posted 06-27-2003 08:35 AM               

Let's see:

Hitler had detention and death camps.
Bush has FEMA detention and Guantanamo death camps.

Hitler attacked multiple countries at will.
Bush has and WILL do likewise.

Hitler worked WITH ZIONISTS to murder REAL jews.
Bush's admin is INFESTED with zionists setting up the same.

Hitler required 'WORK PERMITS' to be employed.
Bush's 'Homeland Security' (PLANNED in Klinton's term) is setting up BUSINESS CERTIFICATES which will be REQUIRED for you to have a valid bank account beginning July 1.

Hitler used 'terrorism' to go after his politial enemies starting with the Reichstag.
Bush doing the SAME and his Reichstag / WTC.

Hitler was a worshipper of the OCCULT.
Bush likewise as member of Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove.

Hitler's FIAT paper currency FAILED requiring a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.
Bush's 'dollar' is ABOUT TO as the CIA and other counterfeiters have made it WORTHLESS. They're now preparing a new PHONY FIAT currency as HYPERINFLATION HITS HERE AND SOON!!

A Warning >From

“the

Mortal Storm”

God has asked me to write this warning to those who will hear. I will therefore, not be disobedient.

I had really given up writing for a while because, at times it seems no one is listening. Oh, yes I do get quite a few hits on my site everyday but is anyone really listening?

Apparently so, otherwise God would not have me out here writing today.

I really like old movies you know, the real classics, Ben Hur, the Ten Commandments, Spartacus and the likes. I also like the old war movies from the ‘40’s and ‘50’s. I watched an old movie last night called ‘The Mortal Storm’. It is one powerful piece of filmmaking and one of my favorites. It centers on a German family that lived during the rise and first few years of the reign of Hitler. The movie was made long before America had entered the war and centered on how a tyranny divides a household and how it eventually led to murder within the household. The whole time I was watching this film I was thinking about what is happening in America today and how we as Americans have lost most of our freedoms already and how what I saw in that movie, could easily happen in America.

Whenever I think of what is happening to America today, I think of Nazi Germany. I think of Adolph Hitler and I think about his global war for hegemony and I think of America’s war for the same. I consider the underlying philosophy and the desire to bring what the antagonist believes is a superior culture to the conquered and I cannot help but see parallels. Not identical mind you, but parallels to be sure. I think of how Hitler attempted to spread his twisted vision of the future to the world and how our current President is doing the same. I would never say that we as Americans and our culture are as bad as Hitler’s Germany yet, but it is fast becoming so. Our society is not so much based on racial superiority but on economic exploitation that is antithetical to the values enshrined in our constitution. Both Hitler and Bush succeeded in rearranging the nation’s priorities for conquest[1]. Bush and the neo-conservatives that run his administration are not what they advertise themselves to be. They essentially are corporate titans, rich men who are using the vast powers of the American government and their agents in the corporate controlled media to garner support for and extremely profitable war. Profitable that is, for themselves.

So I watched ‘The Mortal Storm’ last night, keeping what was happening to America in the back of my mind. America is using concentration camps to stop what it suspects are terrorists. These can be called ‘preventative detentions’. If the government has profiled a person or group of individuals as terrorist, they are investigated (secretly) and if the justice department feels that it is warranted a person is picked up and sent to a concentration camp. No real crime need to have been committed. Any American today could be deemed a terrorist under the Patriot Act. If you gave any money to any cause that may have in turn given money to another group that the justice department thinks is terrorist, you could (under the terms of the present law) be picked up interrogated, and interned at a secret facility. If you gave money to a charity that helped feed children in a nation that has a famine and just one dollar of that money ended up in the hands (deliberately or inadvertently in the hands of a terrorist) you (not your neighbor or your friend but Y-O-U) could be sent to a concentration camp. You will not have the right to a lawyer, and even if you did, very few would take your case because of cowardice and fear. The media could be prevented from even mentioning that you were picked up. The only time that we hear the names of people picked up today is when the Justice department is trying to make new law (set a precedent) or is using the dissemination of the information for counterintelligence purposes.

