posted 08-29-2003 12:23 PM            

"My god's better than your god, nah nah".

Good god, it's the Magog brothers, with their end of times sale.

posted 08-29-2003 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Molliani:

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Originally posted by swamp gas

[All in the name of your particular male sky god, which I might add, is as insane and bilious as you and your mentor "Dumbya" Bush.
Does "He" talk to you too? ]

A vile, contemptuous remark that surly rivals the most disparaging words ever uttered in the now defunct Rumpus Room.

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But..but....but:
Neo-cons post hundreds of vile contemptuous remarks in service to their lord and master dubya.
Why is it only offensive when that mass of vile contemptuous remarks is answered in kind?

another establishment of one point of view as supreme and superior to all others?

Hoping I've misinterpreted;

Please inform me how neo-cons' vile contemptuous remarks are acceptable,

yet answering in kind is unnaceptable.

IMHO the neo-cons couldn't energize their base
with such patently manufactured events,
if their base were thinking for themselves.

Dittoheads are braindeads!

posted 08-29-2003 12:34 PM            

I see you are trying to be logical in this.

First off, I think that Jesus the Man was a highly illuminated individual that saw that love and peace were the way.

What bothers me is the mutating of him thru the ages, to suit a particular political/religious/social agenda. Is it the Man bleeding on the cross or the Prince of Peace hanging out with Lambs? Maybe he smoked hashish or partied with the 12 wise man and Mary Magdeline, dancing and drinking wine.

Personally, I feel there's more truth and love in a blade of grass or a peyote button, than The Bible. Nothing personel, but that's the way I see it. We can still go out to lunch together.

posted 08-29-2003 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
there's plenty of evidence on this board to support what a meanspirited individual you are...

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Originally posted by theseeker:

...and I'd appreciate it if you would quit taking my threads off topic..

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A Republican judge rules, in order to let a Republican judge raise an issue..
To energize an easily led self deluded base of rightwingers who mistakenly consider themselves Christians.
(even though they hate and oppose all teachings of that Liberal Jesus Christ)
Pledge issue deja vu!

Easily manipulated and misled= neo-con base!

congratulations $eeker.
you expose the hate and bigotry of your non-christians with every post.
Thank you!

posted 08-29-2003 03:02 PM            

When there is no answer to the pure logic of a situation, certain people resort to name calling.

Want to see some actions, go to Mav's boards, and watch them turn on each other, and like the Hopi Prophecy of the End of the US dominance, eat their own tails.

The tactic of such people is to engage in ridicule and vitriol, rather than just simply stating your case.

Shatoga and I disagree on certain subjects, but can still have an intelligent exchange.

I have an idea, SEEKER, I challenge you to a poll taking contest. Let's take it to a vote. Here's the game:

1)Thermit arranges a poll to be taken on CTC

2) The question will be: Who would you want to remain on CTC- swamp gas or TheSeeker?

Simple:effective.....The loser agrees to leave CTC, and that will tell whether you "own" CTC, like you imply by your posting.

Let's be Democratic, in a voting sense. Bringing it to the council would be slanted. Let everyone vote, as in a true democracy. Or do you believe in Pre-Emptive Votes against people?

So until everyone agrees to this contest, you don't "own" or "dictate", or scare anyone from here? The same for me...

If you don't agree, than you are the Wind Bag, and not me.

posted 08-29-2003 03:12 PM            

That's what I was saying about people using the Jesus to suit a particular mode of thinking.

I like the Peaceful, Social, partying, loving, kind, and friendly Jesus. Not the uptight, sad, bleeding, intolerant, and conservative Jesus.

Take your pick, folks, what do you want your God to be? A Man with a beard, A sensual Woman, Gay, Straight, A Goat, A Tree, The Wind, Energy, Aliens, Vengeful, Happy, A statue, A Rock, or Nothing-At-All.

posted 08-29-2003 03:50 PM            

I'd like to see a scripture evidence indicating this implication of yours...

