posted 06-28-2003 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by the professor:
If even this does not count as a WMD I'm going to strangle the first liberal I come across!
http://www.msnbc.com/news/931304.asp?0cm=c10&cp1=1

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How "Christian" of you Professor!

How well that fits Jesus injunction to "do harm to no man."

Does that mean you intend to strangle a Liberal woman?

Remove your hands from the neck of that decent American whose Free speech so offends your cult and;

Help counter this rumour:

>Posted: 2003-06-27 16:39
Nelda Rogers. Remember that name. This is a REAL American.

NELDA RODGERS.

CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq

author: Iraqwar.ru

A DOD whistleblower detail an attempt by a covert U.S. team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence.
Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/ DoD Fiascos
20.06.2003 [08:07]

In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert operations team had planted “Weapons of Mass Destruction” (WMDs) in Iraq – then “lost” them when the team was killed by so-called “friendly fire.”

The Pentagon whistleblower, Nelda Rogers, is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the Defense Department. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq.

According to Al Martin Raw.com, “Ms.Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.

The information that is being leaked out is information “obtained while she was in Germany heading up the debriefing of returning service personnel, involved in intelligence work in Iraq for the Department of Defense and/or the Central Intelligence Agency.

“According to Ms. Rogers, there was a covert military operation that took place both preceding and during the hostilities in Iraq,” reports Al Martin Raw.com, an online subscriber-based news/analysis service which provides “Political, Economic and Financial Intelligence.”

Al Martin is a retired Lt. Commander (US Navy), the author of a memoir called “The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider, " and he is considered one of America's foremost experts on corporate and government fraud.

Ms. Rogers reports that this particular covert operation team was manned by ex-military personnel and that “the unit was paid through the Department of Agriculture in order to hide it, which is also very commonplace.”

According to Al Martin Raw.com, “the Ag Department has often been used as a paymaster on behalf of the CIA, DIA, and NSA and others."

Accordng to the Al Martin Raw.com story, another aspect of Ms. Rogers' report concerns a covert operation which was to locate the assets of Saddam Hussein and his family, including cash, gold bullion, jewelry and assorted valuable antiquities.< http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=9474&lang=en

BTW professor,
on your intention to strangle a Liberal.
I argue with conservatives, but, having both truth and facts on my side,
I've no need nor desire to commit violence.
Besides us Christians/Liberals are non-violent-
as is our Liberal leader: Jesus Christ.

Item;
If Matt Drudge featured a rumour it becomes truth to your cult.
From any other source truth is regarded as lies.
Fallwellian reversal in eternal service to the Bush crime family's cult?

posted 06-28-2003 11:33 AM            

Fibbing It Up at Fox http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html

by Dale Steinreich
LewRockwell.com
June 13, 2003

Flat out lies should be confronted
~ Bill O'Reilly; Fox News Channel; May 22, 2003

Since the Iraq conflict began on March 20, Fox News has been on a
mission to legitimize it. One problem for Fox's protracted apologia is
that despite promises of evidence of current weapons of mass destruction
(WMDs) by the Bush Administration, the evidence has been ambiguous
at best. Unfortunately for the network, I’ve been keeping a scratch
diary of their reports since the war began.

Keep in mind that in the first three weeks of March, before the
bombs started officially dropping, Fox was spreading all sorts of
Pentagon propaganda.

Iraq had "drones" that it could quickly dispatch to major U.S.
metropolitan areas to spread biological agents.

Saddam was handing out chemical weapons to the Republican guard
to use against coalition troops in a last-ditch red-zone ring around Baghdad.

Given what we now know about Iraq, these reports seem to be
laughable fantasies, but they were effective in securing public backing
for the war. The following is a short chronicle of lies, propagation of
lies, exaggerations, distortions, spin, and conjecture presented
as fact. My comments are in brackets [ ]s.

March 14: On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith reports that
Saddam is planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up dams
and causing severe flood damage.

March 19: Fox anchor Shepard Smith reports that Iraqis are planning
to detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the earth to scorch
coalition forces. Fox Military Analyst Major Bob Bevelacqua states that
coalition forces will drop a MOAB on Saddam's bunker [!!] and give
him the "Mother of All Sunburns."

[After my last article, one sniveling neocon after another wrote me
to tell me I was unqualified to assess defense matters because I wasn't
a "defense analyst" (never mind that the article wasn't on the war, and
the "real" defense experts made one wrong prediction after another
on this war).

It's interesting how these sniveling Frumsters cheer on the college-
uneducated Hannity and Limbaugh when they make defense analyses
supporting the neocon view. I do know enough to say that the informed
Bevelacqua's suggestion that a MOAB would be used on a bunker was
puzzling to say the least (given the reports of less-than-dazzling
performance of daisy cutters outside caves in Tora Bora).

Anyway, later reports confirmed that GBU-28 bunker busters were
used during The Decapitation That Apparently Failed.]

March 23: The network begins 2 days of unequivocal assertions that a
100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf is a chemical
weapons plant. Much is made about the fact that it was booby trapped.
A former UN weapons inspector interviewed on camera over the phone
downplays the WMD allegations and says that booby-trapping is
common.

His points are ignored as unequivocal charges of a chemical weapons
facility are made on Fox for yet another day (March 24). Only weeks
later is it briefly conceded that the chemicals definitively detected
at the facility were pesticides.

