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Mech
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20 Lies About the War
www.independent.uk


Falsehoods ranging from exaggeration to plain untruth were used to make the case for war. More lies are being used in the aftermath. By Glen Rangwala and Raymond Whitaker

13 July 2003

1 Iraq was responsible for the 11 September attacks

A supposed meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, leader of the 11 September hijackers, and an Iraqi intelligence official was the main basis for this claim, but Czech intelligence later conceded that the Iraqi's contact could not have been Atta. This did not stop the constant stream of assertions that Iraq was involved in 9/11, which was so successful that at one stage opinion polls showed that two-thirds of Americans believed the hand of Saddam Hussein was behind the attacks. Almost as many believed Iraqi hijackers were aboard the crashed airliners; in fact there were none.

2 Iraq and al-Qa'ida were working together

Persistent claims by US and British leaders that Saddam and Osama bin Laden were in league with each other were contradicted by a leaked British Defence Intelligence Staff report, which said there were no current links between them. Mr Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq", it added.

Another strand to the claims was that al-Qa'ida members were being sheltered in Iraq, and had set up a poisons training camp. When US troops reached the camp, they found no chemical or biological traces.

3 Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa for a "reconstituted" nuclear weapons programme

The head of the CIA has now admitted that documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to import uranium from Niger in west Africa were forged, and that the claim should never have been in President Bush's State of the Union address. Britain sticks by the claim, insisting it has "separate intelligence". The Foreign Office conceded last week that this information is now "under review".

4 Iraq was trying to import aluminium tubes to develop nuclear weapons

The US persistently alleged that Baghdad tried to buy high-strength aluminum tubes whose only use could be in gas centrifuges, needed to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons. Equally persistently, the International Atomic Energy Agency said the tubes were being used for artillery rockets. The head of the IAEA, Mohamed El Baradei, told the UN Security Council in January that the tubes were not even suitable for centrifuges.

5 Iraq still had vast stocks of chemical and biological weapons from the first Gulf War

Iraq possessed enough dangerous substances to kill the whole world, it was alleged more than once. It had pilotless aircraft which could be smuggled into the US and used to spray chemical and biological toxins. Experts pointed out that apart from mustard gas, Iraq never had the technology to produce materials with a shelf-life of 12 years, the time between the two wars. All such agents would have deteriorated to the point of uselessness years ago.

6 Iraq retained up to 20 missiles which could carry chemical or biological warheads, with a range which would threaten British forces in Cyprus

Apart from the fact that there has been no sign of these missiles since the invasion, Britain downplayed the risk of there being any such weapons in Iraq once the fighting began. It was also revealed that chemical protection equipment was removed from British bases in Cyprus last year, indicating that the Government did not take its own claims seriously.

7 Saddam Hussein had the wherewithal to develop smallpox

This allegation was made by the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, in his address to the UN Security Council in February. The following month the UN said there was nothing to support it.

8 US and British claims were supported by the inspectors

According to Jack Straw, chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix "pointed out" that Iraq had 10,000 litres of anthrax. Tony Blair said Iraq's chemical, biological and "indeed the nuclear weapons programme" had been well documented by the UN. Mr Blix's reply? "This is not the same as saying there are weapons of mass destruction," he said last September. "If I had solid evidence that Iraq retained weapons of mass destruction or were constructing such weapons, I would take it to the Security Council." In May this year he added: "I am obviously very interested in the question of whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction, and I am beginning to suspect there possibly were not."

9 Previous weapons inspections had failed

Tony Blair told this newspaper in March that the UN had "tried unsuccessfully for 12 years to get Saddam to disarm peacefully". But in 1999 a Security Council panel concluded: "Although important elements still have to be resolved, the bulk of Iraq's proscribed weapons programmes has been eliminated." Mr Blair also claimed UN inspectors "found no trace at all of Saddam's offensive biological weapons programme" until his son-in-law defected. In fact the UN got the regime to admit to its biological weapons programme more than a month before the defection.

10 Iraq was obstructing the inspectors

Britain's February "dodgy dossier" claimed inspectors' escorts were "trained to start long arguments" with other Iraqi officials while evidence was being hidden, and inspectors' journeys were monitored and notified ahead to remove surprise. Dr Blix said in February that the UN had conducted more than 400 inspections, all without notice, covering more than 300 sites. "We note that access to sites has so far been without problems," he said. : "In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew that the inspectors were coming."