Shatoga and I disagree on certain subjects, but can still have an intelligent exchange.

hmmm...you seemed to think when discussing the subject that shitoga was a joke and a hatemonger...further proof of your vindictive two faced nature...

as far...lol...as a poll...no need to...if you will count the votes for council members I got as many votes as you did...which makes that a wash...and I didn't even get to vote for myself as you did...lol...anyway I don't make deals with intellectually dishonest people....

simply put just stay out of my threads if you can't stay on topic...I certainly stay out of yours...which is clear to see because of all the "0's" next to yours...

further illustrating gasbag you are a harbinger of ill will, back-stabbing and deceit are practiced...and you don't have a good thing to say about anything...and you are a perfect example of a bitter old fool...everytime you show up here you are trying to remove someone, or their opinion...

I don't like censorship...and you are the poster boy for it...

I asked you nicely to leave me alone...and now you are following me around this board...

unless you have something ontopic...this is our last discussion...

posted 08-29-2003 04:10 PM            

[All in the name of your particular male sky god, which I might add, is as insane and bilious as you and your mentor "Dumbya" Bush.
Does "He" talk to you too? ]

[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Molliani:

[A vile, contemptuous remark that surly rivals the most disparaging words ever uttered in the now defunct Rumpus Room.]

Swamp Gas
So where's the love? Your statement
defines the hyprocrisy found in most of
your posts.

So now you want members to vote between yourself and Seeker - who leaves and who stays - so democratic
you say. . .

Well my vote is that you both stay and
take your issues to the much needed
Rumpus Room.

posted 08-29-2003 05:46 PM            

Hmmm!
How to choose between rational disagreement and name calling and insults.

HMMM!

$eeker.
read up on "spontaneous human combustion"
just in case your dark lord calls you home.

Those 'deals with the devil' expire you know.. or maybe you don't.

posted 08-29-2003 10:56 PM            

Nope, all my friends, my wife, my family, and my collegues all consider me a caring, hilarious, and thoughtful person.

Well looks like you got them fooled, It seems to me that your accepting of anything other than christianity, no really! you try to sound so accepting and tolerable unto others beliefs but christianity because God's laws don't fit into your worldly views.

You seem to view Jesus as a man rather than the Son of God but hey if the bible's correct you'll find out the truth wont you? hell we all will for that matter. Personally I see nothing wrong with the values that are bestowed upon us from the ten commandments.

posted 08-30-2003 02:50 AM            

if some politician wanted to display say a leader of turkey that transformed a land to a liberty induced peace loving country...by all means a book on it or picture...whatever don't bother me none...it's been done already anyway...

but to return to knowthis' implication...maybe knowthis could illustrate how the koran has improved the lives of muslims in the last 2000 years ?

has it spawned a people to create a new government that would rise to be the only existing world superpower ?

or even one of peace ?

display this book now in all our capitals and public arenas...THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW !

I think knowthis would serve himself better reading the notes of washington jefferson and madison...

btw, your new line of civil discourse is appreciated...

posted 08-30-2003 03:12 AM               

Besides, this is all just another step in getting rid of all mention of God (the same was already accomplished in our schools). Its another step toward the completion of the NWO Agenda. Diversity in cultures, languages, monies, and religion is slowly dissipating. Small businesses are on the way out – its all big recognizable businesses now. People drive the same cars, watch the same shows, eat the same foods (there are even McDonalds in places like Qatar, Kuwait, and Pakistan). With one mind pattern or “herd” mentality, it is easier to control the masses.

Who cares whose God it is or what he/she is called anyway. The awareness of our source is a personal experience. We need only remember what we already know – that we are all ONE. As much as an Atheist is offended by any mention of God or religion, I am offended that they won’t let me believe as I choose. Why should I have to watch what I say or do because it offends someone? At Christmas I want to say Merry Christmas and not have to worry about saying the politically correct thing.

posted 08-30-2003 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by the professor:
QUOTING GAS

Nope, all my friends, my wife, my family, and my collegues all consider me a caring, hilarious, and thoughtful person.

Well looks like you got them fooled, It seems to me that your accepting of anything other than christianity, no really! you try to sound so accepting and tolerable unto others beliefs but christianity because God's laws don't fit into your worldly views.

You seem to view Jesus as a man rather than the Son of God but hey if the bible's correct you'll find out the truth wont you? hell we all will for that matter. Personally I see nothing wrong with the values that are bestowed upon us from the ten commandments.

