posted 07-08-2003 06:36 AM            

This is in relation to previous postings:

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Hall
To: Gerard Holmgren
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:42
Subject: Link

Gerard,

Take a look at this.
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

It is strengthening the position of the 9/11 Truth Movement in general but weakening the position in it of your tendency claiming that a plane did not crash into the Pentagon.

GH:
Thanks. I've already added this one to the evidence kit.
But I don't follow how you conclude that this weakens the proof that AA 77 did not hit the pentagon.
They are claiming that the entire plane just vapourized - disappeared - nothing left. A 65 ton Aluminium/Steel/Titanium structure - from a few thousand gallons of kerosene, which couldn't even melt the Aliminium in it let alone vapourize the steel and titanium. But leaving that aside, since Titanium and steel boil at about 4000 degrees (twice the ficticous and fanciful temperature they claim for the WTC) and all the people were INSIDE the structure - and yet they're IDd with DNA?
I wrote an entire chapter on this question in my pentagon crash article. Thousand of bodies still remain unidentified from the WTC - allegedly because of a 2000 degree fire.
I quoted a statement saying that many of the Bali victims would probably never be IDd because those closest to the blast would have been "disintegrated" .
And yet people right in the middle of an explosion double the WTC tempertature are all IDd (except the Arabs) -and they can't even get their story straight about how many people were on the plane.
CNN has a passanger and crew list of 56, but cites 64 in the summation, USA today had a P&C list of 60, while citing a summation of 64. that really interesting, since there were no Arabs in that either, and 60 plus 5 arabs should make 65- and the FOI document has 58.
If these guys spin any harder, their heads will fall off.
I think the Autopsy was done by by Dr Spin with technical help from the Tom and Jerry school of science.

WH
I haven't read a lot of the material on this, not only yours, because I have always been more involved in the politics of it than the detective work. This may make my questions and observations seem elementary, but I don't think we all have to be detectives. Would appreciate your answers on these points:

WH: How can they claim this and also claim to have carried out an autopsy?

because they count on people being too stupid,too trusting and too confused by the barrage of 'information" that people can't notice the inconsistencies. And for the most part it works. Also because there are varying levels of complicity, and there's all these people making up stories, who don't actually realize the big picture of how those stories are going to be used. This is why its such a mish mash of impossible contradictions.
Like scrambling jet fighters from langley, which TENC worked out that they would have had to have been flying at less than 258 mph to not get there in time. Like Atta's passport surviving the WTC crash.
Like forgetting to fabricate a passenger list with Arab names on it,and not even getting the summation of the number of people supposedly on board to match up with the lists.
AA 11 86 names - summation 92
UAL 175 65 vs 72
AA 77 56 vs 64
UAL 93 33 vs 45 (later changed to 44 )

Then claiming that the ferocious heat in the WTC (first 800 degrees, then 1000 then 2000)
was why many of the bodies could not be IDd, but claiming that everyone on AA 77 was, when they had been inside a plane which was supposedly burned to a cinder.
Although there was a lot of argument going around about AA 77, most of it was on an anecdotal basis, people just looking at photos, seeing instinctively that a plane of that size could not possibly have gone in there, and the rebuttals equally vague as in "it burned" ,"its hidden under the rubble" "it blew up" etc.
My article, as far as I know was the first to deconstruct the problem in a really thorough and methodical way. That raised the standard and then much more sophisticated simulations and crash theories started appearing in response to it.

