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Topic: Questions for the Council | Topic page views:
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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 75 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 10:22 AM
Is there a term limit for the members of the council? Is there going to be a formal re-election process at the end of the terms, however long they may be? Why are the council debates conducted in secret? Frankly, I find the actions of the Council regarding seeker somewhat troubling. I ask myself who is next?

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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ 843 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 12:03 PM
Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee....
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Thermit
Tech

Houston, TX 2625 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-12-2003 12:11 PM
Is there a term limit for the members of the council?No. Is there going to be a formal re-election process at the end of the terms, however long they may be? Yes. Whenever needed. Why are the council debates conducted in secret? For the same reason they don't allow cameras in the jury deliberation room.

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Mech
Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA 4019 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 12:13 PM
People come and go all the time at CTC..so what's the need for term limits?
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 496 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 09-12-2003 12:38 PM
It might not be a bad idea to have a yearly review. Maybe some might like give up the post and maybe others might want in. Maybe members might want to be heard about council people.
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Feelin Kocky
A Member

Underground Weather Control Bunker 501 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 01:25 PM
>>For the same reason they don't allow cameras in the jury deliberation room.<<At least a jury is a jury of peers. It is not the case here IMO. Would OJ have been more or less likely to be convicted if his wife's family made up the whole jury? F.K.

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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 75 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 01:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Feelin Kocky: >>For the same reason they don't allow cameras in the jury deliberation room.<<At least a jury is a jury of peers. It is not the case here IMO. Would OJ have been more or less likely to be convicted if his wife's family made up the whole jury? F.K.
The other key difference is that a jury conducts deliberations after the trial, which is held in open court.
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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 75 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 01:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by swamp gas: Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee....
Why don't you cite the whole quote: From "Devotions upon Emergent Occasions" (1623), XVII: Nunc Lento Sonitu Dicunt, Morieris - "Now, this bell tolling softly for another, says to me: Thou must die." PERCHANCE he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that. The church is Catholic, universal, so are all her actions; all that she does belongs to all. When she baptizes a child, that action concerns me; for that child is thereby connected to that body which is my head too, and ingrafted into that body whereof I am a member. And when she buries a man, that action concerns me: all mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated; God employs several translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some by war, some by justice; but God's hand is in every translation, and his hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where every book shall lie open to one another. As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come, so this bell calls us all; but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness. There was a contention as far as a suit (in which both piety and dignity, religion and estimation, were mingled), which of the religious orders should ring to prayers first in the morning; and it was determined, that they should ring first that rose earliest. If we understand aright the dignity of this bell that tolls for our evening prayer, we would be glad to make it ours by rising early, in that application, that it might be ours as well as his, whose indeed it is. The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth; and though it intermit again, yet from that minute that this occasion wrought upon him, he is united to God. Who casts not up his eye to the sun when it rises? but who takes off his eye from a comet when that breaks out? Who bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this world? No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Neither can we call this a begging of misery, or a borrowing of misery, as though we were not miserable enough of ourselves, but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbours. Truly it were an excusable covetousness if we did, for affliction is a treasure, and scarce any man hath enough of it. No man hath affliction enough that is not matured and ripened by it, and made fit for God by that affliction. If a man carry treasure in bullion, or in a wedge of gold, and have none coined into current money, his treasure will not defray him as he travels. Tribulation is treasure in the nature of it, but it is not current money in the use of it, except we get nearer and nearer our home, heaven, by it. Another man may be sick too, and sick to death, and this affliction may lie in his bowels, as gold in a mine, and be of no use to him; but this bell, that tells me of his affliction, digs out and applies that gold to me: if by this consideration of another's danger I take mine own into contemplation, and so secure myself, by making my recourse to my God, who is our only security. 
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ 843 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 02:00 PM
quote: The other key difference is that a jury conducts deliberations after the trial, which is held in open court.
Everybody got a chance to vote, and it seems that there are more of chemtrail activists than debunkers. End of that story. Are you expecting a Supreme Court Coup to come in and save the day, and overide popular opinion?
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Wolf_Larson
Senior Member

