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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 09-03-2003 10:32 AM
    
É see that the lessons of my previous proving to you that you are a sucker didn't sink in for long.There really should be a discussion over whether the information content in your postings is worth exposure to the continual malice that permeates them. We are trying to survive as human beings in this world of cartoon-character Saddam Husseins and Bin Ladens where the borderline between reality and delirium becomes harder and harder to distinguish. 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 09-03-2003 10:43 AM
What have I gained from Gaiacomm so far? A telephone number, which was accurate.What have I gained from Seeker so far? A headache.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by halva on 09-03-2003]
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-03-2003 10:58 AM
Halva:Stay focused on the issues at hand! These ones that are ignorant of their igonrance should be ignored for now!
Something interesting, Greece is a country of very smart people. To be able to birth democarcy and other great works is a indication that once again Greece is the leader in understanding and resolving chemtrail problems! I respect the common person!
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-03-2003 03:14 PM
havla...take your own advice an stay in the chemtrails forum...I understand these ideas of yours are giving you a headache...that's just your conscience talking to you...some ideas just can't stand the light of truth... but one thing before you confine yourself to seclusion... this spray program of yours... where are the planes that perform it ? where are all the people who fly those planes ? where are the people who fuel them and maintain them ? try some advil... 
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-03-2003 06:14 PM
It seems the seeker is a busy bee!
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-03-2003 07:37 PM
same question's I have been asking for 4 years there chief...if you have answers I'm listening...but don't waste my time like havla and eggs... K?
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-03-2003 08:49 PM
your answers to your questions are being compiled to soon present. Do you have any others? This will save time to put them all in a bottle for you!
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-04-2003 12:09 AM
there's an old irish saying giacon...fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me...since i have not been fooled the first time...I will grant you your "compiling*... to be sure patience is not something I have much of...there are things on my plate that need far more attention than you...if you are saying that you can specifically address my questions and additional ones maybe 3 and do it in a timely fashion I would for that moment indulge and listen... there is NO need to rehasH any old suspcion or topic I have heard them all... specificity is called for in this endeavor...and if your reply is too heavy for me I have a friend that carries a PHD in atmospheric science to supplement any and all asimilation of data and follow up if necessary... the additional "q's" would be as follows... what is being sprayed ? (down to PM 2.5) why ? who is funding this operation ? understand I don't play games... retribution for being misled is swift and blinding.... could you get havla to fetch some ouzo...I'm really thirsty...
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-04-2003 09:05 AM
Halva my Greek friend can you assist with this? I will compile what you send. Any info is important! Also I will keep it light for the non-scientists!
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 09-04-2003 10:29 AM
É am about the last person you should be asking. I am possibly the friendliest disposed towards you but I am also the least well-informed on anything requiring detailed scientific knowledge.You will have this bastard Seeker and his cronies all laughing up their sleeves.
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-04-2003 10:46 AM
havla...take your own advice an stay in the chemtrails forum...I understand these ideas of yours are giving you a headache...that's just your conscience talking to you...
some ideas just can't stand the light of truth...but one thing before you confine yourself to seclusion... this spray program of yours... where are the planes that perform it ? where are all the people who fly those planes ? where are the people who fuel them and maintain them ? try some advil...
Seeker:
It would seem that you would have some answers to your questions since you have been here since the year 2000, thats 3 years!
And you have not even investigated any data yourself. Seems to me that you are a seeker with no direction. I would assume that you would have something!
Anyway I will answer what I can! Halva: You are doing an excellent job! Don't get involved with this. I am still asking for translation of snow's work!
I hope all is well!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by gaiacomm on 09-04-2003]
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 09-04-2003 11:20 AM
Íï problem. We are watching you.There would be no translations of Snow's book. The point is how to go about producing one, if it deserves to be translated.
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-04-2003 12:42 PM
I think that there is enough data already at this time to keep us busy. I will still check into translations.I will be watching also!
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-04-2003 12:45 PM
Halva try this link as a start for translation. Contact them for Greek or the can refer. Follow the instructions.
http://translation.paralink.com/urlmode.asp
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 09-04-2003 10:32 PM
Ï.Ê. Forget about translation.
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-04-2003 10:36 PM
Halva:No problem. I will get back to my work. I feel that there is more info that can be gathered in bits and pieces that maybe you could translate into your language. And maybe be paid for your efforts! I hope you are reading my other posts. I am leading into something!
