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gaiacomm
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HAARP:

As we know, HAARP has created so much controversy in the media and in our private lives that some of us have created stories and legends about the “devil in the sky”. Our crops have been affected, our air is infected, and our bodies have been infected with radiation created by the HAARP program. Chemtrails have been created by HAARP so they say!

Well now lets answer some questions here! So many of you have read data that has been cut and pasted from the Internet to explain away HAARP and its purpose.
All that is known is what is public and only public. No person other than myself here on this board has ever been to the HAARP location in Alaska and seen the actual facility for all its glory!
Everyone here is very interested in how HAARP really functions or maybe they are worried about Planet X or buy some product that claims to rid oneself of being controlled with a mind control system, so wrap yourself in foil to gain your freedom!
Buy someone’s book on UFO’s to make him or her rich off of your search for knowledge.

This message board is full of valuable information that can be used for purposes other than intended. Some here use this forum as a cyber social place to exchange not so nice comments.
I understand the dilemma that plagues this board with so many people posting so much data and the attempt to sort thru what is truth and what is fantasy.
Every 3 months HAARP does a realignment of its antennas and does a power reconditioning exercise. The results are that depending on the jet streams position at the time of these tests and the fluctuations in the geomagnetic fields determines the position of area that will be affected by this insurgence of joules of power and the modulated frequencies that will be injected into the upper layers. The results are known that severe weather and magnetic storms will prevail over the areas affected. Calculation of the jet stream position on Sept 3, 2003, 0900PST will give you an idea where the end result will take place. Go out 2500 nautical miles, with a spread of 1700 nautical miles, 42 degrees southeast from the location of HAARP in Alaska. If you have a magnetometer you will be able to measure an influx of magnetic fluctuations in those areas on the map.
My purpose is to educate and expose and not debate. I suggest all of you begin a GRASSROOTS project in your home and neighborhoods to slowly form a coalition of activists that truly want answers and results from these manmade atrocities that infects us all daily. The change must occur with each of you first and then let it spread. I am just one person a scientist who tires of the deception and cloaking of information to the public and I alone will stand up and help. If anyone else wishes to help I will welcome you. It is a hard rode to walk when it is paved with lies and deceit. And to uncover it is very difficult but not impossible. Stand up and be counted! Only 1% controls us that leave’s 99% that can fight back! You do the math!

Sincerely,
Dr. Judah Ben-Hur

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Halva:

I will check into this translation problem!

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Now who among you wishes to put an end to the the chemtrail/haarp deception and make a course correction? Only serious need apply!

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Energetics of the Earth's Interior

There are various sources of energy within the earth and this report will give the values that were calculated by the author. They will be numbered and the values will be those calculated by the author with a brief discussion of each. For a detail calculation one must go to the book which is available from the author.


The first energy calculated is the energy required to increase the rotation rate of the solid core from what it is today, 365 days per year, to 366 days per year after a period of 400 years. In order to make those calculations, one must calculate the rotational inertia of the solid core, then calculate the difference in rotational energy today as compared to rotational energy the solid core would have in 400 years from the present. Then convert this energy into megatons of TNT and dividing this by 400 in order to get the energy per year input into the earth. This is the energy input for 100% efficiency of this geomotor. If this geomotor is only 5% efficient then the energy put into the earth is 31,200 megatons of TNT. If the earth’s magnetic field reverses then this value would go to zero then become negative.

The second source of energy is the energy lost from the interior due to the conduction constant of 1.2 microcalories per centimeter squared per second. This value is calculated to be 193,000 megatons of TNT per year and is energy lost from the interior and radiated out into space.

The third loss of energy is from volcanoes, hot spots, and from the oceanic ridges. This value is estimated to be approximately the same amount as from the second source of energy, which was calculated to be 193,000 megatons of TNT.

Another loss of rotational energy is due to slowing of the rate of rotation. Historically, the earth made a complete rotation in 23 hours versus the 24 hours it takes to rotate today. We also know that the length of the day is increasing at the rate of .001 second per century due to tidal action. This would result in 1 hour gained over a period of 360,000,000 years. Then by calculations similar to #1 we would arrive at the figure of 15,100 megatons of TNT per year.