The Sea 75 posts, Aug 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 02:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by swamp gas: Everybody got a chance to vote, and it seems that there are more of chemtrail activists than debunkers. End of that story.Are you expecting a Supreme Court Coup to come in and save the day, and overide popular opinion?
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Everyone got a chance to vote on what? The warning to Seeker? Really, I didn’t see that thread, what forum was it in. Oh, you mean the election of the secret council. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t the voting for that held on the restricted chemtrails forum? 
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ 843 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 02:46 PM
You are correct Wolf on that it was the chemtrail activist forum.You know what? This is a Chemtrail Activist site. If you don't like it, change the dial. Or better yet, start a debunker or Neo-Con website. Seriously, I don't want to engage in a spitting contest, but that is an option. 
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Mech
Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA 4019 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 02:47 PM
Thats already been done... Its called Pub31
at ezboards home of fastwalker/cydoniaquest, seeker/lordvader33, and topgun69/maverick goose But i'm warning you..if you go there..you will be banned if Mav doesnt like you like he did to me.
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ 843 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 03:13 PM
Mech,Maverick's House of Pain is only to look at from a distance, like a caged wolverine. BTW, who is Wolf_Larson over there?
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the professor
quit your crying, it's not that bad

heartland USA 806 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 07:23 PM
I know who! But I think Larson has some rather interesting points made. The analogy of a communistic board over a so called democratic is hitting the nail on the head in alot of aspects.
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Feelin Kocky
A Member

Underground Weather Control Bunker 501 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 10:07 PM
>>You know what? This is a Chemtrail Activist site.<<Curious... This is on the top of the main page to this site: >>...Searching for Answers in the Chemtrail Issue...<< Searching for answers is best accomplished by a lively debate with facts. Booting the "non-believers" is a sure fire way to lose your credibility. I understand that you have to remove the unruley. That goes without saying. But I have not seen much evenhandedness(sp) from the "committee" so far. There is far less tolerance toward the "debunkers" as with the believers, IMO. F.K. 
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Chem11
megasprayer news

The Homeland 1335 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-12-2003 10:09 PM
Then you shouldn't have taken part in the election, the professor, should you? The idea that a general election won by popular vote is in any way communistic, in the politcal sense, is laughably absurd.No one on that council was 'appointed', or bought there way in with anyone else's money or influence. I'll spare everyone any tired analogy between that and the current leadership of the US. If a chemtrail site governed by chemtrail activists, researchers and observers elected by people concerned with chemtrails isn't democratic enough for you, then go elsewhere. No is going to get banned by the council unless they violate some pretty simple and straightforward rules. If, on the other hand, someone decides that this forum is just another bathroom wall to scribble their crudely rendered profanities across, then there stay is liable to be a short one, I suspect. 
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the professor
quit your crying, it's not that bad

heartland USA 806 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 09-12-2003 10:41 PM
QUOTEIf, on the other hand, someone decides that this forum is just another bathroom wall to scribble their crudely rendered profanities across, then there stay is liable to be a short one, I suspect or if you disagree with 70% of the over paranoid patrons of this site, this has been common among you guys who think your doing a service by adding to false misconceptions. The recent bannings were done plainly to squelch opposing veiws and to say your democratic in this respect is what is truly laughable. I've sat and watched people here say they're constitution believing super patriots but yet have no clue to how our system works, I've watched many here claim to be fighters and defenders of life (this def can be broad) but hate anybody who is prolife I've read posts that were obvious lies and watched how it was gobbled up and bitterly defended by the ill logic. Some claim this site is an alternative, but to what? the norm or mainstream just dosn't cut it anymore I guess, oh but wait the evil government or should I just say Bush is scapegoat for everything, nevermind anybody taking personal responsibility, and if the NWO exists (which to a degree does in my opinion) how come no one blames the others involved like the tri lateral commision, the U.N., Rockafellers, the banking system and so forth. And no I don't work for the FBI 
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shatoga
Agent Provocateur
640 posts, Nov 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 11:12 PM
A lot of posters who might be mainstream at FreeRepublic are dubunkers here. I wonder why?Not partisan viewpoints? After all they are the same people who saw conspiracies up the ying-yang when Clintonn was president. What has changed? All conspiracies magically went away when herr Bush was appointed?
Chemtrails are an observable fact. anyone posting here who denies the obvious has another agenda....
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Chem11
megasprayer news