WH
Any ideas on why the AFIP is releasing information now if they weren't doing it before?

posted 07-08-2003 08:53 AM            

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/spencer03.htm

posted 07-08-2003 10:16 PM            

Why the change of heart?

posted 07-09-2003 03:04 AM            

Our country was hijacked many moons ago. Only someone who ain't got a clue still resorts to "party loyalty".

posted 07-09-2003 03:16 AM            

THE TRUTH ABOUT SEPT 11

Last updated June 14 2003

Section 1: Airforce stand-down

1:1 It has become popular mythology in the media that fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the hijacked planes. This is completely untrue as the following research shows.
Guilty For 9-11: Bush, Rumsfeld, Myers, by Illarion Bykov and Jared
Israel, 14 Nov 2001 http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm

1:2 Mr. Cheney's Cover Story -- Section 2 of Guilty For 9-11, 20 Nov
2001 http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm

1:3 9-ll: Nothing Urgent, by George Szamuely, Research & documentation
by Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel, Jan 2002
http://emperor.vwh.net/indict/urgent.htm

1:4 Planes "did scramble " on 9/11,they just " arrived late " http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/faq.htm

1:5 Scrambled Messages, by George Szamuely, 12 Dec 2001 http://www.nypress.com/14/50/taki/bunker.cfm

1:6 Air National Guard Mission and Vision statements http://nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/ang-mission.htm

1:7 Russian Air Force chief says official 9/11 story impossible http://emperors-clothes.com/news/airf.htm

Scrambling of fighter jets to intercept stray aircraft is a routine proceedure.
Here's an example of how routine it is.

1.13 Jet Sent to probe Fla. Gov. Plane. Netscape news. May 15 2003. http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story.jsp?floc=NW_2-T&oldflok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20030515/001648315.htm&sc=1110&floc=NW_2-T

The proceedures were already in place before Sept 11 2001.
It happened 67 times in the 10 months between September 2000 and June 2001.

1.8 Use of military jets jumps since 9/11. Associated Press Aug 13 2002. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/2002/ap081302.html
1.9 CBS News. Scrambling to prevent another 9/11 Aug 14 2002 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/14/attack/main518632.shtml
1.10 Preventing another 9/11 Military.com http://www.military.com/NewsContent/1,13319,FL_jet_081502,00.html
1.11 ABC News Jets on high Alert. Aug 13 2002. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/homefront020813.html
1.12 Military now notified immediately of unusual air traffic events. Fox news Aug 12 2002 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60245,00.html#top

So on Sept 11, 2001 - Why were no fighter jets scrambled, and why has a cover up story been concocted?

In the unlikely event that the airforce failed through incompetence, ( not once but 4 times! ) where is the major inquiry?
I have seen bigger inquiries into car crashes at race tracks.
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Section 2: Complicit behavoir of G.W.Bush

It has become common mythology in the media that George W. Bush was at Booker Elementary School when he learned of the first WTC crash. This is a lie. Why is Bush lying about where he was, and what he knew?

2:1 Guilty for 9-11 Section 3: Bush in the open by Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel. http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm

This is not the only lie Bush has told about his movements that morning. See how many times he has changed his story.

2:2 Sept 11 attacks- evidence of US collusion by Steve Grey. http://austin.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2342&group=webcast
(Read the section called "A tangle of lies")

2.3 Bush gets tangled in his lies Part 1. A strange press conference.
By Jared israel and francisco Gil-White Sept 25 2002. http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/calif1.htm

2:4 Bush Gets Tangled in his 9-11 Lies, Part 2:
White House Cover-up Creates More Problems than it Solves
by Jared Israel and Francisco Gil-White [7 October 2002] http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/calif2.htm

2:5 The President as Incompetent Liar: Bush's Claim that he Saw TV Footage of 1st Plane Hitting WTC
Comments by Jared Israel [Posted 12 September 2002]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/liar.htm

Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair. Bush is lying about where he was, what he was doing and what he knew, during the crucial period between 8.45 and 9 AM on Sept 11.
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Why did the President - after being told "America is under attack" continue to listen to schoolchildren reading for another 25 minutes ? Why was he cheering, smiling and joking even as it was known that at least one more hijacked plane was on the loose ? View the TV footage which proves treason at the top level.

2:6 http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/vid.htm
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Section 3: The Ficticious Hijackers

If 19 Arabs hijacked the planes, why are there no Arabic names on any of the passenger lists? If they used non-Arabic aliases, which of the " innocents " on the lists are alleged to be the hijackers?
3:1 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html
Passenger and crew list for AA 11 (first WTC crash.)

3:2 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
AA 77 (Pentagon crash)

3:3 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua175.victims.html
UAL 175 (2nd WTC crash)

3:4 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua93.victims.html
UAL 93 (Pensylvannia crash)

If they are alleged to have been using non- Arabic aliases (19 obviously Arabic men got on board using non-Arabic ID, with 100% success rate ? ), why did the FBI claim that they were traced through the use of credit cards to buy tickets in their own names?

If 9 of the alleged hijackers were searched before boarding, as claimed in this article
3:5 http://www.policetalk.com/9_hijackers.html
why is there no airport security footage of them? How did they (allegedly) get on board with knives, guns, AND electronic guidance systems, while being searched, but avoiding security cameras and not being on the passenger lists?
What aliases were they alleged to be using when they were searched,and if they were not using aliases, why are they not on the passenger lists?


What of reports that some of the alleged hijackers are still alive, and had nothing to do with the attacks ?
3:6 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
3:7 http://www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm
3:8 http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/world01/afgwar-die.htm
3:9http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_12_01/STILL_ALIVE__FBI_Mixed_Up_on_T/still_alive__fbi_mixed_up_on_t.html
3:10 http://www.corpust.com/CorpusTArchiveFBI70f19Alive.cfm
3.12 http://www.welfarestate.com/911/
3.13 http://truedemocracy.net/td4/24s-c-6men.html
3.14 http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/092001_news_trail.shtml
3.15 http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
3.16 http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/alive.html
3.17 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/NEWSTF/stfch11.htm
3.18 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0109190363sep19.story?coll=chi-news-hed

According to this article
3:11 http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:uEUylyDIXdYC:www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/nation/9-11/stories/121202dnint911gas.928b2377.html+FBI+Agent:+Sept.+11+Hijackers+Probably +Used+Gas&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

the FBI now claims that the hijackers used gas to subdue the passengers and crew. If they used gas they would have been affected themselves - unless they had masks. The story gets better all the time. They somehow got on board with masks, gas, guns,knives and electronic guidance systems, in spite of being searched, didn't show up on the airport security cameras, and were not on the passenger lists. They left flight manuals in Arabic in rented cars outside the airport ( last minute brushing up on the way there, about how to fly the things! ) and then crashed the planes in breath taking displays of skilled piloting. Just to make sure we knew who they were, their passports were conveniently found in spite of fiery crashes which incinerated the planes and occupants. So they got on board with false IDs but used their real passports ?

If the mythical Arab hijackers really were on the planes and airport security systems failed due to incompetence ( not once but 19 times! ), where is the major inquiry? I have seen bigger inquiries into racehorse doping scandals.
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Section 4: More oddities

Why the official story concerning the hijacking of AA11 (first WTC crash) cannot possibly be true.

4:1 9/11 Redux: (The Observer¹s Cut) American Airlines Flight 11, Reexamined By David L. Graham http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/redux.html

Was an urban rescue team sent to New York the night before the
attacks?
4:2 http://www.halturnershow.com/FEMA.htm
4:3 http://www.tpromo.com/gk/jun02/062602.htm

4.4 Former top German Cabinet Minister rejects official story of 9 11 attacks.
Interview with Andreas von Buelow. Tagesspiegel Jan 13 2002. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html

National Security Advisor Rice and WhiteHouse spokesman Fleischer lied in saying that nobody had ever concieved of planes being used in this manner, their statements in this article,

Bush Was Warned of Hijackings Before 9/11; Lawmakers Want Public Inquiry ABC News May 16 2002
4:5 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html

when the 1994 extract from Time magazine, quoted in article 2:1 demonstrates that the potential problem had been recognized for decades.
And there are other examples of this possibility having been widely recognized prior to sept 11.
4:6 "Omens of terror." by David Wise Oct 7 2001 http://www.hermes-press.com/omens.htm

In article 4:5 Rice also lied in saying that any threat had been overwhelmingly perceived as being overseas. The statement she made is in this press briefing.
4:7 Press Briefing by National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice
The James S. Brady Briefing Room May 16 2002 . 4.10PM EDT http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html

But this is the truth about the memo to which she refers.

