posted 07-28-2003 05:56 PM            

I love this state. To me this is not about petty political bias. This is a real and literal fight to take California back for the people, and it's survival...taking back California from the evil clutches of a slimy, corrupt little piss-ant named Gray Dufus who is bent on it's destruction. This is not like backing a football team or trading baseball cards. I don't vote for Republicans simply because they are Republican. I vote because the conservative philosophy is beneficial for everyone and will save the state of California from certain doom. I vote because Republicans are generally right and Democrats are generally corrupt, self-centered petty, leftist bastards. This is NOT a political game...This is for the very survival of the state. This is about doing what is right for the good of everyone, and giving power back to the people to decide their own destinies.

posted 07-29-2003 05:47 AM            

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Full of shit from head to toe.

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Yes you are, I do agree with you here.

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It's not up to conservatives to decide whats best for me or anyone else.

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This is one of hundreds of your idiotic misconceptions about conservatism. The conservative philosophy (or at least the modern version of conservatism) does not seek to decide what’s best for you or anyone else. The conservative philosophy seeks to maximize an individual’s freedom and liberty, and provide opportunity for individuals to decide what’s best for themselves and achieve their full potential.

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To feel strongly about your position doesn't make you correct.

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Yes it does. Freedom from oppression is correct. Maximizing one’s potential and opportunity is correct. Freedom to decide our own destinies with as least interference as possible is correct. My position is therefore correct.

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If the right generally makes decisions for the good of the people, I've yet to see it from this administration.

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The right doesn’t make decisions for the good of the people. The people elect the right to represent the majority view and make decisions based upon those views. The people govern through a representative Republic, and in doing so, make decisions for themselves.

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Our entire god damn country has become a giant bullseye.

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Thanks to Clinton, in a large part it was a bullseye…that‘s why 9/11 happened, because Clinton gutted the military and intelligence agencies…but it is really difficult to determine what the hell you are talking about. A strong national defense and national security, make this country LESS of a target. Strong proactive defense makes terrorism or threat from foreign enemies less likely because any attacker knows now that there are going to be huge repercussions for their actions. In fact, they could loose their country if they attack us. This is a strong deterrent, and we are less of a bulls eye.

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A worldwide target for hate because of the miserable crooks that represent us.

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If you want a crook, you’ll have to follow Clinton. He’s the guy who looted and sabotaged the White House upon his departure. He’s the guy that armed the communist Chinese with ICBMs and likely had over 70 people murdered. He’s the guy who started truly unconstitutional wars that represented no US interest, and killed thousands of Serbs in the process… all to distract from his own impeachment proceedings, over mass graves that never existed. If you want a real crook that misrepresented the American people made America the butt of a thousand jokes, you need look no further than the psychopath who got his Willey wanked, in the oval orifice.

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Never before have I seen such protest, animosity and disgust aimed at us from all over the world.

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Fuque the world then….especially the whining French. The only people who hate us are people who hated us already. If socialists, communists and fundamental devil worshiping Islamic types hate us, (in other words, the people you are talking about and align yourself with) then great, that means we are doing something right. Personally I don’t care if they hate us…If they do, the we should stop sending all those A-holes billions of US taxpayer dollars….And it doesn’t matter if the enemies of America hate us, so long as they fear us.

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republicans have no concept of diplomatic foreign policy.

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On the contrary….Republicans are saving our butts from the mess left by the screw ups in the white house before. Do you want to talk about what a success Jimmy Carter’s foreign policy was…or maybe Bill Clinton’s bombing of a Chinese embassy and killing over 2000 Serbs to cover his sorry ass….Or maybe it was the arming of China with ICBMS…or the give away of the Panama Canal….or the absolutely pathetic bombings of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Sudan..What about that brilliant foreign policy in Mogadishu? You want to talk about foreign policy screw ups….? You’ll find Democrats in the thick of it every time making a mess of the world…and the adults, known as the Republicans, always have to come along and clean up their mess afterwards…This is historical fact.