In Nazi Germany no one spoke of concentration camps above a whisper. In America, no one speaks of them at all because most Americans believe that they are only for Muslim terrorists. The laws on the books are neither race nor religion specific. Many believe that these laws cannot possible mean the death camps of Nazi Germany.

The Defense Department is lobbying at this moment to have death chambers installed in these camps. This, after a military tribunal (where the defendant has no right to any constitutional protections such as the right to counsel, to confront ones accused, etc.) he can be executed, once again, in secret.

Now any of you who are still defenders of this kind of antichrist system should be very, very careful, because this is not much different than the death camps of Germany. Granted towards the end of the war, Hitler’s camps were primarily concerned with race, but they were also very concerned with political ideology and obedience to the government, that being personified in their fürher, Adolph Hitler. Most people do not understand and I ask every one of you to understand that the Nazi’s first concentration camps were not for Jews. They were for communists, gypsies and other political undesirables. Indeed the first concentration camp was opened in March of 1933. Himmler, who was a police commissioner in Berlin (before he headed the dreaded SS and was a relatively minor bureaucrat), came up with the idea. You see, there were so many political undesirables that the Nazi’s, who had just come to power, did not know what to do with them. The very first camp was built at an old power factory, just outside of Berlin. It was called Dachau. The Nazi’s mostly arrested Communists and Social Democrats to be interned in these facilities. It was only later that they were used as a tool for implementing their perverted notion of racial purity. Concentration camps grew in popularity with the government because that people either did not care or supported them! Does this not describe America today? Do not most Americans support the use of concentration camps in order to stop ‘terrorism’? Concentration camps will no more stop terrorism that ‘bleeding’ stopped the black death of the Middle-Ages. It is the type of solution implemented by an ignoramus, or someone who loves death. Concentration camps, like ‘bleeding’, will only make the host too weak to ward of further attacks. We have weakened the very things that have made America strong; her freedom, her deep love for justice and historical sense of fair play on the international scene and most importantly her Christian heritage.

The problem that those who know their God and had walked with Christ for a while can see with these laws is how easily they can be used to round up Christians and put them in these camps. If we were to have one major terrorist attack in America and it was blamed on Christians, all of the forces of hell would be unleashed against Christians in America, as they would be labeled terrorists. This is almost what happened after Oklahoma City. Some of the most hateful and satanic rhetoric spewed forth not just from the mainstream media against Christians, calling them ‘purveyors of hatred’, but also came from the US government in the form of its President who used the same type of words to lambaste conservatives and especially religious ones.

The stage is set and Christians will need to wake up and prepare their souls, lest they deny their Christ in the fires of the coming persecution. The US Government already targeted Christians in their Project Megiddo report. This is an official Government Document!! This should have caused a huge uproar in American Christianity, but didn't. The false shepherds of Babylon are leading America's Christians to a great slaughter. Such a document could never have been made if the apostasy were not so great in America.

By,

Mark S. Watson

[1] I realize the noblest motives are ascribed to Bush in the prevailing propaganda model. Nevertheless, it is only a propaganda model and thus unworthy of further intelligent discussion. Either one has the wits about them to see this or one has been hopelessly deceived by the princes of our age.

Mark Watson

posted 06-27-2003 09:40 AM               

Here are some great pics from the NYC Anti-Bush Rally.
This demonstration really gives me a lot of hope.
We need rallies like this every week until the bastard is gone!
http://homepage.mac.com/stopbush/PhotoAlbum9.html

Some of the other great signs in this set:

"Our President Teaches Our Children to Lie!"
"Tell us the truth George. Bush 9/11/01 Knew What Really Happened.
"The Constitution is NOT optional"
"I Want My Country Back!"
"Impeach the Idiot Usurping Lying Weasel!"
"We See Through the Lies"
"What Did Bush Know, and When Did He Forget It?"
"Worst President Ever"
"Liar in Thief"
"Ask Your Mother what Democracy Used to Be"
"Bechtel, Carlyle Group, Halliburton: United We Stand to Make a Killing"
"Bush Lied: Where are the WMDs?"
"Operation Enduring FEARdom"
"Bush & Co.: To Hague with You!"
"Hating George Bush is Patriotic"
"Nequityville: 1% of Americans Own 38% of Everything"
"Jail to the Chief & His Oligarchy"
"Our President is a Liar"
"Prez Bush is a Liar (and a murderer too)"

posted 07-01-2003 11:49 AM               

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Centre for Reasarch on Globalization
"God... instructed me to strike at Saddam"
Sun Jun 29 18:40:22 2003
216.209.150.53