The next energy that we will consider is the total rotation energy that the earth has due to rotating on its own axis. We know the rotational rate of the earth today and at some time in the future, the rotational rate will be zero. The calculations are similar to the first energy calculation except we must consider the whole earth and the final rate of rotation is zero. The value of this energy is 61,000,000,000,000 megatons of TNT. This is the energy available due to rotation.

Next lets consider the total energy within the earth due to heat within the earth. This value is unknown and the calculations at best would be an approximation therefore I choose to accept the same value calculated previously for the total rotational energy of the earth. This then gives us twice the value of the previously calculated value or 122,000,000,000,000 megatons of TNT as the total available energy that the earth has at present time.

Now energies listed as #2, #3, and #4 are the yearly rate of loss of energy from the earth and the total yearly loss is then 401,100 megatons of TNT per year. The total available energy is approximately 122,000,000,000,000 megatons of TNT. If we divide the total rate of loss into the total available energy we arrive at the conclusion that in 304,000,000 years there would be no energy remaining on earth. The earth would be rotating once per year and there would be two sides, one extremely hot due to sun and the other side would be near absolute zero degrees.

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Gaia Theory: Science of the Living Earth
David Orrell

Here is a brief introduction to Gaia theory, as developed by Lovelock, Margulis and others.

In the early 1960's, James Lovelock was invited by NASA to participate in the scientific research for evidence of life on Mars. His job was to design instruments, capable of detecting the presence of life, which could be sent on a spacecraft to Mars. This wasn't straightforward, since it was hard to know what to test for: any life forms on Mars may be radically different from those on Earth.

This led him to think about what constitutes life, and how it can be detected. He decided that the most general characteristic of life was that it takes in energy and matter and discards waste products. He also reasoned that organisms would use the planet's atmosphere as a medium for this cyclic exchange, just as we breathe in oxygen and expel carbon dioxide. He speculated that life would therefore leave a detectable chemical signature on the Martian atmosphere. Maybe it could be detected from Earth, so it wouldn't even be necessary to send a spaceship.

To test his idea, he and a colleague, Dian Hitchcock, began to analyse the chemical makeup of Mars, and compare it with that of the Earth. The results showed a strong contrast. The atmosphere of Mars, like Venus, was about 95% carbon dioxide, with some oxygen and no methane. The Earth was 77% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and a relatively large amount of methane. Mars was chemically dead; all the reactions that were going to take place had already done so. The Earth, however, was far from chemical equilibrium. For example, methane and oxygen will react with each other very easily, and yet they are both present in the atmosphere. Lovelock concluded that for this to be the case the gases must be in constant circulation, and that the pump driving this circulation was life.

Lovelock began to look back at the history of life's interaction with the atmosphere. He noted that about three billion years ago, bacteria and photosynthetic algae started to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, producing oxygen as a waste product. Over enormous time periods, this process changed the chemical content of the atmosphere - to the point where organisms began to suffer from oxygen poisoning! The situation was only relieved with the advent of organisms powered by aerobic consumption.

It was life processes, the cumulative actions of countless organisms, that were controlling the atmosphere. And viewed from outer space, the mass effect of these processes was that the Earth itself appeared as a living entity - especially in comparison with its dead neighbours. Lovelock had a sudden realisation that the Earth could best be described as a kind of super-organism:

"For me, the personal revelation of Gaia came quite suddenly - like a flash of enlightenment. I was in a small room on the top floor of a building at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. It was the autumn of 1965 ... and I was talking with a colleague, Dian Hitchcock, about a paper we were preparing ... It was at that moment that I glimpsed Gaia. An awesome thought came to me. The Earth's atmosphere was an extraordinary and unstable mixture of gases, yet I knew that it was constant in composition over quite long periods of time. Could it be that life on Earth not only made the atmosphere, but also regulated it - keeping it at a constant composition, and at a level favourable for organisms?" (1991)

On a stroll with his novelist neighbour William Golding, Lovelock described his idea, and asked advice for a name. Golding suggested Gaia, after the Greek Earth Goddess. The Gaia Hypothesis was born.

