posted 10-06-2003 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by gaiacomm:
Again I ask that we all find solutions to our woes rather than create confusion and post fear and lies just to gain attention or some sort of ego lift. Or maybe attempting to con people into buying something that just does not work. But it sure makes someone rich!

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Is this a confession Dr?

I see you have now changed your stance on the US, it is now under threat, what happened to the US being the threat? Did that just change overnight since you got a contract with the US Gov?

You have still not answered my question about the effectiveness of Orgone as a material to block your inventions. Now this would be offering something of value to the chemtrail network and indeed myself. It is a very apt time that you of all people could help us resolve the debate about orgone. Perhaps it is just a placebo effect to help increase the power of the mind or loose fear, maybe it is just a form of empowerment in this Orwelian world. So which ever way you look at it, its a powerful tool. Would you not agree?

So I do not see what your problem is if people make money out of helping other people empower themselves. You will obviously make money out of HAARP II and so why not the people who are fighting your efforts.

As you are still ignoring my questions regarding orgone is it
1) You don't know the answer
2) You do know the answer(but are telling lies)
3) You can prove that Orgone does not work

So far my empirical research has been positive. My chembuster does indeed destroy chemtrails. I have no way of knowing yet what effect my tower busters have had on the towers I have gifted, but it sure makes me feel like I am doing something while everyone else is in denial or seeing no major forms of activism.

Now I know you must feel a little stupid after saying that Orgone produces DOR, but hey we all make mistakes. You did say you are here to help the activists or has that now changed since you are a part of the dumbing down machine?

posted 10-06-2003 03:12 AM               

Any comments on it Gaiacomm?

TOTAL BLACKOUT IN ITALY CAUSED BY CHEMTRAIL SPRAYINGS?

9/28/03 2:15:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
TOTAL BLACKOUT IN ITALY CAUSED BY CHEMTRAIL SPRAYINGS?

Starting from last night, Sept. 27, 2003, at 2:00 GMT, all of Italy except Sicily remained without electrical current due to national grid failure.

Isn't it rather interesting that yesterday morning (local time), i.e. the day before the blackout occurred, a massive chemtrail spraying started over here in Croatia, which is just about a hundred kilometres to the east over the Adriatic from Italy.

This was the first such spraying in months. It was done to stretch the south-west limb of protruberance that was at that time passing over eastern Europe and Russia - towards the Italian peninsula. So I assume that the same spraying that was going on here was going on over there in Italy as well.

As clouds immediately formed, this indicated that BaOH was being sprayed. BaOH is easily ionized by solar radiation (and it was a clear, sunny day), which in turn increases lower-atmosphere conductivity from 3 to 20 times, a fact that was discovered by Clifford E. Carnicom and published in his article at:

hddf://carnicom.com/elf33.htm

This, locally, could facilitate bleeding of energy towards the ground and/or to the clouds and cause short circuits at high-voltage installations (by itself or artificially) that are at the higher altitudes at which such artificial cloud formations hang, (this can be as low as 800 metres above sea level) causing sudden power drains that, because of shortage of power sources (in Italy many hydroelectric and thermal power plants are shut down due to drought), could have been a cause of domino-effect-type blackout.

Italian news this morning said that the cause of the blackout is still unknown, but that it was caused by failure on the lines that are used to import electrical energy from the rest of Europe. And northern Italy is made of mountains.

The same scenario could explain recent blackouts in the U.S. and England because these two countries have major chemtrail- spraying density of this type. By doing it, among other things, they try to lock humidity over their territories.

posted 10-06-2003 09:57 AM               

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Originally posted by suckingeggs:
Is this a confession Dr? (NO)

I see you have now changed your stance on the US, it is now under threat, what happened to the US being the threat? (THE US NEEDS OUR HELP TO PROTECT IT) Did that just change overnight since you got a contract with the US Gov? (YES IT HAS)

You have still not answered my question about the effectiveness of Orgone as a material to block your inventions.( ORGONE DOES NOT BLOCK THE HAARP/GAIACOMM PROJECT, WE ARE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT RADIATION MEDIUM THIS TIME) Now this would be offering something of value to the chemtrail network and indeed myself. It is a very apt time that you of all people could help us resolve the debate about orgone.( I WILL IN DUE TIME) Perhaps it is just a placebo effect to help increase the power of the mind or loose fear, maybe it is just a form of empowerment in this Orwelian world. So which ever way you look at it, its a powerful tool. Would you not agree? (YES I DO AGREE)

So I do not see what your problem is if people make money out of helping other people empower themselves.(ITS THE PRODUCT OR SRVICE THAT HAS NO DIRECT MERIT IS WHAT CONCERNS ME) You will obviously make money out of HAARP II and so why not the people who are fighting your efforts.( YES I WILL MAKE MONEY OUT OF HAARP 2, BUT I WILL RE INVEST MY PROFITS BACK INTO PEOPLE NOT THINGS OF DESIRE!