The ten commanments represent God's government over man! God commands us to give up wrongs and not rights! His system always results in liberty and freedom. The constitution and the bill of rights are built on this foundation, which provides for punitive justice. Don't you get it yet?

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Don't you get it Prof?

Did I attack you PERSONALLY? No, but as typical with sky god believers, even questioning the forced upon religious beliefs, is cause for burning at the stake, or wire-tapping.

How many times do we have to repeat it. WE DON'T SEE ETERNITY AND INFINITY THE WAY YOU DO!

You can believe what you want, pray to whatever you want, go to your house of worship, but don't enact laws that attempt to make me see as you do.

Jersey,

I don't see multi-culturalism as the way of the NWO. I still love my Polish, German, Russian, Turkish, English, Mongolian, amd Greek roots. The music i write has all those cultures in them, as well as good ol' American Rock and Roll. I also love African, Latino, Aborigine, and Oriental music and culture. Personally, and no offense, I see herding people into one religion, like Christianity or Muslim, a much more effective way of mob control. It is the Fundamentalists of each religion (one's who think there is one and only one way), that ruin it for the rest.

posted 08-30-2003 10:04 AM            

The Ten Commandments and the Constitution by William B. Lindley

Those who believe that the United States is a Christian nation, or who want to change it to one, often say that we would be better off if the Ten Commandments were enacted into law. The Founding Fathers clearly disagreed. Not only were most of the Ten Commandments never enacted, but the Constitution, with the Bill of Rights, would prohibit the enforcement of most of them. Let's look more closely. The Ten Commandments given here are from the King James Version of the Bible, Exodus 20, and are grouped the Protestant way:

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Believing in more than one god, or ranking other gods above Yahweh, is a thought or state of mind: it is not an act. (*) Violation of the First Commandment is a "thought crime", never illegal in the U. S. Having other gods before Yahweh is also the free exercise of religion and is protected by the First Amendment.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Violation of this commandment is free exercise of religion. Enacting it would violate the First Amendment. In this case it appears that God is supposed to do the punishing himself anyway.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Enactment of this one would be in conflict with the First Amendment provision for freedom of speech.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. While there are no true seventh days laws in the U. S., there are Sunday "blue laws" here and there, mandating that some businesses not operate on Sunday. (Choosing the first day of the week as a day of rest is a Christian corruption of the original Hebrew rule.) However, these laws have passed Constitutional muster only because they serve a secular purpose. Any evidence that the legislative intent was religious would make the law vulnerable to attack as violating the establishment clause of the First Amendment. The religious intent of the Fourth Commandment is clear from its wording, and it would fail the Constitutional test. (A quite different reason for the sabbath observance, also religious, is given in Deuteronomy 5:15: "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day."

5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Violation of this one, with no specification of what acts dishonor one's parents, or what acts honoring one's parents are required, is a thought crime and is thus not prosecutable (*).

6. Thou shalt not kill. This one is Constitutional and is on the books.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. As long as the government defines the institution of marriage, adultery laws can serve a secular (government) purpose. Thus, this commandment could be enacted. Some adultery laws are still on the books here and there, but criminalizing adultery is less common than it used to be.

8. Thou shalt not steal. This one is Constitutional and is on the books.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. This one is Constitutional and is on the books. Perjury laws prohibit this particular sort of lie, along with other lies told in court. If the commandment were expanded to include derogatory remarks as well as testimony, it is on the books under the laws covering libel, but its wording appears to me to be limited to prohibiting a particular subclass of false testimony in a legal proceeding.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. Coveting is a thought, not an act. (*)

So there you have it. Five of the ten fail outright, three are on the books, and two are on the books only here and there, and one of these would fail if it were enacted with its exact wording showing religious intent. Let's leave them in the Bible and in the churches, where they belong.

posted 08-30-2003 10:45 AM            

Sorry about the mix up on my previous post.

Let's face it, talking to some of these people about alternative ways of looking at the Universe, is like peeing up a rope (either sex included), and we're getting nowhere.

posted 08-30-2003 11:09 AM            

I look at all belief systems and find plenty of lusty, lying christians. In fact, I see atheists following Jesus message more than some so-called christians.

And there are musty muslims, bellicose buddhists, rotten rastafarians, zippy zorastians, arrogant atheists, and horny hindus.

