posted 08-21-2003 09:10 PM            

I notice on CTC there is a lot of bantering going back and forth between the Bunkers, Believers, and Gaiacomm. One side is getting mad at the fact that if he has knowledge, he should divulge it. The other side wants to discredit him at any cost. I have seen phonies on the Bunker Side, the Believer side, and especially disinfo agents.

I asked him a question concerning the spikes in the HAARP magnenometer on Aug 14, and the fact that they were coordinated with the time of blackout (4 PM EST).

posted 08-21-2003 09:52 PM            

Although he hasnt divulged anyting that breachs any national security that hasnt already been done. He is as fake as a three dollar bill, he woulda made a better impression if he would have acted on a few of the questions that have been asked that pertain to things he claims he is knowledgable of, but instead he gets frustrated after a few days and post things like [ whatever,so what] as his reply's.

posted 08-21-2003 10:05 PM            

interesting post from Dr. Judah Ben-Hur

[found at this link]http://www.diggers.org/freecitynews/

[topic] A open letter to the People of the United States of America!

From: Dr. Judah Ben-Hur
Date: 29 Jun 2003

Article
Gaiacomm: Open letter to the People of United States of America

It is quite apparent by the events that are unfolding worldwide that a more creative approach is required to “shock” the world into a state of awareness. We can write essays, try to contact our senators, business leaders, all forms of public and private media to inform, shout on the streets, strap bombs to us and blow up people, fly planes into buildings, play cat and mouse with Terriost leaders, murder innocent bystanders, lie to the public, hide secrets, and many other atrocities.

Fact: the Jews, (Hebrews) are not the chosen ones and neither is any other race of humans. Jews, (Hebrews) are recognized because they scream and bitch the loudest. What about the American Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Armenians, Gypsies, Russians, Polish, Germans, French, Irish, Africans and its tribes, Dutch, Swedish, Canadians, Pigmies, Mexicans, Spanish, Portuguese, in short all human nationalities of races and religions that inhabit this tiny planet. They all have equal rights as well, which includes male and female of all sexual genders and kinds on this planet.

Freedom is a gift from GOD to all creatures that inhabit this planet. It is the right of anyone who can recognize the facts that our collective freedoms have been systematically eliminated by groups of peoples that have only their self-serving interests at heart and it is our right to rid this planet completely of the atrocities that are being levied on all of us each day.

Fact: A movie star is only a star as long as you buy tickets to see that person. A music star and TV star is in the same category. They are nothing if we do not recognize them as such.

The power is with us not them, they do not care about you only the money you spend on them. Can you actually contact and tell your star how you feel, or are they untouchable? Products in stores, cars on streets, all of the marketing hype that we see each day, even the so-called President of the United States is only as powerful and controlling as WE the People allow. We can only blame ourselves for our woes, because we allow these people to control us by our own selfish pleasures and desires that so many people take advantage. If we collectively stopped, buying tickets to movies, CD’s, and all forms of media then these stars would fall from the skies and lay in the dirt with us all.

Oprah Winfrey is an idol created by us, not her; she is a simple overweight black woman who gains her freedom thru hard work and creative manipulative media control.

We purchase CD’s from 50 Cents, (crack dealer), and Marshall, (M&M) who hates his mother because we like the message and its ok to be BAD, or be fond of children like Michael Jackson, or even bake cookies with insider trader Martha Stewart.

We take these normal people and make them super gods and we wonder why we cannot have the same fortunes. Millions of dollars are being spent on these people each day while we lie in bed in our one bedroom rented apartment and dream.

Wake up America and the World, the true power of change is in each of us. True freedom is colorblind and accepts all who truly desire its warmth. It is not right for anyone on this planet to be hungry, to be without a place to stay, to have free education, to have a place in society to contribute thru work of some kind, to care for the sick and old without any regard to cost, to eliminate all counterproductive causes that inflict hardships on any human, and to support and carry out a Regime Change to any country that obstructs the freedoms of others to be an individual.

Rise up and be counted not by your leaders but by your peers within your group. Form a coalition of peoples that will standup to the Regimes that control us and replace them completely with one that is truly governed and managed by the people and for the people.

When we all stand up against the regime it will shout loud, but will soon get tired of its voice, then we take our trumpets and march in the streets and blow them until the walls of despair and control come crumbling down around us.

Fact: are Black people in America free? It took a black woman named Isabella to insight the Civil War in America, and by the way, it was a Dutch family that helped help her to freedom.

Fact: It was a half black man who looked white named Farad who instigated and formed the Black Muslims of America, which eventually caused the death of Malcolm X, even some of the first black slave instigators for freedom lost their lives thru hanging snitched by their own to the white masters of their plot, the pitiful treatment of women of all kinds by men who are ignorant of their ignorance thru all time, when in fact women are responsible to keep the balance on this planet and need to be recognized that they are equally human too!

America, wake up and smell the coffee, you have lost your freedoms thru manipulative media control and thru impassive reasoning. Your rights have been shifted to the wealthy by signing over your paycheck thru illegal taxation. Your very existence in America is based on collective reasoning and collective representation.