11 Iraq could deploy its weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes

This now-notorious claim was based on a single source, said to be a serving Iraqi military officer. This individual has not been produced since the war, but in any case Tony Blair contradicted the claim in April. He said Iraq had begun to conceal its weapons in May 2002, which meant that they could not have been used within 45 minutes.

12 The "dodgy dossier"

Mr Blair told the Commons in February, when the dossier was issued: "We issued further intelligence over the weekend about the infrastructure of concealment. It is obviously difficult when we publish intelligence reports." It soon emerged that most of it was cribbed without attribution from three articles on the internet. Last month Alastair Campbell took responsibility for the plagiarism committed by his staff, but stood by the dossier's accuracy, even though it confused two Iraqi intelligence organisations, and said one moved to new headquarters in 1990, two years before it was created.

13 War would be easy

Public fears of war in the US and Britain were assuaged by assurances that oppressed Iraqis would welcome the invading forces; that "demolishing Saddam Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk", in the words of Kenneth Adelman, a senior Pentagon official in two previous Republican administrations. Resistance was patchy, but stiffer than expected, mainly from irregular forces fighting in civilian clothes. "This wasn't the enemy we war-gamed against," one general complained.

14 Umm Qasr

The fall of Iraq's southernmost city and only port was announced several times before Anglo-American forces gained full control - by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, among others, and by Admiral Michael Boyce, chief of Britain's defence staff. "Umm Qasr has been overwhelmed by the US Marines and is now in coalition hands," the Admiral announced, somewhat prematurely.

15 Basra rebellion

Claims that the Shia Muslim population of Basra, Iraq's second city, had risen against their oppressors were repeated for days, long after it became clear to those there that this was little more than wishful thinking. The defeat of a supposed breakout by Iraqi armour was also announced by military spokesman in no position to know the truth.

16 The "rescue" of Private Jessica Lynch

Private Jessica Lynch's "rescue" from a hospital in Nasiriya by American special forces was presented as the major "feel-good" story of the war. She was said to have fired back at Iraqi troops until her ammunition ran out, and was taken to hospital suffering bullet and stab wounds. It has since emerged that all her injuries were sustained in a vehicle crash, which left her incapable of firing any shot. Local medical staff had tried to return her to the Americans after Iraqi forces pulled out of the hospital, but the doctors had to turn back when US troops opened fire on them. The special forces encountered no resistance, but made sure the whole episode was filmed.

17 Troops would face chemical and biological weapons

As US forces approached Baghdad, there was a rash of reports that they would cross a "red line", within which Republican Guard units were authorised to use chemical weapons. But Lieutenant General James Conway, the leading US marine general in Iraq, conceded afterwards that intelligence reports that chemical weapons had been deployed around Baghdad before the war were wrong.

"It was a surprise to me ... that we have not uncovered weapons ... in some of the forward dispersal sites," he said. "We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there. We were simply wrong. Whether or not we're wrong at the national level, I think still very much remains to be seen."

18 Interrogation of scientists would yield the location of WMD

"I have got absolutely no doubt that those weapons are there ... once we have the co-operation of the scientists and the experts, I have got no doubt that we will find them," Tony Blair said in April. Numerous similar assurances were issued by other leading figures, who said interrogations would provide the WMD discoveries that searches had failed to supply. But almost all Iraq's leading scientists are in custody, and claims that lingering fears of Saddam Hussein are stilling their tongues are beginning to wear thin.

19 Iraq's oil money would go to Iraqis

Tony Blair complained in Parliament that "people falsely claim that we want to seize" Iraq's oil revenues, adding that they should be put in a trust fund for the Iraqi people administered through the UN. Britain should seek a Security Council resolution that would affirm "the use of all oil revenues for the benefit of the Iraqi people".

Instead Britain co-sponsored a Security Council resolution that gave the US and UK control over Iraq's oil revenues. There is no UN-administered trust fund.

