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Ellyn
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728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 07-09-2003 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is information worth sharing.

Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

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suckingeggs
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272 posts, Mar 2003

posted 07-10-2003 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for suckingeggs   Visit suckingeggs's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/voting.shtml

How to fix an election via the backdoor

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shatoga
Agent Provocateur


588 posts, Nov 2002

posted 07-12-2003 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks y'all,
I've reposted those great links to several other forums.
with a link back to this thread.


Maybe free thinkers will come here to slay the rightwing troika/dragon.

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Ellyn
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728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 07-14-2003 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How George W. Bush Won
the 2004 Presidential Election

Purging voter lists is just the beginning: the U.S. has embraced a form of electronic voting that is unreliable, unverifiable and funded by the radical Christian right.

http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html




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shatoga
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588 posts, Nov 2002

posted 07-14-2003 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ellyn:
How George W. Bush Won
the 2004 Presidential Election

Purging voter lists is just the beginning: the U.S. has embraced a form of electronic voting that is unreliable, unverifiable and funded by the radical Christian right.

http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html




[Edited 1 times, lastly by Ellyn on 07-14-2003]


Always remember the churches in Germany and Poland supported Hitler.

Is history repeating?
(preparing the congregation to accept vote fraud)

The parallels in rhetoric are unmistakable:

"I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise.
There needs to be some kind of protection for
the minority which the white people represent now,
and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."
--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92

"Die Deutschen Leute verlangen Schutz!"--Adolph Hitler
The German people demand protection!

If it quacks like a duck (spouts Nazi rhetoric)

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots.
This is one nation under God."-- George Bush

Jews should not be considered citizens of Germany.
Ein Volk-Ein Reich-Ein Fuhrer!-Gott Mitt Eins!

If it quacks like a duck (spouts Nazi rhetoric)

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 07-14-2003 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya Vol ein Fuhrer!

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the professor
exposing the mechanisms of evil


heartland USA
770 posts, Jan 2003

posted 07-14-2003 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the professor   Visit the professor's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Hitler thing cracks me up, If Bush were hitler your ashes would be being trampled on by now. In the future try spreading your hate to other members like maybe the tri lateral comission, the Carlyle group, the cfr, Bush sure must be a busy man being the all world controlling antichrist. Start hating some of the folks at the central banking system your being biased and leaving them out, c mon now fair and balance right?
Oh yeah and put some of the blame on your own senators and congressman because most of them voted for the war you did not want.

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graeme
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Sebastopol, CA, USA
169 posts, May 2003

posted 07-14-2003 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for graeme   Email graeme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the whole focus should be taken off Bush completely. Agree with his Administration's policies or not, he really has nothing to do with them. His use was name recognition to get into the White House. The folks he brought with him and installed in positions of power are the ones that complaints should be directed at. Bush doesn't have a say in policy. Love him, hate him, or indifferent- that much is obvious.

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shatoga
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588 posts, Nov 2002

posted 07-15-2003 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the professor:
The Hitler thing cracks me up, If Bush were hitler your ashes would be being trampled on by now.

Bush sure must be a busy man being the all world controlling antichrist.


Cute prof,
the proudest day of my over 50 years* was when a fascist at NJ online posted
(about me in december of 2000)
"That's the kind of Liberal we'll send to the camps first."

Other conservatives have accidentally been a bit more honest and revealed the Nazi/Bush connection is not a coincidence.


*Lives saved and awards given, over a lifetime of service to my nation,
meant nothing compared to that honor-
being identified as an actual enemy of the American Hitler!

Such an honor!

BTW:
Sun Myung Moon is the self-declared messiah!

Bush is merely his servant.

>Moon has stated his goal is the "subjugation of the American government and population." <


THAT's my reason for being opposed to Moon.

Why are you not opposed to someone whose goal is the >"subjugation of the American government and population." < http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0D7fPtv662Lw9k0058J-2tsr0CZ jReOypcHoX4JvyJC-IJUzyT5NPhAT5VAC9hbsHTvKOWdmH3F36cOs/Moon.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/TN/bizarrotom/

NEWS BRIEF: "Religious right finds its center in oval office: Bush emerges as movement's leader after Robertson leaves Christian Coalition", by Dana Milbank, Washington Post Staff Writer, Monday, December 24, 2001, Page A02, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19253-2001Dec23.html
"Pat Robertson's resignation this month as president of the Christian Coalition confirmed the ascendance of a new leader of the religious right in America: George W. Bush. For the first time since religious conservatives became a modern political movement, the president of the United States has become the movement's de facto leader ... Christian publications, radio and television shower Bush with praise, while preachers from the pulpit treat his leadership as an act of providence. A procession of religious leaders who have met with him testify to his faith, while Web sites encourage people to fast and pray for the president."
We encourage you to read NEWS1596 thoroughly, for its importance to today's reality is exceedingly important. President Bush has been declared the leader of the "Religious Right". The rest of the world also considers Bush to be the leader of the Christian Right!

Revelation states that the Dragon/Moon gives power to the Beast/Bush.