[Jennifer Eccleston has to be the worst reporter employed by any
network. She began one segment with a "Hi there!" – in no response
to any segue from the relaying anchor at Fox headquarters in New York.
Her bangs are long and constantly blowing in her face in the wind. Her
head wobbles from side to side with her nose tracing out a figure 8 all
the while arbitrarily syncopating a monotone voice with overemphasis
on the last syllables of different words (e.g., Bagh-DAD’).

The old, white-haired flag-waving yahoos like her not for her
professionalism – she has none – but because of her innocent Britney
Spearsesque beauty; i.e., she's a typical young piece of meat which
dirty old men with too much time on their hands fantasize about.]

March 24: Oliver North reports that the staff at the French embassy in
Baghdad are destroying documents. [How could he know this?]

March 24: Fox and Friends. Anchor Juliet Huddy asks Colonel David
hunt why coalition forces don't "blow up" Al Jazeera TV. [The context of
the discussion makes it clear that she doesn't know the difference between
Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV!!!! Juliet Huddy is a beautiful woman but not
very bright.]

March 28: Repeated assertions by Fox News anchors of a red ring
around Baghdad in which Republican Guard forces were planning to
use chemical weapons on coalition forces. A Fox "Breaking News" flash
reports that Iraqi soldiers were seen by coalition forces moving 55-
gallon drums almost certainly containing chemical agents.

April 7: Fox, echoing NPR, reports that U.S. forces near Baghdad have
discovered a weapons cache of 20 medium-range missiles containing
sarin and mustard gas. Initial tests show that the deadly chemicals
are not "trace elements."

[In the coming weeks, this embarrassing non-discovery is quickly
stomped down the Memory Hole. The missiles were never mentioned
again.]

April 9: The crowd around coalition troops toppling the Saddam statue
in Baghdad looks strangely sparse despite the network's assertions to the
contrary. The perspective is always in close and even then there is no
mob storming the statue to hit it with their shoes. Just a handful of
people. It's constantly asserted that there's a huge crowd. [I'm
perplexed. Where's the huge crowd?!]

April 10: Fox "Breaking News" report of weapons-grade plutonium
found at Al Tuwaitha. [In the coming weeks this "discovery" was
expeditiously shoved down the Memory Hole as well.]

April 10 (2:59 EDT): A report noting with surprise "how little" the Iraqis
were celebrating the coalition invasion. [An interesting contradiction of
the allegations of widespread celebration just the day before with the
toppling of the Saddam statue.]

April 10 (3 p.m. EDT: Reporter Rick Leventhal) Fox "Breaking News"
report: A mobile bioweapons lab is found. Video of a tiny tan truck—
about the size of the smallest truck that U-Haul rents – which had its
cargo bed and fuel tank shot up with bullets after a looter tried to drive
it away.

Repeated assertions that this is most definitely a "bioweapons" lab.
A graphic sequence is shown of a large Winnebago-type vehicle that is
massive compared to the tiny truck found. The irony of this escapes
the Fox newscasters and defense "experts."

[This was the first "bioweapons lab" found, not the larger one later
found in Mosul. A week later it is briefly conceded that the tiny truck
was probably never a bio weapons lab, but promises that real ones will
pour forth from the landscape continue. The second phantom lab, a
large tractor-trailer truck was discovered around May 2 by
Kurdish fighters.]

April 10: To show that France is in bed with Saddam Hussein, Fox
begins running old footage of Saddam Hussein's September 1975 trip
to Paris to meet with Jacques Chirac and tour a nuclear power plant.

[Because Fox strives so hard to be "Fair and Balanced," it's all the
more curious how it fails to inform its audience about another trip four
years later, this one to Baghdad on December 19, 1983 made by Reagan
envoy and then former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld The network
again, because it's so very "Fair and Balanced," also inexplicably forgot
to tell its audience about another trip by Rummy to Baghdad, this time
on March 24, 1984, the very same day that a U.N. team found that
Iraqi forces had used mustard gas laced with a nerve agent on
Iranian soldiers.

Rummy obviously wasn't too concerned about the charges of gassing,
as in 1986 when he was considering a run for the Republican presidential
nomination of 1988, he listed his restoration of diplomatic relations with
WMD-using Iraq as one of his proudest achievements.

But all that's an eternity ago for Imperial Conservatives with a 20-second
attention span. The Fox newscasters rename Jacques Chirac "Jacques
Iraq"(yuk, yuk, yuk – what a side splitter!) and keep going.]

April 7: Repeated ominous footage of barrels buried in a below-ground
shed near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi landscape is replete
with these types of shelters, all of them brimming with evidence of
chemical weapons. [These were revealed to be agricultural
chemicals as well.]

April 13: Fox Graphic: "Bush: Syria Harboring Chemical Weapons."

[My favorite Fox war commentator is definitely Colonel David Hunt.
From my canvassing of all the cable network war coverage, it's hard
to find an analyst who is more dogmatic. When coalition forces weren’t
greeted with hugs and kisses like he predicted and instead encountered
stiff resistance from Iraqi forces in Basra and other places, Davey was
all denial. Everything’s going perfect. Rummy is God, hallelujah and
praise Dubya! There's not a problem in Iraq that can't be solved
by blowing some Iraqi's brains out.]

April 15: Fox analyst Mansoor Ijaz claims that the top 55 Iraqi leaders
(along with the whole stash of chemical and biological WMDs they have
taken with them) are now living it up in Latakia, Syria. [This is the same
55 that appeared on the deck of cards and is still being captured – far
from all living it up in Syria.] On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith
completely breaks with any pretense of objectivity and openly mocks
actor Tim Robbins after playing an excerpt of Robbins' speech to the
National Press Club. "Oh, that was so powerful!" Smith mocked.
[Impressive objectivity there, Mr. Smith.]