Far from "all oil revenues" being used for the Iraqi people, the resolution continues to make deductions from Iraq's oil earnings to pay in compensation for the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

20 WMD were found

After repeated false sightings, both Tony Blair and George Bush proclaimed on 30 May that two trailers found in Iraq were mobile biological laboratories. "We have already found two trailers, both of which we believe were used for the production of biological weapons," said Mr Blair. Mr Bush went further: "Those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons - they're wrong. We found them." It is now almost certain that the vehicles were for the production of hydrogen for weather balloons, just as the Iraqis claimed - and that they were exported by Britain.

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More cut and paste waste.

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More Cut and paste drivel. This is getting psychotic.....(if it hasn't already gotten there)

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Nothing Left To Lie About
With BushCo reaming the nation on just about every possible front, is
implosion imminent?

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, July 16, 2003


And the lies, the flagrant GOP bitch slappings of the American public, the
maniacal jabs straight in eye of truth with the icepick of utter BS, have just
reached some sort of critical mass, some sort of saturation point of absurdity
and pain and ridiculousness and you just have to stand up and applaud.

Really. It's almost as if you should cheer the invidiousness, it is so
spectacular, unprecedented, the tower of lies reaching the point where you, Jaded
and Benumbed American Citizen, are forced to either recoil and ignore and deny,
succumb and scream and laugh, or, like Bush himself, just sort of stand there,
wide eyed, dumfounded, blinking hard, looking more blank and confused than
ever, as the unified BushCo front begins to gloriously unravel.

This much we now know, as compiled by the CIA and the U.N. and U.S. military
leaders and Bush's own teams of experts and scientists and lackeys and pretty
much anyone with any sort of common sense or astute observation as yet
unclouded and unmisled by the raging masturbatory pro-war gropings of, say, Fox News.
A brief summary:

Saddam was all over 9/11. Funny how U.S. intelligence never found a single
connection. Funny how BushCo knowingly led the nation on to believe there was
one. Funny how the only role Saddamn actually played in 9/11 was to watch it
unfold on CNN and exclaim, "Holy Allah with a case of Cuban cigars, Hashim, a
million dinars says BushCo uses that as an excuse to come swipe our oil and pump
up Halliburton and build a Starbucks in downtown Baghdad! Prepare the escape
pod!"

Iraq was al Qaeda's bitch. See above. Fact is, U.S. intelligence found no
proven link between Iraq and any recent terrorism threats against the U.S. Fact
is, bin Laden hated Saddam and denounced his socialist Baath party as
"infidels."
. Fact is, BushCo worked extremely hard to manipulate the media to make you
think the two were so close they might as well have been gay lovers.
Curiously, this sinister obfuscation is still not clear to millions of Americans most
of whom tend to live in Texas and/or anywhere near major military manufacturing
plants. Go figure.

Those 9/11 terrorists? Buncha snarling Iraqis. Well, no. Most were, in fact,
Saudi. There were no Iraqis at all. Saudi Arabia remains a desperately
important American ally, one that provides billions in U.S. investment and hence
BushCo loves them and kisses their rings and doesn't say a peep about the millions
they also give to terrorist cells -- like, say, those of al Qaeda -- to
protect their oil fields. Shhh.

Saddam has millions of drumfuls of scary chemicals ready at a moment's notice
to poison the entire world and most of EuroDisney. Not even close. Huge
chunks of "proof" of Iraq's purported chemical-weapons and nuclear-weapons programs
have already been dismissed by U.N. inspectors and weapons experts. Saddam
did, however, possess large quantities of bootlegged Britney Spears posters,
which, if dropped on Israel, would have certainly caused pandemonium if not
outright giggling and many heavy longing sighs.

Saddam scored uranium from Niger to make nukes. This is so cutely wrong it's
painful. The document stating this was forged and bogus and BushCo knew it and
referenced it anyway in the State of the Union address to help justify the
war, and now he's all flustered and denying everything and the CIA director is
bumbling in as the fall guy, and oh my freaking God do they ever think you are
stupid.

The war on Iraq will be as easy as lancing a boil on Dick Cheney's forehead.
Yes! Instant and painless and easy it will be, and it will inflict minimal
casualties and we'd be all done in a week and America will be back home and
happily watching "The Bachelorette" and the world would love us and see how
glorious and righteous we are and everyone will convert to Christianity and join
Promise Keepers and the 700 Club and never have sex and we will ban all icky gay
people to Canada. Whee!

