posted 09-10-2003 12:08 PM            

If you notice, I did not attack anyone personally, but Seeker took it to be him. Well, if the shoe fits.

Back to thread.

I think the time is over for debating Neo-Cons and NWO apologists. If we want to hear their line, turn on FOX, ABC, CNN, NBS, CBS, and NPR for the official line. The question right now is, what do we do about these people?

9/11 anniversary is tomorrow, and I live 3 miles from WTC. The people are angry and sad here in New York. New Yorkers are pissed about all the lies, especially the air quality after the attack.

posted 09-10-2003 01:15 PM            

Now I'll bet even more people are going to die from THIS latest cover-up.

Study Finds WTC Fires Spewed Toxic Gases for Weeks
1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Sept. 9, 2003

By Ellen Wulfhorst

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The burning ruins of the World Trade Center spewed toxic gases "like a chemical factory" for at least six weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks despite government assurances the air was safe, according to a study released on Wednesday.

The gases of toxic metals, acids and organics could penetrate deeply into the lungs of workers at Ground Zero, said the study by scientists at the University of California at Davis and released at a meeting of the American Chemical Society in New York.

Lead study author Thomas Cahill, a professor of physics and engineering, said conditions would have been "brutal" for workers at Ground Zero without respirators and slightly less so for those working or living in adjacent buildings.

"The debris pile acted like a chemical factory," Cahill said. "It cooked together the components and the buildings and their contents, including enormous numbers of computers, and gave off gases of toxic metals, acids and organics for at least six weeks."

The report comes amid questions about air quality at Ground Zero and what the public was told by the government.

Last month, an internal report by Environmental Protection Agency Inspector General Nikki Tinsley said the White House pressured the agency to make premature statements that the air was safe to breathe.

The EPA issued an air quality statement on Sept. 18, 2001, even though it "did not have sufficient data and analyzes to make the statement," the report said.

The White House "convinced the EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones," Tinsley said. Among the information withheld was the potential health hazards of breathing asbestos, lead, concrete and pulverized glass, the report said.

New York leaders including Sen. Hillary Clinton have called on the Justice Department to investigate.

EPA acting administrator Marianne Horinko has defended the agency, saying it used the best information it had available.

According to the newly released UC-Davis study, after the towers collapsed, tons of concrete, glass, furniture, carpets, insulation, computers and papers burned until Dec. 19, 2001.

Some elements of the debris combined with organic matter and chlorine from papers and plastics and escaped to the surface as metal-rich gases that either burned or chemically decomposed into very fine particles that could easily penetrate deep into human lungs, it said.

Specifically, the study said samples from Ground Zero found four types of particles listed by the EPA as likely to harm human health -- fine metals that can damage lungs, sulfuric acid that attacks lung cells, fine undissolvable particles of glass that can travel through the lungs to the bloodstream and heart and high-temperature carcinogenic organic matter.

Measurements made at Ground Zero in May 2002, months after the fires were out, showed levels of nearly all the fine components had declined more than 90 percent, the study said.

posted 09-10-2003 02:27 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by theseeker:

...not to mention all the combustable materials in those buildings...paper wood tiles carpet...nawg...they don't burn do they...not even with a full load of jet fuel dumped on it...

...I'm instituting a new policy...to not comment anymore on idiotic and stupid shit...

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Paper burns at about 451 degrees Farenheit.
(See the movie "Farenheit 451" about book burning.)
....idiotic and stupid shit...
Like believing steel beams which soften at over 1700 degrees F were melted into total and sudden collapse by burning kerosene or
even more:....idiotic and stupid shit...
burning paper.

Only one explanation fits each and every anomaly of 911:
Operation Northwoods was authorized by Bush.

Airliners were ordered to land at military bases.
All passengers and crew herded onto one airplane, which got shot down to destroy all evidence.

Military stand down fits no other explanation.
Bushies ignoring specific warnings fits no other explanation.
Bewhildered intel community producing names pictures, passports etc, instantly fits no other explanation.
(If they knew why didn't they act?)

Asking US to believe five military jets could scramble in 1999 to follow a pro golfer; (Payne Stewart)
yet not even one jet could scramble on 911 with 4 "hijacked airliners" and them crashing into buildings:
...idiotic and stupid shit...

Beyond any rational belief!

America's Reichstag Fire was so obviously an inside job
that even the POPE believes it was an inside job.

From my first post in this thread:
>All who care only about Bush, and hate truth,
post insults, namecalling and
diversions from the topic
instead.
Standard operating procedure at this forum and most others.<

quote:

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Originally posted by theseeker:
...to not comment anymore on idiotic and stupid shit...