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-04-2003 10:38 PM
Background:
Greece achieved its independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1829. During the second half of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century, it gradually added neighboring islands and territories, most with Greek-speaking populations. Following the defeat of Communist rebels in 1949, Greece joined NATO in 1952. A military dictatorship, which in 1967 suspended many political liberties and forced the king to flee the country, lasted seven years. Democratic elections in 1974 and a referendum created a parliamentary republic and abolished the monarchy; Greece joined the European Community or EC in 1981 (which became the EU in 1992).
Geography Greece Top of Page
Location:
Southern Europe, bordering the Aegean Sea, Ionian Sea, and the Mediterranean Sea, between Albania and Turkey
Geographic coordinates:
39 00 N, 22 00 E
Map references:
Europe
Area:
total: 131,940 sq km
water: 1,140 sq km
land: 130,800 sq km
Area - comparative:
slightly smaller than Alabama
Land boundaries:
total: 1,228 km
border countries: Albania 282 km, Bulgaria 494 km, Turkey 206 km, The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 246 km
Coastline:
13,676 km
Maritime claims:
continental shelf: 200-m depth or to the depth of exploitation
territorial sea: 6 NM
Climate:
temperate; mild, wet winters; hot, dry summers
Terrain:
mostly mountains with ranges extending into the sea as peninsulas or chains of islands
Elevation extremes:
lowest point: Mediterranean Sea 0 m
highest point: Mount Olympus 2,917 m
Natural resources:
bauxite, lignite, magnesite, petroleum, marble, hydropower potential
Land use:
arable land: 22.12%
permanent crops: 8.47%
other: 69.41% (1998 est.)
Irrigated land:
14,220 sq km (1998 est.)
Natural hazards:
severe earthquakes
Environment - current issues:
air pollution; water pollution
Environment - international agreements:
party to: Air Pollution, Air Pollution-Nitrogen Oxides, Air Pollution-Sulphur 94, Antarctic-Environmental Protocol, Antarctic-Marine Living Resources, Biodiversity, Climate Change, Desertification, Endangered Species, Environmental Modification, Hazardous Wastes, Law of the Sea, Marine Dumping, Nuclear Test Ban, Ozone Layer Protection, Ship Pollution, Tropical Timber 83, Tropical Timber 94, Wetlands
signed, but not ratified: Air Pollution-Persistent Organic Pollutants, Air Pollution-Volatile Organic Compounds, Antarctic Treaty, Climate Change-Kyoto Protocol
Geography - note:
strategic location dominating the Aegean Sea and southern approach to Turkish Straits; a peninsular country, possessing an archipelago of about 2,000 islands
People Greece Top of Page
Population:
10,665,989 (July 2003 est.)
Age structure:
0-14 years: 14.7% (male 811,080; female 761,728)
15-64 years: 67% (male 3,578,320; female 3,557,800)
65 years and over: 18.3% (male 866,425; female 1,090,636) (2003 est.)
Median age:
total: 39.8 years
male: 38.6 years
female: 41 years (2002)
Population growth rate:
0.19% (2003 est.)
Birth rate:
9.79 births/1,000 population (2003 est.)
Death rate:
9.86 deaths/1,000 population (2003 est.)
Net migration rate:
1.96 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.)
Sex ratio:
at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.07 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.01 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.79 male(s)/female
total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2003 est.)
Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.12 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.57 deaths/1,000 live births (2003 est.)
male: 6.64 deaths/1,000 live births
Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.89 years
male: 76.32 years
female: 81.65 years (2003 est.)
Total fertility rate:
1.35 children born/woman (2003 est.)
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
0.2% (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
8,800 (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
less than 100 (2001 est.)
Nationality:
noun: Greek(s)
adjective: Greek
Ethnic groups:
Greek 98%, other 2%
note: the Greek Government states there are no ethnic divisions in Greece
Religions:
Greek Orthodox 98%, Muslim 1.3%, other 0.7%
Languages:
Greek 99% (official), English, French
Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 97.5%
male: 98.6%
female: 96.5% (2003 est.)
