posted 07-01-2003 03:15 AM            

Ever heard of the concept of supply and demand? When demand increases on a limited supply, we increase value and price and it's a direct relationship. Consumption of products (demand) allows producers to increase price over their costs...in other words, the producer's profit margin increases as the price he is able to charge rises over the fixed and variable costs of production.

This means a producer of a given product has capital to produce MORE of a product and expand his business, which means he hires more people and machinery, and goods needed to run that business. The producer is also the consumer of goods, and due to his increased profit margin, his business is able to consume more goods and services required to maintain his business. It's a whole domino effect, that benefits everyone. More consumption then, actually creates more jobs and expansion of business....

Well, when do people consume more? Answer; when they have more money in their pockets....when they can afford it. This is what tax cuts give them. By letting them keep more of what they earn, they are able to consume more goods and services, and the whole cycle continues. Prosperity and consumption breeds prosperity and greater production. That’s the fundamental nature of capitalism….everyone benefits.

posted 07-01-2003 03:20 AM            

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift and you cannot establish sound security on borrowed money

as long as you intend to pay it back borrowed money is damn good...

thrift is not a matress or passbook savings account...dolt...thrift is putting your money to work for you...money is finite if you don't...good investment in the future is putting funds into the market for
retirement the return is really the bottom line...security is financial freedom...moll...

could I interest you in a prospectus ?

(not really)

posted 07-01-2003 03:38 AM            

amazing

posted 07-01-2003 08:03 AM               

The preceeding post was written by a loyal brain-dead subject of the 'king.'
You'll notice there was nothing contributed to any 'meaningful debate.'

This person is equivalent to those poor slobs who mouthed "LONG LIVE THE KING!"
Or
"HAIL CEASAR!"
Or
"HEIL THE FUHRER!"

This person as those in the past, shall also fade into history.

posted 07-01-2003 08:56 AM            

I don't know about you, but I ain't spendin' $#!+.

400 dollars from Uncle Scam may buy a lot of groceries, but in the long run won't help...it's a drop in the bucket.

If you were really wise you'd start saving your @$$es off before the big crash happens.

"As the world's biggest oil importer, the U.S. will have to run a trade surplus to acquire euro-backed oil.

With the oil production peaks passed, and the era of cheap oil ending sometime this decade, European oil addicts are slashing their energy consumption and turning to wind power and hydrogen. America's ability to compete or cooperate with sustainable energy sources is being squandered. The US's permanent war economy is turning the American dream into a nightmare of ruined cities and national insolvency."

This country is ALREADY so far into debt I can only imagine what will the consequenses of a Euro based "Oil Shock".

Start "socking it away".

posted 07-01-2003 10:37 PM            

I think a hydrogen economy is a great idea. So does president Bush, btw, given that he has allotted a considerable amount in the current budget for hydrogen / alternative energy research. But the economy will take it up when it is cheaper to produce than oil. Oil refineries themselves are apparently well suited for conversion to hydrogen production.

The current thinking of using natural gas to produce hydrogen is all wrong, however. My preference is offshore wind turbines (taking advantage of the constant sea breeze) which would convert sea water to hydrogen through electrolysis right on the spot. From the very same turbine, hydrogen could be pumped to holding tanks on the shore. It would be a very constant, never ending source of hydrogen with an unlimited supply of sea water and wind for it's production.

The area where I think an individual entrepreneur could come in would be to begin designing a feasible car prototype, and conversion kit to modify existing cars. We already have the sea based wind turbine technology, so we know that’s feasible. Like you said, it’s being done in Europe.

posted 07-02-2003 11:31 AM               

The preceeding post was written by a loyal brain-dead subject of the 'king.'
You'll notice there was nothing contributed to any 'meaningful debate.'

This person is equivalent to those poor slobs who mouthed "LONG LIVE THE KING!"
Or
"HAIL CEASAR!"
Or
"HEIL THE FUHRER!"

This person as those in the past, shall also fade into history.

posted 07-02-2003 12:52 PM            

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DISCLAIMER
The preceeding post was written by a loyal brain-dead subject of the 'king.'
You'll notice there was nothing contributed to any 'meaningful debate.'

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You've had no meaningful contributions on this board at all....so I guess you are the expert on the subject….you are certainly an expert on what’s it’s like to be brain dead. And notice the subject of this thread is the economy. You have been talking about WMDs and everything else. I knew you were a crazy idiot, but I'm now convinced you are a COMPLETE crazy idiot.

quote:

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This person is equivalent to those poor slobs who mouthed "LONG LIVE THE KING!"
Or
"HAIL CEASAR!"
Or
"HEIL THE FUHRER!"