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posted 09-10-2003 02:40 PM            

9/11 CitizensWatch fully endorses this letter and the focused issues and questions it clearly raises. Please forward this to your colleagues so that pressure builds upon those responsible to respond forthwith. The National Commission should respond with open hearings those those concerned testifying UNDER OATH without White House or relavent agency 'minders'

For those of you in the New York area, both Cynthia McKinney and Michael Ruppert, who participated in this Berlin event will be joining fomer CIA analyst Ray McGovern, CitizensWatch co-founder John Judge, Emmy award winners Danny Schechter and Peter Lance and Dr. Faiz Khan for panel discussions of these and related issues and open questions at an upcoming investigative film exhibition and roundtable at Riverside Church beginning at 6PM on September 11, 2003.

Please see a complete description at:
www.riversidechurch.net

Again, please forward to those on your email list. This matter deserves the highest level of attention. And if you in or near New York we hope to see you at Riverside Church tomorrow night.

Sincerely yours,

Kyle F. Hence
Co-founder, 9/11 CitizensWatch

401-935-7715
212-243-3461

Berlin 9/11 Conference Open Letter Poses Questions to Bush, Schröder, EU
(See http://www.911truth.org/openletter.html)

The German 9/11 Research Network
hintergrund.de

&

9/11 Truth Alliance www.911truth.org

-- For immediate release (Sept. 10, 2003) --

TOMORROW, Sept. 11, 2003, in Berlin:

The organizers of the symposium and conference
"UNANSWERED QUESTIONS - DEMANDING ANSWERS"
--on the open questions of Sept. 11, 2001
--held in Berlin, Germany last weekend (Sept. 4-7, 2003)

will present an OPEN LETTER

Concerning the 9/11 testimony and documents that an independent investigation
would logically demand

For delivery at the front doors of the U.S. Embassy, the German Chancellery
and the offices of the European Parliament in Berlin.

Therein, we ask for specific items of evidence relevant to answering some of
the most important questions concerning the events, background, context and
consequences of Sept. 11, 2001.

The open letter has been sent today by post to the U.S. Embassy, the German
Chancellery and the offices of the European Parliament, and is available on
the Internet at the following address:
http://www.911truth.org/openletter.html

Members of the press are invited to witness the delivery of the open letter to
the U.S. embassy
--at the police barricade on Unter den Linden (corner of Neustädtische
Kirchstrasse)
--at 3 p.m. (15 Uhr) tomorrow, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003.

To be followed by visits to the front doors of the European Parliament offices
on Unter den Linden 78 and the German Chancellery (Kanzleramt).

Contacts:
Nicholas Levis
9/11 Truth Alliance - international
newyorkcity@snafu.de www.911truth.org

posted 09-10-2003 04:26 PM            

quote:

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what's even more amusing is how you and emfx come here to thermit's party and invite everyone to your party...I would have bounced your ass's straight out of here after the 14th or 15th time you pushed that dismal slow loading board on everyone...

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posted 09-10-2003 11:18 PM            

What was he doing? Reading a story about a pet goat even after being told the second tower had been hit.

Here are some interesting details that they would rather have you forget:

Bush Knew

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

The School Video

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html

(Oh please, look surprised, look shocked, look angry, look concerned...nope just sit there reading that book about the pet goat).

BUSH CAUGHT IN A LIE ABOUT WTC ATTACKS http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.htm

Nope, they won't touch these facts, they'll just sit back and support another $87 BILLION to see our troops get killed daily so that Haliburton and Bechtel can make their billions.

Meanwhile, all the state governments back in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are going bankrupt in the Bush economic folly.

Oh yeah, SOME people are making money.

posted 09-11-2003 12:37 AM            

where were you and your carping when clinton could have nabbed bin-laden in sudan ?

clinton had 8 years to deal with the problem...

again where were you ?

oh yeah...worried about ship tracks...yeah that's it...

btw throat...nice links you provided...here's what I really like...the disclaimer...

What Really Happens is not responsible for the accuracy of the claims made in them.

right up your alley...

///

emfx,

your compadre gasbag is a pathological liar...he proved it in his reply earlier...

so let's settle this shit once and for all...

I'm really tired of gasbag coming here and starting shit all the time...divide conquor and remove all opinion that he does not carry...it is really getting old and -0- productivity comes from it...I have no problem with mech and a few others, most I just ignore...but these personal attacks and piss poor attempts at character assassination by gasbag have got to stop !

the truth :

We did invite him to Method of Destruction. He came over under false pretenses.

I never had any agreement with gasbag, I discussed it with emfx...over a period of weeks...he wore me down...I had a weak moment...

1) Said he liked my music

never said I liked his music...said it had some innovative spots...and informed him of a flat spot on the vocalistist and another tempo thang...that's all I said...

2) being overly friendly to Thetaloops

I am ALWAYS courteous with the ladies...it's the southern way...

3) Said how much he dislikes a lot of the people of Maverick's

so what I don't like you either gasbag...

4) being overly friendly to me

clearly gasbag you live in a fantasyland, until someone takes a shot at me I am always polite...and since you were getting your ass handed to you from other people in the rumpus room...I seen no need to pile on...I just happen to have archived that...WOULD YOU LIKE TO RE-LIVE IT !

5) talked at Maverick's with others on how they were going to turn MOD, Megasprayer, and others into "chemmie ghettos".

another flat ass lie...I recommended to bill (who I do like) jokingly that he should start a chemmie ghetto at mav's...you are a self involved dolt...thread still there want to see it too ?

6) picked fights right away with Dan Rockwell, Blaze, and Mech at MOD.

dan rockwell has a problem...I believe in the very least, at an attempt at helping those with problems...I asked him (dan) to talk to me in his real personality...not jenna krissa...and God know's who else over there...and for that I was banned after three days and learned a valuable lesson...

Blaze ?

7) gave him plenty of slack, but asked him a half dozen times to be nice

yeah busted yourself there chief...more than a half a dozen IM's...in really less than three days...I only told you to go fuck yourself after several hours when you would not explain to me why you erased my whole freakin post...censorship lives in your black heart old man...

8) Figured out his stupid game.

let's see I am solicited publically and privately by emfx to join his board...you followed me around like a hawk, at every turn...and I'm the one playin games ?

I could have completely brought that board to a screaching halt with a little code and you boys wouldn't have known how or what to do about it...

thank your lucky stars I'm not petty and vindictive like you...

9) EMFX13 and I agreed to ban him

LOL !...guess that's why I got a mail from emfx, 30 minutes after you pulled the trigger, in my web mail saying (paraphrasing) "everone's getting along great and thanks for posting"...probably automated...but who cares my point has been made...

I took you at your word emfx when you said and I quote...

"No restriction's.No game's.I would not do that to you,i know we don't see eye to eye on "some" thing's,but that's cool.You CAN trust me,i am a good person and i know you are."

sounds like your new offer is a genuine change of heart and I thank you for that...I suppose I won't hold THAT against you...but where I come from when you get screwed once...you don't give that person another chance to do it again...

and if I was not above it, had the time and really gave a damn about it...I'd return the favor...

posted 09-11-2003 01:28 AM            

I was being civil...

if you or anyone wishes to silence my voice for speaking the truth...or the way I tell it...

the hell with ya...

unfortunately no one's mind is on the folks who died on 9-11...or the families...who try continue on without them...

only disgustingly infantile threats, carping and hectoring...

that's the bed you lay in...

posted 09-11-2003 01:50 AM            

time is running out for you

almost get the feeling that would bother you...I'm touched...

I'm alot nicer than I used to be...and very consitent the last few years...

and if that ain't good enough...

too bad

(the "f" word could be inserted in between the "too" and the "bad')

posted 09-11-2003 01:53 AM            

quote:

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sounds like your new offer is a genuine change of heart and I thank you for that...I suppose I won't hold THAT against you...but where I come from when you get screwed once...you don't give that person another chance to do it again...

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posted 09-11-2003 02:12 AM            

wayne and that hair are just too damn cool...

posted 09-11-2003 09:21 AM            

Shall I post the emails you sent, since I saved them?

Polite to ladies... Right...Like jeanie? I met Jeanie personally, and she is a sweet lady, could be your mother, well not yours, since there must be a source of your insanity. Is that the way you talk to your elders? Or Deborah? or Ellyn? or Blaze? Yes Blaze is a female.You talked nice to Thetaloops because that was your entrance to "chemmieghettoize" MOD. Didn't work, Goat Roper, did it?

"I could have completely brought that board to a screaching halt with a little code and you boys wouldn't have known how or what to do about it..."

Sounds like you "Cox" guys like to make threats.

B1BLancer doesn't agree on one thing I say, but we are still civil at MOD. What is your problem?

posted 09-11-2003 10:11 AM            

Hardly seeker.

Where were the intercepts?

How long did Bush stay in the elementary school classroom after being told that the second plane had hit the tower?

Check your facts seeker.

And while you're at it, chew on these:

My Darn Good Resume, Accomplishments as President

By GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE, USA

. I attacked and took over two countries.

. I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.

. I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.

. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

. I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

. I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president in US history.

. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

. I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.

. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other president in US history.

. I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

. I cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.

. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending
increases, more than any other president in US history.

. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

. I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of Congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

. I withdrew from the International Criminal Court.

. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

. I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

. I set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for gov't contracts.

. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

. In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.

. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down, record unemployment being the most recent achievement.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas drug conviction has been erased and is not available).

. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.

. I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

. All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

And as far as the victims go, the tragedy is the failure to properly investigate.

Why has your president blocked attempts to produce and independent investigation of 9/11 seeker?

posted 09-11-2003 10:44 AM            

yes, these are the legacies that Dumpya has left us with.

He is a stupid religious fanatic, with a lot of ruptured brain cells from too much alcohol, cocaine, and aspartame.

I feel so much safer now.

posted 09-11-2003 11:34 AM            

Notr erased.
Check records at:
Harrison County courthouse
Baytown Texas

About the time Jimmy Carter fired George HW Bush as head of our evil auntie cia.

Dubya arrived in a group of black limos.
Everyone was shooed out of the courthouse.
He walked in with a possession of c* with intent to sell conviction/ walked out with a new SSN and new Drivers' License number.

His community service "helping inner city kids" / is the only remaining public evidence.

Wanna bet that courthouse has a mini Reichstag fire after this is read by the watchers?

posted 09-11-2003 12:54 PM            

They can erase his drug convictions, but can't erase that blank stare and smirk.

posted 09-11-2003 02:09 PM            

I feel very sad for the people who have lost love ones, and unwittingly got caught in a global dominance game.

New York Recalls Sept. 11 Amid New Terror Alert
Thu September 11, 2003 01:30 PM ET


By Grant McCool and Mark Egan
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bells rang across New York and moments of silence were observed on Thursday at an emotional ceremony to remember the 2,792 people killed at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 two years ago, when hijacked planes destroyed the 110-story twin towers.

The solemn ceremony marked the anniversary at the site now called Ground Zero as the State Department in Washington urged caution among Americans overseas due to growing indications the Islamist al Qaeda network, blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks, was planning even "more devastating" attacks.

In New York thousands of victims' relatives, some holding flowers and portraits of their loved ones, took part in the ceremony, which lasted over three hours. Some wore T-shirts showing portraits of the dead, police and firefighters wore dress uniforms, bagpipes were played and many were tearful.

By the gaping hole where New York's tallest buildings once stood, the children of those who perished read out the names of the dead, leaving many family members wracked with tears.

The children stood at a dais two by two, some wearing suits but most dressed casually, and read out the names, sometimes stumbling over pronunciations, each sequence ending with a child reading out the name of their dead mother, father, uncle, brother, sister or other relation.

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About 3,000 children lost a parent in the attacks.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg began the ceremony saying that the children carried "the bright promise of tomorrow."

"Today again we are a city that mourns, we come here to honor those that we lost and to remember this day with sorrow," Bloomberg said. "But we also remember with pride, and from that comes our resolve to go forward."

And quoting Poet Laureate Billy Collins' poem "The Names," about the tragic human loss of Sept. 11, he said, "So many names, there is barely room on the walls of the heart."

Bells rang and silence was observed at 8:46 a.m. EDT to mark the moment when the first plane hit one tower and at 9:03 a.m., when the second hijacked airliner crashed into the other tower and again at 9:59 a.m. and 10:29 a.m. when each tower crumbled.

MOMS, DADS, SONS, DAUGHTERS

In Washington, President Bush attended a service to remember the victims of the New York attacks and of two other hijacked planes that day -- one that crashed into the Pentagon, killing 189 people, and the other into a field in Pennsylvania, where 44 lives were lost.

"We remember lives lost. We remember the heroic deeds. We remember the compassion, the decency of our fellow citizens on that terrible day," Bush said after a service near the White House. "We pray for the husbands and wives, the moms and dads, and the sons and daughters and loved ones."

In Shanksville, Pennsylvania, church bells tolled at 10:06 a.m. to mark the moment the plane plunged to earth after passengers apparently fought to regain control from hijackers. About 50 people sang "America the Beautiful."

In New York, Phil Rosenblatt, who lost his sister Muriel Siskopolous, said, "I feel like when I am here she is here with me too. The pain never goes away."

Rudolph Giuliani, dubbed "America's Mayor" for his skillful leadership in the city's darkest hour, invoked the fighting spirit of Britain's World War II leader. "Winston Churchill ... always believed, and we believe, that people who live in freedom have something to live for, something to fight for and even something to die for, and they will prevail over those that live in oppression."

Relatives walked to the bottom of the 16-acre site to lay flowers where the World Trade Center once stood, now a vast construction site and the city's open wound from the attacks, blamed on the Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.

At the Pentagon, 20,000 military and civilian workers were silent at 9:37 a.m. to mark the moment a hijacked plane crashed into the symbol of American military might. At nearby Arlington National Cemetery, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dedicated a new burial marker for those killed.

Emotions in New York are still raw with most residents fearful of another attack. Some feel the Bush administration covered up the extent of environmental damage and some victims' relatives are angry over rebuilding plans on the scarred site.

And some relatives object that the loss of their loved ones was used to justify wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

posted 09-11-2003 06:56 PM            

that's a forum rule your so happy to break...

and yeah us cox guys are quite the bit better than you commiecast and UNintelLIGENT users...

you seen to think you know things I don't...

you are fooling yourself...