In 1979, Lovelock wrote the book "Gaia: A New Look at Life on Earth", which developed his ideas. He stated that:

"... the physical and chemical condition of the surface of the Earth, of the atmosphere, and of the oceans has been and is actively made fit and comfortable by the presence of life itself. This is in contrast to the conventional wisdom which held that life adapted to the planetary conditions as it and they evolved their separate ways."

Key to Lovelock's idea was his observation that the planet is self-regulating. He knew, for example, that the heat of the sun has increased by 25% since life began on Earth, yet the temperature has remained more or less constant. However he didn't know precisely what mechanisms were behind the regulation. It was when he began to collaborate with the American microbiologist Lynn Margulis that the full theory began to take shape. Margulis was studying the processes by which living organisms produce and remove gases from the atmosphere. In particular she was examining the role of microbes which live in the Earth's soil. Working together, they
managed to uncover a number of feedback loops which could act as regulatory influences.

An example is the carbon dioxide cycle. Volcanoes constantly produce massive quantities of carbon dioxide. Since carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, it tends to warm the planet. If left unchecked, it would make the Earth too warm to support life. While plants and animals take in and expel carbon dioxide through life processes such as photosynthesis, respiration and decay, these processes remain in balance and don't affect the net amount of the gas. Therefore there must be another mechanism.

One process by which carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere is rock weathering, where rainwater and carbon dioxide combine with rocks to form carbonates. Lovelock, Margulis and others discovered that the process is greatly accelerated by the presence of soil bacteria. The carbonates are washed away into the ocean, where microscopic algae use them to make tiny shells. When the algae die, their shells sink to the bottom of the ocean, forming limestone sediments. Limestone is so heavy that it gradually sinks underneath the Earth's mantle, where it melts. Eventually some of the carbon dioxide contained in the limestone will be fed back into the atmosphere through another volcano.

Since the soil bacteria are more active in high temperatures, the removal of carbon dioxide is accelerated when the planet is hot. This has the effect of cooling the planet. Therefore the whole massive cycle forms a feedback loop. Lovelock and Margulis identified a number of other feedback loops which operate in a similar way. An interesting feature of these loops is that, like the carbon dioxide cycle, they often combine living and non-living components.

The importance of biological processes on the planet was pointed out by the Russian scientist Vernadsky, who as early as 1929 said:

"Life appears as a great, permanent and continuous infringer on the chemical 'dead-hardness' of our planet's surface ... Life therefore is not an external and accidental development on the terrestrial surface. Rather, it is intimately related to the constitution of the Earth's crust, forms part of its mechanism, and performs in this mechanism functions of paramount importance, without which it would not be able to exist." (1929)

Vernadsky showed, for example, that living organisms are the primary transformer of solar energy to chemical energy, and stressed the importance of biotransport systems. An example of a biotransport system is birds which feed on marine life, hence transferring an enormous amount of matter from the oceans back to the land. In order to understand how the planet works, one has to take into account the effect of life - exactly what Lovelock says.

The Gaia Hypothesis immediately created a lot of interest. The idea that the Earth was alive had been expressed several times before, but it gained special resonance in the early 60's because of the space flights which allowed the Earth to be viewed for the first time as a complete entity from outer space. In a way these photographs were to the Gaia idea what computers were to chaos theory; they allowed one to see what was going on, and therefore brought the subject alive to a great many people.

The intellectual climate was also becoming amenable. A lot of work was being done at that time on self-organising systems. Ilya Prirogine had been studying systems far from thermal or chemical equilibrium which nevertheless showed a high degree of order, for example the Belousov-Zhabotinskii reaction which produces amazing periodic oscillations. He realised that there was a close association between self-organisation at states far from equilibrium, and the nonlinearity of the system. This tied in well with Lovelock's observation that the Earth is chemically far from equilibrium, and the nonlinearity of the feedback loops such as the carbon dioxide cycle.