April 16: Fred Barnes on Special Report with Brit Hume blames the
looting of the Iraqi National Museum on the museum staff. [Right now
there are so many claims and counterclaims about the looting it's hard
to tell what happened. In a Fox segment on May 19 a coalition official
asserted that 170,000 items were definitely not missing. Of course he
refused to give a ballpark estimate of what was missing, which he'd
surely have in order to plausibly deny that the original estimate
was wrong.]

April 18: Bill O'Reilly opens his show calling Iraqis "ungrateful."

April 21: Bill O'Reilly opens his show calling Iraqi Shiites "ungrateful
SOBs" and "fanatics." He concludes that "[we] can't tolerate a
fundamentalist state" in Iraq.

[Whoa, O'Reilly. I thought we promised the Iraqis that we were going
to implement democracy, not democracy that gives the U.S. the election
results it wants. That's not democracy, now, is it? By now it's quite
clear that despite the spinning on The No Spin Zone, Iraq is
descending into chaos.]

April 22: Lt. Colonel Robert Maginnis states on The O'Reilly Factor
that the probability of finding WMDs is a 10 out of 10. [This is the same
Robert Maginnis who predicted a double-ring defense of Baghdad in the
Washington Times on January 7.] O'Reilly states that if no WMDs are
found within a month from today, then that spells big trouble.

O'Reilly promises to explore the issue a month later. [Cool, let's hold
his feet to the fire on that promise. On an earlier show he said that U.S.
credibility would be "shot" if no WMDs were found. ]

May 8: Fox News Military Analyst Major General Paul Vallely states
on The O’Reilly Factor that "Middle East agents" have told him that Iraq’s
WMDs along with 17 mobile weapons labs (1 of which was captured around
May 2) are now buried in the Bakaa Valley in Syria 30 meters underground.
He also claims that France helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by
providing them with travel papers [a charge that even the Pentagon later
denies although it's apparent that's where Vallely got his information].

May 11: On The Fox Report with Rick Folbaum it is conceded that the
nefarious captured trailer contains not a shred of evidence of WMDs, but
Folbaum hints that what’s important is that the trailer could have been
used to make them. [Hmmm. I thought we went to war for actual
WMDs, not for the ability to make WMDs.]

May 16: Special Report with Brit Hume. Muslims, citing Islam's ban
of alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their Christian owners.
Under Saddam's secular regime, Christian names were banned and schools
were nationalized, but guns and alcohol were freely available; there was
tolerance for Iraq's 1 million Catholic and Protestant Christians. In New
and Improved Neocon Iraq, there's a letter circulating in Baghdad
threatening violence to even the families of women who refuse
to wear the traditional Muslim head covering.

[The report is yet another interesting and reluctant concession of
unintended consequences.]

May 19: O'Reilly discusses a number of inflammatory and bogus
charges that were floated in the U.S. media about France (e.g., France
supplied Iraq with precision switches used in nuclear weapons, French
companies sold spare parts to Iraq for military planes and helicopters,
France possessed illegal strains of smallpox, France helped Iraqi
leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel papers).

Recall this last charge was made by Major General Paul Vallely on May
8 on The O'Reilly Factor. Again, the Pentagon denies all such charges
although much of the Beltway thinks it's obvious that the Pentagon is
the source of them. O'Reilly claims that Vallely is only irresponsible
if the charges don't turn out to be true.

O'Reilly refers to documents that prove that the French government
was briefing Saddam right until the war started. [Briefed on what?]

May 20: O'Reilly concedes that the Private Jessica Lynch rescue story
could be a fraud, as asserted by the BBC and Los Angeles Times columnist
Robert Scheer. "Somebody is lying," he states. He says that if the U.S.
military has concocted a fraud, then it will be a terrible scandal but if the
BBC and Scheer are wrong, nothing will happen to them. He says he
is skeptical of the BBC and Scheer.

To prove his point he brings on no other than Colonel David Hunt.
[Geez. Transcript here.] Over and over, Hunt calls the allegations of
staged rescue an "assail on the finest soldiers in the world." He claims
that the ambulance with Lynch in it that drove up to a Marine checkpoint
was never shot at, its drivers demanded $10,000 for information on
Jessica, Saddam Hospital was guarded by uniformed Iraqi soldiers
and Fedayeen, Jessica's life was saved, and coalition forces didn't
trash the hospital.

What were his sources for this information? The special ops members
on the raid, some of whom are his friends and former colleagues. Over
and over Hunt kept saying, "They're the best soldiers in the world,
they're the best in the world. Why would they make this up?"

[What followed next was an exchange that's priceless and one of many
that goes by far too un-analyzed on Fox every day:]

Hunt: In my opinion it's an assault, an effrontery to the finest men and
women in our service, it's an assault on Jessica, it's an assault on these
great guys, these great special operations guys ... at a minimum we
should no longer buy the L.A. Times, no longer buy the Toronto
Free Press, and shut the BBC off.

It's a government to government issue...this is calling into question
the veracity of the finest soldiers in the world and it's uncalled for, it's
absolutely unbelievable."

O'Reilly: If you [Hunt] turn out to be right, nothing will happen to
Scheer...he'll just go along blithely printing his lies and living his life
and getting paid for it.

[To the Colonel: U.S. special ops soldiers may be the best in the world
at what they do, but how does it logically follow from that assessment
that particular actions taken during the raid were not excessive and
unjustified? How is the BBC's story an assault on Jessica?!