Or not. Never you mind that thousands of soldiers are to be stationed in
Afghanistan and Iraq "indefinitely," for years to come. Or that more than half of
the U.S. Army's entire combat force is bogged down in Iraq right now. Or that
U.S. soldiers are still dying in Iraq every day, more than 80 so far (33 in
hostile fire), with more to come, endless guerrilla warfare possibly requiring
even more U.S. troops, months after BushCo declared the war essentially over.
Whoops. Gosh. Sorry.


The Jessica Lynch "rescue" was all-American heroism at its finest. So cute.
The "rescue" was actually all-American Pentagon PR bulls** at its finest, a
rather embarrassingly staged hoax so full of overblown stunts and dumb machismo
and awkward twists that not even Fox News would touch the story after a while,
and they'll run anything. No wonder the Pentagon has refused to release the
unedited video footage of the "rescue."


Iraq's oil money will go straight to "liberated" Iraqi people. Seriously now.
Did anyone really ever believe this, even in their most drunken and heavily
Xanaxed state? The money, of course, is going straight into U.S. and U.K.
coffers as "payment" for the Gulf War, with only a fraction going for "rebuilding."
But the bottom line is, we control the oil. We control Iraq's billions. We do
not care who knows it. Special note from Donny "Beady Eyes" Rumsfeld to all
you people who somehow genuinely believed we bombed Iraq for the betterment of
the Iraqi people: Tthhppbbbhhhppbb.

Oh my God look just look at all those scary WMDs. There are no WMDs. There
are no WMDs. There are no WMDs. And there never were. Two little words from
BushCo, straight to you: Ha-ha, suckers. The list goes on. This list is nearly
endless. The list is growing and expanding and now threatens to split and explode
and spread like some sort of giant viscous blob and invade small towns and
kill plants and induce women to slap their hands to their faces and scream while
it slowly steamrolls innocent children as they innocently stand there in the
street playing innocent Frisbee, innocently.

And there are others. There are flagrant lies and cover-ups and misprisions
not even related to the war, more about increasingly nauseating domestic
issues, major budget crises and unabashed pro-corporate decisions and anti-gay
anti-women anti-sex fun for the whole terrified white Christian family.

There is, for example, the recent hacking to death of the EPA's major
greenhouse-gas/air-quality study. There was the (failed) attempt to kill the Bureau
of Labor Statistics report that tracked factory closings in the U.S.
There is
the secret $135 mil in budget moneys set aside to cram invidious sexless
Christian "abstinence only until marriage" programs down the throats of jaded
American teens and desperate budget-reamed schools.

There was, as Slate so effortlessly delineates, the regular and rather
sneering deep-sixing of serious economic data and fiscal forecasting -- much of it
generated by Bush's own teams -- because it didn't match the GOP's makeshift
rosy scenarios.

There is massive unemployment. There is the largest budget deficit in
history, now a staggering $455 billion, over $50 billion more than the administration
predicted just five months ago.

There are state and local governments broke to the point of having to cut
back essential services like police and fire departments, hospitals, public
schools, road maintenance and sewers. There is Lynne Cheney. 'Nuff said.

There appears to be no end. There appears to be a limitless supply of lies
and half-truths and misinformations BushCo can invent on the spot, and is now a
good time to recall how Clinton was savaged and vilified and attacked and
impeached because he lied about having big dumb sex with a rather unappealing
intern?

And yet here is BushCo, openly and shamelessly lying about leading this
nation into a vile and petroleum-drunk war, massacring tens of thousands, killing
hundreds of U.S. soldiers (and counting), gutting the budget, favoring the rich
with useless tax cuts, hiding and prevaricating and dodging and treated the
First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution the way a
crusty abusive Catholic priest treats an altar boy.

This is where you have to laugh. This is where you applaud. Stand up and
cheer, for it has been a masterful performance, a rather unprecedented series of
major cover-ups and well-orchestrated PR maneuvers and outright fabrications
unmatched in recent history. Hell, the epic scale of BushCo's atrocities make
Clinton's little oral-sex fixation seem like a jaywalking violation.