>From the article titled: Errand Boy, found here:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO306A.html

Is a quote from George "Whopper" Bush. He was speaking to Ariel Sharon and Mahmoud Abbas at the last peace summit:

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

At first I thought this was a joke but I wouldn't put anything past the mental midget, coke head from Crawford. Every sick cultist and tyrant in the history of the world from the Roman Caesars to Adolph Hitler to Jim Jones believed they had some special line to "god" and a divine provenance of sorts that nobody else had. Delusional meglomania seem to come with the terretory.

I'm not saying that God does not speak to his people directly from time to time. I'm saying he doesn't speak to apostate, eccumenicalist liars, criminals and thieves like Bush, except to tell them "repent, repent, repent."

Neither am I suggesting that George II didn't(or doesn't) hear voices. He very likely does, but they are not of God, more likely the devil. I wonder if it was "god" who told him about the WMD's, the warm Iraqi welcoming committee, and that the Iraqi's would govern themselves in 2 months. God doesn't lie; that's the devil's racket and Skull and Bones Bush is his highest ranking disciple.

++++++++++

"God ... instructed me to strike at Saddam."
Errand Boy
by Chris Floyd
Moscow Times, 26 June 2003. www.globalresearch.ca 29 June 2003
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO306A.html

So now we know. After all the mountains of commentary and speculation, all the earnest debates over motives and goals, all the detailed analyses of global strategy and political ideology, it all comes to down to this: George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam."

This gospel was revealed, appropriately enough, in the Holy Land this week, through an unusual partnership between the fractious children of Abraham. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz was given transcripts of a negotiating session between Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from Hamas and other militant groups. Abbas, who was trying to persuade the groups to call a cease-fire in their uprising against Israeli forces, described for them his recent summit with Ariel Sharon and Bush.

During the tense talks at the summit, Bush sought to underscore the kind of authority he could bring to efforts at achieving peace in the Middle East. While thundering that there could be "no deals with terror groups," Bush sought to assure the rattled Palestinians that he also had the ability to wring concessions from Sharon. And what was the source of this wonder-working power? It was not, as you might think, the ungodly size of the U.S. military or the gargantuan amount of money and arms the United States pours into Israel year after year.

No, Bush said he derived his moral heft from the Almighty Himself. What's more, the Lord had proven his devotion to the Crawford Crusader by crowning his military efforts with success. In fact, he told Abbas, God was holding the door open for Middle East peace right now -- but they would have to move fast, because soon the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe would have to give His attention to something far more important: the election of His little sunbeam, Georgie, in 2004.

Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Haaretz:

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

You can't put it plainer than that. The whole chaotic rigmarole of Security Council votes and UN inspections and congressional approval and Colin Powell's whizbang Powerpoint displays of "proof" and Bush's own tearful prayers for "peace" -- it was all a sham, a meaningless exercise.

No votes, no inspections, no proof or lack of proof -- in fact, no earthly reason whatsoever -- could have stopped Bush's aggressive war on Iraq. It was God's unalterable will: the Lord of Hosts gave a direct order for George W. Bush to "strike at Saddam."

And strike he did, with an awesome fury that rained death and destruction on the mustachioed whore of Babylon, with a firestorm of Godly wrath that consumed the enemy armies like so much chaff put to the flame -- and with an arsenal of cruise missiles, cluster bombs, dive bombers and assault helicopters that killed up to 10,000 innocent civilians: blasted to pieces in their beds, shot down in their fields and streets, crushed beneath the walls of their own houses, boiled alive in factories, ditches and cars, gutted, mutilated, beheaded, murdered, women, children, elders, some praying, some wailing, some cursing, some mute with fear as metal death ripped their lives away and left rotting hulks behind. This was the work of the Lord and His faithful servant, whom He hath raised high up to have dominion over men.