America’s stars are each of us that support this empire thru our hard work. The empire that surrounds us like a succubus slowly sucks away our life force thru persuasive slave master relationships.

America stand up, be counted, and do not allow your fear to win. The controllers control thru our ignorance and fear.

Replace the US government with one that is for the people, all people of any race or creed. Control business thru the withholding of revenue by selective spending.

Do you realize that we outnumber the wolves and can corner the wolves and either banish them or reprogram them for our desire?

Now ask yourself this, are you truly free?

America is the wealthiest nation on earth and cannot even feed, house, educate, employ or reform its people. Look around the streets and see the faces of the homeless. How can America go into other countries and demand submission when we are not in control!

We all sit back and let the “other” handle it, we are afraid of not being able to watch TV or get gas for our SUV, or buy the new dress or something we desire to have to ad to our overwhelming collection of “things”, or we are just trying to find a job, or a place to live for the night, or try to eat for the day. But we say, “oh this can not happen to me”, well I am sure that same thought was in the minds of the people when they were burning alive in the world trade center in New York, or the soldiers in Iraq when they were shot to death, or the homeless person who died alone on the streets, or the people on the bus in Israel when they were blown apart by a suicide bomber, or a lonely old person who died alone in a care center somewhere in America, or someone somewhere on this planet that was murdered, raped, eaten alive by a wild animal, chopped in pieces by a machete by some rival tribe, or some unexpected death or demise.

In America we think that excess is normal! Well let’s see, American soldiers are still being murdered in Iraq and other countries everyday, and we accept that. Israel can get away with murder and bitch to the USA for help. What about that poor American female that was ran over by a tank twice? Did we invade Israel and change its regime?

America, are you that passive that I can come into your house and steal anything I want, oh that is not fair, oh you will call the police because I interrupted your favorite TV show!

A civil war in America is brewing once again except this time you will be involved and not sit on the sidelines and eat hotdogs and be entertained. Civil unrest and ignorance has caused this new civil war to take form.

Ask yourself, are you willing to die for freedom or would you prefer your neighbor so you can enjoy the comforts of freedom from your neighbors life? Let the other person take the risk as long as my “Americas Idol” program is not interrupted and I can go to work safely each day in my new SUV and not be distracted.

America you have been put on notice!

Dr. Judah Ben-Hur

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he's everywhere...LOL
http://www.quicktopic.com/20/H/fi475NKes8J3s http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/7799.html http://www.ephilosopher.com/phpBB_14-action-viewtopic-topic-164-forum-17-start-45.html http://www.talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@72.oRfUcpcRs9Y.0@.3ba75bf4/42 http://www.pressbox.co.uk/cgi-bin/links/page.cgi?g=Government&t=av&d=1 http://politicstalk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@198.9PcYcQjJFBt.0@.4a912e05

Same spamming msg on all those boards and alot more just do alittle search.

posted 08-21-2003 10:30 PM            

that's sounds about right for you...a week ago that was ok...now...pphhttt !

here's the skinny mr. moderator of one...

mr. hur advocates violent terrorism...

mr. hur has threatened people on this board with hacking...

and could also be the one that is sending virus after virus to board members here...

he has not put forth any credible evidence that he is anything more than a shoeshine boy...

posted 08-21-2003 10:30 PM               

So far, no answer...................................................

posted 08-22-2003 12:12 AM            

My next question: What is the reason for the downward direction of HAARP, since it appears to have a X, Y, and Z grid on the magnetometer?

A certain individual named Seeker is on this thread, and he is a former dis-gruntled chemtrail believer, converted and processed over to a debunker because he couldn't handle the blow job in the White House. The Rope-smokin' Rastafarian becomes the Holy, Good-Boy Neo-Con apologist. The Classic Rogue Sub-Genius.

On MOD, Gaiacomm did not threaten anyone, or harass anyone, like you did, after you were given 10 warnings by me. I am not responsible for what the mods do on CTC. If they believe that he is a threat, that's their responsibilty.

posted 08-22-2003 12:21 AM               

Swamp Gas: He copies and pastes!!

I spend a lot of my day researching and digging through documents, articles, and various legal publications. I am also curious by nature – this helps me with locating answers I need for my day time profession. In intellectual property we have to pay attention not only to details but dates. Everything we do revolves around dates, dates, dates! I could not help my curiosity and did a little research on Gaiacomm and noticed something – it hit me right between the eyes! Bear with me here and please make a mental note of the dates I’m posting.

Here is a resume of a student (name unknown) that built the Gaiacomm website from July 2001 – February 2002: http://www.xlzoom.com/resume.htm

In November 2001, there are a few articles announcing that Gaiacomm is coming soon - within 16 months: http://www.mobic.com/oldnews/2001/11/gaiacomm_corp.htm

Here we have the French Connection in September 2002: http://www.adminet.com/new/new0209.html

In October 2002, Gaiacomm hits the Russian Feds: http://www.dni.ru/news/web/2002/10/31/15560.html

Now its onto the Greek circuit sometime in 2002 – Ôåô 20 ÍïÝ 2002 – whatever date that is???: http://anekdota.dyndns.org/jotd16/0764.html

After this, Gaiacomm takes off to other parts worldwide, but then returns to the U.S. forums.