Meanwhile the Chilean neuroscientists Maturana and Varela were developing their autopoietic (literally self-making) definition of life. There is no single definition of life that is accepted by all fields, however one of the most successful has been their definition, which states that living beings produce, by their own rules, the components, including their own boundary, that specify it and realise it as a concrete unit in space and time (Maturana and Varela 1987). What is important in this definition is not so much the material structure of life as the process, organisation and set of relations between the components. Life is a network which constantly makes itself. The simplest autopoietic system is the living cell. For something to be alive by this definition, there is no requirement that it grow or reproduce or pass on DNA. Since, as Vernadsky observed, 99.9% of the different molecules on Earth have been created in the life process of Earth, the Earth would seem to qualify as a self-making organism.

While the Gaia Hypothesis attracted a lot of interest, it also received a great deal of criticism. Lovelock had attached great weight to the idea that the Earth seemed to regulate itself. Some took this to imply that the Earth was behaving with a sense of purpose, that it was a teleological being.

Teleology, from the Greek word telos (purpose), asserts that there is an element of purpose or design behind the workings of nature. It is part of a very old debate between mechanists who believe that nature essentially behaves like a machine, and vitalists who believe there is a non-causal life force. Critics thought Lovelock was saying that the planet had a life force which was actively controlling the climate and so on. However this wasn't Lovelock's intention. He stated that 'Neither Lynn Margulis nor I have ever proposed that planetary self-regulation is purposeful ... Yet we have met persistent, almost dogmatic, criticism that our hypothesis is teleological.' (1991)

Another loudly voiced objection was that Gaia had evolved without any recourse to natural selection - an impossibility, according to the Darwinists. If the Earth is alive, where is its Selfish Gene, and who will it pass it onto?

As a response to these criticisms, Lovelock, together with Andrew Watson, developed the Daisyworld model - an imaginary planet, which maintains conditions for its survival simply by following its own natural processes. This simple model has since become an integral part of the debate about the Gaia Hypothesis.

The Daisyworld planet contains only two species of life: light daisies and dark daisies. Light daisies tend to reflect light, which has a cooling effect, while dark ones absorb radiation, and therefore warm the planet. Growth of the daisies depends on the present population, the natural death rate, the available space and the temperature (the equations that Lovelock used to model them were based on the dynamics of real daisy growth). The planet revolves around a sun, from which it absorbs energy at a rate which depends on the sun's luminosity and the albedo of the planet. It also radiates heat out to the universe, at a rate determined by the Stefan-Boltzmann Law.

Interestingly, when the model is run with the sun's luminosity gradually increasing, the population of the light and dark daisies adjust themselves naturally so as to keep the temperature constant at the optimal level for daisy growth. Daisyworld is an example of a self-regulating system. Feedback loops between the daisies and the planet temperature, contained in the equations relating growth rate to albedo, somehow conspire to maintain the conditions suitable for life.

Daisyworld is only a kind of thought experiment, but demonstrates the principle of self-regulation very convincingly. It's a viable ecosystem which regulates its temperature, without any recourse to selection or teleology.

One of the main ideas to come out of the Daisyworld model is that the species in an ecosystem can be concerned with nothing more than their own survival, yet as a consequence of their actions they help not only themselves but the whole system. We could say that the self-regulation is an emergent property of the system. There isn't any need for the white and black daisies to get together and agree quotas for each other's populations, and fix growth rates and argue over how much land should be left uncovered. They just do their own thing and the planet takes care of itself. All that is needed is that the daisies give positive and negative feedback to the temperature, and they are happiest at a particular temperature, so they tend to keep the planet around that temperature. They make the planet suit them. Daisyworld addresses the dichotomy that exists between the reductionist approach, which attempts to understand systems by breaking them down to their smallest components, and the holistic approach which views systems as complete entities that must be understood in their entirety.