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The awol shrub has even managed to divide his own people here.

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Only a braindead idiot makes comments like awol shrub…What a mentally retarded jackass you are! What people has he divided? You don’t even know what the hell you are talking about…you dork.

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We cannot take on the entire world. Eventually we might have to if we continue on with this staunch arrogance under bush. Sending troops everywhere that we aren't welcome and expecting world support.

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Only liberal, rat bastard Democrats want to send troops every where in the world where they are not needed and where NO national US interest is at stake. Liberia is a case in point. What Bush has done is to eliminate an actual threat to America, with a record few casualties. No Democrat would actually take on a country that threatened the US. They’d wait for the A-bomb to go off first in New York…then they might whine and ask Mr. great Saddam…and Ossama nicely to stop…and then they might offer up their wives and let those nice Islamic fundamentalists torture and kill their children…Then they’d offer them a place to stay and buy their food. Bush, on the other hand, is efficiently eliminating the terrorist threat in the world….and so far it has been incredibly successful.

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What the hell are you people thinking? Are you thinking at all? Of course these countries are arming themselves, who wouldn't when you have countries like ours hell bent on world domination.

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You really are a clueless farking idiot. Next you’ll be blaming America for Saddam’s killing of millions of people.

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g to be more difficult for people to get grants for school because of cutbacks.

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What cut backs? My biggest complaint with Bush is that he has increased federal spending. The only school cut backs have been made here in California by the most corrupt and incompetent governor in US history….Liberals like Teddy Kennedy are responsible for taking vouchers out of Bush’s education bill which would have made it possible for poor kids to go to school and compete with those kids from more wealthy families. Education spending goes up and up each year. Most of that is siphoned off by corrupt liberal rat bastards in organizations like the NEA…and because liberals are in the picture, only a small fraction of the dollar reaches a kid…There is no correlation between spending and education, BTW, except to say, the more we spend, the worse it gets. In fact, we are spending more than ever before, but the quality of education keeps going down.

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Maybe if Bush would keep his filthy hands off of our social security this wouldn't have to be.

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Allowing you to invest some of your own retirement money back into the US economy, money that was unconstitutionally confiscated by the government against your will is a problem for you? Sounds like you have the problem…not Bush. The better solution is to just get rid of the social security tax altogether. It’s a scam….and a lie, another way the government gets it’s hands in my pockets. GW is saying he wants to give you your money to invest, because he thinks you can do a better job than the government. How is this a bad thing in your demented view. There is no “lock box” in case you hadn’t heard.

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For christs sake, everything a repub touches turns to dung. And asswipes like yourself will try and say that the conservative plans are the best. Maybe the best for a small handful of people. All the while, sacrificing the way of life for millions of us citizens. F%#$! the GOP and all of it's followers, GREED ORIENTED POLITICS......…

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Giving taxpayers back the money that they earned is greedy?…You are perhaps the biggest idiot on this board…and that’s saying something.

posted 07-29-2003 03:30 PM            

"Tens of thousands of college students who depend on government grants to help pay their way through school will be forced to find new ways to come up with tuition, thanks to severe cutbacks in the nation's largest grant program. The Pell Grant is being downsized by $270 million, according to a new report by the Congressional Research Service."

"While the Department of Education has downplayed the impact — telling The Washington Post that it would only affect a handful of students — the exact number who would be barred from receiving aid is closer to 84,000, while a million other students who do get grants will likely find that the amount awarded will be smaller once the changes take affect in the 2004-2005 academic year."

We all know based on Bush's pitiful Texas record that education is the last thing on his puny mind. Maybe because his was so limited.

"The cutbacks come courtesy of a revision of the federal formula that governs financial aid, which the House passed earlier this month to amend the Higher Education Act. The revision penalizes students applying for need-based aid if their families deduct any of their educational cost on state taxes, because it makes it appear as if they have larger incomes. The state's tax tables have been unchanged for nearly a decade."