I say, live and let live. If a person wants to think some bizarre, mytholigical belief system, go right ahead. You're all correct. All post-death philosophies are correct. All creator beliefs are correct. Black Holes are the origin of life, So is The Big Bang. So are Big Bubbles. So is God. So is Goddess. So are Aliens. So is Nothing-ness. Jesus was a Son of God. Jesus a partying bi-sexual, dancing, mushroom eater. Buddha was Jesus Brother. Mohammed was Jesus reincarnation. Krishna is Jesus. Zoraster had lunch with Mohammed.

posted 08-30-2003 11:34 AM            

Christian Extremists and Extremism

Many people regard Christianity as a religion of love, peace, and tolerance - but that isn't always the case. For some Christians, their religion is one of force, hatred, and intolerance. They refuse to accept others and equals and so wish to impose their beliefs - or kill in the process, if necessary. Learn about the extremists and extremism of Christianity.

Christian Reconstructionism & Reconstructionists
Reconstructionist Christianity is a Christian movement which seeks to impose Biblical laws - especially Old Testament laws - on America. They have been a strong influence on a variety of extremists groups, ranging from the Ku Klux Klan to more mainstream groups on the religious right - groups which don't always publicize their connection to Reconstructionism.

posted 08-30-2003 01:46 PM               

Swamp Gas quote:
I don't see multi-culturalism as the way of the NWO. I still love my Polish, German, Russian, Turkish, English, Mongolian, amd Greek roots. The music i write has all those cultures in them, as well as good ol' American Rock and Roll. I also love African, Latino, Aborigine, and Oriental music and culture. Personally, and no offense, I see herding people into one religion, like Christianity or Muslim, a much more effective way of mob control. It is the Fundamentalists of each religion (one's who think there is one and only one way), that ruin it for the rest.

I thought that was what I said?!? Guess I posted too late in the night to get my point across. I said “diversity in cultures, languages, monies, and religion is slowly dissipating” and “with one mind pattern or “herd” mentality, it is easier to control the masses”. I’m not sure what religion will eventually be supported by the NWO. We may end up with some new belief system or with something that combines many religious faiths so that it will be easier to accept (the same as when Christianity was introduced - with Egyptian and Pagan beliefs built in). Time will tell. Because I said the Christians and Jews make up the bulk of this country, I guess I was lumped into the Christian or Jewish category (which does not bother me) - I was simply stating a fact. With my belief system, I am in the minority!

posted 08-30-2003 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:

if some politician wanted to display say a leader of turkey that transformed a land to a liberty induced peace loving country...by all means a book on it or picture...whatever don't bother me none...it's been done already anyway...

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Thanks $eeker,
for one of your extremely rare insights.

Greatly appreciated.

Imagine you walk into Court.
A display of Buddha is so prominent that you must walk around it.
Looking for any Christian display;
You find there is none.
Your suit may be yourself against a buddhist.
Do you feel the court may be biased?
(in favor of the buddhist)

Imagine you walk into Court.
A monument to Moses the lawgiver is so prominent you must walk around it.
The star of David is everywhere you look.
Looking for any Christian display;
You find there is none.
Your suit may be; yourself against a Jew.
Do you feel the court may be biased?
(in favor of the Jew)

Imagine you walk into court.
The Koran is displayed so prominently that you must walk around it.
Looking for any Christian display;
You find there is none.
Your suit may be, yourself against a Muslim.
Do you feel the court may be biased?
(In favor of the Muslim)
Imagine yourself a Buddhist, or Jew, or Muslim, or atheir=st walking into Judge Roy Moore's court.
You must walk around a display of a partisan idea of religion.
clearly illustrating that "only conservative 'christians' are considered right in this court".
do you expect justice is such a biased court?

Are you outraged that your tax dollars have funded the partisan display of bias?
If so file a lawsuit!
Item:
The suit was filed;
the monument was judged an establishment of one religion exclusive of all others;
Order by the court to remove the monument (to stupidity Moses didn't carve those commandments in English!
The monument should have been carven in Hebrew! /neo-cons are sooo stupid!)

This issue;
(like the "pledge issue")
Is a manufactured event to energize the base for herr Bush!
Because much of that "base" is stupid enough to fall for such transparent manipulation!

prove me right $eeker: