posted 08-04-2003 09:15 PM            

H.R. 2038, introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), does not just "reenact" or "reauthorize" the 1994 Clinton ban, the so-called "assault weapon" law. It bans millions more guns. And it begins backdoor registration of guns. All told, it's a giant step closer to the goal stated by Clinton gun ban sponsor Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), on CBS 60 Minutes "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it." There is no 10-year sunset provision in the bill. H.R. 2038 permanently bans every gun that is currently banned and, with numerous, overlapping provisions.

posted 08-04-2003 09:19 PM            

FIREARMS LEGISLATION IN THE 108th CONGRESS
Analysis by Gun Owners of America
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House Bills

H.R. 24 (Becerra): This bill would require any licensee transferring any firearm to test fire the firearm and provide ballistics records to the Attorney General. The Attorney General would then be required to compile the information in electronic form.

H.R. 54 (Crenshaw, Mica, Putnam, Oxley, Forbes, Kennedy (MN): This bill would authorize between $10,000,000 and $30,000,000 a year for various Project Exile-related expenditures, including sentencing enhancements involving firearms, while exempting similar crimes of violence committed with knives and similar implements.

H.R. 76 (Jackson-Lee): This bill would (1) expand to semiautos (and to young adults) the provisions of 18 U.S.C. 922(x) making it virtually impossible to legally teach your kids the safe and responsible use of firearms, expanding the penalties for violating that subsection to up to 10 years; (2) require that a gun purchaser purchase a trigger lock, irrespective of need; (3) effectively make it unlawful for a parent to keep a loaded firearm for self-defense (or an unloaded firearm with ammunition readily available); (4) require that a child attending a gun show be accompanied by a parent at all times, under penalty of law; and (5) authorize grants for "gun safety education programs."

H.R. 81 (Jackson-Lee): This bill would create a $100,000,000 funding program for "mental health services" for children. Among other things, it contains a finding that mental disorders contribute to "gun violence."

H.R. 124 (Holt): This bill would require the establishment of a system for the registration of every handgun possessed in the United States, unless a state in which a handgun is located also has a system of handgun registration in place. Any person possessing an unregistered handgun would be subject to a 15 year prison sentence.

H.R. 143 (Nadler): This bill would expand the semiauto import ban to cover (1) any firearm that has a thumb hole functioning as a pistol grip, (2) any firearm with a detachable large capacity magazine, (3) any firearm with a fixed magazine which can be readily modified to accept a large capacity magazine, and (4) any firearm that uses .22 caliber ammunition.

H.R. 144 (Nadler): This bill would treat a "barrel, stock, or any part of the action" of a firearm like a fully functioning firearm, for purposes of federal regulation.

H.R. 153 (Paul): This bill would (1) repeal the Brady Law, (2) repeal the semiauto ban, and (3) repeal the distinction discriminating against firearms not designed for "sporting purposes."

H.R. 193 (Hefley): This bill would make permanent the Smith Amendment, which prohibits the Brady Law from being used to create a gun tax or to impose a system of registration.

H.R. 211 (Towns): This bill would commission the Consumer Product Safety Commission to promulgate regulations which would ban any toy gun similar in size, shape, OR overall appearance to a handgun.

H.R. 221 (Wexler, Nadler, Moran): This bill would impose a national one-handgun-a-month limit. It would impose criminal penalties on a dealer if a jury found, after the fact, that he had "reasonable cause to believe" that the handgun he sold was not the first handgun which the purchaser acquired during that month.

H.R. 260 (Conyers et al.): This bill would require Instant Checks at gun shows. It would effectively outlaw gun shows by imposing criminal penalties up to five years (for the second offense) for gun show promoters who fail to notify every attendee at a gun show of his responsibilities under the Brady Law.

H.R. 276 (Goode): This bill would repeal the Lautenberg amendment, which prohibits gun ownership by a person convicted of a misdemeanor involving domestic "violence."

H.R. 291 (Kelly): This bill would double the prison sentences for carrying, brandishing, or using a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence (loosely defined) or a drug trafficking offense.

H.R. 325 (Vitter): This bill would establish a 100% tax credit (limit: $1,500 a year) for a person purchasing a residential safe storage device for the storage of firearms.

