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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 199 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-25-2003 09:30 PM
Halva, What do you make of this? http://www.gnest.org/Journal/Vol3_No1/kanellopoulou.pdf 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 08-26-2003 01:06 PM
I am not a very appropriate person to be asking questions that require much in the way of scientific knowledge to answer, but it would seem that these tests date from before the days when there was daily chemtrail presence in the skies over Athens. It would be good for scientists to have at their disposal figures that can give some idea of how much additional pollution has been brought by chemtrails to the atmosphere of what has in any case been a very polluted city for years now. A month or two back there was a rash of scaremongering in the press about the effects of microparticles of various heavy metals in the atmosphere of Athens, without any linkage to chemtrails or aerosol spraying. 
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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 199 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-26-2003 08:04 PM
"but it would seem that these tests date from before the days when there was daily chemtrail presence in the skies over Athens."Excellent! Now we can use this data as a baseline which we can compare later tests to. According to the paper, the samples were collected from 1/10/97 - 31/3/98 (or October 1, 1997 to March 31, 1998). Do you know when chemtrail activity over Athens started? 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 08-27-2003 06:27 AM
I noticed them from mid-last year, but they almost certainly started before that.
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gaiacomm
Senior Member

Los Angeles, California, USA 417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-27-2003 05:11 PM
Halva:You see what I mean? I know you mean well and I respect you for what you are doing and will do! You are very bright and have the insight to know that something is wrong! The council is fortunate to have a person like you inform and educate with honest and sincere desire! 
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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 199 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-27-2003 07:08 PM
WHY is this Gaiacon phony still here?
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 08-27-2003 09:51 PM
Because the Council is divided on the issue of kicking him out. I have asked him to start a forum of his own, but he ignores my advice.
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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 199 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-27-2003 10:19 PM
I think he should change his name from Dr. Ben Hur to Dr. Ben Dover. 
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gaiacomm
Senior Member

Los Angeles, California, USA 417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-27-2003 10:55 PM
Halva:Info for you: I am helping in many ways! HR 2977 IH 107th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 2977 To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES October 2, 2001 Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned A BILL To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'. SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE. Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'. SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE. The President shall-- (1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and (2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components. SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS. The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons. SEC. 5. REPORT. The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on-- (1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and (2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4. SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES. Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for-- (1) space exploration; (2) space research and development; (3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or (4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems. SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS. In this Act: (1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space. (2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following: (i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by-- (I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object; (II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object; (III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or (IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means. (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)-- (I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B); (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person. (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as-- (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons; (ii) chemtrails; (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems; (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons; (v) laser weapons systems; (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons. (C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 199 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-27-2003 11:53 PM
Hey Dr. Ben Dover, you have your nose shoved so far up Halva's but right now that if he farts it'll blow the wax out of your ears. 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 08-28-2003 12:30 AM
Who are you claiming is the phony, Wolf? Dr. Ben or me?
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gaiacomm
Senior Member

Los Angeles, California, USA 417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-28-2003 09:43 AM
Halva:Pay no attention to this distractor. Remain focus on gathering info to build the case for chemtrails. The road is never paved with gold when trying to get to the truth! Just turn on your wipers and wash the bugs off your window and keep driving! Thermit and others have done an excellent job in informing, now we all must combine forces and exchange data. Then someone will have to go forward and stand up in the crowd and shout!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by gaiacomm on 08-28-2003] 
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gaiacomm
Senior Member

Los Angeles, California, USA 417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-28-2003 02:04 PM
You could call Al Snow at his place of work (435-628-8786) or at his home in LaVerkin (435-635-2520). Good luck! Nancy Perkins On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 09:07 AM, Judah Ben-Hur wrote: Dear Nancy; I would like to be in contact with Mr. Snow to discuss some issues. Is that possible? Regards, Dr. Judah Ben-Hur CTO Gaiacomm www.gaiacomm.org gaiacomm@att.net ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com

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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 199 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-28-2003 08:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by halva: Who are you claiming is the phony, Wolf? Dr. Ben or me?
AFAIK, Halva, you have never presented yourself as anyone other than whom you actually are. 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 08-28-2003 11:18 PM
Judah Ben-Hur, there was no need to put the Al Snow information on this thread. Don't provide your opponents on the Council with opportunities to argue for your expulsion on grounds of spamming.
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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-29-2003 01:12 AM
havla, like I said I have resigned any interest in this charade...just reading mr. hur has posted the name, home and office phone number of a person in the above post,my question would be was there consent by the person to do so, and if not is this info on the person already posted on the internet by the person...posting personal information is a violation of board rules... 
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 588 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 08-29-2003 04:22 AM
Seeker the expulsion of both yourself and Dr. Judah Ben-Hur is under discussion at the moment.
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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-29-2003 08:27 AM
as long as david and throat are breathing the discussion regarding me will be ongoing havla...you know what they say...if your pissing people off...your doing something right !I had absolutely no idea ben dover's name was being brought up for expulsion...my heavens what has he done ?

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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ 1054 posts, May 2002
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posted 08-29-2003 09:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by theseeker: if your pissing people off...your doing something right !
When I lived in Arizona, Scorpions would sleep in your shoes at night. In the morning, you'd check your shoes for the buggers. I'd throw one out in the back yard if I found one, not because they pissed me off, but THAT'S THEIR NATURE to be attackative, and they are incapable of living peacefully amongst humans. 
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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-29-2003 09:41 AM
I was being nice and left you off the list...guess that's what ah get eh ringo ?
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ 1054 posts, May 2002
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posted 08-29-2003 10:34 AM
How do you know I was talking about you, and not about Gaiacomm?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by swamp gas on 08-29-2003] 
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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-29-2003 03:08 PM
well dufus you did quote me...those psychedelics(sp?) are catching up with you old man... 
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ 1054 posts, May 2002
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posted 08-29-2003 03:20 PM
No, that shit-whiskey, crap ciagr smoke, and beer catching up with you? Bringing back memories of your spliff smoking....chemtrail believing...abductions by UFO's............Read my contest, Goat roper on the ten commandments thread. I predict you a chicken crap on this one.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by swamp gas on 08-29-2003] 
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theseeker
One moon circles

Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-29-2003 03:59 PM
I just love it when you return to your vindictive name calling roots gasbag...lol !  btw, kook agrees with me...referring to my quote you so haplessly tried to insult... http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000047.html HA ! 
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gaiacomm
Senior Member

Los Angeles, California, USA 417 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 08-29-2003 05:39 PM
Well, I guess I better read the rules. As for my expulsion from the board I leave that choice to the wise council. I only wish to inform and educate. Also Mr. Snow encourages contact. After all my friends house address was placed up on this board and we did not complain! We are professionals not children running in the streets looking for candy!
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