A consequence of the Daisyworld model is that it has opened people's eyes to similar systems. An example is the salinity of the oceans, as described by Hinkle [see Bunyard, 1996]. Living organisms maintain a salinity which is roughly equal to that of the oceans. Previously it was thought that this was because natural selection tended to assist those organisms which were in balance with their surroundings. The question remained, why has the ocean managed to maintain a constant level of salinity? The ocean's present salinity is around 3.4%. If it were to go much above 4%, then basic cell functions such as the maintenance of membrane potential would fail. There would be mass extinctions of life in the oceans. And yet there is no evidence of such extinctions in the last 500 million years. This is quite strange, because salt is constantly being deposited in the oceans through the weathering of rocks, yet its concentration is only 10% of saturation levels. Furthermore, there has been a multitude of cataclysmic events such as meteorite impacts, periods of glaciation and so on which one might expect to abruptly alter salinity. Indeed, attempts to model the salinity regulation using chemistry or physics have failed. So what is regulating the oceans?

From Daisyworld we might predict that the answer is the organisms that live in the oceans. In fact, bacteria play a particularly important role in the running of the oceans (as in most life processes). Although they constitute only 10-40% of the ocean biomass, their high surface area to volume ratio means that they make up 70-90% of the biologically active surface area. And they all pump salt. Looking at the problem from the point of view of Gaia Theory breaks down the barriers between what we have traditionally seen as living and non-living systems.

Daisyworld and the Gaia Hypothesis are controversial because they touch on the definition of what constitutes life. If we think that life is about the selfish gene, competition, and survival of the fittest, then it is hard to see where the Earth fits in. However, it isn't necessary to think that the Earth is alive in order to appreciate that it is a highly complex system. And, if we say it is alive, why is that so threatening? No one doubts that plants are alive, but they don't do anything nearly as complicated as the Earth does.

Of course, plants are clearly individuals, which go through specific lifecycles. Paradoxically, the organisms which behave most like the Earth are the very smallest - the bacteria. They are potentially immortal, in that they can reproduce for ever. They happily swap genes back and forth. They tend to form communities, such as bacterial mats. Viewed as a single superorganism, they run most of the planet.

Gaia theory has already had a huge impact on science, and has changed the way we view our place in the world. By making us more aware of the damage we are doing to the eco-system, it may also help us to survive. One of the lessons of Daisyworld is that, due to the effect known as hysteresis, damage once done is very difficult to undo. Our experiment with global warming cannot be halted when we are uncomfortable with the effects; by then it may be too late. And once a species is extinct, it cannot be restored. We are just one part of a larger system, and are reliant on that system for our continued existence. We harm it at our peril.

References

Abraham, R.H. 1994. Chaos, Gaia, Eros. Harper Collins.

Bunyard, P. 1996. Gaia in Action: Science of the Living Earth. Floris Books.

Lovelock, J.E. 1979. Gala: A New Look at Life on Earth. Oxford University Press.

Lovelock, J.E. 1991. Healing Gaia. Harmony Books.

Lovelock, J.E. 1992. A numerical model for biodiversity. Phil. Trails. R. Soc. Load. B 338: 383-391.

Margulis, L. and Sagan, D. 1997. Slanted Truths: Essays on Gaia, Evolution and Symbiosis. New York.

Maturana, H.R. and F.J. Varela. 1987. The Tree of Knowledge. Shambala.

Watson, A.J. and J.E. Lovelock. 1983. Biological homeostasis of the global environment: the parable of Daisyworld. Tellus 35B:284.

Vernadsky, V.I. 1929. La Biosphere. Felix Alcan.

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I loved reading that, thank you!

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Thank you, for having an open mind!

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To: All Members and Guests

Over the past several weeks I have posted information that to some has been a rerun of information that has been archived somewhere on this website or buried somewhere on the Internet.
In either case I find it easier to compile and cut and paste information from whatever source I can find, publicly that will hopefully encourage many to seek further and learn.

Chemtrails Central has gained some attention in some circles within the high walls of the system and with some curious interest. The fact that I have diverted my attention to post information and respond to some others here has alarmed some, amused some, and encouraged some.

