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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 07-16-2003 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BUMP...for FART-TALKER /CYDONIAQUEST

The consequenses of Bu$h's LIES

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 07-16-2003]

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Fastwalker
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posted 07-16-2003 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was no lie in Bush's state of the Union address. It was factually accurate, just as the article says. The British intelligence (MI6, one of the best intelligence agencies on Earth) is standing by it's claim that Saddam tried to purchase Uranium from Africa...just as president Bush said. Saddam had done exactly this before. In order to be a lie, there would have to be an inaccuracy stated as fact. There is not.

Where is the lie? BUSH'S STATEMENT IS FACTUALLY ACCURATE.

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Mech
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posted 07-16-2003 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fart-talker/Cydoniaquest, you will say ANYTHING to keep Bu$h's HOUSE OF CARDS from falling.

Sorry, its goin' down...

VERY shortly in fact!

ONCE AGAIN....


CIA officials warned members of the President’s National Security Council Staff the intelligence was not good enough to make the flat statement Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa.

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(CBS) Senior administration officials tell CBS News the President’s mistaken claim that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa was included in his State of the Union address -- DESPITE OBJECTIONS from the CIA.

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BU$H'S STATEMENTS WERE LIES!!

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Fastwalker
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posted 07-16-2003 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
CIA officials warned members of the President’s National Security Council Staff the intelligence was not good enough to make the flat statement Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa.

Bush did not make the flat statement that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa.

quote:
(CBS) Senior administration officials tell CBS News the President’s mistaken claim that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa was included in his State of the Union address -- DESPITE OBJECTIONS from the CIA.

This statement is a lie. President Bush did not claim Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa. Read his words. Bush said British intelligence made this claim. British intelligence is STILL making this claim to this day. Bush’s statement was therefore, factually accurate. Where's the lie? Care to try again Mech? So far, you're striking out.

quote:
BU$H'S STATEMENTS WERE LIES!!


Which ones? So far you haven't presented any statements that were lies here.

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


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posted 07-16-2003 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah..you are just twisting the truth to suit your agenda ...as usual. Nothing new here.


MORE BU$H LIES EXPOSED.....


Nothing Left To Lie About


With BushCo reaming the nation on just about every possible front, is implosion imminent?

By Mark Morford

And the lies, the flagrant GOP bitch slappings of the American public, the maniacal jabs straight in eye of truth with the icepick of utter BS, have just reached some sort of critical mass, some sort of saturation point of absurdity and pain and ridiculousness and you just have to stand up and applaud.

Really. It's almost as if you should cheer the invidiousness, it is so spectacular, unprecedented, the tower of lies reaching the point where you, Jaded and Benumbed American Citizen, are forced to either recoil and ignore and deny, succumb and scream and laugh, or, like Bush himself, just sort of stand there, wide eyed, dumfounded, blinking hard, looking more blank and confused than ever, as the unified BushCo front begins to gloriously unravel.

This much we now know, as compiled by the CIA and the U.N. and U.S. military leaders and Bush's own teams of experts and scientists and lackeys and pretty much anyone with any sort of common sense or astute observation as yet unclouded and unmisled by the raging masturbatory pro-war gropings of, say, Fox News. A brief summary:

* Saddam was all over 9/11. Funny how U.S. intelligence never found a single connection. Funny how BushCo knowingly led the nation on to believe there was one. Funny how the only role Saddamn actually played in 9/11 was to watch it unfold on CNN and exclaim, "Holy Allah with a case of Cuban cigars, Hashim, a million dinars says BushCo uses that as an excuse to come swipe our oil and pump up Halliburton and build a Starbucks in downtown Baghdad! Prepare the escape pod!"
* Iraq was al Qaeda's bitch. See above. Fact is, U.S. intelligence found no proven link between Iraq and any recent terrorism threats against the U.S. Fact is, bin Laden hated Saddam and denounced his socialist Baath party as "infidels.". Fact is, BushCo worked extremely hard to manipulate the media to make you think the two were so close they might as well have been gay lovers. Curiously, this sinister obfuscation is still not clear to millions of Americans most of whom tend to live in Texas and/or anywhere near major military manufacturing plants. Go figure.
* Those 9/11 terrorists? Buncha snarling Iraqis. Well, no. Most were, in fact, Saudi. There were no Iraqis at all. Saudi Arabia remains a desperately important American ally, one that provides billions in U.S. investment and hence BushCo loves them and kisses their rings and doesn't say a peep about the millions they also give to terrorist cells -- like, say, those of al Qaeda -- to protect their oil fields. Shhh.
* Saddam has millions of drumfuls of scary chemicals ready at a moment's notice to poison the entire world and most of EuroDisney. Not even close. Huge chunks of "proof" of Iraq's purported chemical-weapons and nuclear-weapons programs have already been dismissed by U.N. inspectors and weapons experts. Saddam did, however, possess large quantities of bootlegged Britney Spears posters, which, if dropped on Israel, would have certainly caused pandemonium if not outright giggling and many heavy longing sighs.
* Saddam scored uranium from Niger to make nukes. This is so cutely wrong it's painful. The document stating this was forged and bogus and BushCo knew it and referenced it anyway in the State of the Union address to help justify the war, and now he's all flustered and denying everything and the CIA director is bumbling in as the fall guy, and oh my freaking God do they ever think you are stupid.
* The war on Iraq will be as easy as lancing a boil on Dick Cheney's forehead. Yes! Instant and painless and easy it will be, and it will inflict minimal casualties and we'd be all done in a week and America will be back home and happily watching "The Bachelorette" and the world would love us and see how glorious and righteous we are and everyone will convert to Christianity and join Promise Keepers and the 700 Club and never have sex and we will ban all icky gay people to Canada. Whee!