Is now the time? Is this is where we start to notice how it is all coming
unraveled, Bush's snide web of lies just too flagrant and too insulting for too
long, CIA directors and intelligence experts and military leaders and
scientists and the like all coming forward now to refute any number of false BushCo
claims, the chinks in the armor now becoming cracks and fissures and flubs and
stumbles and ultimate raging implosions?

Is this why impeachment proceedings have yet to begin in earnest against
BushCo? Because we're just too stunned, too frozen in disbelief at the mounting
mountains of evidence that we have been duped and misled and lied to on a scale
we can't really begin to assimilate? Could very well be.

Because the tower of lies, oh how it teeters, how it quivers, how it feels oh
so ready to fall.

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More Cut and paste drivel. This is getting psychotic.....(if it hasn't already gotten there)

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Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:41 p.m. EDT
Pentagon Bombshell: U.S. Uncovers WMD Document 'Mother Lode'

The Pentagon's chief weapons inspector, David Kay, has uncovered what is being described as a "mother lode" of documents in Iraq detailing Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program.

"I've already seen enough to convince me," said Kay, former U.N. chief nuclear weapons inspector, in an interview aired Tuesday with "NBC Nightly News" anchorman Tom Brokaw.

"We're finding progress reports. [Iraqi scientists] also got financial rewards from Saddam Hussein by breakthroughs, indicating breakthroughs. They actually took – went to Saddam and said, 'We have made this progress,'" the top WMD prober explained. "There are records, there are audiotapes of those interviews which give us that."

"According to Kay, the Iraqis seem to [have kept] documents on even the most damning evidence," said Brokaw.

In assessing the scope of Kay's find, the NBC newsman proclaimed, "This is a mother lode, an estimated seven and a half miles of documents, many of them collected by U.S. military from [Iraq's] official buildings, but many others handed over by Iraqi civilians."

Iraq's WMD files are currently undergoing a painstaking analysis, said Brokaw, who explained, "Many of them [are] handwritten, have to be scanned into a computer in this small, highly secure facility."

Working with Arabic translators, U.S. weapons experts look for certain clues, including personnel records, foreign purchases and lab results.

The Pentagon's chief weapons prober said he didn't want to go public with details of his find until the case is an indisputable lock. "I know if we can't explain the WMD program of Iraq we lose credibility with regard to other states like Iran, Syria and North Korea," he told NBC.

How long will it take before President Bush is able to reveal what could be smoking-gun justification of his decision to make war on Iraq?

"I think we will have a substantial body of evidence before six months," Kay told NBC.

Brokaw ended his report on Kay's find with a clip of Tuesday's comment by Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., a move the newsman apparently intended as a reminder to Democrats who continue to carp about the lack of WMD evidence that they're liable to be humiliated when the full story is known.

"It's a disgrace that the case for war seems to have been based on shoddy intelligence, hyped intelligence, and even false intelligence," Kennedy complained.

Meanwhile, back in Baghdad, Kay continues to pour over his treasure trove of WMD documents.

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hahahahahah, best laugh I have had all day, who is getting desperate now.

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You are apparently.

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Yeah eggs...kind of like those FORGED documents they found.

Lies...lies..and more lies.

That's all the Bu$h administrtion knows how to do.

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You still have yet to provide ONE single example of where Bush lied about anything Mech. Still haven't done it. I guess that makes you the liar, doesn't it.

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From yesterday's newsletter at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews2
No matter what mountain of evidence there is, IDIOT PROPAGANDISTS like Fartknocker Kneel to their king. Wish I had his paycheck for his LIES! If he's doing this for FREE he's a bigger FOOL than I thought. SUCK that PROPAGANDA Fartknocker!!


Bush Obstructs 9-11 Investigation http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=447


Cycle Of War Culture http://www.rense.com/general39/cycle.htm

How To Deal With a Meltdown http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/iraq-meltdown.html
The great lesson of the fiasco in Iraq is this: it is much easier to destroy a nation than to build one. To destroy a country requires doing things that government does well: blowing up buildings, killing people, and generally creating chaos. To build a nation requires what government cannot provide: time and liberty. Unable to provide those things, government chooses another of its ancient methods: the lie. In the middle ages, kings didn't smash countries they conquered because to conquer meant to take possession for themselves and their heirs, and hence there was an incentive to preserve anything of value (buildings, people, and networks of associations). But modern governments that conquer merely become "administrators" of the country, which is to say they have every incentive to take what they can and no incentive to clean up the mess.