In all I have stepped forward to assist not the ones that are selling products, books, and quick fix remedies to make a buck off of other peoples miseries or concerns, is their business. I am not selling books or asking for funds to receive a pamphlet on how to stay out of the rain!

I really wish to help those of you who really wish help in some way.

Now let me get to the point of this message!

The information that I have access to and my own personal lab notes and hardware are not in the public domain and for good reason. Some speculators, debunkers, instigators, profiteers and extremists would muddle up the pond with disinformation and other not so nice information. Then there would be others that would use this information to build a HAARP unit and control the weather from afar or even use it as a weapon against or for the United States. If a terrorist group gained access to the vital components listed on this website and the individuals involved, maybe they would kidnap or murder the ones exposed or even build a system with the information posted here and use it to destroy its enemies.
So the question! Do you really want the truth to be exposed here for all to see and duplicate? Do you wish for the families of the ones responsible to suffer the fate of the ones exposed? Do you wish for a terrorist group to stand by and wait for vital confidential information to be posted on a project that can destroy worlds?

We are at war with nations and those nations scan the Internet for information that can be used to counterstrike its foe.

Others will use the hard evidence you seek against you all. Most likely they would destroy your space. So, Please ask yourselves and way the risk for truth and remember if some other country that is in disfavor with the USA gains access to this technology that was posted on this website you most likely will not be protected and you just cannot turn off your computer in hopes that it will go away, and you will not be able to hide!
This time in history I will let the people decide!


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No one is asking You to reveal the "nuts & bolts" Nor Let's build an equally sinister system to "Zap" ANYONE!!!
The FACTS, FACTS, & more FACTS
1- Who or what gov,entity,is the intended TARGET?
2- What are the indicators(observable)
denoting its use?
3- TRUE Purpose?
4- Time Line?
5- Motivation?
6- Bottom Line?
a) who
b) where
c) when } I'm sure there is a time line.
7- Protective Possibilities ?
8- END GAME *Most Importent*
#1 thru #7 can be answered by most who have #8 answered honestly in a timely fashion!
Dan Meskauskas
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We are at war with nations and those nations scan the Internet for information that can be used to counterstrike its foe.

Others will use the hard evidence you seek against you all. Most likely they would destroy your space. So, Please ask yourselves and way the risk for truth and remember if some other country that is in disfavor with the USA gains access to this technology that was posted on this website you most likely will not be protected and you just cannot turn off your computer in hopes that it will go away, and you will not be able to hide!
This time in history I will let the people decide!

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No one is asking You to reveal the "nuts & bolts" Nor Let's build an equally sinister system to "Zap" ANYONE!!!
The FACTS, FACTS, & more FACTS
1- Who or what gov,entity,is the intended TARGET? CLASSIFIED
2- What are the indicators(observable)
denoting its use? CLASSIFIED
3- TRUE Purpose? CLASSIFIED
4- Time Line? CLASSIFIED
5- Motivation? CLASSIFIED
6- Bottom Line? CLASSIFIED
a) who CLASSIFIED
b) where CLASSIFIED
c) when } I'm sure there is a time line.PRESENT
7- Protective Possibilities ? CLASSIFIED
8- END GAME *Most Importent* CLASSIFIED
#1 thru #7 can be answered by most who have #8 answered honestly in a timely fashion!
Dan Meskauskas


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Çïw do you feel about this answer, D. Meskauskas?