4:8 August memo focused on attacks in the U.S. by Bob Wooward and Dan Eggen.Washington Post staff writers. May 18 2002. page A01.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A35744-2002May17¬Found=true

What did happen to Flight 93? by Richrad Wallace. The Daily Mirror sept 13, 2002

4:9 http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/2002/mirror091302.html

4:10 http://www.thepowerhour.com/postings-three/flight-93-shot-down.htm

4.11 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12192317&method=full&siteid=50143

Are cell phone calls from planes, of the type allegedly made by passengers on Sept 11 possible ?

4:12 http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/project_achilles_report_1_030123.html

4.13 http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/project_achilles_report_2_030225.html

Section 5: Where is the evidence against Bin laden?

Why is it that the US government doesn't feel confident enough of it's case against Bin laden to lay any formal charges, but keeps " finding" convenient video " confession" tapes ? Probably because new video technology makes it impossible to distinguish between a real video confession and a fake.

When seeing and hearing isn't believing. by William M. Arkin. Washington Post Feb 1 1999
5:1 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

Last word in High Tech trickery. by David Higgins Sydney Morning Herald. may 16 2002
5:2 http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/16/1021415016681.html

For more detailed evidence of a preplanned agenda to fabricate evidence against Bin Laden,

Sept 11 attacks- evidence of US collusion by Steve Grey.
2:2 http://austin.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2342&group=webcast
(Read the section called "Evidence please !")

It has become a common myth that Bin Laden has admitted to the attacks. This simply isn't true.

Bin laden denies terror attacks and points finger at jews. Annanova news.
5:3 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_410936.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

Bin laden denies attacks as Taliban talks holy war. ABC news online Sept 17 2001.
5:4 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2001/09/item20010917010639_1.htm

Bin Laden denies being behind attacks. JS ONline Milwaukee Jornal Sentinal Sept 16 2001
5;5 http://www.jsonline.com/news/nat/sep01/binladen-denial.asp

Osama Bin Laden claims terrorist attacks in USA were committed by some American terrorist group. Pravda Sept 12 2001
5:6 http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/2001/09/12/14910.html

Bin laden Denies US attack says paper. Middle East News
5:7 http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-37/reg/bin_laden_denies.htm

Bin laden says he wasn't behind attacks CNN sept 17 2001
5:8 http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html

Bin Laden denies role in attacks. newsday.com Sept 17 2001
5:9 http://www.newsday.com/ny-wobin172369727sep17,0,7370581.story

Taliban says Bin Laden denied role in attacks. Yahoo news Sept 13 2001.
5:10 http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/denies-reuters-taliban.htm

Section 6: Insider trading reveals high level foreknowledge

In the first few hours after the attacks, it was reported that investigators were already looking into huge volumes of insider trading on airline stocks in the weeks leading up to the attacks.
Why has this story since completely disappeared? Do authorities seriously expect us to believe that more than a year later, they still do not know who was responsible? Should not alarm bells have been ringing BEFORE the attacks with these record volumes of trading?
If the executive director of the CIA had previously managed the firm which handled much of the trade, are we seriously expected to believe that he doesn't know who was responsible?