What do you mean when you mention a "government to government
issue" given that the U.S. government now controls Iraq?! Is the Pentagon
the most effective check on its own possible misdeeds? How convenient
if you're suggesting that it is. Who is your source that Iraqi doctors were
trying to ransom Jessica? Why hasn't this allegation made its way
into any other news reports?]

[To O'Reilly: If the raid does turn out to be mostly staged, there'll be
no terrible scandal precisely because you, Fox News, and the Pentagon
will assert just the opposite and allow yet another embarrassment to
slide into the Memory Hole.

This is exactly why your demand for accountability from the BBC
and L.A. Times is so hollow and hypocritical. Instead of plumbing the
U.S. military to investigate itself, why don't you interview Iraqi doctor
Harith al-Houssona as the London Times did on April 16 (where the story
was first broken, not by the BBC or Robert Scheer) who actually saved
Lynch's life instead of the U.S. special ops who could have jeopardized
it? The doctor testifies that all Iraqi forces left the day before the raid
and that Jessica was delivered by an ambulance that had to return
to the hospital because it was shot at by Marines.

Why would he lie? You say you automatically trust the Pentagon.
Why, when tales of Lynch's heroics in fighting off 500 Iraqi soldiers
with one hand while severely wounded and tales that she had
amnesia have already been proven bogus?]

May 22 (5:54 a.m. CDT): Richard King, a military doctor, appears
on Fox and Friends with promises by the show's hosts that he will verify
that the Jessica Lynch rescue wasn't staged. King doesn't prove anything.

He states that he arrived at Saddam Hospital the day after the rescue,
concedes damage and mal-treatment of doctors at the hospital, and that
he "was told " that the hospital was guarded by hostile forces but doesn't
specify who told him. [The testimony of the hospital staff contradicts
this last hearsay.]

May 22: O'Reilly fails to live up to his promise to make a big stink if
no WMDs are found by today. In his Talking Points Memo he wonders
why the U.S. has caught such informed Iraqis as Dr. Germ and Ms. Anthrax
and has gotten no leads. He states that more time is needed [contradicting
what he said more than a month ago, when he said that if no WMDs were
found after 2 months U.S. credibility would be "shot" and there would be
big trouble]. He ends his Memo saying Bush must candidly address
the situation soon.

June 2: [Unfortunately for O'Reilly, Bush isn't candidly explaining
anything.] A video clip on Fox and Friends is shown with Bush in Poland
claiming that "[w]e found" weapons of mass destruction. His evidence?
Two trailers found near Mosul that were supposedly used as mobile
bioweapons labs.

[A June 7 article by the Times' Judith Miller reports serious doubts by
some analysts that the two trailers were used as mobile bioweapons labs.
Said one senior analyst about the initial CIA report, it "was a rushed job
and looks political." Yes, they violated U.N. resolutions but this is
another red herring to suggest WMDs.]

June 4: O'Reilly's Talking Points Memo: [Surreal.] O'Reilly says that
the WMD issue has now been politicized [!!]. The war was a just war
because there's now great progress between Palestinians and Israelis
and that alone made the war worthwhile [?!!]. Also the mass graves
and other horrors discovered add to the case for war.

The intelligence was either wrong or more time is needed to find
the WMDs. [Again contradicting what he said on and before
April 22.]

June 11: Fox reports a bus blast in Jerusalem caused by Hamas,
killing 15 and wounding at least 100. [Looks like the real reason for
war according to O'Reilly (Israeli-Palestinian peace) has also
disintegrated, but don't expect O'Reilly to admit it.]

Dr. Dale Steinreich [send him mail] is an adjunct scholar of the
Mises Institute and a contributor to AgainstTheCrowd.com.

Copyright © 2003 LewRockwell.com

posted 06-29-2003 07:20 AM            

It has been my experience, that liberals (for lack of a better word) generally thrive on negativity, even if they have to invent evil things and ignore real evil such as the Clinton administration and Saddam Hussein. Bin Ladin was just an invention, a boogie man, of course. The rest of the world is really a nice place and it was GW who paid some kids to fly the airplanes into the buildings, of course. Let’s just ignore those suicide/homicide bombers…yeah that’s the ticket, terrorism really doesn’t exist. The CIA is blowing themselves up on busses. There is no tie-in with terrorism there….everyone knows the US is the only terrorist in the world. And hey, tax cuts really do put people out of work. What we need are more taxes on those rich bastards. Heck 60% isn’t enough…Let’s tax them 90% so they’ll be poor and know what it’s like. That’ll encourage them to hire people and create jobs…Yeah…that’s the ticket.

And liberals wonder why people with common sense don’t want them in power, why they are recalling the most corrupt governor the US has ever seen in California…Why the 2004 election is going to be a Republican landslide. Liberals never learn from history, of course.

posted 06-29-2003 10:33 AM            

Straight from the "fair and balanced" mouth of FART-Talker.

A man who wouldn't care what the truth was even if it was RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM.

Just as long as he can tow a party line and blame everything on "liberals".

Sorry dude, I for one won't fall for the phony left/right paradigm that is controlled 100% by the NWO.

Only someone who's brain is completely dematerialized an replaced by TV PROPAGANDA would believe that there is still a 2 party system that works.

posted 06-29-2003 11:21 AM            

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Sorry dude, I for one won't fall for the phony left/right paradigm that is controlled 100% by the NWO.