>Moon claims on his Web Site http://www.unification.net
that he had great influence over Reagan. Moon claims he was the one who got Reagan to go for SDI (Star Wars). Moon claims that through the Washington Times,
a Moonie owned newspaper, that he is responsible for Bush winning the presidency in 1988.
Since than President Bush has appeared at Moonies events and endorsed the cause of the moonies. So has former president Ford. Moon has spend at least 2 Billion Dollars influencing American Politics, Christian Organizations, and the American Press.<

You Moonie cultists keep giving me an excuse to post the obvious.
Blame yourselves for being so self deluded.
Instead of blaming me for posting the obvious simple truths.



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suckingeggs
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272 posts, Mar 2003

posted 07-15-2003 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for suckingeggs   Visit suckingeggs's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.americanfreepress.net/11_10_02/Secret_Group_Manipulates/secret_group_manipulates.html

Secret Group Manipulates Vote Machines

The widespread use of electronic voting machines has severely undermined the integrity of elections in the United States. Behind the companies that make the voting machines is a small and secretive group of men, including a well-known U.S. senator.

Exclusive to American Free Press

By Christopher Bollyn

The mid-term elections have been described as “revolutionary” due to the unusual success of Republican candidates while a president from the same party occupied the White House.

However, the upset election results that heralded the Republican revolution have been accompanied by a credibility gap because of the historic devolution in how Americans cast their votes.

As a result of the 2000 election fiasco in Florida, expensive electronic voting machines have replaced paper ballot voting systems in a growing number of jurisdictions across the United States.

However, the electronic touch-screen voting and ballot-counting machines lack the transparency and credibility of hand-counted paper ballots.

Furthermore, troubling revelations about the people who are invested in the companies that make these voting machines raise a host of serious questions about the condition of the democratic franchise in the United States.

The companies that design, build, and operate most of the voting machines currently being used are privately held and secretive. Before the 2000 elections, when this reporter tried to learn who owned Omaha-based Electronic Systems and Software (ES&S), the largest voting machine company in the United States, the information was simply not available.

ES&S, whose motto is “Better elections every day,” claims to have counted 100 million ballots in the 2000 election and 56 percent of the vote in the last four presidential elections. However, company officials have repeatedly refused to discuss the security of their voting machines or divulge who owns and directs the company.

Two independent writers, Bev Harris of Talion.com and journalist Lynn Landes of EcoTalk.org, have investigated the voting machine companies operating in the United States and have discovered a number of political connections to the Republican Party and a well-known senator from Nebraska.

THE OMAHA CONNECTION

According to Nebraska’s Elections Office, ES&S is the only voting machine company certified to count votes in the state. A small percentage of the vote in Nebraska is still hand-counted.

ES&S was formed in 1997 by a merger of Omaha-based American Information Systems (AIS) and Dallas-based Business Records Corp. (BRC). BRC was partially owned by Cronus Industries, a company with connections to the Hunt brothers from Texas, as well as other individuals and entities, including Rothschild, Inc.

In 1997, American Information Systems was an unincorporated, wholly-owned subsidiary of the Omaha World-Herald Company according to a Department of Justice press release about the merger of AIS with BRC. American Information Systems’ 1996 sales in all of its product lines were about $14.3 million.

Nebraska-born Charles T. “Chuck” Hagel moved to Omaha in 1992 to become chairman of AIS and the McCarthy Group, a private investment bank, Harris told AFP.

AIS was the voting machine company that counted the votes by which Hagel was elected to the Senate in 1996. Hagel had only resigned as CEO of AIS in 1995.

Josh Denney, spokesman for Sen. Hagel’s Washington office, told AFP that Hagel had been chairman of the board at AIS “for about a year.” Denney said that Hagel had resigned from the AIS board on March 15, 1995, but had continued to serve as president of McCarthy and Co., until 1996.

Today, Hagel has investments in the renamed Mc Carthy Group worth between $1 million and $5 million, according to documents published by Harris on her web site.

Because the McCarthy Group reportedly owns some 35 percent of ES&S, Harris has raised the matter of Hagel’s investment in a company that counts the votes in Nebraska. Omaha World-Herald reportedly owns about 45 percent of ES&S.

Lawyers representing ES&S have recently asked Harris to remove the documents and information from her web site. Harris, however, has not removed the material, saying that voters need to know who owns the companies that make voting machines to avoid any possible conflict-of-interest issues.

Two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich, founded AIS in the 1980s. Today Bob is president of Diebold Election Systems, while Todd is a vice president at ES&S.

Diebold Election Systems, Inc., a wholly owned operating subsidiary of Diebold, Inc., recently won a $54 million contract to overhaul Georgia’s election system technology.

Georgia became the first state in the country to implement a uniform statewide computerized touch-screen voting system.

The Diebold system was sold to voters in Georgia as a “state-of-the-art system” that is “more accurate, convenient and accessible to voters.”

The electronic touch-screen system does not provide a verifiable paper trail, which degrades the credibility of the results.

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shatoga
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588 posts, Nov 2002

posted 07-15-2003 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Bible

>Two independent writers, Bev Harris of Talion.com and journalist Lynn Landes of EcoTalk.org, have investigated the voting machine companies operating in the United States and have discovered a number of political connections to the Republican Party and a well-known senator from Nebraska.<

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the professor
exposing the mechanisms of evil


heartland USA
770 posts, Jan 2003

posted 07-15-2003 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the professor   Visit the professor's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not for the voting machines mentioned or a computerized version. Too much fraud going on. I got to see first hand last election be it was a local level fraud, but never the less someone is always going to try and cheat to win/.

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