H.R. 357 (Everett): This bill would prohibit a federal or state lawsuit against a gun manufacturer or seller for damages resulting from the criminal or unlawful use of the firearm by a third party.

H.R. 394 (Conyers et al.): This bill would allow lawsuits for "crimes of violence" motivated by gender, including, specifically, crimes committed with firearms.

H.R. 648 (Wilson): This bill would reaffirm the right of Americans to use firearms (1) for the defense of themselves and their families, (2) for defense against a violent felony, and (3) for defense of one's home.

H.R. 776 (Andrews, Eschoo): This bill would require every firearms manufacturer and importer to conduct ballistics tests on all firearms manufactured and imported -- and make the results available to the attorney general (BATFE) for a database which could be accessed by law enforcement agencies throughout the country. (EDITOR'S NOTE: Two related studies -- one by the California Department of Justice -- found that it would be impractical and "overwhelming" to catalog the ballistic fingerprints of every firearm in California.)

H.R. 821 (Langevin, et al.): This bill would prohibit the manufacture or importation of a pistol unless it: (1) incorporated a "plainly visible device in a contrasting color that clearly indicates whether the pistol is loaded," and (2) in the case of a semiautomatic pistol with a detachable magazine, incorporates a mechanism preventing the pistol from being fired when the magazine is not attached.

H.R. 899 (Nadler): This bill would outlaw the transfer of any handgun or "handgun ammunition" unless the recipient displays a valid state handgun license and undergoes a three-day waiting period, or submits a statement from state police that the recipient "requires access to a handgun because of a threat to [his] life...." After two years, a handgun license would be required for anyone POSSESSING a handgun or "handgun ammunition." A "handgun licensee" would be required to be fingerprinted and researched in "all available... recordkeeping systems" -- in addition to receiving a "safety certificate" for completing a state-supervised course of instruction and taking a state-graded examination. The license would expire after two years.

H.R. 900 (Nadler): This bill would increase state funding under section 506 of the 1968 crime act by 15% for any state which (1) requires handgun registration for anyone POSSESSING a handgun, and (2) requires a handgun transferee to have insurance.

H.R. 915 (Stearns): This bill would allow national concealed carry reciprocity for persons possessing a concealed carry license. It would not benefit states like Vermont that allow concealed carry without a license.

H.R. 936: (Miller of California, Pelosi, Lofgren and others): This is the Democratic education bill. It would:
expand the Instantcheck requirement to transactions at gun shows (section 11001);
make it unlawful for a licensee to transfer a firearm to a non-licensee without a safety lock (section 11101);
expand to semiautomatics the labyrinthine provisions making it effectively impossible to legally teach your kids the safe and responsible use of firearms (section 11201);
outlaw the importation of semiautomatic clips (section 11301);
require a firearms license for any person transferring more than 50 firearms in a year, (including sale of firearms from a personal collection in the definition of sales from a person's trade or business) -- and require licensees to operate from storefront-like "fixed premises" (section 11401);
establish elaborate federal requirements -- set by regulation -- for the storage of firearms by a licensee (section 11401);
make it easier to suspend a firearms license for any violation of any gun regulation, including recordkeeping mistakes (section 11401);
increase the difficulty of petitioning for relief from disabilities (section 11401);
authorize $90,000,000 to enhance the acquisition of records for the Instantcheck system (section 11401);
authorize $53,000,000 for more BATF agents (section 11401);
authorize $10,000,000 a year for local antigun campaigns (section 11401);
authorize $10,000,000 for development of "smart guns" (section 11401);
require ballistics testing, available to police, of all newly manufactured and imported firearms (section 11401);
require a study of "marketing practices of the firearms industry" (section 11501);
prohibit selling firearms by non-licensees over the Internet (section 11502);
impose a one-handgun-a-month limit (section 11503).

H.R. 990 (Hostettler, Hayworth, Davis (VA), Crane, Doolittle, Wamp, Otter, Gibbons, Lewis (KY), Ney, Cannon, Goode, Boucher, Souder, Peterson (PA), Goodlatte, Hall, Aderholt, English, Bishop (GA), Musgrave, Pence, Bradley (NH)): This bill would allow national concealed carry reciprocity, and is "Vermont-friendly."