The Homeland 1335 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-12-2003 11:33 PM
quote: The recent bannings were done plainly to squelch opposing veiws and to say your democratic in this respect is what is truly laughable
I dislike repeating myself, and this should be plainly obvious to everyone else, but let me point out the bleeding obvious one.. last.. time... No one can be banned for expressing an 'opposing view' (whatever that means). The only way to get banned is by violating forum rules. Stay between the lines and you won't have a problem. This website is not government (public) property, it's private property and the people that own it, administer it, and use it have made the decision on the direction this site is going to take. And If you're going to badmouth "70% percent" of the people here, then maybe you're in the wrong place (unless you're just playing games and looking for broadband shoving matches to distract yourself with, in which case you're definately lost). A big change? Sure. But that's the way it's going to be and I'm sure not wasting any more of my own ever-dwindling time debating something that is no longer up for debate. And yes, I mean that in the larger sense, as well as the administrative. 
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Mech
Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA 4019 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 09-12-2003 11:37 PM
PROFESSOR QUOTE:Some claim this site is an alternative, but to what? the norm or mainstream just dosn't cut it anymore I guess, oh but wait the evil government or should I just say Bush is scapegoat for everything, nevermind anybody taking personal responsibility, and if the NWO exists (which to a degree does in my opinion) how come no one blames the others involved like the tri lateral commision, the U.N., Rockafellers, the banking system and so forth. And no I don't work for the FBI."" UHHH...Professor.. On this site EVERYWHERE are articles posted abot the UN, TC, Federal reserve, Rockafellers, CFR, WTO, IMF..AD INFINITUM. Who are you trying to fool? Abd by the way. Bush and Clinton are EQUALLY commited to the NWO. People here are banned for not following the forum rules..CLEARLY STATED. After all..it is THERMITS board. Can't deal with the rules? Leave.

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the professor
quit your crying, it's not that bad

heartland USA 806 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 09-13-2003 12:24 AM
Can't take it when your proven wrong can't ya? didn't think you could.
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Mech
Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA 4019 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 09-13-2003 12:31 AM
Just where did you "prove me wrong" about in YOUR eyes? Be specific.
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graeme
Senior Member
Sebastopol, CA, USA 171 posts, May 2003
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posted 09-13-2003 01:05 AM
I'm probably going to get bashed for this, but I'd like to toss my two cents on the table: it's easy when you're in charge to make things how you want them. That's what Bush & Co. are doing, that's what Clinton & Co. did, and that's what the "activists" are doing here (referring to previous analogies). I'm gonna turn into a deluded dingbat if all I got is the gaiacomm/Jim Phelps channel. I prefer to have someone make me think real hard about what I believe and why I believe it. I don't care much for some of the folks who've been banned from here, but they sure made me examine my arguments and I think that is worth something. I suggest we all thicken our skin a bit and if someone's getting under it, take a break- I'm sure we could all find something more productive to do for awhile. Of course, I haven't been around here much this summer and don't know all that's transpired, so maybe my two cents are only worth one. 
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Chem11
megasprayer news

The Homeland 1335 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-13-2003 02:03 AM
Hi Graeme. My name's Chem. How ya' doing? I post here occasionally and I'm on the Council of Nine.I hope you don't mind if I take the liberty of re-posting something that I (and Mech, also on the Co9) have posted several times already on this thread. I guess you must have missed it somehow... No one can be banned for expressing an 'opposing view'. The only way to get banned is by violating forum rules. I'm going to be saying it in my sleep pretty soon...
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