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You already have fallen for the propaganda hook line and sinker. This is a typical view of the leftist by the way. They are the first to whine about "labels". This particular complaint of the left, is a dead giveaway as to where they stand politically. You are the most politically ignorant person I think I've ever seen on a message board, because you dutifully make every brainless argument manufactured by the Democrats and the left in this country. You can’t even distinguish between political points of view. You repeat their propaganda without batting an eye.....yet you don't even seem to realize it. You are a political moron, and unwitting dupe and mouthpiece of the left....

You don't believe so? Then give me a percentage of the arguments on which you agree with Shatoga...90% maybe? Shatoga is an ideal representative of the left, and he knows it and readily admits what he is. At least he’s honest about it. He's a Democrat spewing the radical leftist party line...so if you want to see what the Democrat lie of the day is, just look at what Shatoga is saying and see if you agree. He repeats their talking points and twisted lack of logic and common sense so mindlessly and completely.

posted 06-29-2003 12:48 PM            

uh...no, that's the BU$H administrations forte'.

Nope...sorry FART-Talker, i'm a CONSTITUTIONALIST, not a Neo-Con, not a liberal.

I don't care WHO is in office. Or in Congress...if they pass unconstitutional laws or favor corporations over citizens...they are not worthy of the positions thy were elected (or SE-lected) for.

All of them need to be thrown out..100% and CONSTITUTIONAL LAW restored.

In fact, I'd love to see BU$H, RUMMY, KLINTOON,RICE,CHENEY and most many others who held office at "withering heights" excuse me...capitol hill. They have RUINED this country in the name of a NEW...WORLD...ORDER.

They should stand trial for TREASON.

Period.

...so let's review some "liberal" lies shall we?

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
- Dick Cheney, August 26 2002

"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world."
- Ari Fleischer, December 2 2002

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
- Ari Fleischer, January 9 2003

"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."
- Colin Powell, February 5 2003

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes."
- Ari Fleischer, March 21 2003

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them."
- Gen. Tommy Franks, March 22 2003

"We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad."
- Donald Rumsfeld, March 30 2003

"I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found."
- Ari Fleischer, April 10 2003

"There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country."
- Donald Rumsfeld, April 25 2003

"I am confident that we will find evidence that makes it clear he had weapons of mass destruction."
- Colin Powell, May 4 2003

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."
- George W. Bush, September 12 2002

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
- George W. Bush, State of the Union address, January 28 2003

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."
- George Bush, February 8 2003

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
- George Bush, March 17 2003

"We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them."
- George Bush, April 24 2003

"We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so."
- George Bush, May 3 2003

"I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program."
- George W. Bush, May 6 2003

posted 06-30-2003 03:00 AM            

As for the lies...WHAT lies? I don't see any lies there about the WMDs. The WMD argument was/is another argument being used by the Democrat party (all of whom agreed Saddam had WMDs, by the way) to discredit Bush. They all agreed to the use of force to remove Saddam Hussein. UN resolution 1441 authorized the used of force (explicitly implied) to remove Saddam Hussein. The entire Congress had access to the same intelligence Bush used to make his decision. They based their decision to authorize Bush the use of force on that SAME intelligence Bush used to make his decision to use force. But in delaying the war, Democrats and the UN gave Saddam time to move or hide those nasty ol WMDs. They blew the element of surprise, but Bush was patient to go through this CONSTITUTIONAL process, unlike his predecessor who did not seek congressional approval before launching attacks on various countries including a 78 day bombing spree on Serbia. Now those same people, who saw the same intelligence data Bush saw, who aided and abetted Saddam in buying time to either move his WMDs or hide them, are now saying Bush lied. A lie is when you intentionally deceive. How could Bush lie to a Congress who were seeing the same data they were? If Bush lied, then the entire Congress lied. To lie is not the operative word here. Bush did not lie. He stated what the known intelligence data was stating. He trusted that intelligence apparatus (which was severely degraded under the Clinton administration, by the way). What we should be investigating then is the intelligence agencies, NOT Bush, because the Bush administration was accurately repeating information that intelligence was giving to him AND Congress.

The truth is, that Bush did not lie, because Congress was fully aware of the same intelligence data. The truth is that this accusation of lying is a political strategy being used by the Democrat party to discredit Bush. They KNOW he didn't lie because they had access to the same intelligence data. They based their decision to authorize the president to use force, based on the SAME data upon which Bush was basing his decisions. This means the Democrats are using a sickening and outrageous sleezeball tactic when they know that what they are accusing Bush of is a lie for the soul purpose of attempting to gain back political power...And you, Mech, have swallowed their tactic hook line and sinker. You are just to deluded with yourself to admit it.

The other question is...how do we get back to a strictly constitutional government after 40 years of Democrat rule and giving the public "entitlement" programs at tax payer expense? The answer is...incrementally. We didn't get into the current situation all at once. It was years and years of liberal/socialist incrementalism that brought us away from the government that the constitution intended. It's going to take reverse-incrementalism to get us back. Only an idiot thinks that Bush can just wave a magic wand and make it happen. First he's got to get the conservatives in the position of power needed for real reform to work and be implemented. This is exactly what he is doing now. Bush is in the process of taking power from the Democrat party by taking their issues, such as Medicare reform, off the table. This is how he is insuring that votes will be placed for Republicans while Democrats will be kicked out of power. This is currently occurring. Everything Mech says he wants is happening due to Bush strategy...yet he continues to argue the Democrat lies and propaganda they are using to discredit Bush and remain in power. In essence Mech is arguing the Democrat issues, and if he had his way Democrats would stay in power, and the reform he claims he wants would never occur. Then he says he wants to throw them all out. Well how do we do this? Is Mech arguing for a coup of the masses with pitchforks and shotguns? When you really think about what Mech is saying it really is an argument an immature 4th grader might make. It does not take into account actual reality....No Bush can't just raise a magic want and "throw" people out. We have a constitutional process that Mech, the self proclaimed "constitutionalist" doesn't seem to want to follow. It's called VOTING....