Suppresed Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly Into The CIA's Highest Ranks -- CIA Executive Director `Buzzy' Krongard Managed Firm That Handled `Put' Options on UAL, by Michael C. Ruppert, 9 Oct 2001
6:1 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html

Mystery of terror `insider dealers', by Chris Blackhurst, 14 Oct 2001
6:2 http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402

Profits of Death -- Insider Trading and 9-11, by Tom Flocco - Edited by Michael C. Ruppert, 6 Dec 2001
6:3 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO112B.html

Where is the major inquiry? I have seen bigger inquiries into local government contract scandals.
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Section 7: The pentagon frame up and the WTC plane switch

It is alleged that that American Airlines 77 ( a hijacked Boeing 757 ) crashed into the Pentagon. A Boeing 757 is a very large aircraft with a wingspan of 125 ft and a length of 155 ft. So how did it make an initial hole 12 ft wide, collapsing only about a 35 ft depth of the outer ring of the building - and not leave any wreckage outside ?
This photo of the damage to the Pentagon wall
7:1 http://66.129.143.7/june2aa.htm
proves that whatever crashed into the pentagon was NOT AA 77, which demonstrates the Pentagon attack to have been a self - inflicted frame up.

For a quick overview of the impossibility of the official story
7:2 http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

For a full physical analysis of the crash scene

Physical and mathematical analysis of Pentagon crash. by Gerard Holmgren Oct 2002
7:3 http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php

Why was there a concerted effort to fabricate eyewitness evidence for the official story regarding AA 77?

Did AA 77 hit the Pentagon? Eyewitness accounts examined. by Gerard Holmgren June 2002

7:4 http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast

7:5 The Pentaogn crash hoax http://nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/WhatHitThePentagon/

What hit WTC towers? Were they the planes we've been told ? ( AA 11 and UAL 175)
http://whatzit.bravepages.com
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Sectrion 8: If the Attack on Afghanistan was a retaliation for Sept 11, why had it already been planned months before ?

BBC News report by George Arney.
8:1 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1550000/1550366.stm

U.S. Planned for attack on Al -Qaida. White house given strategy two days before Sept 11.NBC news. May 16 2002
8:2 http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:A5WwRGMKgTYC:www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/2002/msnbc051602.html+U.S.+Planned+for+attack+on+Al+-Qaeda.+White+house+given+strategy+two+da ys+before+Sept+11.&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

US planned to hit bin Laden ahead of September 11 By David Rennie in Washington

8:3 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/05/walq05.xml

US Tells of covert Afghan plans before 9/11 By Bob Drogin LA Times May 18 2002
8.5 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-051802strike.story

Why were we originally told that the attack on Afghanistan was not planned prior to sept 11, and was purely a retaliation to a " surprise " attack, and the story then changed after proof of the preplanned attack came to light ?

Section 9: U.S. and Bin Laden co-operate behind the scenes.

The new story is that they allegedly feared Bin Laden so much that they wanted to get him first. So why didn't they arrest him when they had the chance in July 2001?
The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital last July in Dubai, by Alexandra Richard, Translated courtesy of Tiphaine Dickson, Le Figaro, 11 Oct 2001
9:1 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
9:2 http://guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html
9:3 http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/lefigaro.htm

Bin Laden met with the CIA in July and walked away by Michael C. Ruppert
9:4 http://www.rense.com/general16/bin.htm
And why was the Bush family still in business with the Bin Laden Family, even AFTER Sept 11?

Osama bin Laden's Bush family Business Connections, Alliance With Pakistan Will Stimulate Drug Trade, Bring Revenues Under U.S. Control --Colombian Opium Production Will Soar; The Taliban's Biggest Economic Attack on the U.S. Came in February With The Destruction of Its Opium Crop by Michael C. Ruppert, 18 Sept 2001
9:5 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/09_18_01_bushbin.html
Carlyle profit from Afghan war, by David Lazarus, 2 Dec 2001
9:6 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/LAZ112A.html

Elder Bush in Big G.O.P. Cast Toiling for Top Equity Firm, by Leslie
Wayne, 5 Mar 2001
9:7 http://www.truthout.com/0662.Bush.Saudi.htm

The George W. Bush Money Tree
9:8 http://www.bushnews.com/bushmoney.htm

Bush Family's dirty little secret: President's oil companies funded by Bin Laden family and wealthy Saudis who financed Osama bin Laden, by Rick Wiles,Sep 2001
9:9 http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm

Arms Buildup Enriches Carlyle Group, Bush Sr. is Consultant, by Mark Fineman, 10 Jan 2002
9:10 http://www.truthout.com/01.11F.Arms.Carlyle.htm

Gaping holes in the CIA V Bin Laden Story by Jared Israel
9:11 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probestop-i.htm

BushLaden by Jared Israel
9:12 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen.htm

Addition to the above article
9:13 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen2-i.htm

Judicial Watch:Bush/Bin Laden connection " has now turned into a scandal " Statement from Judicial watch with comments by Jared Israel
9:14 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/jw.htm

9:15 Bin laden. Terrorist monster:Take two ! by Jared Israel. Oct 9 2001 http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/taketwo-a.htm
9:16 New Chairman of 9/11 Commission had business ties with Osama's Brother in Law by Michel Chossudovsky 27 december 2002 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO212A.html

And why did the US turn down an offer to extradite Bin Laden in 1996, AFTER naming him as wanted for the 1993 WTC bombing?
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Section 10: The suspicious collapse of the World trade centre Towers.

How did the WTC collapse? Why no serious inquiry? Why was the debris rushed away for recycling before any examination could be held?

10:1 Muslims suspend laws of physics by J. McMichael Nov 25 2001 http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html
10:2 Muslims suspend laws of Physics. part 2 by J.McMichael http://serendipity.li/wot/mslp_ii.htm

"Burning Questions...Need Answers": Fire Engineering's Bill Manning Calls for Comprehensive Investigation of WTC Collapse, 4 Jan 2002
10:3 http://zgrams.zundelsite.org/pipermail/zgrams/2002-January/000200.html
10:4 http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2002/markr19-12.htm
10:5 http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/PDF/FireEngineering-1-4-02-BurningQuestionsNeedAnswers.pdf
10:6 A firefighter says "we think there were bombs set in the building" http://people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-3,00.html

10:7 In Curious Battle: An expert recants on Why the WTC collapsed by John Flaherty and Jared Israel http://emperors-clothes.com/news/albu.htm

10:8 Documentary footage from the scene of the WTC attacks,and eyewitness accounts from firefighters at the scene reveal serious flaws in the official accounts. http://www.thepowerhour.com/postings/911-oddities-revealed.htm

For a series of engineering articles and informative videos on the WTC collapse, see

10:9 http://home.attbi.com/~jmking/Collapse_update.htm

10:10 Evidence of explosives in South WTC Tower collapse http://la.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/23816.php

10:11 The World Trade Centre demolition http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/wtc-demolition.htm

10:12 Capter 1 of the FEMA WTC collapse report (with comment) http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch1.htm

10:13 Capter 2 (with comment) http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch2.htm

10.14 The jet fuel. How hot did it heat the World trade Center? http://www.uscrusade.com/forum/config.pl/read/1064

10.15 Proof of controlled demolition at the WTC by Jerry Russell, Ph.D. http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm

10.16 Where's the inferno? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm

Steel melts at 1539 degrees. Jet fuel (kerosene) burns at 800 degrees. Are we seriously expected to believe that burning kerosene towards the top of the building ( heat travels upwards ) somehow caused both towers to neatly implode in a manner identical to that of a controlled demolition ?
Where is the inquiry? I have seen bigger inquiries into suburban housefires. Why is discussion of the possibility of a controlled implosion completely taboo? Why do authorities keep inventing ridiculous stories about burning jet fuel melting steel?
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Section 11: Hands off Bin Laden !

Why were the FBI told to not investigate the Bin Laden family links in the US?