Iraq war has cost Pentagon $48 billion so far http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/15/national1702EDT0679.DTL

GI's Wonder 'Why Can't We Come Home?' http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=106&ncid=742&e=3&u=/nypost/20030716/cm_nypost/giswhycantwecomehome

US Death Toll Now Equals '91 Gulf War http://www.rense.com/general39/usdeath.htm

US Troops In Iraq - 'Let Down' And 'Losing Faith' http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/iraq030716_2ndBrigade.html

US Troops Shocked By Move To Keep Them In Iraq http://www.rense.com/general39/shoclked.htm

Key US Army Division To Remain In Iraq Indefinitely http://www.rense.com/general39/remain.htm

Attacks On US Troops More Sophisticated, Coordinated http://www.rense.com/general39/coor.htm

FBI Looking Into Forged Iraq-Niger Documents http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/16/fbi.niger/index.html

Wolfowitz Advised Iraq-Uranium Refernece In Bush Speech http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4123.htm

US General Says Iraq Has Become A Guerrilla War http://www.rense.com/general39/geur.htm

Missile Fired At US C-130 Landing In Baghdad http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_AIRPORT_ATTACK?SITE=MELEE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Rape (And Silence About It) Haunts Baghdad http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/16/international/worldspecial/16RAPE.html?ex=1058932800&en=86243e51010a04ec&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

16 Words And Counting
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/15/nyt.16words/index.html

Desert treks become even more deadly http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/7_17_03border.html

Cheney under pressure to quit over false war evidence
Anger grows on both sides of Atlantic at misleading claims on eve of Iraq conflict http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=424786

Mortar Attacks on U.S. Bases Growing
Mortar Attacks on U.S. Bases in Iraq Becoming a Growing Problem for Troops http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030716_142.html

Low Morale Plagues U.S. Troops in Iraq
Low Morale Plagues U.S. Troops in Iraq After Pentagon Extends Their Stay http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030716_1607.html

A Big Letdown
Soldiers Learn They’ll Be in Baghdad Longer Than Expected http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/iraq030715_2ndBrigade.html

Pro-American Mayor, Son Killed in Iraq
U.S. Soldier, Iraqi Child, Pro-American Mayor and Son Killed in Iraq As Saddam Loyalists Attack http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030716_1075.html

Revisionist Iraq history from the White House http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/auto/epaper/editions/thursday/opinion_f351dc6c85f4a0d000d7.html


Missile fired at US plane in Iraq
Suspected pro-Saddam Hussein insurgents fired a surface-to-air missile at a US military C-130 transport plane as it was landing at Baghdad International Airport today, but missed the target, a coalition military spokesman said http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6765434%5E401,00.html

Pro-US mayor killed by Iraqi guerrillas
The mayor of Hadithah, Mohammed Nayil al-Jurayfi, was shot dead in his car as he drove through the city. Some local residents had accused him of collaborating with coalition forces, the pan-Arab satellite channel, al-Jazeera, reported. His son was killed in the same attack. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999271,00.html

US soldiers: We want to come home
Fed up with being in Iraq and demoralized by their role as peacekeepers in a risky place, a group of U.S. soldiers aired their plight on U.S. television on Wednesday and said they had lost faith in the Army.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64236-2003Jul16.html

Iraq pressure on Bush mounts as U.S. soldier killed
The latest death heaped pressure on U.S President Bush, who is facing mounting criticism for the cost of the war and accusations the United States exaggerated intelligence on Iraq's weapons to justify the conflict. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3101740

Little progress in finding MIA in Iraq
A secret Pentagon report states that once-promising leads in the hunt for Capt. Michael Scott Speicher in Iraq have turned up no evidence of his whereabouts, contradicting public official comments that the search was producing positive results. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030715-114916-4526r.htm

Watergate II? Domestic criticism mounts over intelligence used to justify war
"So far there is no hard evidence that President George Bush or his top aides knowingly falsified the case for war. In the absence of evidence, there has been an extraordinary amount of attention paid to marginal issues - most recently, those 16 words in Mr. Bush's state of the union speech that said, accurately, that British intelligence believed Iraq had been seeking to obtain uranium in Africa.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,999544,00.html