H.R. 1036 (Stearns et al.): This bill would prohibit frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers, dealers, etc. It does contain two broad exceptions, which could be used as the grounds for a lawsuit: (1) "negligent entrustment" (defined as "supplying [a gun] for use by another person when the seller knows or should know the person to whom the product is supplied is likely to use the product, and in fact does use the product, in a manner involving unreasonable risk of physical injury..."); and (2) "defect in design" (e.g., failure to include an organic trigger lock).

H.R. 1049 (Wilson (SC), Stearns): This bill would require the government to allow specially trained cargo pilots, in addition to commercial pilots, to carry firearms for the protection of themselves and their planes.

H.R. 1146 (Paul): This bill would:
repeal the acts authorizing U.S. participation in the United Nations, UNESCO, WHO, and other UN agencies, conventions, and agreements;
repeal the agreement authorizing the UN headquarters in New York, throw the UN out of government facilities, and revoke its diplomatic immunity;
prohibit U.S. appropriations from supporting UN operations or "peacekeeping" efforts.
The UN has been active in advocating gun control in member-states.

H.R. 1147 (Millender-McDonald, et al.): This bill would prohibit the transfer of a handgun without (1) a "locking device," and (2) a written warning intended to create an implicit legal prohibition on keeping a loaded gun for self-defense. It would give the attorney general (BATFE) comprehensive authority to regulate the design and manufacture of "locking devices."

H.R. 1171 (Andrews): This bill would authorize the Attorney General to award grants to states which use "iris scan" technology to screen persons wishing to purchase guns.

H.R. 1362: This bill would federally penalize various violent acts against children. Among the factors which would trigger the bill's penalties is the use of a firearm in connection with an offense.

H.R. 1434 (Rangel): This bill would create a special program allowing criminals, including felons, to expunge their records. No one who committed a violent offense would be eligible, and no one who committed a non-violent offense involving the "use of a weapon" would be eligible.

H.R. 1540 (Langevin et al.): This bill would:
allow BATF to conduct harassment inspections of firearms dealers three times a year;
significantly increase criminal penalties for gun recordkeeping offenses, while adding $10,000 per violation civil penalties for the most minor "willful" recordkeeping violations;
authorize $100,000,000 (in 2004) to hire 500 additional BATF agents.

H.R. 1731 (Carter, Schiff): This bill would create additional penalties for persons who use false identities for a variety of purposes, including terrorism or the purchase of a firearm.

H.R. 2038 (McCarthy et al.): This bill would:
make permanent and expand the semi-automatic ban and the ban on semi-automatic magazines;
dramatically expand the list of banned semi-automatics;
ban most unlisted semi-automatics if they have large detachable magazines;
ban all semi-automatic rifles and pistols with detachable magazines, if they possess only ONE of a list of additional characteristics (folding stock, threaded barrel, pistol grip, forward grip, barrel shroud);
ban all semi-automatic shotguns, if they possess only ONE of a list of additional characteristics (folding stock, pistol grip, detachable magazine, fixed magazine of over five rounds);
ban a broad range of semi-automatic frames and conversion kits;
ban any military or police semiautomatic rifle or shotgun, if it is "not particularly suitable for sporting purposes" -- with a statutory presumption that the firearm is NOT suitable for sporting purposes;
impose a semi-automatic magazine import ban, irrespective of whether the magazine was manufactured prior to 1994;
modify the semi-automatic grandfather clause to remove grandfather protection for (1) firearms specified in Appendix A, (2) semi-automatics that cannot accept detachable magazines holding more than five rounds, and (3) semi-automatic shotguns that cannot hold over five rounds;
outlaw private sales of grandfathered semi-automatics;
impose a ten year prison sentence for the transfer of an outlawed semi-automatic "with a large capacity ammunition feeding device";
modify the magazine grandfather clause to outlaw the possession of a prohibited semi-automatic magazine by a retired policeman who received the magazine as a gift upon retirement;
remove the government's burden of proof to demonstrate that a semi-automatic magazine is unlawful -- and replace it with a requirement that licensees register all grandfathered semi-automatic magazines or risk five years in prison;
add semi-automatics and semi-automatic magazines to the list of firearms covered by the labyrinthine provisions of 18 U.S.C. 922(x), which make it virtually impossible to legally teach your children the safe and responsible use of firearms.
Senate Bills

S. 6 (Daschle): This bill would authorize guards at nuclear facilities to carry firearms and make arrests.

S. 22 (Daschle, Leahy, Biden, Kennedy, Schumer, Durbin, Clinton, Murray, Dayton, Corzine, Reed (RI)): This is the omnibus Democrat crime bill for the 108th Congress. It would:
require the states to turn over huge numbers of records to the FBI -- including, potentially, tax returns, unemployment insurance records, arrest records, and halfway house-type records -- in order to determine which Americans are prohibited from owning guns because they are, for example, illegal aliens or unlawful users of controlled substances;
require firearms manufacturers to conduct ballistics tests of firearms and to submit the results to the federal government;
authorize $150,000,000 in order to expand the Project Exile program -- a program which would, for example, target technical firearms violations, while ignoring violent crimes not involving firearms;
expand the Youth Crime Gun Interdiction Initiative;
impose a lifetime gun ban for, in some cases, relatively insignificant juvenile offenses -- offenses which may have resulted in dismissal had the juvenile been an adult represented by a lawyer;
require a dealer/FFL, whether or not he conducts a storefront business, to expend large amounts of money for "secure gun storage or safety devices;"
increase to five years the prison term for parents violating the hypertechnical provisions of 18 U.S.C. 922(x), which make it virtually impossible for a parent to legally teach his child the safe and responsible use of firearms;
increase penalties on other gun offenses involving juveniles;
create an across-the-board prohibition on "conspiring" to commit a federal gun offense;
require an Instantcheck for all gun-show transactions

and, in the process, effectively outlaw gun shows by imprisoning gun show promoters of they fail to notify EVERY attendee of his responsibilities under the Brady Law.

S. 217 (Boxer, Lautenberg): This bill would increase from one to five years the criminal penalties for gun dealers who "fail to properly maintain" any record required by BATFE.

S. 253 (Campbell, Leahy, Hatch, Reid, Graham, Schumer, Grassley, Dorgan, Kyl, Edwards, Sessions, Baucus, DeWine, Warner, Cantwell, Nickles, Conrad, Burns, Landrieu, Craig, Domenici, Dayton, Feinstein, Cornyn, Lincoln, Allen, Santorum, McConnell, Bunning, Nelson (NE), Inhofe, Stabenow): This bill would allow current and retired law enforcement personnel to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the country.

S. 402 (Feingold): This bill would abolish the federal death penalty.

S. 429 (Feinstein, Kennedy, Schumer, Corzine, Lautenberg, Durbin, Levin): This bill would treat 50 caliber firearms like machine guns for the purpose of registration, taxation, etc.

S. 448: (Dodd, Kennedy, Dayton): This is the Democratic education bill. It would:
expand the Instantcheck requirement to transactions at gun shows (section 11001);
make it unlawful for a licensee to transfer a firearm to a non-licensee without a safety lock (section 11101);
expand to semiautomatics the labyrinthine provisions making it effectively impossible to legally teach your kids the safe and responsible use of firearms (section 11201);
outlaw the importation of semiautomatic clips (section 11301);
require a firearms license for any person transferring more than 50 firearms in a year, (including sale of firearms from a personal collection in the definition of sales from a person's trade or business) -- and require licensees to operate from storefront-like "fixed premises" (section 11401);
establish elaborate federal requirements -- set by regulation -- for the storage of firearms by a licensee (section 11401);
make it easier to suspend a firearms license for any violation of any gun regulation, including recordkeeping mistakes (section 11401);
increase the difficulty of petitioning for relief from disabilities (section 11401);
authorize $90,000,000 to enhance the acquisition of records for the Instantcheck system (section 11401);
authorize $53,000,000 for more BATF agents (section 11401);
authorize $10,000,000 a year for local antigun campaigns (section 11401);
authorize $10,000,000 for development of "smart guns" (section 11401);
require ballistics testing, available to police, of all newly manufactured and imported firearms (section 11401);
require a study of "marketing practices of the firearms industry" (section 11501);
prohibit selling firearms by non-licensees over the Internet (section 11502);
impose a one-handgun-a-month limit (section 11503).

S. 469 (Kohl, DeWine, Feinstein, Schumer, Reed, Mikulski, Corzine, Levin): This bill would require every firearms manufacturer and importer to conduct ballistics tests on all firearms manufactured and imported -- and make the results available to the attorney general (BATFE) for a database which could be accessed by law enforcement agencies throughout the country. (EDITOR'S NOTE: Two related studies -- one by the California Department of Justice -- found that it would be impractical and "overwhelming" to catalog the ballistic fingerprints of every firearm in California.)

S. 516 (Bunning, Boxer, Inhofe, Craig, Allen, Nickles, Burns, Brownback, Thomas, Snowe, Miller, Campbell, Sessions): This bill would require the government to allow specially trained cargo pilots, in addition to commercial pilots, to carry firearms for the protection of themselves and their planes.

S. 659 (Craig, et al.): This bill would prohibit federal or state harassment suits against gun dealers or manufacturers for the unlawful use of their products by third persons. Like its House-passed counterpart, it would allow suits for "negligent entrustment" and "defect in design."

S. 679 (Biden et al.): This bill would expand programs providing federal funding to hire local police. In rural areas, these programs have tended to enhance the establishment of "speed traps." In urban areas, stated uses include "illegal ... possession of alcohol" and "firearms ... incidents."

S. 819 (Milulski, Sarbanes, Leahy, Campbell): This bill would tweak the Law Enforcement Officers Retirement Equity Act, using, for example, authorization to carry a firearm as a factor to establish coverage.

S. 866 (Kohl, Durbin, Schumer, Corzine, Feinstein, Reed, Lautenberg): This bill would require an individual to effectively buy a safety lock with the purchase of any handgun, irrespective of need. It would provide for civil penalties and license suspension or revocation in the event of non-compliance, and would put the Consumer Products Safety Commission in charge of promulgating standards for the devices.

S. 980 (Graham, Miller): This bill would require the National Research Council of the liberal National Academy of Sciences to conduct a study of ballistic imaging (pro-and-con), its practicality, and its implementation. Federal funds would be withheld from use for ballistic imaging (subject to a BATFE waiver) pending the outcome of the study. But given the history of the organization, the National Academy of Sciences report would almost certainly give impetus to the push for ballistic fingerprinting.

posted 08-04-2003 09:46 PM            

All part of the plan.

WATCH BUSH SIGN IT HAPPILY!

Ron Paul from Texas is the only one coming forward so far for repeal of the Brady Bill and the Clinton Gun Ban Re-enactment.

So..if Bush signs this law...you better not
have a double barrel shotgun in your home as they will
consider it "semi-automatic". I'm sure the BATF will be knocking if they know you have one..

posted 08-04-2003 11:21 PM            

Bush is most certainly in favor of this bill and said he will sign it. Did you watch the video?

This was from the NRA site......

* Bans every gun made to comply with the Clinton ban. The Clinton ban dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments new guns can have. Manufacturers and gun owners complied and new guns conform to the Clinton requirements. H.R. 2038 bans the new guns too.

* Bans guns exempted by name or type under the Clinton ban. Commonplace Ruger Mini-14s, Mini-30s, Ranch Rifles, .30 Caliber Carbines, and fixed-magazine semi-automatic center-fire rifles.

* Bans all semi-automatic shotguns. Bans Remington, Winchester, Beretta, Benelli, and other shotguns commonly used for hunting, trap, skeet, sporting clays, and self-defense. Bans them by banning their main component, called the "receiver" (Sec. 2(a)(30)(J)), and bans them because they have "any characteristic that can function as a grip"(Sec. 2(H)(ii) and (b)(42)). Any characteristic.

* Bans all detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles because they have "any characteristic that can function as a grip." (Sec. 2(a)(30)(D)(iii) and (iv), and (b)(41) and (42)). Any characteristic.

* Bans target shooting rifles. Bans the three centerfire rifles most popular for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A and the M1 "Garand."

* Bans guns for self-defense. Bans any semi-automatic shotgun or rifle an Attorney General one day claims isn't "sporting," even though the U.S. Constitution, the constitutions of 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states recognize the right to use guns for defense.

* Bans 65 named guns (the Clinton law bans 19); Bans semi-auto fixed-magazine pistols of over 10 rounds capacity; Bans frames, receivers, and parts used to repair or refurbish guns; Bans importation of magazines exempted by the Clinton ban; Bans selling a legally-owned "assault weapon" with a magazine of over 10 rounds capacity.

* Bans guns rarely used in crime. A fact demonstrated by every state and local law enforcement agency report on the subject. The Congressionally-mandated study of the Clinton ban found that the guns "were never used in more than a fraction of all gun murders."

* Begins backdoor registration. Requires manufacturers of guns, frames, receivers, and other parts to report the names of their dealers. Requires dealers to report any of the guns and parts they have in stock. Bans private sales of the guns and parts. The next step is to register individual purchasers.

You watch him sign it.

posted 08-04-2003 11:59 PM            

and man look at these folks who really really really want this bill and really really really want to take our guns...

DOH ! and they are all liberal democrats !!!

worst of the worst...

Wexler, Nadler,Jackson-Lee,Conyers,Feingold,Dodd, Kennedy,Feinstein, Schumer,Mikulski, Corzine, Levin, Boxer,Jeffords

I don't see how this thing could ever become law...without serious ballot box repercussions...the below is a violation of civil rights...

H.R. 1540 (Langevin et al.): This bill would:
allow BATF to conduct harassment inspections of firearms dealers three times a year;
significantly increase criminal penalties for gun recordkeeping offenses, while adding $10,000 per violation civil penalties for the most minor "willful" recordkeeping violations;
authorize $100,000,000 (in 2004) to hire 500 additional BATF agents.

God love him ron paul managed to get this into the bill...is it worth the trade ?

H.R. 1146 (Paul): This bill would:
repeal the acts authorizing U.S. participation in the United Nations, UNESCO, WHO, and other UN agencies, conventions, and agreements;
repeal the agreement authorizing the UN headquarters in New York, throw the UN out of government facilities, and revoke its diplomatic immunity;
prohibit U.S. appropriations from supporting UN operations or "peacekeeping" efforts.
The UN has been active in advocating gun control in member-states.

posted 08-05-2003 12:53 AM            

Id love to eat crow and say YOU were right...but WATCH HIM SIGN IT.

posted 08-05-2003 01:25 AM            

well I'm a conservative...and I say it's the wrong thing to do...

and that's a unfair statement when it's liberals that are pushing it through...read the bill again...the republicans are part of it in protest...like paul...or others attempts in repealing other gun control laws...that whole bill is a sham and a waste of taxpayer dollars...

I carry a firearm that is unregistered...got it from a friend of mine that works for the department of corrections...I'm not a threat to society...and neither is he...plenty of folks in these parts drive around with shotguns m1 carbine's and .22 caliber rifles in the back window of the truck...

posted 08-05-2003 02:56 AM            

could I interest you in a cool looking scorpious avatar ?

posted 08-05-2003 03:38 AM            

Uhh...NO.

The only reason I changed it because Ive had trouble with them lately.

posted 08-05-2003 06:25 AM            

I have a shovel and know the right way to read directions.

Millions of guns were buried by the Birchers
Minutemen and other groups who knew this day would come to pass.

Each gun buried with one thousand rounds of mil surplus ammo.

Comments in this topic have ignored Reagan's ban of allwy sweeper shotguns and Bush (the first's) assault weapons ban.
Dwelling instead on Clinton's expansion of the Bush gun ban to prohibit bayonet lugs and handgrips.

I knew it all along but it:
Just took the rest of you a bit longer to learn both sides are NWO sellouts.

BTW:
I can recite which sizes of pipe work with which calibers. (from 22 to 12ga) Can you?

Does anyone else realize a blowback operated auto is easier to make than a bolt action?

(do you know you can weld with a car battery?)
Can you build a working gun from the scrap available in any vacant house or junkyard?

BATF's captured firearms exhibit includes the best 9mm they ever encountered/
made in a prison machineshop.
Waterpipe and scrap metal.

And the free soul of an American oppressed by the rightwing policestate can accomplish miracles!

Search terms:

Sten
http://www.canuck.freehosting.net/sten.htm

posted 08-05-2003 07:01 AM            

I'm just a Gen Xer concerned about my 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights and Posse Commitatus.

Seems to me this government is trying to flush them both down the toilet of globalism. (For our safety)

posted 08-05-2003 07:53 AM            

We patriots (on both sides) are equipped
to oppose the 4th reich.

Until death and beyond!
Is what I heard every time we buried guns and ammo.

Birchers and fundamentalist's (Bible believing Christians) always knew the evil would come from the right.

I can build a gun from scrap pipe and metal.

I can also fight (and if need be) die for my country's US Constitution.
There are millions like me.
On both sides!

I suspect Mech and Professor also love our Constitutional form of government, above all partisan politics.

Only willing slaves will buy any lie told by their own side, instead of seeking the non-partisan truth.

posted 08-05-2003 02:47 PM            

Wexler, Nadler,Jackson-Lee,Conyers,Feingold,Dodd, Kennedy,Feinstein, Schumer,Mikulski, Corzine, Levin, Boxer,Jeffords

posted 08-05-2003 06:29 PM            

Fact is that only a rightwing Republican can make deals with the devil
Nixon/Kissinger/Bush Mao/Communist China as prime example.
And get away with it.

The NRA claimed in 1992 and 1996 that "Clinton will take your guns.
The NRA claimed in 2000 that "Gore will take your guns."

TheReagan/Bush gun bans never bothered them.
WHY?
I'm an NRA 'eagle card' member.

Most of my guns were bought since 1992.

Hillary never showed up at my door with jack booted storm troopers to take my guns.

My concealed carry permits were issued when Mr Bill was in the White House.

The NRA was lying!

Reagan banned clip fed shotguns and extended magazines, folding stocks,
(specifically made my Nam souvenier(sic)winchester 12ga pump with bayonet illegal)

Bush's gun ban made it impossible to buy any more excellent Chi-Com SKS and AKs or Tokarevs cheap (and brand new at $109.00ea)

Clinton's gun ban, meant my MAADI's (Egyptian made AK's) had a thumbhole stock instead of a handgrip.
(I like the thumbhole stocks BTW)
It also eliminated the bayonet lug.
Big deal!
I never used the bayonet on my gov't issue M-16.
I did whack a few * with that Mattell plastic stock.
It held up as they did backflips from the impact.

When the damn things jammed, they made great clubs.

Isn't it about time to look at Bush's actions with eyes wide open?

Perhaps think:
"What would I think if Clinton had done what Bush has done?"

Goldwater was a REAL Conservative!
In 1993 Barry was kicked out of the Republican Parody.
"I didn't leave them; they left me!" -Barry Goldwater
(explaining why the party of Sun-Yung-Moon had booted him out)

There are still true conservatives in Amerika:
THE CUTTING EDGE
>Moon has stated his goal is the "subjugation of the American government and population." <
>HAS REV. SUN MYUNG MOON PURCHASED THE TOP RIGHT-WING EVANGELISTIC LEADERSHIP LOCK-STOCK-BARREL?
http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0D7fPtv662Lw9k0058J-2tsr0CZ jReOypcHoX4JvyJC-IJUzyT5NPhAT5VAC9hbsHTvKOWdmH3F36cOs/Moon.htm
Subtitle: Jesus warned us: Counterfeit Tares will grow to maturity at the End of the Age; Unparalleled spiritual deception shall arise, deceiving many; He warned us to separate ourselves from believers who are not truly believers. Too many American Christians have totally ignored these warnings, and are now spiritually blinded beyond belief. But now, we realize many Evangelical leaders are united with top ranks of the Illuminati.
The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!! <

simplified
Just as satanists found they could hide best within the ranks of priests and ministers

Gun grabbers and NWO agents hide best within the conservative groups.
There they encounter no resistance from their fellow travellers.

No Democrat could have signed the unconstitutional USAPatriot act and survived.
Bush's followers accepted on misguided faith and lockstep still to the orders of their leaders.
(who are deceiving them)