Or not. Never you mind that thousands of soldiers are to be stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq "indefinitely," for years to come. Or that more than half of the U.S. Army's entire combat force is bogged down in Iraq right now. Or that U.S. soldiers are still dying in Iraq every day, more than 80 so far (33 in hostile fire), with more to come, endless guerrilla warfare possibly requiring even more U.S. troops, months after BushCo declared the war essentially over. Whoops. Gosh. Sorry.
* The Jessica Lynch "rescue" was all-American heroism at its finest. So cute. The "rescue" was actually all-American Pentagon PR bulls** at its finest, a rather embarrassingly staged hoax so full of overblown stunts and dumb machismo and awkward twists that not even Fox News would touch the story after a while, and they'll run anything. No wonder the Pentagon has refused to release the unedited video footage of the "rescue."

* Iraq's oil money will go straight to "liberated" Iraqi people. Seriously now. Did anyone really ever believe this, even in their most drunken and heavily Xanaxed state? The money, of course, is going straight into U.S. and U.K. coffers as "payment" for the Gulf War, with only a fraction going for "rebuilding." But the bottom line is, we control the oil. We control Iraq's billions. We do not care who knows it. Special note from Donny "Beady Eyes" Rumsfeld to all you people who somehow genuinely believed we bombed Iraq for the betterment of the Iraqi people: Tthhppbbbhhhppbb.
* Oh my God look just look at all those scary WMDs. There are no WMDs. There are no WMDs. There are no WMDs. And there never were. Two little words from BushCo, straight to you: Ha-ha, suckers.

The list goes on. This list is nearly endless. The list is growing and expanding and now threatens to split and explode and spread like some sort of giant viscous blob and invade small towns and kill plants and induce women to slap their hands to their faces and scream while it slowly steamrolls innocent children as they innocently stand there in the street playing innocent Frisbee, innocently.

And there are others. There are flagrant lies and cover-ups and misprisions not even related to the war, more about increasingly nauseating domestic issues, major budget crises and unabashed pro-corporate decisions and anti-gay anti-women anti-sex fun for the whole terrified white Christian family.

There is, for example, the recent hacking to death of the EPA's major greenhouse-gas/air-quality study. There was the (failed) attempt to kill the Bureau of Labor Statistics report that tracked factory closings in the U.S. There is the secret $135 mil in budget moneys set aside to cram invidious sexless Christian "abstinence only until marriage" programs down the throats of jaded American teens and desperate budget-reamed schools.

There was, as Slate so effortlessly delineates, the regular and rather sneering deep-sixing of serious economic data and fiscal forecasting -- much of it generated by Bush's own teams -- because it didn't match the GOP's makeshift rosy scenarios.

There is massive unemployment. There is the largest budget deficit in history, now a staggering $455 billion, over $50 billion more than the administration predicted just five months ago.

There are state and local governments broke to the point of having to cut back essential services like police and fire departments, hospitals, public schools, road maintenance and sewers. There is Lynne Cheney. 'Nuff said.

There appears to be no end. There appears to be a limitless supply of lies and half-truths and misinformations BushCo can invent on the spot, and is now a good time to recall how Clinton was savaged and vilified and attacked and nearly impeached because he lied about having big dumb sex with a rather unappealing intern?