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I guess a truthful discussion on how capitalism works, and how the stock market is entering a new bullish trend is the equivalent in Crazy Larry's poor excuse of a brain to Nazi Germany and ancient Rome. Shows you how twisted this guy really is...I'm sure if a person is a big enough nut case, he can find irrelevant comparisons to anything.

quote:

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This person as those in the past, shall also fade into history.

Please consider their post as 'DELETED' as they shall soon be.

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Uhhh...don't be too quick to count on this, pal. It seems to me the moderators of this forum aren't too fond of you either. Am I wrong, Lulu?

posted 07-03-2003 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Fastwalker:
Typical liberals, don't understand how the economy works. When people (that's you and me…except for Crazy Larry..who we haven‘t established as a person yet) spend and consume products, we create demand for that product.

Ever heard of the concept of supply and demand? When demand increases on a limited supply, we increase value and price and it's a direct relationship. Consumption of products (demand) allows producers to increase price over their costs...in other words, the producer's profit margin increases as the price he is able to charge rises over the fixed and variable costs of production.

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Millionaire farmers withhold food crops until hungry working people are willing to pay more.
Billionaire Refiners stop production of heating oil so there will be a 'shortage' every winter.
Knowing a few average Americans will freeze to death before prices rise enough to meet profitable levels.
>liberals, do... understand how the economy works.<

quote:

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Originally posted by Fastwalker:
people earning more disposable income above and beyond living costs. That’s exactly why tax cuts boost the economy.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Fastwalker on 07-01-2003]

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FW has come out strongly in favor orf raising Minimum Wage to "Living Wage" levels.

FW posted: >people earning more disposable income above and beyond living costs.<

Congratulations!

Yes tax cuts such as the most needed one:
Make the first 25,000.00 from any source tax free!
would boost the economy as the 1993 tax reduction on working people did.
Years of booming economy results from cutting taxes on working people!
And making the fat cats pay a share gave the US a two term boom.

(until voodoo trickle down BS got another stranglehold)

posted 07-06-2003 12:15 PM            

From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
sat, July 5, 2003

>US jobless jump depresses global stocks

By HOPE YEN
Associated Press
New' York -StockS fell
overseas Friday, with Japan's
main index retreating from a
nine-month high, as weak
employment in the United
States stirred caution among
investors betting on a qujck
recovery.
Analysts said many global
investors opted to cash in
recent gainsaft~r the U.S. job"
less rate unexpectedly jumped
to 6.4 percent last month, the
highest level in nine years.
Tepid German manufacturing

and a profit warning from from
Dutch retailer Vendex also
weighed on shares.
U.S. markets were closed
Friday for the July Fourth holiday
and will reopen Monday.

In Japan, the benchmark
225-issue Nikkei Stock Average
lost 77.07 points, or 0.8
percent, to 9,547.73.

In recent days, stocks had..
surged on growing hopes for ""
Ia strong economic recovery in
Japan and the United States.
The Tokyo Stock Price Index
..dropped 3.77 points, or 0.41
percent, to 948.67 points. g
Hong Kong's main Hang Seng Index slipped 9.29
points, or 0.09 percent, to
9,636.81. On Thursday; the
index had gained 43;48 points,
or 0.45 percent. Brokers said
the market was hit by selec-
tive profit-taking following
two sessions of gains.
In Europe, stocks iell after
Vendex warned that losses at
its V &D department stores. ~'t
will be greater than forecast.

Germany's economics ministry also said the nation's
manufacturing orders declined -~
unexpectedly by 2.2 percent in May,
compared with a 1.5 percent rise in April.<

Source:
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
sat, July 5, 2003

(cut and paste to present facts)

posted 07-08-2003 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
wait a minute...your saying an incorrect date btw, that the U.S caused the world's economy to fail ?

the U.S economy is the only one growing now...

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Only the self deluded believe the lie that an economy can grow when unemployment is at a nine year high.

The economy grows when Americans work honest jobs and pay taxes.

As in 1929 and after, the wealthy and self deluded believe all is well when more people live under bridges and more people starve to death in america than any other industrialized nation.

May the homeless learn that cleaning your windshield is futile, but cleaning your clock is a proper response to deliberate destruction of the amerikan economy by bush fascists?

Only time will tell.

In the early 1930's Lincolns in Harlem got turned over and burned with occupants still inside.

Is history repeating?
Uncaring rightwingers in the white house.
Economy deliberately in ruins.
Federal assistance to the rich while the poor starve.

Self deluded brownshirts blaming everyone but themselves.

Yep it's repeating.

posted 07-12-2003 06:59 PM            

same shit I been saying...good news all around....

Market watchers who take the bullish view say a pickup is coming due to a triple whammy of stimulation -- the lowest U.S. interest rates in more than 40 years, tax cuts worth $350 billion and a weaker dollar, which makes U.S.-produced goods more competitive. All of that will boost the economy.

"We are in the early stages of a classic bull equity market anticipating an improving economy," Allen Sinai, chief global economist for Decision Economics Inc., said.

Optimism could grow even more as investors' read their second-quarter financial statements, which will look the best they have in a long time.

The Dow Jones industrial average <.DJI> ended up 83.55 points, or 0.92 percent, at 9,119.59 on Friday. For the week, it rose 0.5 percent, while the Nasdaq climbed 4.2 percent and the S&P 500 gained 1.3 percent.

All the major equity indexes are up enough to practically guarantee the market's first positive year since 1999. But the market's gains are all hinged on hopes for an economic turnaround that will bring higher profits for companies.

posted 07-17-2003 02:44 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by theseeker:
hmmm...hard to argue economics with someone and people that have only known a government handout...I mean paycheck...

same shit I been saying...

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I woked for over 30 years despite a disabling condition engendered while serving on active duty in the US Army.

I've earned every penny of my pensions.

VA doctors close every visit
after I say "Thank you doctor."
with: "Thank you for your service to our nation."

Years of working at Star Wars labs, nuclear plants, and (unable to list) other jobs for our government & private enterprize resulted in my pensions.

And now, & here,
RW chickenhawk maggots
who sacrificed not one limb to America criticize me.
People who never spent time in a hospital nor suffered permanent scarring.
Never had a kid in a supermarket scream upon seeing the result of honerable service to our nation-
before I grew my beard to cover most of the scarring.
(the most obvious of my service connected disabilities)

My service for V V A W alone was more than most veterans do in a lifetime.

I traveled overseas (at my own expense) to convince draftdodgers and deserters to give themselves up to UCMJ military discipline, and thus become Americans again.

My status as an honerably disabled veteran helped me to convince them.
My obvious injuries made the task easier.

The President who served longest in the US military:
Carter
pardoned all draft dodgers,
but never pardoned W Bush and his fellow deserters!

quote:

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Originally posted by theseeker:

shit I been saying...

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Agreed that, in your ignorance you have spouted cultist shit.

Expected of you however and forgiven.

Those who gave nothing for their country understand nothing about sacrifice!

That you understand nothing

is reinforced with every ignorant cult parroting post.

You understand nothing..
You've sacrificed nothing for your country.

You don't even think for yourself.

Beneath contempt?

No personal input.
I don't know you and don't want to know another chickenhawk.

Never been, in my travels, in an American Legion Post (of 4 so far), or DAV post (of 3 so far) or a VFW Post (of two so far) that I was not one of the two nost honored members.
all I ever did was submit my DD-214 and claim to have done nothing but "followed all lawful orders."

Never a hero, only another ordinary American.

In a post full of fake heroes, who sooner or later tell me the truth, in confidence, of course.

posted 07-20-2003 01:26 AM            

good good...I don't believe a word you say...sorry...the shit you peddle ain't worth a hot cup of jack squat...

Never a hero, only another ordinary American.

ordinary Americans are just fine by me and a damn site better that the filth that you rub shoulders with....

your not a hero...or an American by any standard definition I'm aware of...but you certainly are one thing....

a puppet

posted 07-20-2003 02:48 AM            

what does democracy have to due with capitalism ?

at the very least your socialist colors shine through in the insane rhetoric....

confusing government with private industry...LOL....

anyway...how about a little cheese with that whine....

posted 07-20-2003 02:24 PM            

I try to keep the conversation above the waste-line, sunshine...

continous references to such just makes knowthis look like more of an idiot than he/she probably should...maybe not...

still yet to hear a coherent arguement why democrats and liberals are better ....just attack atttack attack on conservatives and republicans....

much like gasbag who left here in disgrace....due to fowl language and posting nasty pictures and NO arguement...

went through 3 different states in the past week and all I seen was new buildings going up...traffic out the ass...and the hussle and bustle of commerce....