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Halva !
Hope this reply to Your post sets better with You then did the reply that I received to the list of questions!
Don't ever remember asking for or being promised any plans to build a machine to "bring destruction" Our perceived enemies.
No one solicited the agenda that has been offered by Judah.
He has twisted the game plan from:
*A) I'm a scientist, I know ALL the secrets, I will share them with Your group!
I have a guilty conscience and have kept the facts You need/deserve too long now .
I know It could be dangereous but I've got that covered as I am capable of destroying & fighting fire from within as I have many contacts in All fields concerned!
I will give You the background( for those who are "new" to the subject)first.
The info will show the true nature of the "program" and start the long overdue-exposure the public has a right to.
To-Gameplan "B"
*B) Like to give You all the facts but the only facts that I am making available to the "possible,potential,student candidates"
Are ( If I Decide to bless You with them)
the plans to equal what Your adversary has already perportrated on the Citizens of Earth! In other words , to build another Haarp System
ALL the important and pertainent answers that could have been of utmost assistance, coming from someone supposedly well placed ...." CLASSIFIED"
!!!!! DuH !!!!
WE KNEW THAT ALL ALONG !!!
Iv'e been strung on by others, but there was usually romance involved . No kiss ,no nuttin'
Dan,,,,,,,,,Crockett,Ca.USA
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QUOTE]Originally posted by halva:
Çïw do you feel about this answer, D. Meskauskas?[/QUOTE]

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HAARP:
Part 1 of 6 parts


According to the original patents of tesla and eastlund, the wireless system was for the sole purpose of wireless communications. Tesla also recognized that the system with modifications could be modified as an electron weapon or force field device. In 1942, the US Navy and Air Force were interested in converting such a system for submarine communications and other long-range transports. After the death of tesla in 1943 most of his files that were not taken by opportunists and publicity seekers and family members were removed by the then FBI and other classified corporate and government agencies.
With the failed project called the Philadelphia experiment that yielded not so nice results and the patent infringements by others, the technology developed by then Westinghouse and GE were off to a good start. In 1962, Raytheon and Standard Oil decided to embark on a course of arcane development. Dupont, Kodak, and others were also interested in the use of this system for chemical separation processes. The results were then injected into the atmosphere thru smoke stacks, evaporation from water and the dumping by highflying aircraft. At the time, military transports were used because of the size and the in fueling in flight process that was working quite well. Smelting was a profitable industry and Corning in Ohio and then US Steel needed the tesla Ohmic burning process for glass and iron ore melting.
In 1965, Professor Brown from Raytheon decided to convert the tesla systems for wireless electric power, electron beam weapon and other non-commercial lethal systems. In 1976, TRW was hot on the trail to develop a snooping device that could be broadcasted from buildings to implant subliminal messages for product recognition. CBS, RCA and NBC were using a visual message system on programming to consumers to buy its sponsored products. All of this without the consent of the public at large but maintained and controlled by the US government and major corporations. IBM also used “mind control” technology using high freq/low freq bursts in hidden microwave dishes secretly placed throughout targeted communities. Ford Motor, GM and other manufactures were using the message systems for the factory workers on the floor to increase productivity. Howard Hughes also financed many of the projects mentioned. Controlling the hidden thoughts of others, beaming high-energy radiation at people, weather modification, and the mutation of viruses using the tesla system to develop biological agents was encouraged by all government administrations.

Part 2; next

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.....and others were also interested in the use of this system for chemical separation processes.....

I am interested in this specific component of the above referenced applications as it might possibly pertain to current pilot projects involving deliberate injection of electromagnetic energy into the atmosphere as a method for reduction of excess tropospheric ozone over major urban areas. This is not theoretical. These pilot projects are IN-PROGRESS.

Can you positively confirm that this [electromagnetic injection] methodology is/was an intended offshoot of the refinement of HAARP/Tesla technology?

Please, no "background" material - I'm just asking you yes or no.

Thank you,
Deborah

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posted 09-07-2003 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Test.

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YES!

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posted 09-07-2003 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gaiacomm   Email gaiacomm   Visit gaiacomm's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HAARP:
Part 1 of 9 parts