And yet here is BushCo, openly and shamelessly lying about leading this nation into a vile and petroleum-drunk war, massacring tens of thousands, killing hundreds of U.S. soldiers (and counting), gutting the budget, favoring the rich with useless tax cuts, hiding and prevaricating and dodging and treated the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution the way a crusty abusive Catholic priest treats an altar boy.

This is where you have to laugh. This is where you applaud. Stand up and cheer, for it has been a masterful performance, a rather unprecedented series of major cover-ups and well-orchestrated PR maneuvers and outright fabrications unmatched in recent history. Hell, the epic scale of BushCo's atrocities make Clinton's little oral-sex fixation seem like a jaywalking violation.

Is now the time? Is this is where we start to notice how it is all coming unraveled, Bush's snide web of lies just too flagrant and too insulting for too long, CIA directors and intelligence experts and military leaders and scientists and the like all coming forward now to refute any number of false BushCo claims, the chinks in the armor now becoming cracks and fissures and flubs and stumbles and ultimate raging implosions?

Is this why impeachment proceedings have yet to begin in earnest against BushCo? Because we're just too stunned, too frozen in disbelief at the mounting mountains of evidence that we have been duped and misled and lied to on a scale we can't really begin to assimilate? Could very well be.

Because the tower of lies, oh how it teeters, how it quivers, how it feels oh so ready to fall.
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posted 07-16-2003 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Read about Iraq’s confirmed Al-Qaeda connection here;
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/628wqxma.asp

Mech, produce for me Bush’s actual 16 words that you are calling a lie. If anything, they were incredibly accurate.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/16/123325
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/15/143526
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/news/2003/jul/14/071401500.html

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 07-16-2003 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From NEWSMAX? Oh come on!


I see NO Saddam CONNECTION to Al Qaida (CIA ASSET).

The CIA was responsible for building up Al Qaida/Mujahadeen.in the late 70's early 80's.


Iraq was not a threat to the U.S., plain and simple.. now many young men and women are DEAD thanks to Bu$h's LIES...more to come.

Quotable:"This is where you have to laugh. This is where you applaud. Stand up and cheer, for it has been a masterful performance, a rather unprecedented series of major cover-ups and well-orchestrated PR maneuvers and outright fabrications unmatched in recent history. Hell, the epic scale of BushCo's atrocities make Clinton's little oral-sex fixation seem like a jaywalking violation."

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Before you move on to more false accusations, Mech, let's address your original false accusation….that is ironically perfectly in sync with the current liberal Democrat demonization campaign as ALL of your arguments always are. Again, show me the words in the President's state of the union address where you say he is lying. Address these comments first. Let's resolve it, and THEN you can move onto other issues. As we see, your policy is always diversion, spam and changing the subject when confronted with truth and trapped with a lie you cannot defend. Here were those comments again. Please address these first before you attempt distraction with other lies;


quote:
CIA officials warned members of the President’s National Security Council Staff the intelligence was not good enough to make the flat statement Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa.

Bush did not make the flat statement that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa.

quote:
(CBS) Senior administration officials tell CBS News the President’s mistaken claim that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa was included in his State of the Union address -- DESPITE OBJECTIONS from the CIA.

This statement is a lie. President Bush did not claim Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa. Read his words. Bush said British intelligence made this claim. British intelligence is STILL making this claim to this day. Bush’s statement was therefore, factually accurate. Where's the lie? Care to try again Mech? So far, you're striking out.

quote:
BU$H'S STATEMENTS WERE LIES!!


Which ones? So far you haven't presented any statements that were lies here.

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shatoga
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588 posts, Nov 2002

posted 07-16-2003 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Point made that diverting the topic serves the RNC.
OK FW.
Job done as usual.

If Clinton had lied in his SOTU speech and then sent Americans to die overseas based on British Intelligence' lies and manipulation.

Would you support such a stupid President?

Why not just disband the CIA and DIA and NSA
and the other 86 intelligence agencies?

If MI-6 is the ultimate authority,
why spend tax money on all these American fools who disagree with the MI-6 fradulent claims?

Why support anyone so stupid as to squander American lives because his British masters have tricked him into invading a sovereign nation for no valid reason?

Yes..all that BS about dictators and genocide aside.
W's logic in that regard would have had US invading Russia in the 1960's and Communist China, Laos, Indonesia, Phillipines, Peru, and many other long before bothering with fleabite Iraq.
Remember it was the so called left, who asked,
"why not invade North Korea?
(instead of Iraq)
"They've admitted to having a nuclear missile program."

If it's wrong...
it's wrong!

No matter what letter is next to the name of the corrupt politician.