Government Greece Top of Page
Country name:
conventional long form: Hellenic Republic
conventional short form: Greece
local short form: Ellas or Ellada
former: Kingdom of Greece
local long form: Elliniki Dhimokratia
Government type:
parliamentary republic; monarchy rejected by referendum 8 December 1974
Capital:
Athens
Administrative divisions:
51 prefectures (nomoi, singular - nomos)and 1 autonomous region*; Agion Oros* (Mt. Athos), Achaia, Aitolia kai Akarmania, Argolis, Arkadia, Arta, Attiki, Chalkidiki, Chanion, Chios, Dodekanisos, Drama, Evros, Evrytania, Evvoia, Florina, Fokidos, Fthiotis, Grevena, Ileia, Imathia, Ioannina, Irakleion, Karditsa, Kastoria, Kavala, Kefallinia, Kerkyra, Kilkis, Korinthia, Kozani, Kyklades, Lakonia, Larisa, Lasithi, Lefkas, Lesvos, Magnisia, Messinia, Pella, Pieria, Preveza, Rethynnis, Rodopi, Samos, Serrai, Thesprotia, Thessaloniki, Trikala, Voiotia, Xanthi, Zakynthos
Independence:
1829 (from the Ottoman Empire)
National holiday:
Independence Day, 25 March (1821)
Constitution:
11 June 1975; amended March 1986 and April 2001
Legal system:
based on codified Roman law; judiciary divided into civil, criminal, and administrative courts
Suffrage:
18 years of age; universal and compulsory
Executive branch:
chief of state: President Konstandinos (Kostis) STEPHANOPOULOS (since 10 March 1995)
elections: president elected by Parliament for a five-year term; election last held 8 February 2000 (next to be held by NA February 2005); prime minister appointed by the president
head of government: Prime Minister Konstandinos SIMITIS (since 19 January 1996)
cabinet: Cabinet appointed by the president on the recommendation of the prime minister
election results: Konstandinos STEPHANOPOULOS reelected president; percent of Parliament vote - 90%
Legislative branch:
unicameral Parliament or Vouli ton Ellinon (300 seats; members are elected by direct popular vote to serve four-year terms)
elections: elections last held 9 April 2000 (next to be held by NA May 2004)
election results: percent of vote by party - PASOK 43.8%, ND 42.7%, KKE 5.5%, Coalition of the Left and Progress 3.2%; seats by party - PASOK 158, ND 125, KKE 11, Coalition of the Left and Progress 6; note - seats by party as of January 2002 - PASOK 156, ND 122, KKE 11, Coalition of the Left and Progress 6, independents 5
Judicial branch:
Supreme Judicial Court; Special Supreme Tribunal; all judges appointed for life by the president after consultation with a judicial council
Political parties and leaders:
Coalition of the Left and Progress (Synaspismos) [Nikolaos KONSTANDOPOULOS]; Communist Party of Greece or KKE [Aleka PAPARIGA]; New Democracy or ND (conservative) [Konstandinos KARAMANLIS]; Panhellenic Socialist Movement or PASOK [Konstandinos SIMITIS]
Political pressure groups and leaders:
NA
International organization participation:
Australia Group, BIS, BSEC, CE, CERN, EAPC, EBRD, ECE, EIB, EMU, EU, FAO, G- 6, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC, ICCt, ICFTU, ICRM, IDA, IEA, IFAD, IFC, IFRCS, IHO, ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, ISO, ITU, MINURSO, NAM (guest), NATO, NEA, NSG, OAS (observer), OECD, OPCW, OSCE, PCA, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNIDO, UNIKOM, UNMEE, UNMIBH, UNMIK, UNOMIG, UPU, WCO, WEU, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WToO, WTrO, ZC
Diplomatic representation in the US:
chief of mission: Ambassador Yeoryious SAVVAIDES
consulate(s): Atlanta, Houston, and New Orleans
consulate(s) general: Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco
FAX: [1] (202) 939-1324
telephone: [1] (202) 939-1300
chancery: 2221 Massachusetts Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20008
Diplomatic representation from the US:
chief of mission: Ambassador Thomas J. MILLER
embassy: 91 Vasilissis Sophias Avenue, 101 60 Athens
mailing address: PSC 108, APO AE 09842-0108
telephone: [30] (210) 721-2951
FAX: [30] (210) 725-3025
consulate(s) general: Thessaloniki
Flag description:
nine equal horizontal stripes of blue alternating with white; there is a blue square in the upper hoist-side corner bearing a white cross; the cross symbolizes Greek Orthodoxy, the established religion of the country
Economy Greece Top of Page
Economy - overview:
Greece has a mixed capitalist economy with the public sector accounting for half of GDP and with per capita GDP 70% of the leading euro-zone economies. Tourism provides 15% of GDP. Immigrants make up nearly one-fifth of the work force, mainly in menial jobs. Greece is a major beneficiary of EU aid, equal to about 3.3% of GDP. The economy has improved steadily with economic growth averaging 4% since 1997, exceeding EU growth by more than 1 percentage point. Major challenges remaining include the reduction of the public debt, inflation, and unemployment, and further restructuring of the economy, including privatizing several state enterprises, undertaking serious reforms, and minimizing bureaucratic inefficiencies.
GDP:
purchasing power parity - $201.1 billion (2002 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
3.5% (2002 est.)
GDP - per capita:
purchasing power parity - $19,000 (2002 est.)