And this is exactly what Bush is working on. He's taking Democrat issues off the table so the vast majority will vote for him.thereby decimating the Democrat party and their chances for power. Then once the Democrat obstructionists are out of the way, REAL constitutional reform can occur. Why then is Mech arguing the same arguments leftists are arguing when they go against his professed cause, which is to preserve and protect the constitution....Mech makes the arguments of the very same people (Democrats} who are currently attempting to destroy the constitution and rewrite it in their own image. This either makes Mech profoundly ignorant and stupid, or very much an unwitting, leftist dupe...

posted 06-30-2003 09:28 AM               

YOU LIKE HE ARE A FRAUD!!

And you've got the unmitigated GALL to call 'us' crazy?

Yeah Right!

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16274

Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq

By Christopher Scheer, AlterNet
June 27, 2003

"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
– George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

There is a small somber box that appears in the New York Times every day. Titled simply "Killed in Iraq," it lists the names and military affiliations of those who most recently died on tour of duty. Wednesday's edition listed just one name: Orenthal J. Smith, age 21, of Allendale, South Carolina.

The young, late O.J. Smith was almost certainly named after the legendary running back, Orenthal J. Simpson, before that dashing American hero was charged for a double-murder. Now his namesake has died in far-off Mesopotamia in a noble mission to, as our president put it on March 19, "disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger."

Today, more than three months after Bush's stirring declaration of war and nearly two months since he declared victory, no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found, nor any documentation of their existence, nor any sign they were deployed in the field.

The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is belatedly drawing attention to the unconscionable level of administrative deception. They seem surprised to find that when it comes to Iraq, the Bush administration isn't prone to the occasional lie of expediency but, in fact, almost never told the truth.

What follows are just the most outrageous and significant of the dozens of outright lies uttered by Bush and his top officials over the past year in what amounts to a systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out of everybody:

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment need for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." – President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." – President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." – Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." – CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." – President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." – President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000 miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." – President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." – Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive stockpile has been found, as previously reported on AlterNet our own intelligence reports show that these stocks – if they existed – were well past their use-by date and therefore useless as weapon fodder.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." – Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west, south or north, somewhat or otherwise.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." – President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But British and American experts – including the State Department's intelligence wing in a report released this week – have since declared this to be untrue. According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they were; facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British themselves.

So, months after the war, we are once again where we started – with plenty of rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for which O.J. Smith died. The Bush administration is now scrambling to place the blame for its lies on faulty intelligence, when in fact the intelligence was fine; it was their abuse of it that was "faulty."

Rather than apologize for leading us to a preemptive war based on impossibly faulty or shamelessly distorted "intelligence" or offering his resignation, our sly madman in the White House is starting to sound more like that other O.J. Like the man who cheerfully played golf while promising to pursue "the real killers," Bush is now vowing to search for "the true extent of Saddam Hussein's weapons programs, no matter how long it takes."

On the terrible day of the 9/11 attacks, five hours after a hijacked plane slammed into the Pentagon, retired Gen. Wesley Clark received a strange call from someone (he didn't name names) representing the White House position: "I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein,'" Clark told Meet the Press anchor Tim Russert. "I said, 'But – I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence.'"

And neither did we.

Christopher Scheer is the managing editor of AlterNet.org. He can be reached at feedback@alternet.org

posted 06-30-2003 10:10 AM            

And No...Bush is not "queer", you nut case. He’s never been gay…never had any gay tendencies. He’s married to a woman he loves. What a bizarre thing to say….

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Bush has continued and EXPANDED every big globalist government incentive Klinton started. He's not recinded ONE EXECUTIVE ORDER nor reversed any gun grabbing legislation. On the contrary, he's EXPANDED THEM ALL!!

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This is true, but I explained the strategy here. It's to take Democrat issues off the table. I’m not saying I agree with this strategy (and I don’t). I’m just pointing out that this is what is happening here. If Democrats were to get elected, we would have 100 times MORE of what Mech says he doesn't want. You think legislating from the bench is bad now? Just imagine if people like you or Mech manage to appeal to your fellow nutcases out there and get John Kerry or Hillary Clinton elected. I mean that’s the effect of getting Bush kicked out, whether you say you want it or not. You get a Democrat. The military would be slashed. The high courts would be stacked with liberals (given the number of open seats waiting to be filled)...and unconstitutional legislation from the bench would be issued almost weekly. The controversial, unconstitutional gay rights legislation just passed, for example, because we have too many liberals on the Supreme court. This is an example of legislating from the bench by non-elected members who are appointed for life. This is what Democrats want. That is how they enforce their rules on the rest of society because their ideas can‘t win by honest vote. This must be what you want as well...this extra-constitutional legislation, because you are attempting to get a Democrat elected by viciously attacking Bush with Democrat rhetoric and lies, and this would be the end result.

Oh, and Crazy Larry, do you mind explaining how you think I'm a fraud? Everything I say here is what I genuinely believe. I'm a conservative Republican. How am I fraudulent? Do you think I'm actually a liberal Democrat? Now, if I was, that would certainly be fraud....

You are just not a rational person, Crazy Larry...I don’t believe YOU are a fraud at all. I believe you to be what you portray yourself to be….a genuine nut case.

posted 06-30-2003 10:25 AM               

Out of his own 'keyboard' this lame LOSER is telling us Bush is continuing to DESTROY THIS COUNTRY to take these issues away from DemonRats????

ROTFLMAO!!!! If it weren't so sad and SERIOUS!

He's continuing and expanding the gun and LAND GRABS.

He's MURDERING YOUR KIDS for zionist and his daddy's BUSINESS interests.

And yeah manure FOR BRAINS he's a FAGGOT through Skull and Bones rituals so he's beholding to their agenda as they've maintained for YEARS. That's why Kerry is no REAL alternative as he ALSO is Skull and Bones.

People, this new PIECE OF HITLER FILTH Bush is about to get this country destroyed just as Hitler did Germany. You'd best prepare your souls and know that morons like Fartknocker here will join those who supporter THEIR furhrer in a very sad HOT place when it's all over.

Because fortunately, God is not going to let IDIOTS like this deceive people nor themselves EVER again!

China readies for future U.S. fight http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/03/24/willy.column/
http://www.rense.com/general38/conflict.htm

Russia Strengthening And Modernizing Its Nuclear Weapons http://www.rense.com/general38/rusia.htm

Can't you just hear the hollow rhetoric coming forth from Fartknocker now. Our kids are being MURDERED in increasing numbers by this globalist FILTH, our defeces weakened, our borders WIDE OPEN and our enemies preparing to strike.

Oh it's just a strategy against the Democrats??

YOU ARE CRAZY! And this craziness will end in mass GENOCIDE for our people. You are as guilty of HIGH TREASON as this filth Bush, Klinton and his daddy.

Where's Bushy boy now? After more money like Klinton was:

Source:
Citizens for a Sound Economy http://www.cse.org/

June 26, 2003

by Cris Kinman
Director of Public Affairs

Born on the Fourth of July
Congress and the Bush Administration are creating the largest expansion of
government in a generation. http://www.cse.org/informed/issues_template.php/1466.htm

In the haunting movie Born on the Fourth of July, Tom Cruise was gripping
as a patriotic young soldier turned crippled and disillusioned after Vietnam.

This Fourth of July, Congress and the Bush Administration are directing a
different movie, one that stars wounded and disillusioned conservatives.
That's because the GOP establishment is working hand-in-hand with Ted
Kennedy to create a new entitlement that massively expands Medicare and the
reach of the federal government. Indeed, disillusionment may not fully
capture the anger as limited government activists watch Congress race to
complete the Prescription Drug and Medicare Improvement Act before the July
recess.

Even without this new entitlement, Medicare will go bankrupt within the
next few decades. So, instead of reform, Congress in its wisdom is adding
prescription drug coverage, which will speed Medicare towards complete
bankruptcy. The $400 billion cost estimate (over ten years) for the drug
benefit is surely not enough, just as Medicare's costs today far exceed
original estimates. (Medicare spending today is more than ten times greater
than planned.) In fact, by the estimates of Congressman Jeff Flake (R-AZ),
the House plan will add $7.8 trillion to Medicare's unfunded liability.
That's more than the entire national debt! This plan contains the kind of
wanton malfeasance that gets corporate executives thrown in prison.

The actual policy debate is as murky as the Mekong River and revolves
around the key question: what is the proper price for the drug benefit? The
distribution of benefits will depend on how much a senior spends on drugs,
and Congress is creating a bizarre zig-zag of coverage, with gaps called
"donut holes" followed by more coverage. Once the discussion turns to
"donut holes," you realize the policy debate is completely upside down. The
liberals are demanding that the new drug benefit extend to upper income
seniors, while the conservatives want to target the group of seniors who
currently lack coverage.

Certainly, it isn't right or even reasonable to tax working families to pay
the drug benefits of wealthy retirees, especially when most of these
seniors already pay for private drug coverage. In fact, about 75 percent of
America's seniors already have private drug insurance. To this extent,
creating the prescription drug benefit is an idea looking to solve a
problem that doesn't exist.

What's more, the current proposals reimburse health care providers based on
the traditional Medicare "price benchmark," which is really just a
government price mandate that already has many doctors dropping Medicare
patients. According to a House conservative leader, Congressman John
Shadegg (R-AZ), the House and Senate bills currently "contain no serious
reforms to control cost, improve Medicare or provide choice." And as bad as
the Republican plans are, the Democrat versions are even worse.

CSE believes Medicare reform should give seniors the ability to choose
between traditional fee-for-service Medicare and many competing private
health care providers. This approach will bring innovation and lower costs,
and will help get the government out of the business of pricing mandates
for specific medical procedures. Along these lines, modeling the Medicare
program on the current health care system used by federal employees would
be a good start. Further, Congress should also tackle other measures that
would reduce the cost of prescription drugs, such as reforming the Food and
Drug Administration and limiting frivolous lawsuits against drug
manufacturers.

Until then, true conservatives should walk out on the Medicare disaster now
playing in Congress and the Administration.

YOU ARE A FRAUD FARTKNOCKER!!

posted 06-30-2003 10:51 AM            

quote:

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He's continuing and expanding the gun and LAND GRABS.

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Uh….noooo he isn’t.

quote:

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He's MURDERING YOUR KIDS for zionist and his daddy's BUSINESS interests.

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Uhh…nooooo….I don’t think so. ….Did I use the term “nut case” when referring to Crazy Larry correctly, or what?

quote:

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And yeah manure FOR BRAINS he's a FAGGOT through Skull and Bones rituals so he's beholding to their agenda as they've maintained for YEARS. That's why Kerry is no REAL alternative as he ALSO is Skull and Bones.