Has someone been sitting on the FBI? Transcript of a BBC Newsnight Report on "the questionable links of the bin Laden Family," 6 Nov 2001
11:1 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BBC111A.html
11:2 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probetrans.htm (added comments by Jared Israel)

Bush thwarted FBI probe against bin Ladens, Hindustan Times, 7 Nov 2001
11:3 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/HIN111A.html

US efforts to make peace summed up by `oil', by Lara Marlowe, 19 Nov 2001
11:4 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAR111A.html
11:5 http://www.fisiusa.org/fisi_News_items/news369.htm
Called Off the Trail? FBI Agents Probing Terror Links Say They Were Told, ‘Let Sleeping Dogs Lie’
By Brian Ross and Vic Walker. ABC News Dec 19 2002
11:6 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/FBI_whistleblowers021219.html
After capuring one of the six most wanted Taliban leaders, the US then let him go. "By mistake " of course, because of "flawed intelligence."
11:7 Taliban general 'freed by mistake' Sunday Times Dec 19 2002 http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,5704967%255E15574,00.html
11:8 US accidentally set wanted taliban Leader free. Clari news dec 18 2002. http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/bn/Qus-attacks-taliban.RVGa_CDI.html
11:9 FBI agent Robert Wright says FBI assigned to intelligence operations continue to protect terrorists from criminal investigations and prosecutions. Judicial Watch Sept 11, 2002. http://www.judicialwatch.org/2469.shtml

Section 12: Its really not so surprising.

In 1962, the joint chiefs of staff approved a CIA plan to commit terrorist acts against the US and frame Cuba.

Friendly Fire -- Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba, by David Ruppe, 1 May 2001
12:1 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

Pentagon Proposed Pretexts for Cuba Invasion in 1962, The National Security Archive, 30 Apr 2001
12:2 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Northwoods - a plan for terror to justify war. Comments by Jared Israel.
12:3 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-int.htm

Scanned images of the actual document.
12.4 Page i http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm
12.5 Page ii http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-ii.htm
12:6 Page iii http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-iii.htm
12.7 Page 1 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-1.htm
12.8 Page 2 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-2.htm
12.9 Page 3 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-3.htm
12.10 Page 4 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-4.htm
12.11 Page 5 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-5.htm
12.12 Page 6 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-6.htm
12.13 Page 7 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-7.htm
12.14 Page 8 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-8.htm
12.15 Page 9 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-9.htm
12:16 Page 10 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-10.htm
12.17 Page 11 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-11.htm
12.18 Page 12 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-12.htm

US military schemes- ominously like 9/11.
12:19 http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/bamford.htm
If such tactics were considered normal and acceptable practice by the Government in 1962, what evidence is there that things have changed?

Henry Kissenger advocated a similar strategy in 1992
12:20 http://www.spotlight.org/Newsbureau/Prisoner/Media/media.html

as Did Zbigniew Brzezinski in 1997.
A War in the Planning for Four Years. HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE? Zbigniew Brzezinski and the CFR Put War Plans In a 1997 Book - It Is "A Blueprint for World Dictatorship," Says a Former German Defense and NATO Official Who Warned of Global Domination in 1984,in an Exclusive Interview With FTW byMichael C. Ruppert
12:21 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html
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Section 13: Who created and funded the Al Qaeda Network?

A Vital Piece of the Puzzle: Dollars for Terror -- The United States and Islam, by Carol Brouillet ·
13:1 http://www.communitycurrency.org/vital.html

Bin Laden in the Balkans - Collection of mainstream media articles. Compiled by Jared Israel
13:2 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm

The Creation called Osama by Shamsul Islam
13:3 http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/creat.htm

"Articles documenting US creation of taliban and Bin Laden's terrorist network" Series of links to different articles
13:4 http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/doc.htm

"Osama Bin Laden: Made in USA" by Jared Israel
13:5 http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/madein.htm

"Bush and the media cover up the Jihad schoolbook scandal" by Jared Israel
13:6 http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/jihad.htm

U.S. Protects Al-Qaeda Terrorists in Kosovo, by Umberto Pascali, 2 Nov 2001
13:7 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/PAS111A.html
Which Terrorists are worse? Al Quaeda? Or the KLA? by Jared Israel
13:8 http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/kla-aq.htm