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 8%
industry: 23%
services: 69% (2002)
Population below poverty line:
NA%
Household income or consumption by percentage share:
lowest 10%: 3%
highest 10%: 25.3% (1993 est.)
Distribution of family income - Gini index:
32.7 (1993)
Inflation rate (consumer prices):
3.6% (2002)
Labor force:
4.37 million (2002 est.)
Labor force - by occupation:
industry 20%, agriculture 20%, services 60% (2002 est.)
Unemployment rate:
10.3% (2002 est.)
Budget:
revenues: $45 billion
expenditures: $47.6 billion, including capital expenditures of $NA (1998 est.)
Industries:
tourism; food and tobacco processing, textiles; chemicals, metal products; mining, petroleum
Industrial production growth rate:
7% (2000 est.)
Electricity - production:
49.79 billion kWh (2001)
Electricity - production by source:
fossil fuel: 94.5%
hydro: 3.8%
other: 1.7% (2001)
nuclear: 0%
Electricity - consumption:
48.8 billion kWh (2001)
Electricity - exports:
1.062 billion kWh (2001)
Electricity - imports:
3.562 billion kWh (2001)
Oil - production:
5,992 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - consumption:
405,700 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - exports:
84,720 bbl/day (2001)
Oil - imports:
468,300 bbl/day (2001)
Oil - proved reserves:
4.5 million bbl (January 2002 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves:
254.9 million cu m (January 2002 est.)
Agriculture - products:
wheat, corn, barley, sugar beets, olives, tomatoes, wine, tobacco, potatoes; beef, dairy products
Exports:
$12.6 billion f.o.b. (2002)
Exports - commodities:
food and beverages, manufactured goods, petroleum products, chemicals, textiles
Exports - partners:
EU 51.6% (Germany 15.9%, Italy 13.5%, UK 6.4%), US 5.7% (1999)
Imports:
$31.4 billion f.o.b. (2002)
Imports - commodities:
machinery, transport equipment, fuels, chemicals
Imports - partners:
EU 66.2% (Italy 15.6%, Germany 15%, France 9.2%, Netherlands 6.4%) (1999)
Debt - external:
$63.4 billion (2002 est.)
Economic aid - recipient:
$5.4 billion from EU
Currency:
euro (EUR)
note: on 1 January 1999, the European Monetary Union introduced the euro as a common currency to be used by financial institutions of member countries; on 1 January 2002, the euro became the sole currency for everyday transactions within the member countries
Currency code:
EUR
Exchange rates:
euros per US dollar - 1.0626 (2002), 1.12 (2001), 365.399 (2000), 305.647 (1999), 295.529 (1998)
note: in January 2001, the drachma became a participating currency within the Eurosystem, and the euro market rate became applicable to all transactions
Fiscal year:
calendar year
Communications Greece Top of Page
Telephones - main lines in use:
5.431 million (1997)
Telephones - mobile cellular:
937,700 (1997)
Telephone system:
general assessment: adequate, modern networks reach all areas; good mobile telephone and international service
domestic: microwave radio relay trunk system; extensive open-wire connections; submarine cable to offshore islands
international: tropospheric scatter; 8 submarine cables; satellite earth stations - 2 Intelsat (1 Atlantic Ocean and 1 Indian Ocean), 1 Eutelsat, and 1 Inmarsat (Indian Ocean region)
Radio broadcast stations:
AM 26, FM 88, shortwave 4 (1998)
Television broadcast stations:
36 (plus 1,341 low-power repeaters); also two stations in the US Armed Forces Radio and Television Service (1995)
Internet country code:
.gr
Internet Service Providers (ISPs):
27 (2000)
Internet users:
1.4 million (2002)
Transportation Greece Top of Page
Railways:
total: 2,571 km (764 km electrified)
standard gauge: 1,565 km 1.435-m gauge
narrow gauge: 961 km 1.000-m gauge; 22 km 0.750-m gauge
dual gauge: 23 km combined 1.435-m and 1.000-m gauges (three rail system) (2002)
Highways:
total: 117,000 km
paved: 107,406 km (including 470 km of expressways)
unpaved: 9,594 km (1996)
Waterways:
80 km
note: system consists of three coastal canals including the Corinth Canal (6 km) which crosses the Isthmus of Corinth connecting the Gulf of Corinth with the Saronic Gulf and shortens the sea voyage from the Adriatic to Peiraiefs (Piraeus) by 325 km; there are also three unconnected rivers
Pipelines:
crude oil 26 km; petroleum products 547 km
Ports and harbors:
Alexandroupolis, Elefsis, Irakleion (Crete), Kavala, Kerkyra, Chalkis, Igoumenitsa, Lavrion, Patrai, Peiraiefs (Piraeus), Thessaloniki, Volos
Merchant marine:
total: 813 ships (1,000 GRT or over) 29,173,608 GRT/51,184,723 DWT
note: includes some foreign-owned ships registered here as a flag of convenience: Ireland 1, Japan 1, Liberia 1, Norway 1, Panama 2, Russia 1, Saudi Arabia 1, United Kingdom 1 (2002 est.)