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Uhhh…Now Larry is really sounding rational here. (yeah…right, someone call Happy Acres..and quick!)

posted 06-30-2003 03:26 PM               

Bush HAS expanded Klinton's "Safe Neighborhoods program" funding FEDeral prosecuters for bogus gun crimes and he HAS expanded the BATFaggots budget 3 TIMES you lying sack of NEOCON CRAP! Likewise with land grab programs. You're a dangerous TWERP in denial or deliberately spreading PROPAGANDA. Either way your head is full of decomposed GARBAGE!

This lying retard will keep on piping long after you've been led off the cliff! DON'T FOLLOW SUCH!!

Others that want to verify things FOR THEMSELVES, and please GOD do!:

An Open Letter to George Bush (still unanswered!) http://www.jpfo.org/alert20020208.htm

Second-Amendment Setup: What They Say Isn't What You Get (more government double-speak!) http://www.jpfo.org/2nd-setup.htm

Are The FBI's New Guidelines Police State Policies? http://www.jpfo.org/fbirules.htm

An Open Letter to Our Fathers and Grandfathers: You Won the Battle But Lost the War http://www.jpfo.org/veterans.htm

The Patriot Act II:
Terrorizing The American People http://www.gunowners.org/patriotii.htm
(YOU NEED TO READ THIS ONE!!)

White House Pokes Gun Owners In The Eye http://www.gunowners.org/a050903.htm

Friday, May 9, 2003

Well, you've probably seen the news by now.

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) introduced legislation yesterday to reauthorize the ban on scores of semi-automatic firearms.

As a result, reporters asked White House spokesman Ari Fleischer for the President's position. Fleischer said, "Often, the president will agree... with the National Rifle Association. On this issue, he does not."

The bottom line? The President supports the ban on many semi-automatic firearms and on magazines holding 10 rounds or more.

The White House seems to think that the bill will never reach the President's desk. At least that is what top officials are counting on. In pursuing this strategy, they are trying to please both sides and are playing a very dangerous game, to be sure.

No one should assume for a second that there are a majority of pro-gun legislators in the Congress that will join to kill this bill. It may be that Democrats in Congress will call the President's bluff and attach the Feinstein reauthorization bill as an amendment to some "must pass" bill.

With all the "horse trading" that goes on behind closed doors, don't be surprised if some fence-sitters in the Senate trade their votes in favor of the ban to gain the support of certain Democrats for tax cuts.

Meanwhile, the White House has been inundated with e-mail in opposition to the ban. Senior White House official Carl Rove told a director of Gun Owners of New Hampshire that they have received a "tremendous amount of e-mail" on this issue.

That's a testimony to all of you. Good work, guys!

But there is still much more that needs to be done. The White House is trying to straddle the fence on this issue. It's up to us to yank the President over to our side.

We have included a new pre-written letter for you to e-mail which answers the main objection that the White House is putting forth. But if you have the time, we encourage you to call the White House to deliver your message. Better yet, do both!

It is important that they feel the growing displeasure that is brewing in the grassroots. Making phone calls -- as opposed to just e-mailing -- is one way to do that.

As one legislative official said, "If you do phones, you can ruin the staff's day and they will get nothing done -- because they are spending all their time on the phone. That definitely gets their attention."

Let's get their attention.

ACTION: Please use the pre-written text below to guide your response to the White House. It is preferred that you call. But if you can only e-mail, please be sure to do that.

You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send a pre-written e-mail message to President Bush. To call or snail mail the President regarding the semi-auto ban, you can use the following contact info:

President George Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500
Fax: 202-456-2461 or 202-456-1907
Phone: 202-456-1414

------ Pre-written message ------
Dear President Bush:

I am sorely disappointed to hear that you support reauthorizing the Clinton-Feinstein ban on commonly owned semi-autos and on certain magazines.

Your spokesmen have said that you are being "consistent" because you have always supported the enforcement of existing gun laws.

First, the Second Amendment says the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed." That does not allow for you to play political games with the Bill of Rights!

Second, your support for "existing gun laws" means that you should support the EXISTING SUNSET in the semi-auto ban which forces the semi-auto gun ban to expire in September, 2004.

You are in the White House because gun owners in West Virginia, Tennessee and Arkansas believed they could count on you. We would urge you to keep faith with them and with us.

Sincerely,

=================================

Now you'll undoubtedly see some lame brain-dead response from a NEOCON protecting their globalist master. Oh how I long for these morons to be tossed into HELL so we may enjoy a life without such DECEPTIONS EVER AGAIN!

posted 06-30-2003 08:31 PM            

That it upsets Nazis when I claim to be a Liberal is a source of endless delight to me!

Last politician I campaigned for and contributed money to was Pat Buchannon!

He and I agree about King George!

Mech and I disagree often but:
That we both love and respect the US Constitution gives us common ground to
call a truce on many issues and agree to disagree with an end goal to:
aggravate you Nazis!

When you kicked Barry Goldwater out of the Party, you lost all semblance of conservatism!

Nazism is evil!

Idiot child and the other dittoheads:
burn in hell for the damage you do to the Free Republic that your side has replaced with a RW dictatorship.

Yes...
Mech,
I agree that corrupt Democrats participated and enabled the evil of the Bush dictatorship.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an Arab saying.

Not trying to be frends Mech....

Let us declare a truce and fight together all enemies of our sacred US Constitution!