And this is the mindset -- or rather, the primitive fever-dream -- that is now directing the actions of the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He honestly and sincerely believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain -- out of the flux and flow of his own emotional impulses and biochemical reactions, the flattery and cajolements of his sinister advisers, the random scraps of fact, myth and fabrication that dribble into his proudly undeveloped and incurious consciousness -- has been planted there, whole and perfected, by God Almighty.

And that's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.

And just as God countenanced deception on the part of Abraham, just as God forgave David for the murders he ordered, just as God blessed the armies of Saul as they obliterated the Amalekites, man, woman and child, so will He overlook any crime committed by Bush and his minions as they carry out His will. That's why Bush can always "do whatever it takes" to achieve his goals. And by his own words to Abbas, we see that he places his election in 2004 above all other concerns, even the endless bloodshed in the Middle East.

So what new crimes will the Lord have to countenance to keep His appointed servant in power?

Burning Bush? Our President Claims That He Is Gods Messenger: Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did"

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posted 07-01-2003 12:05 PM               

42,000 Google indices for Impeaching Bush
Bush/CIA Mind Control Victim

When the Bush's Piss on the Masses, the Masses may Piss Back

June 24, 2003, I just thought that I would mention that going to Google and typing in "Impeach Bush," brought up moe then 42,000 hits. Results 1 - 10 of about 42,800.

I went and read some of the News sites and Web sites, that are listed on the http://www.google.com search engine Web site and there is a large and serious movement in this country to address what is one of the greatest sources and only elements who are directly responsible for the instigation and creators/sponsors of global terror and who are the sole and primary omens of the end of our civilization, and who are literally sitting as the selected dictator of the United States and who is "occupying," the White House at this moment.

People are beginning to wake up, at least some of them.

The http://www.apfn.org message board is churning out posts about incredible supportive evidence of this nations First Crime Family being made to be rightfully and lawfully accountable for their directly committing and engaging in Mass Treason, Mass Murder, Mass Crimes, Mass Fraud, Mass Drug Dealing, Mass Money Laundering, Mass Deception, and Mass Violations beyond what can even be apprised within a cache of endless archived evidence that could fill up several entire Library of Congresses.

Not to forget why the Bush Family was behind the Mass Murder they pulled off in Oklahoma City, with their destroying the Murrah Federal Building that they had just previously filled up with incriminating evidence of their global criminal, money launderng, drug, oil, mind control, experimental diseases, and mass murder activities and thus they effectively used a CIA Mind Control Robot named McVeigh to be useful as their disinformation tool.

The Global Elitist's and their Bush Crime Consortium are clearly gearing up to bring on global wars, global chaos, global theft, global mind control, global experimental diseases, global drug trade, money laundering, oil and energy rippoffs, global dictatorships via their CIA/Mafia (same Banking Elitist appointees who murdered John and Bobby Kennedy, Federal Judge Woods, to name only a few), and thus, to pull off their now ever obvious mass global population coup detat with their marshalling the citizens and the masses into quarantined detention whereas they will then proceed to mass exterminate the populations that are not configured into these global Elite's plan for their future and present "World Dominion of Enterprising Evil."

The move to "Impeach Bush," is likely way to late to happen, as that the Elites obviously had highly calculated plans on how to marshall their plan for Global Conquest and Global Mass Extermination, and it may be most likely very too late to Impeach this Heinous Criminal and to Jail him and his entire Crime Family and their elitist Intelligence and Banking complicitors for their Mass Crimes Against all Humanity, against all Countries, against all Lands and against all law abiding peoples upon the Face of the Earth.

The Global Masses, let alone the Law Abiding Citizens of the United States are far too uninformed to wake up to the reality of what these Globalist Elites and their "Bush Crime Consortium," have planned for them.
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posted 07-03-2003 07:22 PM            

He is now where dubya belongs.

Son of a Bush also hears voices in his head telling him to smite people.

thanks for the topic.

Here is a response I copied down from watching TV preachers discuss of outsiders causing doubt on Trinity broadcasting Systems.

TBS 'preacher:

"Fix what your eyes see on Jesus...
Not what the eyes see on:
'What I see on the outside that was potentially trying to trouble me..."

In plain talk.

Listen to and read only voices from within your own cult!

Dubya has a cult:

That believes his
coke addled alcohol rotted brain
is receiving the voice of God.

And thousands die as a result of the voices in his head.

and the throngs who worship him cheer lustily as each man woman or child is murdered!

How many Roman emperors were just as insane as the Emperor of the USA.

Rome also was once a Republic;
before meglomaniacs became dictatorial "emperor/gods'

History is repeating!!

posted 07-03-2003 11:15 PM            

quote:

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Difference is Dubya hasn't fed anyone to the lions.

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Oh right!! How about our troops that are getting butchered and the thousands of Iraqi citizens that were needlessly slaughtered, I suppose none of THEM count?

Then the POS know as bush say's to more slaughter of our troops, "bring it on".

posted 07-04-2003 08:24 AM            

Attacks Leave U.S. Soldier Dead, 18 Hurt
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Iraq.html?ex=1058587200&en=4fab04ce8d65de19&ei=5004&partner=UNTD
Filed at 8:24 a.m. ET

BALAD, Iraq (AP) -- U.S. troops killed 11 Iraqis who ambushed a convoy on a highway north of Baghdad Friday, hours after mortar rounds slammed into a U.S. base in the same area, injuring 18 American soldiers, the military said.

Another U.S. soldier was shot and killed while guarding the Baghdad museum, the U.S. military said Friday.

The U.S. military said 11 men attacked the convoy with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire near Balad, 55 miles north of the capital. Soldiers of the Army's 4th Infantry Division fired back, killing all the men. None of the Americans was injured.

Late Thursday, blasts from four mortar rounds rocked a huge U.S. base near Balad, injuring 18 soldiers, said Maj. Edward Bryja, of the Army's 3rd Corps Support Command.

Two soldiers were seriously injured, with one undergoing surgery in a hospital located on the base and another evacuated for treatment, Bryja said. Others suffered cuts and small punctures from flying shrapnel, and nine soldiers quickly went back to duty, Army officials said.

Soldiers said flares and tracer bullets sliced across the night sky after the blasts.

``This is the first time the base was attacked -- and the first time we've seen mortars,'' said Sgt. Grant Calease, who said he and other soldiers would nonetheless carry on with a July 4th steak barbecue.

The wounded soldiers belonged to Task Force Iron Horse, a 33,000-member unit that has been staging raids in the mainly Sunni Muslim areas. The task force includes soldiers from the Army's 3rd and 4th infantry divisions, as well as the 101st Airborne Division and 173rd Airborne Brigade.

On Friday, attackers detonated an explosive on a highway in Baghdad's western outskirts, injuring three passengers in a civilian car and two U.S. soldiers traveling in a Humvee convoy, according to an Associated Press photographer on the scene.

On Thursday evening, a sniper shot and killed a U.S. soldier manning the gunner's hatch of a Bradley fighting vehicle outside the national museum. The soldier was taken to a military hospital, but died of his wounds, Pruden said. His name was not immediately available.

Hours before the attack, the national museum displayed several artifacts that were looted after the fall of Baghdad and later recovered. The museum also showed several items from the Treasures of Nimrud, which were found hidden in a bank vault weeks ago. Curators acknowledged that many of the museum's treasures remain unaccounted for.

U.S. soldiers have been beset by daily attacks from an increasingly bold insurgency, raising fear of a political and military quagmire just two months after President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1.

At least 27 U.S. troops have been killed in hostile fire since Bush's statement.

Despite the attacks, many of the U.S. troops planned July 4th barbecues at bases around the country.

``We should be celebrating with our families. It is sad. Everybody wants to go home. I am glad that we came here to liberate Iraq, but I think it is time for soldiers to see their families,'' said Sgt. Thas Eagans from Irving, Texas.

A few were invited to join Arnold Schwarzenegger for a screening at Baghdad International Airport of the muscle-bound actor's latest movie, ``Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.''

Schwarzenegger addressed a rambunctious crowd of soldiers in one of Saddam Hussein's former presidential palaces located inside the airport compound.

``It is really wild driving around here, I mean the poverty, and you see there is no money, it is disastrous financially and there is the leadership vacuum, pretty much like in California right now,'' he said.