Typical, penalize americans.....he did once say that americans have too much freedom.

"One of the key questions is how the need analysis system should take ... tax-based resources into account in determining what families can be expected to contribute toward college expenses," the report reads. "Another issue that may be debated is how well the premises and process of federal need analysis serve non-traditional students. For example, some of these students may be seeking assistance for sporadic course-taking to bolster their economic opportunities ... making them ineligible for any Title IV student aid, or they may enroll on less than a half-time basis, making them ineligible for Title IV loans."

The 9/11 attacks happened under Bush's watch, not Clinton's. Besides, how would Bush's powerful military have prevented this anyway huh, moron? These people accomplished this atrocity with the simple use of box cutters. Threats like suitcase bombs cannot be thwarted with tanks and "smart" bombs. And what about our military intelligence, where was it? I thought repugs knew everything, how come they didn't prevent it? Obviously they know nothing besides provoking the anger and hatred of nations globally.
Our strong military does make us a target because the larger we become the larger a threat we are perceived to be. Especially now with the reputation of pre-emptive takeovers. I wouldn't doubt if China backs North Korea if we invade them. Don't think that these countries are going to go down like Iraq. Our "superior" military is getting sabotaged on a daily basis right now over there. Where is the deterrence from the infallible "power" that we supposedly possess? North Korea has intercontinental weapons that can reach our major cities. Bush is going to push them to the point of using them.
After Bush basically gave the finger to the united nations, we lost worldwide respect. This wasn't Clinton's doing. And as far as republicans lacking foreign policy. I believe your own words were F@#$ the world. That statement was self explanatory and speaks for itself. The republican f@#$ the world mentality will eventually bite us all in the ass. And conservatives know whats best?......PLEASE!!!!!

How does blaming Clinton's past mistakes help to fix anything today?

And oh yeah, what people did Bush divide? All of the people that voted against him and were denied, fair and true results.

posted 07-29-2003 05:08 PM            

The wicked words of your crooked messiah. I'm really sure that concept represents the opinions of the majority of our country. What freedoms would you like to give up for your precious god F-walker? Maybe you should begin with freedom of speech? Bush is telling you that you aren't worthy of such liberties. And you believe him......IDIOT!!!!!!!

posted 07-30-2003 02:03 PM            

Just read back your posts and ask yourself how it applies to anything I've said or the subject of this thread, which is the re-call election of California. Answer....It does not. Seek help.

posted 07-30-2003 09:30 PM            

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And you assume that I'm mad, I couldn't be happier, watching you fall flat on your brown nosed face.

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No. I assumed you were angry....but now that I think about it, you do seem mad as well. And if you'll notice, my face is blue and noseless.

posted 07-30-2003 09:30 PM            

Bu$h is nothing but a LYING Stalin wanna' be.

And his administration is corrupt and anti-American through and through.

Bu$h's role is simply to carry out the orders of the globalists.The U.S. is being used as the vehicle and the means to bring in the NEW WORLD ORDER.

Most people just yell.."rah rah team!"

Little do they realize..America is being DISMANTLED piece by piece..annd our rights are simply going to DISAPPEAR after the next staged "Attack" by CIA/Illuminati assets.

posted 07-30-2003 09:41 PM            

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The U.S. is being used as the vehicle and the means to bring in the NEW WORLD ORDER.

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Hmmmm....the US bringing order to the world...And how is this a bad thing?

Anyone want to talk about the actual topic of this thread? California does represent a microcosm of the rest of the US. If people like Mech manage to get a leftist president elected (which basically comprises all the current Democrat candidates)....If that should happen, then what happened in California can happen nation wide.

See this is actually a relevant point.

posted 07-31-2003 02:36 AM            

Your attribution of every problem to the federal government shows your leftist bias. You instinctively thinks the Presidency is responsible for every state problem. This is an indication that you believe in a large and powerful central government.

posted 07-31-2003 09:48 AM            

In 1996, under Republican Gov. Pete Wilson, the Legislature voted to deregulate the electricity industry. At the time, California power prices were considerably higher than prices elsewhere in the country. Deregulation was supposed to foster competition and, with it, lower prices.