Here’s the kicker, there is an article in the Oregon State University paper dated January 2002 about a soon to be graduate that will be working at Gaiacomm. Note, Lance Haubrick’s graduation date is in March after the “coming soon announcement” of Gaiacomm and before Gaiacomm “hits the worldwide circuit”. Read this article and pay attention to the terminology this Lance guy uses and well as his environmental background (remember the draining down our driveway comment? It was said either here or on the Chemtrails Tracking site). Does Lance not sound familiar to you too? Might this be our Doctor? http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2002/Jan02/water.htm

Sorry Doc, but I have extremely low tolerance for liars! You are playing both sides of the coin, I just can’t imagine what your game is. What happened? You sounded so positive and you had your life all planned out. Did the real world wake you up and make you mad like the rest of us?

Yeah I know - I guess I lied too saying I wouldn’t post again but can you blame me after noticing the above? I saw your answer on HAARP, I must say it’s a good one. But I wonder if those are really your words. Just so you know, my field protects an individual’s patent, copyright, and trademark rights.

BTW, your post - 2.2 Force Laws & Maxwell’s Equation is not complete. Guess you forgot to copy and paste that document correctly too (sloppy, sloppy, sloppy).

posted 08-22-2003 12:31 AM            

Throw questions at him/her, and see how he/she answers. this is an excellent test. Anybody can copy and paste, including a legit scientist. The act in itself doesn't prove either way.

There's too much energy being spent on proving him wrong. I say spend more time on finding out deeper and intelligent questions.

posted 08-22-2003 12:31 AM            

on MOD, Gaiacomm did not threaten anyone, or harass anyone, like you did, after you were given 10 warnings by me.

that yet another freakin' lie from one who that talent comes naturally...I never harrassed anyone...I just asked dan rockwell to talk to me as himself and not his created personas...

I got this thing about people who intentionally decieve others...

anyway getting back to topic, out of the 48 arrays each puts out 10 kW of RF output between 2.8 and 10 MHz...full power is 960 kW...

see that...more info about haarp in 10 seconds than mr. hur has put out in a week...

sans all the spam, virus mails and threats of hacking...

posted 08-22-2003 12:35 AM            

The 20 complaints about you had nothing do with your canning did it?

As I said, former believer becomes Crusader. Just like your idol Dumbya.

posted 08-22-2003 12:42 AM            

and again getting back to topic...

if haarp were in use most of the time like mr. hur says...HAM radio operators would be screaming bloody murder...

posted 08-22-2003 11:52 AM            

Welcome to the Machine! I don't really call Chemtrail Central Home. It has devolved into a laughing stock.

you'll find here, that all it is, is a spitting and pissing contest, who can be more imaginative with name calling.

I would love to point questions, but why don't you continue at Method of Destruction, where intelligent exchange is encouraged.

I still can't say whether or not you're legit, but there's are more phonies on this board than in the Bush Administration.

Take Seeker for instance. This is a person who was a chemtrail believer at one time, now who's job it is to attack everyone who doesn't belive in his view of what a "Patriotic American" is. He is dug in like a tick at CTC, with the help of a very questionable admin here. CTC is a dim version of a former very bright light.

I'm sure if you either legit or a phony, we'll find that out. Meanwhile, I'm going home.

posted 08-22-2003 01:25 PM            

way too funny...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailsareahoax/messages

take a look thru those...seems the attention whore is getting more attention then he wanted.

I told you Cliff that it wouldnt be long and "they" would dig up the information that proves your IQ.

posted 08-22-2003 02:53 PM               

Newark area huh? I grew up off 16W (turnpike) and 161 (parkway), up in the hills of Oakland (it’s the end of Bergen County and almost upstate). It’s a nice area, but too expensive for a single mom. I'd like to get back around there though, maybe in the Morristown area. We’ll see where I luck out with my job search. The good thing about my field is there is always a demand – people never stop inventing.

I’m going to check out your website. I’ll sign up with the same screen name. Or maybe I’ll use the new name given to me by Lulu – Jersey Devil. I though that was pretty funny. My daughter would get a kick out of it cause her screen name is usually Jersey Angel.

posted 08-22-2003 03:19 PM            

Nope, Jersey City. My wife and I work in Morris County, Madison and Parsippany.

Born in Newark though, and grew up in Wood-Ridge. I also lived near you in Demarest.

posted 08-22-2003 04:12 PM               

What’s up with you? I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you. Is it ok for us to sit here and listen to you rag at someone but its not ok to post a civil message? But you’re right a forum is not where conversations should take place (including this one!). If I had his email don’t you think I’d have sent my response that way? (Swamp Gas - I need your website address).

posted 08-22-2003 04:26 PM            

I don't care for multi-personality posters either there jersey...

I still insist on you sending gasbag mail...