Schwarzenegger, 55, has indicated he may run for governor of Californian as a Republican if residents there vote to recall the Gov. Gray Davis.

``I play terminator, but you guys are the true terminators,'' he told the soldiers, before heading to the base at Balad that came under attack.

In the north, American forces planned joint celebrations with Kurdish officials. The Kurds celebrate July 4 as the anniversary of their first government's election in 1992.

U.S. officials have said the insurgency is being fueled by doubts about Saddam's fate and crushing it is crucial.

The American sweep, dubbed Sidewinder, has netted at least 20 ``high-value'' targets, but none of the most wanted Iraqi fugitives. Arms and ammunition, including hundreds of rocket propelled grenades, or RPGs, have also been seized.

On Thursday, U.S. troops near Baqouba, northeast of the capital, tried to lure attackers into an ambush on a stretch of road known as ``RPG Alley'' because of the frequent attacks on U.S. forces there. One suspect was killed and three captured in the operation, said Lt. Kurt Chapman, with the Army's 4th Infantry Division.

Also Thursday, Washington put a $25 million bounty on Saddam Hussein's head and offered $15 million for information leading to the capture of either of his sons, Udai and Qusai.

The reward for Saddam matches the $25 million that Washington is offering its other top fugitive: Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader missing since U.S. forces helped dislodge the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

posted 07-04-2003 01:47 PM            

Now someone like Shitoga might say that I defend Bush, but nobody actually asked me what I thought of the man. I actually think Bush is a liberal on domestic policies, very left of center. He's given the Democrats everything they want, in order to take issues from them, but I think this was a dismal mistake. As we can see by the individual hate mongers posting on this board, lefties do not think rationally or have thoughts that are based on fact. Bush's strategy assumes that left leaning voting base will vote for him because he incorporated Democratic issues such as a huge government 400 billion dollar boondoggle in the form of new Medicare spending, into his own policies.

I don't think anything could be further from the truth…..Leftists will not vote for him, just because he steals a few Democrat issues. Leftists like those on this board are so filled with hate, so mired in their own BS that they won't think about issues...they won't vote based on issues. Lefties are completely lacking in rational mental faculties, or common sense, as they so expertly demonstrate here. This kind of diseased thinking is what Bush is up against, and it is foolish to think he could win sickos the posters here over. They are under the influence of darkness and deception... They will vote based on hatred and fantasy rather than reality. So Bush's strategy is probably a mistake. This tactic of implementing liberal issues might very well back fire on him because it betrays conservative principals...and because liberals who hate Bush, who hate America...who exist to hate, under the unbreakable influence of deception and lost in their own lies, will not vote for him anyway.

But, politcs and political bias aside, judging Bush as a human being, I think it is extremely obvious that he is not what these sick idiots here claim he is. Common sense observation will tell a rational person that he is a basically good decent, and extremely intelligent, competent, and tactful human being. That's why his strategy will probably fail. He is playing to the left on the assumption that they can rationally figure out that he might be good for them...He is making the mistake of assuming the left is rational because he, himself is a rational human being. As we can see by the representatives of the left here on this board, assuming rationality is a big mistake. Abandoning conservative principals to play to this crowd is an exercise in futility, and an alienation of those who support him. It's a bad move.

Now remember, Bush has done a dozen things that offend my political bias. I do not see him as a true conservative...but I have to see reality, and that reality is that he is a very good man regardless as to whether he was a Democrat or Republican or liberal in conservative clothing.

Judging Clinton objectively, I could not say the same thing. Common sense observation on a human level, politics and political bias aside, I'd have to say that the differences could not be more stark. Everything said by the sick idiots here could reasonably be said about Clinton, but on a level of simple objective observation, they are non-sense when applied to Bush.

posted 07-04-2003 02:15 PM            

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Not one of them has demonstrated any capability for rational, intelligent, two-way conversation.

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Do you mean intelligent conversation like this one from professor?.

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Hey gayvid, STFU your just a square peg trying to fit into the round hole of life.

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Crazy Larry, Shitoga, Moron Mech, and Gayvid,

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posted 07-04-2003 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by the professor:
Difference is Dubya hasn't fed anyone to the lions. Try and enjoy this 4th of july Shat.