Instead, unexpectedly high demand for electricity, tight supplies and runaway costs at the wholesale level have pushed up some consumers' bills and strained the finances of the state's two biggest private utilities, Southern California Edison and Pacific Gas & Electric. Until the state granted them an emergency short-term rate hike last week, a rate freeze had prevented those two companies from passing their rising costs along to consumers.

MORE PROOF..........

Energy deregulation was signed into law by ‘republican’ governor Pete Wilson. While energy deregulation isn't in itself a bad thing, the entire system was corrupted and setup for failure. In retrospect, we find that there was an organized price fixing scheme, engineered by such respectable companies as Enron. This caused a 10-fold rise in the cost of wholesale gas and electricity, and a subsequent 10-fold rise in what consumers paid for power. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, the only government agency who could have done something about the power crisis, under orders from Bush/Cheney/Haliburton/Enron, refused to help, or even put in temporary price caps, which is well within their discretion. The end result? California's largest utility Pacific Gas and Electric, who's retail rates are capped by the state Public Utilities Commission, was paying more for power than it was allowed to charge consumers. This quickly pushed PG&E into bankruptcy, while at the same time causing rolling-blackouts which crippled many businesses. PG&E's bankruptcy caused their credit rating to slip so far that no one would sell them energy. The only option at this point was for the state government to buy energy on the wholesale market and resell it to PG&E, at a cost of about $6 billion.
THE SCAPEGOAT.....

"Davis approved 12 electric power plants within his first two years in office. Had he not done that, there would have been much more of a crisis than we had. The recession was not his fault."

posted 07-31-2003 01:27 PM            

Let me ask you another question; Do you know the difference between full deregulation and partial deregulation, and the significance that factor played in the California energy crisis, and the roll Gray-out Dufus had in partial deregulation.…?

Are you disagreeing with almost 80 percent of Californians (according to Dufus’ popularity polls) who think that the Dufus is corrupt, and a factor in the energy crisis? You think you know California’s governor better than most Californians who’ve had to live with the Gubernatorial screw-ups….just because you read some article, probably put out by the Democratic committee to re-elect Gray Dufus?

posted 07-31-2003 03:41 PM            

I don't deny that Davis has made many mistakes. As well as Clinton or any other dem for that matter. I will not however accept your theory that republican Pete Wilson didn't play a large role as well. All republicans in your eyes are exempt from any wrongdoings. I also question your percentages, it seems that you come up with numbers out of thin air. Many polls that I've seen seem to point to the fact that Californians overwhelming feel that deregulation is largely responsible for these problems. We all know that the results of polls and surveys can be tainted by whoever it is thats giving them. Who they decide to question, the types of questions being asked. Are these questions leading, pointed toward a desirable outcome. So either way, it's hard to prove anything with polled numbers. For every statistic you come up with, another exists to negate it.

posted 07-31-2003 04:21 PM            

So let's get this straight KT, are you, as a person who is not a resident of California, someone who hasn't been following this issue as it unfolded, as I have...are you saying that you KNOW that Gray Davis did not have anything to do with California's energy crisis? You believe the first article on the net that seems to makes your case, without even considering the source? Let's just answer the question honestly...Is this what you are saying?

Let me ask you another question; Do you know the difference between full deregulation and partial deregulation, and the significance that factor played in the California energy crisis, and the roll Gray-out Dufus had in partial deregulation.…?

Are you disagreeing with almost 80 percent of Californians (according to Dufus’ popularity polls) who think that the Dufus is corrupt, and a factor in the energy crisis? You think you know California’s governor better than most Californians who’ve had to live with the Gubernatorial screw-ups….just because you read some article, probably put out by the Democratic committee to re-elect Gray Dufus?