Section14 : Who created the civil war in Afghanistan?
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser [Posted 6 October 2001]
Ex- National Security Chief Brzezinski admits: Afghan war and Islamism were made in Washington
14:1 http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm

Section 15:Why have the President and Vice President resisted moves for an inquiry into Sept 11?
Bush asks Daschle to limit Sept. 11 probes CNN Jan 29 2002.
15:1 http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/
Bush,GOP blast calls for 9/11 inquiry. CNN May 17 2002
15:2 http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/16/president.gop.senators/
Daschle: Bush, Cheney Urged No Sept. 11 Inquiry Reuters newswire UK May 26 2002
15:3 http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=1680
Bush and Cheney Block 9-11 Investigation By Mike Hersh Oct 24, 2002, 2:22pm
15:4 http://www.mikehersh.com/Bush_and_Cheney_Block_911_Investigation_.shtml
Bush Was Warned of Hijackings Before 9/11; Lawmakers Want Public Inquiry ABC News May 16 2002
4:5 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html
15.5 Bush opposes 9/11 query panel. CBS News. May 23 2002. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/15/attack/main509096.shtml
15:6 9/11 Panel asks what briefers told Bush. White House retreats on independent probe.
Dana Priest and Dana Milbank. Washington Post Sept 21 2002. Page A01 http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A46446-2002Sep20¬Found=true
15.7 White House refuses to release Sept 11 info. by Frank Davies Miami Herald May 5 2003 http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/5792329.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

posted 07-09-2003 05:37 AM            

Conspiracy Man all that I was trying to do was draw your attention to an ally in Australia.

Gerard has done an incredible job on the 9/11 story but last I heard he was not clued up on chemtrails. Perhaps they are not an obvious enough phenomenon over Sydney. You may see more of them around Canberra. In any case apart from a local and apparently successful mobilisation three years ago or so against chemtrails in the Mullumbimby area on the N.S.W. north coast (were they spraying those hippies at Nimbin?) there is apparently not much chemtrail discussion in Australia. I don't know whether this is related to lack of chemtrail activity. There certainly is some going on.

posted 07-12-2003 01:53 AM            

You need only visit Chemtrail Centrail and visit the links to pictures
to see the photographic evidence and read the first hand testimony.

As for the (Operation Northwoods) events of 911.
Only in the states are people deluded by a biased media
to ignore evidence and believe the administration's propaganda.
eg:
all of the airframe and powerplants of the 'airplane that hit the pentagon'
were sucked into the fireball and destroyed,

but dna evidence remained to identify the passengers.
Yeah sure.

exotic metals vanished into a fireball,
but human tissue samples survived to identify the passengers.

WTC airplanes vanished into the fireball
but passports of the hijackers survived for identification purposes.

Yeah sure.

One F-16's turbojet engine was produced to prove a 757 hit the pentagon,

Yeah sure.

A military,
configured and trained to detect an attack by radar jamming soviet ICBM's,
was unable to track 3 jumbo jets. (for over 45 minutes on 911)
Yeah sure.

Radar
designed to track all incoming over north america
was unable to track three jumbo jets/
even though
FOX weather radar tracks rainclouds every day.
Yeah sure.

Anybody who believes the Bush administration version of events

should buy some of my beachfront property in arizona,

or swampland in florida, just ripe for tract homes,

or how about a bridge in Brooklyn.

You could charge tolls.

"Stupid is as stupid does."
Forrest Gump/Bush administration

everything was a conspiracy to the right wing
until their side took power.

since then...
There are no conspiracies!

Or so the members of that 'vast rightwing conspiracy' say....often.

Ignore the elephant behind that curtain!

posted 07-14-2003 04:41 AM            

There hasn't been any significant exposure of real 9/11 facts in the European media.

The lack of significant European support for truth-oriented Americans is something I find very problematic.

There is a kind of "light" support for UN-oriented globalist Americans. That is as far as it goes.