Panel: Iraq arms stockpile unlikely, data `fragmentary'
U.S. intelligence officials had only ''fragmentary information'' on banned weapons in Iraq before the war, and large stockpiles of such weapons probably do not exist, the bipartisan leaders of the House Intelligence Committee concluded Tuesday after a trip to Baghdad. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/6312155.htm

Australian analyst joins US push for weapons inquiry
The Australian former intelligence analyst Andrew Wilkie has been enlisted by Democrats in the United States to help campaign for a full, open inquiry into whether Washington - and, by association, Canberra - manipulated or ignored prewar intelligence on Iraq http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/16/1058035074618.html

Bush, only three days ago, speaking to reporters, said of Iraq's President, Saddam Hussein,
"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56336-2003Jul14.html?nav=hptop_tb
According to the Washington Post, Bush uttered that amazing sentence to justify the war in Iraq. The context shows that he was not speaking of any other world leader but Saddam Hussein. The truth is that Saddam had the inspectors in, the Inspectors were in and were saying that they were getting cooperation from Hussein. Saddam even offered the CIA to send in its own teams in addition to the UN inspectors already there, which Bush refused.

Cheney's Spy Network Competes with DIA and CIA
According to former Bush officials, all defense and intelligence sources, senior members of the administration created a shadow agency of Pentagon analysts staffed mainly by ideological amateurs to compete with the CIA and its military counterpart, the Defense Intelligence Agency. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

Cheney under pressure to quit
Dick Cheney, the US Vice-President and the administration's most outspoken hawk over Iraq, faced demands for his resignation last night as he was accused of using false evidence to build the case for war. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=424786

Cheney Under Pressure To Quit Over False Evidence http://www.rense.com/general39/CHENY.HTM

Yet Another Major Bush 'Misstatement' http://www.rense.com/general39/another.htm

President Bush Has More Explaining To Do http://tennessean.com/opinion/archives/03/07/35960351.shtml

Tenet's Confession May Have Sealed Bush's Fate http://www.rense.com/general39/blood.htm

An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm
"I WROTE about the Bush family in my book The World Order which came out in 1985. They'd been lackeys of the Harriman family at Union Pacific, and the Harrimans were lackeys of the Rothschilds who put up the money for Union Pacific. George Herbert Walker, who was the first President Bush's grandfather, was appointed head of Brown Brothers Harriman which handled all the Harriman investments. He did a very good job and the Bushes have been working for them ever since. They were all members of Skull and Bones at Yale. - More
"We'll get our own government and America will begin to have a history. We have no history. All we have is a history of Zionist intrigue" --Eutace Mullins (author of "Secrets of the Federal Reserve")

Bush's Data Dump http://slate.msn.com/id/2085481/

Bush - Busted Again http://www.rense.com/general39/behind.htm

Killing Africans For Profit - Bush's AIDS Offer http://www.rense.com/general39/ff.htm

THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY THAT BUSH BELONGS TO http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/BONES.HTM http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/nworder03.html http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html

Washington Times:
Letter from US diplomat is a forgery
A letter to the editor of The Washington Times, purported to be from a senior U.S. diplomat with scathing criticism of the Foreign Service for lack of loyalty to the Bush administration, was exposed yesterday as a forgery. http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030715-114911-5946r.htm

The Liberty Committee: Congressman Ron Paul addresses the U.S. House of Representatives
July 10, 2003 "Neo-conned" http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/neo-conned.htm

Bush campaign gathers big donors http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61818-2003Jul15.html
One-fourth of President Bush's mammoth reelection treasury was collected by a group of 68 friends and moguls who raised $100,000 or more in the campaign's first seven weeks, according to records released yesterday.

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There is no cogent case here Larry.

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Hypocrite Fastwalker defends the Bu$h/Blair LIES that killed thousands of people.

And he wants this murderer re-elected!

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What lies Mech? So far you haven't been able to cite one Bush lie, after me repeatedly asking you to do so.

A couple thousand people died in Iraq because Saddam Hussein killed them. You are an absolute sick joke because apparently you want Saddam back in power, while you want the man who drove him out of power and destroyed his murderous regime, impeached. You are a mental case, Moron Mech

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posted 07-20-2003 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's entirely obvious that YOU CAN'T READ!!!