ships by type: bulk 289, cargo 59, chemical tanker 32, combination bulk 6, combination ore/oil 4, container 47, liquefied gas 7, passenger 14, petroleum tanker 281, refrigerated cargo 1, roll on/roll off 18, short-sea passenger 49, specialized tanker 4, vehicle carrier 2
Airports:
79 (note - new Athens airport at Spata opened in March 2001) (2002)
Airports - with paved runways:
total: 66
over 3,047 m: 6
2,438 to 3,047 m: 15
914 to 1,523 m: 17
under 914 m: 9 (2002)
1,524 to 2,437 m: 19
Airports - with unpaved runways:
total: 13
914 to 1,523 m: 3
under 914 m: 10 (2002)
Heliports:
7 (2002)
Military Greece Top of Page
Military branches:
Hellenic Army, Hellenic Navy, Hellenic Air Force, Police, National Guard
Military manpower - military age:
21 years of age (2003 est.)
Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 2,662,208 (2003 est.)
Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 2,026,409 (2003 est.)
Military manpower - reaching military age annually:
males: 74,650 (2003 est.)
Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$6.12 billion (FY99/00 est.)
Military expenditures - percent of GDP:
4.91% (FY99/00 est.)
Transnational Issues Greece Top of Page
Disputes - international:
Greece and Turkey have resumed discussions to resolve their complex maritime, air, territorial, and boundary disputes in the Aegean Sea; Cyprus question with Turkey; dispute with The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia over its name
Illicit drugs:
a gateway to Europe for traffickers smuggling cannabis and heroin from the Middle East and Southwest Asia to the West and precursor chemicals to the East; some South American cocaine transits or is consumed in Greece; money laundering related to drug trafficking and organized crime
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-05-2003 11:00 AM
Go to the chemtrails restricted zone and read my last post!
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-05-2003 03:46 PM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 09-05-2003 10:33 PM
I don't need you to tell me about Chossudovsky and globalresearch.Are you helping them? If so, how?
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gaiacomm
Senior Member
Los Angeles, California, USA
417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-06-2003 10:33 PM
Yes I am. By consulting!
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-07-2003 12:26 AM
Seeker:It would seem that you would have some answers to your questions since you have been here since the year 2000, thats 3 years! I do...
And you have not even investigated any data yourself.
that is an assumption... Seems to me that you are a seeker with no direction. racial slur eh ? I would assume that you would have something!
Anyway I will answer what I can!
I do have something...very strong...so strong it will go on the web with meta tags that will drive everyone looking into this issue straight to it... I have yet to see anything from you... I did visit the restricted area and was surprised...not at anything you said but how twitchy some of the "esteemed council" are getting...threatening to push buttons... there going to push the button on ya ! answer me this giacom...will you lose any sleep over it ? I guess we are fortunate that these people are not in positions of any real power... 
[Edited 1 times, lastly by theseeker on 09-07-2003]
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 09-07-2003 04:53 AM
It is good if you are working with Chossudovsky, Gaiacomm. He will be less put off by your fear-mongering than I am.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 10-29-2003 01:20 PM
This is a translation of today’s (29th October) relevant news coverage in the Greek daily newspaper “Eleftherotypia” ATTAC: Mobilizations for the social state In a meeting which took place in Aigina on the weekend, the European network of ATTAC movements decided on the elaboration of a common platform in relation to the European Constitution. Specifically, at the Aigina meeting, in which delegations from 12 countries (Spain, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Poland and Greece) took part, it was decided that emphasis should be placed on defence of the social state and employment, seeking at the same time, in whichever countries this is feasible, to promote the demand for the conduct of a referendum on acceptance or not of the draft Constitution with a view to voting against it in its current form. It was also decided that there should be joint European mobilizations and upgrading of activities concerning the consequences of neo-liberalism at the national level. Citizens’ movements Also emphasized was the importance of the ATTAC citizens’ movements in conditions of erosion of old party forms of organization. The aim of the European ATTAC groups, as was emphasized in the joint statement of the Aigina meeting, is “alternative globalization…seeking to struggle for economic and social strategies aimed at abolishing poverty, acquisition of social protection for all and wage earners in particular, respect for the rights of workers and securing of access for all to public goods.”
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