the appeal of a rock star. I think any honest, hard working individual, who loves California, as opposed to one who is actively trying to destroy the state such as Gray Davis has been doing, would be great for California. Arnold might just pull it off.

If we use your logic, of hating all people of near Germanic decent, then you should really hate Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt..Something tells me you're not consistent there, right? Oh…and Arnold is from Austria, land of the Sound of Music, not Germany…if that’s any difference to you. Although Austria was where Hitler was born, are we to assume all Austrians are like Hitler?

And regarding similarity to Nazis, it's not Bush who burned down the buildings of US citizens at Waco. It's not Bush who kicked in the door of a little Cuban boy's family and sent him back to a murderous dictator. It's not Bush who sent out his henchmen to shoot and kill the wife and son of an innocent man at Ruby Ridge. It's not Bush who armed the red Chinese with ICBMs and the N. Koreans. It's not the right wing that demonstrates the anti-semitism of the left.

And get this straight...Hitler's Germany was a form of a communist dictatorship, even though Hitler had the pretense of uniting people against a communist uprising. He was the leader of the national socialist (NAZI) party, another name for communism. Socialist/communist agendas are almost identical to modern liberalism, by the way. The main difference between a true communist party and Hitler's Nazi party was that one individual controlled the party as opposed to several elitists controlling a communist party. The tactics to gaining power, and suppressing the people are the same. If anything is true, there were many similarities to modern liberal policies in Nazi Germany, not conservative policies.

posted 06-24-2003 11:35 PM            

Media Ignore Gephardt's Vow to Crush Court

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The leftist media establishment has shown a stunning lack of interest in Rep. Dick Gephardt's bizarre threat that, if elected president, he'd overrule any Supreme Court decisions he doesn't like.

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posted 06-25-2003 12:18 AM            

or some type of mole that goes around trying to riddicule good people...

people who are "anti-everything' are not good for the U.S....shitoga's God does not exist...shitoga's United States does not exist either...in a physical sense that is...I'm sure to him it's quite real...

the rest of us know better thankfully...

the only thing wrong with arnold is "a" he can't run for president and "b" he married kennedy relation...

posted 06-25-2003 12:33 AM            

He is blind to the grevious wrongs done by herr bush yet hates all 'non neo-con conservatives'.

What have you neo-cons got against native born Americans?

Just to enjoy pulling your chain (flush) again FW- about your idol:

Arnie, like anyone who got muscles from steroids, has bulk, not strength.

He never won any weight lifting comepetetion or pentathalon.
He just pumped up on steroids to look good to you neo-cons

As many figured out in 1992 when the Bush theme song at the Republican national convention was from La Cage Aux Follies:

Arnie should get lots of votes in San Francisco... http://www.lcr.org
History is repeating it seems:
> A zealous Nazi and notorious homosexual, Ernst Roehm was the leader of the Party's paramilitary force, the "Sturmabteilung" (SA) or "Brown Shirts", which at its peak was over four million strong. <

Hmm a consistent rightwing theme?
http://www.lcrga.com/archive/98120902.shtml
>Michael Huffington's...Reagan Administration appointment in the Pentagon

In an early campaign spot in his 1994 run for the U.S. Senate, Michael Huffington quoted from William Bennett's "Book of Virtues" on the virtues of family.

Huffington decided to make his intimate life public by declaring to Esquire magazine that he is homosexual, in a detailed confessional to a writer friend, David Brock.<

why does the rightwing have this as a constant theme?
HMMM?
Log Cabin Republicans were started by a boyfriend of gay Republican Roy Cohn <
Joe McCarthy's chief investigator.

Gov. Reagan refused to extradite people for the Garrison investigation.
Protected Eugene Thane Ceasar (the guy whom the LAPD and LA County Coroner concluded actually shot RFK.

Kissinger the NWO leader is also Austrian, isn't he?
What have you neo-cons got against native born Americans?

One good thing Arnie did was hire, as bodyguard,
Vito (search term) "VanDamminator"
who punched out another screen phony tough guy. Jean Claude VanDamm, who told Vito that american bikers are worthless **&*^%$.
Vito scored a KO in one punch to the movie 'tough guy'.

You neo-cons need a dose of reality.
the smoke and mirrors of your wag-the-dog world have destroyed any connection to reality you once may have had.

Everything you claim to be against..your side is quilty of;
Everything you claim to be for..your side destroys as soon as they get the power.

posted 06-25-2003 01:02 AM            

As to the other propaganda you spouted:

quote:

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Originally posted by Fastwalker:
And get this straight...Hitler's Germany was a form of a communist dictatorship, even though Hitler had the pretense of uniting people against a communist uprising. He was the leader of the national socialist (NAZI) party, another name for communism. Socialist/communist agendas are almost identical

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>Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist."
But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production.
In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state.

Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance,
merit over equality,
competition over cooperation,
power politics and militarism over pacifism,
dictatorship over democracy,
capitalism over Marxism,
nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness,
'common sense' over theory or science,
pragmatism over principle,
and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
more... http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Again,
pulling FW's chain.
Predicted:
Again -flush forth conservative mantras instead of actual ideas and opinions.

It's much harder for us Liberals.
We think for ourselves instead of just parroting propaganda like you neo-cons do.

No jealously of your Goebbels/Rush,
who tells you what to think and say.

But still wondering:

What do you neo-cons have against native born Americans?

posted 06-25-2003 01:15 AM            

Try convincing people that Arnold S. is weak! HA HA HA....now that's a good one. Yeah those aren't real muscles. He didn't lift any weights to get that way. Winning the Mr. Universe contest over, Ferrigno (the original Hulk)..well that didn't take any work or dicipline at all! Hell, just pop a few steroids and we can all look like that! Muscles don't actually have any REAL strength. Those are just balloons.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that the world is all illusion Shathead. The rest of us must deal with reality. One reality is that I'm going to have to pay damn near 800 dollars to renew my license fee here in California, thanks to Gray out Davis. Those who own new cars are going to be paying even more. What do you think this does to new car sales, and the economy Shathead?

posted 06-25-2003 01:32 AM            

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But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production.

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Let's look at reality Shat. Name for me one truly socialist or communist country where workers control and own the means of production. Do the people in Cuba own and control the means of production? What about China? What about Russia? What about N. Korea?

Socialism always leads to communism, because human nature does not lend itself to socialism. Socialism requires an enforcing party, at which point it becomes communism. The communist party is elite, in that it stands outside the rules imposed on the people in order to enforce those rules…..rules which are designed and created by the communist party or dictator, not by representatives of the people. True socialist governments do not really exist for long in this world. They either become a capitalist hybrid type of multi-party government or they break down into a communist party or dictatorship type of government. The original settlers (Pilgrims) to this country tried socialism.....and it quickly failed miserably. They invented capitalism to insure their survival.

posted 06-25-2003 01:35 AM            

I don't understand the question...

the term "native born Americans" is rather broad....

and to add a visit to bob hartly wouldn't hurt you shitoga...your waaay to deep into it...