SEE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD!!!!

Bu$h is a liar and a murderer...and shall soon reap what he sewed...long before the next election.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 04-08-2004]

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Where are the lies Mech? Why don't you point them out for me so we can explore each false accusation one by one.

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Are you that RETARDED that someone needs to point it out to you?

Did you take the "short bus" to school Fart-talker?

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He is that retarded, and then some.

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FW: Where are the lies Mech? Why don't you point them out for me so we can explore each false accusation one by one.


Mech: Are you that RETARDED that someone needs to point it out to you?
Did you take the "short bus" to school Fart-talker?

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Look at your self mech.. you're pathetic. Still waiting for you to fight for yourself without namecalling and flameing.. Didn't I just explain this in an earlier thread?


[Edited 1 times, lastly by ChemCaptain on 07-21-2003]

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I think there comes a time when we must genuinely look at truth outside our political biases and petty hatred, for the sake of what is right for humanity.

What is the truth?

I think we all know the truth...

The truth is that a good and decent man named GW Bush used our military in a decisive, pre-emptive way to remove a mass murderer from power. The truth is that it was a rational decision, based upon the information available at the time, and available now.

This is the bottom line. This is the world we live in now. There are monsters in this world who would kill millions who love peace and freedom. Saddam was one of those monsters.

Unless you disagree with that argument, then the bottom line was that GW Bush acted rationally on behalf of God and the survival of humanity itself, because a monster like Saddam would have not thought twice about using a nuclear weapon on a US city. To say that Saddam was not attempting to acquire this ability is to ignore historical evidence and the testimony of his top scientists such as Dr. Hamza. Bush acted rationally and in a way that was not politically beneficial to himself in order to eliminate this threat and to stabilize the most destabilizing region on Earth.

Can you imagine any other politician who would knowingly invite the baseless assaults that he is enduring now? Most politicians would take the easy path, and the easy path does not involve risking US servicemen...and enduring the profound criticism Bush is undergoing now. Clinton took the easy path...the illusion. Bush made the hard political decision. He did what was right and what needed to be done. He removed a threat to the world.

But this is only the first step. There are other threats. N. Korea and Iran are now the most imminent threats. And I guarantee you, if a lesser man is voted into office at this critical point in history because voters are so blinded by their ignorance and hatred and belief in the lies and spin of the left, then a lesser man will be elected. He most certainly, will not do what is right. He will not deal with the threats to free people of the Earth. He will not take pre-emptive action on N. Korea because this would not be politically advantageous. He will not make the hard decisions to put US soldiers in harm's way where national security interests are at stake. Murderous regimes will proliferate and a nuclear weapon will be given to a terrorist group which WILL use that weapon. Millions of Americans or any perceived enemies of fundamental Islam will die.

This is the course people like Mech are advocating because they are so blinded by their petty hatred that they do not see the truth...and the truth is, that Bush has understated the threat, if anything.

This goes beyond politics. This is the survival of free people and the prevention of a nuclear weapon going off in some city where free people still reside...all because people like Mech want to make false and unproven allegations.

Now who is the one lacking in mental capacity here? The one who is trying to eliminate the person who is trying to eliminate the capabilities of terrorists and terrorists nations...or the one who wants to keep him in office to continue this hard task?

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FASTWALKER: "Unless you disagree with that argument, then the bottom line was that GW Bush acted rationally on behalf of God ...."


You make want to throw up! That is the most assinine, satanic statement I've heard come out of your mouth yet.

If anything, Bu$h is working DIRECTLY AGAINST the divine plan and will most certainly pay for it once he leaves this world.

Sick, sick, sick..Fastwalker.

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By taking Saddam out, GW did act on behalf of God.

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Let's see if Mech can answer a question for once in his miserable, dishonest, self-delusional existence....Mech says;

quote:
If anything, Bu$h is working DIRECTLY AGAINST the divine plan and will most certainly pay for it once he leaves this world.


Ok answer me this Mech; How is getting rid of a mass murdering / torturing dictator and freeing millions of Iraqis from brutal oppresion "AGAINST the divine plan" in your opinion?

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Pretty good exchange.

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posted 04-08-2004 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Flashback

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