Members are being kicked out of FRee Republic because they say/post:
(the truth)
wrong if Bush does it, just like it would be wrong if Clinton did it.

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posted 07-16-2003 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

If Clinton had lied in his SOTU speech and then sent Americans to die overseas based on British Intelligence' lies and manipulation.

Authorization for use of force was given by congress many months before the State of the Union speech was made. UN resolution 1441 was months before the speech as well, promising severe consequences if Iraq did not comply with WMD disclosures. The justifications for war were already met. The point is, we did not go to war on the basis of these comments in the State of the Union address. This is the obvious lie liberal Democrats are currently trying to propagate. You insinuate the same lie here. This was just a supplemental comment to a speech, and it was a factual comment. The British do have intelligence that Iraq was attempting to purchase Uranium from Africa. This is still true. This is the way Bush phrased and intended the comment. Read the transcript. Bush did not lie because the statement was absolutely factual. You would have to have a non-factual statement in order for their to be a lie. Bush was not even trying to deceive anyone that this information came from American intelligence. He specifically said it came from British intelligence….which it did….

And yes, we need to rely on the intelligence agencies of other countries. MI6 is one of the best in the world. The reason for this is due to the fact that Clinton gutted our own intelligence agencies, which created the vulnerability that paved the way for 9/11.

quote:
Would you support such a stupid President?

No....and thank God we don't have a stupid president like Clinton anymore. But I would support an extremely intelligent, moral and ethical president like GW Bush who did not lie in any way.

quote:
Why not just disband the CIA and DIA and NSA
and the other 86 intelligence agencies?

Because this would be idiotic. The best solution is to fix what we have and fix the damage Clinton caused. Bush has been working on this since his election.

quote:
If MI-6 is the ultimate authority,
why spend tax money on all these American fools who disagree with the MI-6 fradulent claims?

Who said MI-6 was the ultimate authority? Only you seem to be making this fraudulent claim. Their intelligence was not used as a basis for war. In fact, it was irrelevant.

quote:
Why support anyone so stupid as to squander American lives because his British masters have tricked him into invading a sovereign nation for no valid reason?

Nobody did this...proving that you are the liar here. This is an absolutely false accusation. The uranium comments were not the justification the Bush administration used for war. Lives were not squandered on this basis. This is an absolutely false and idiotic accusation.

quote:
Yes..all that BS about dictators and genocide aside.

The fact that you consider it BS is evidence as to how divorced you are from reality. Saddam killed close to 3 million people. Genocide in Iraq was a REALITY under the control of the Saddam regime. It was not BS.

quote:
W's logic in that regard would have had US invading Russia in the 1960's and Communist China, Laos, Indonesia, Phillipines, Peru, and many other long before bothering with fleabite Iraq.

If they posed an imminent nuclear terrorist threat, then this would have been justified and would have solved alot of future problems.

quote:
Remember it was the so called left, who asked,
"why not invade North Korea?
(instead of Iraq)
"They've admitted to having a nuclear missile program."

They asked this when we were in the middle of the Iraq war, you dunce. It was simply a ploy to discredit the president. Now, when the Iraq war is over and the N. Koreans are stating that they are manufacturing nukes, the left wants to ignore N. Korea and focus on a country of absolutely no US interest, consequence or threat called Liberia. The left is full of hot air and bullshit. If this doesn't illustrate the fact of their utter hypocrisy, I don't know what does. The only reason they talked about N. Korea during our involvement in Iraq, when they KNEW we were occupied at the moment, was to undermine the President and the current operation in Iraq. Now, that the regime in Iraq is defeated, Bush can focus on N. Korea. It is seriously doubtful the left will be on board for that now. They were bluffing. Bush, on the other hand, doesn't bluff. Kinda puts the left on the horns of a dilemma, doesn't it?

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posted 07-17-2003 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fw shoves his nose up Bush's backside even more deeply.

Pot Pol killed nobody?
Stalin killed nobody?
Mao killed nobody.
Milosovic killed nobody?


Dubya's bogus reasons to invade Iraq would be valid if
and only if,
the USA had saved the millions murdered by all these other dictators,

while the USA stood by silently and let it happen.

All moral grounds for invading Iraq is a lie.

RightwingNuts opposed Clinton's UN sanctioned attempts to end the genocide
by Slobodan milosovic.

RightWingNuts opposed Clinton's attempts to kill Osama Bin Ladin with cruise missiles.

The WMD biogenetics lab was labeled an "aspirin factory" by Bin Laden loving RightWingNuts.

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