According to the original patents of tesla and eastlund, the wireless system was for the sole purpose of wireless communications. Tesla also recognized that the system with modifications could be modified as an electron weapon or force field device. In 1942, the US Navy and Air Force were interested in converting such a system for submarine communications and other long-range transports. After the death of tesla in 1943 most of his files that were not taken by opportunists and publicity seekers and family members were removed by the then FBI and other classified corporate and government agencies.
With the failed project called the Philadelphia experiment that yielded not so nice results and the patent infringements by others, the technology developed by then Westinghouse and GE were off to a good start. In 1962, Raytheon and Standard Oil decided to embark on a course of arcane development. Dupont, Kodak, and others were also interested in the use of this system for chemical separation processes. The results were then injected into the atmosphere thru smoke stacks, evaporation from water and the dumping by highflying aircraft. At the time, military transports were used because of the size and the in fueling in flight process that was working quite well. Smelting was a profitable industry and Corning in Ohio and then US Steel needed the tesla Ohmic burning process for glass and iron ore melting.
In 1965, Professor Brown from Raytheon decided to convert the tesla systems for wireless electric power, electron beam weapon and other non-commercial lethal systems. In 1976, TRW was hot on the trail to develop a snooping device that could be broadcasted from buildings to implant subliminal messages for product recognition. CBS, RCA and NBC were using a visual message system on programming to consumers to buy its sponsored products. All of this without the consent of the public at large but maintained and controlled by the US government and major corporations. IBM also used “mind control” technology using high freq/low freq bursts in hidden microwave dishes secretly placed throughout targeted communities. Ford Motor, GM and other manufactures were using the message systems for the factory workers on the floor to increase productivity. Howard Hughes also financed many of the projects mentioned. Controlling the hidden thoughts of others, beaming high-energy radiation at people, weather modification, and the mutation of viruses using the tesla system to develop biological agents was encouraged by all government administrations.

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PART 2; HAARP

In 1979 ARCO/APTI needed to offset its natural gas reserves and keep them from government control so they embarked on research on other methods and technologies to use some portion of the natural gas reserves. MHD was gaining some success with trials for use as another alternative to hydro and nuclear power stations for electric power generation. Arco was approached by the Navy department to develop a communications system for over the horizon communication and weather mod. Of course, this was of interest to the Air Force and now CIA, NSA. This technology could be used to “blind” the enemy at great distances not only thru adverse weather control but thru emf bursts to cripple communications.
What they forgot was that sometimes the right emf pulse would also destroy the mechanism in heart pacemakers, killing the host. That is of no concern when attempting to destroy other people.

Tests were conducted on select US cities and townships in Ohio, Texas, New York, Montana, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Oregon, Washington, Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas…Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, and George Bush knew of the tests. In fact, Ronald Regan instigated it by way of the recommendation of his Psychic.

Tests were conducted here in the USA first because of the strain on the then international treaties and Russia was conducting their own on their people and others in Europe. China was watching and learning from both sides and Japan was the manufacturer and Israel designed the products. IBM bankrolled with Morgan Bank, Rockefeller foundation, NSF, NASA, Microsoft, Apple, HP, DEC, Hughes, Lockheed, Sears, B of A, ATT, Intel, Boeing, Warren Buffet, Kiewit, Flour, Citi Corp. and countless others that wished to share in the control of the masses for product recognition and productivity control.

The Senators that were involved were public elected officials, (Electoral College) of the above-mentioned states during the years, 1970-1990 so do your homework on that. Your reps sold out to allow testing and dumping of chemicals in the ground and now in the air.

The air is unregulated for the dumping of chemical agents. Only the FAA and Military concerns operate in those regions at this time. Also lets not forget the Governors of each above-mentioned states that also turned the other way. This way federal funds were given and uninterrupted for cooperation to allow testing of emf, chemical injections in foods and water supplies, all monitored by the CDC.
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Test.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3378 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-07-2003 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what are we testing ?

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I don’t know about her, but I am testing my new HAARP oscillator (HARPO) system that I built in my back yard. It uses three tuned copper pipes in a 5 gallon bucket of cement for an antenna, an old CB radio system to supply the RF signal. The CB is hooked up to an old Commodore 64 computer and is transmitting a series of pulses based on a fractal generator program.

I’ll keep you posted on how well it works.


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3378 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-07-2003 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
right on !

sometimes when I see folks walking out of wal-mart with remote car alarm remotes in their hand, fixin' to disarm their system, I like to mash down the buttons on mine and block their signal...so it sends their alarm into panic mode...

chocolate moo

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