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Not literally he hasn't.

As always Professor,
We disagree with respect that the other has an honest opinion which each of us believes is based on the truth.

Happy 4th of July.
Birthday of our sacred Constitution.

posted 07-04-2003 05:32 PM            

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And just what part of MY post is a lie? You deny the fact that U.S. troops are being killed on an almost daily basis or that thousands of Iraqi civilians have been and are being killed.

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So you are attempting to engage in rational conversation David? As for the name twisting, well we are all doing it these days, including yourself, but for the sake of conversation, I have no problem calling you David.

Ok...let's stick to this subject for a minute, as you wish. Why do you think it's rational to bring up the fact that American soldiers and innocent civilians die in war? You don’t think we did more than any nation on earth to avoid civilian casualties? You don’t think that Saddam had a lot to do with placing MOST of those civilian casualties in harm’s way? Can you be honest about your actual point for two seconds? What was your point? If we look at the larger point you are trying to make, I think that we will find the lie therein. You are trying to say this war was not justified? If so, then you are trying to promote a lie...But I'll let you speak. You claim to say you can have a rational conversation, well OK then, let's have one. You can start by telling me what your bigger point was.

Oh and, you can start avoiding hypocrisy by calling me by my actual handle if you want me to use your correct one. That's Fastwalker. I don't particularly like it..(Fastmover was what I was going for) but it's the one I chose, never the less.

posted 07-04-2003 06:48 PM            

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Can you be honest about your actual point for two seconds? What was your point? If we look at the larger point you are trying to make, I think that we will find the lie therein. You are trying to say this war was not justified? If so, then you are trying to promote a lie...

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Again with the insinuation that I am a liar. This is not rational conversation. I have not lied on this board about anything. If this is the best you can do, a conversation, or rather an attempt at one with you, is pointless as I knew it would be.

posted 07-04-2003 06:56 PM            

if your lips are moving, or your typing...your lying...

posted 07-04-2003 07:16 PM            

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Again with the insinuation that I am a liar. This is not rational conversation.

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Sure it is. If you are a liar, then it is rational to say so...and honest.

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I have not lied on this board about anything.

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Let's examine this further to see if it's true. All I asked is for you to explicitly say what your point was. If your point was that the war in Iraq was unjustified, then let's just admit that this is your point, and move on to expose the lie for what it is. I'm saying that if this is your argument, then it is certainly a lie, given that the war was plainly justified on multiple levels.

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If this is the best you can do, a conversation, or rather an attempt at one with you, is pointless as I knew it would be.

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The best I can do?? That doesn't even make sense. I only asked what your point is so that we can examine whether your point is honest or not. All I asked is that you explicitly state the argument you are trying to make, not cower behind veiled implications. If you are an honest person, as you seem to be saying, then you should not have any problem confronting a truthful, realistic discussion as to whether the war was justified or not....(if, indeed, we can first establish that you are arguing that it was not justified). If that is the argument you are making, then I attempt to expose it for the lie that it is.

Instead, you now seem to be running away from an honest discussion....Hardly the reaction of an honest person. You do not do your argument (whatever that may be) any justice by running away from it in the cowardly, way you are displaying here. (Typical of a liberal weenie). Face it like a man. If you mean to say something...then say it....say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't hide behind these vacuous little implied statements...like....."innocent civilians needlessly died in Iraq"...Well, no shit....people die in war. This does not mean that the war was unjustified. The real question is; What do you mean to say? But when confronted with this question, you run and hide like a liberal weenie, and in doing so, strengthen my case, point and argument. Everything you believe or say is based on a lie, and you don't even appear to have the strength of character to face or even admit your own arguments....

Pathetic....

posted 07-04-2003 08:22 PM            

shoot that's the whole problem...with these people...they think their internal justification mechanism applies universally...

oh yeah "monkey boy" a lie perpetuated by YOU david...

so ya see you are a liar...and do it so often...you can't remember what's the truth and what's your creation...

get some help david and wipe those chilli stains off your chin and shirt...they been there for days...

pig

posted 07-05-2003 06:10 PM            

david lies...again...and a again...and a again...

amazing