As you are still ignoring my questions regarding orgone is it
1) You don't know the answer (NO)
2) You do know the answer(but are telling lies)(NO)
3) You can prove that Orgone does not work (YES..TO SOME CLAIMS)

So far my empirical research has been positive. My chembuster does indeed destroy chemtrails. I have no way of knowing yet what effect my tower busters have had on the towers I have gifted, but it sure makes me feel like I am doing something while everyone else is in denial or seeing no major forms of activism. (KEEP IT UP)

Now I know you must feel a little stupid after saying that Orgone produces DOR, but hey we all make mistakes.( YES WE DO) You did say you are here to help the activists or has that now changed since you are a part of the dumbing down machine?(NO, I AM HELPING)

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posted 10-06-2003 10:06 AM               

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Originally posted by halva:
Dr. Nikos Katsaros of the Democritus research institute in Athens sent the following news item to a journalist at an Athenian mass circulation newspaper who then telephoned me to ask me to translate it into Greek. (Journalists covering chemtrails are still too marginal to be given paid bilingual secretarial help).

Any comments on it Gaiacomm? HALVA; WE ALL KNOW THAT CHEMICAL RELEASES IN THE ATMOSPHERE CAN CAUSE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT TO FAIL OR BE SLIGHTLY DAMAGED ESPECIALLY IF IT IS OLD, OUTDATE AND A BUILD UP OF MOLOECULES THAT ATTACH THEMSELVES TO SORT OF THINGS AND OF COURSE EVENTUALLY CAUSES PROBLEMS WITH ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. I DO NOT KNOW IF THESE INCIDENTS CAUSED THE DIRECT BLACKOUT BUT I AM SURE THEY ADDED TO THE PROBLEM,,,LIKE SNOW ON A POWER LINE TURNING TO ICE! THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY THIS BLACKOUT OCCURED AND IT HAS BEEN BREWING AWHILE...BUT DO NOT RULE OUT HUMAN ERROR OR HUMAN INTERFERENCE DIRECTLY CAUSING THE BLACKOUT, INCLUDING DUMPING FUEL IN THE AIR. HALVA...GREAT FINE! TRANSLATION IS A GIFT!

TOTAL BLACKOUT IN ITALY CAUSED BY CHEMTRAIL SPRAYINGS?

9/28/03 2:15:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
TOTAL BLACKOUT IN ITALY CAUSED BY CHEMTRAIL SPRAYINGS?

Starting from last night, Sept. 27, 2003, at 2:00 GMT, all of Italy except Sicily remained without electrical current due to national grid failure.

Isn't it rather interesting that yesterday morning (local time), i.e. the day before the blackout occurred, a massive chemtrail spraying started over here in Croatia, which is just about a hundred kilometres to the east over the Adriatic from Italy.

This was the first such spraying in months. It was done to stretch the south-west limb of protruberance that was at that time passing over eastern Europe and Russia - towards the Italian peninsula. So I assume that the same spraying that was going on here was going on over there in Italy as well.

As clouds immediately formed, this indicated that BaOH was being sprayed. BaOH is easily ionized by solar radiation (and it was a clear, sunny day), which in turn increases lower-atmosphere conductivity from 3 to 20 times, a fact that was discovered by Clifford E. Carnicom and published in his article at:

hddf://carnicom.com/elf33.htm

This, locally, could facilitate bleeding of energy towards the ground and/or to the clouds and cause short circuits at high-voltage installations (by itself or artificially) that are at the higher altitudes at which such artificial cloud formations hang, (this can be as low as 800 metres above sea level) causing sudden power drains that, because of shortage of power sources (in Italy many hydroelectric and thermal power plants are shut down due to drought), could have been a cause of domino-effect-type blackout.

Italian news this morning said that the cause of the blackout is still unknown, but that it was caused by failure on the lines that are used to import electrical energy from the rest of Europe. And northern Italy is made of mountains.

The same scenario could explain recent blackouts in the U.S. and England because these two countries have major chemtrail- spraying density of this type. By doing it, among other things, they try to lock humidity over their territories.

IZAKOVIC http://www.deepspace4.com

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posted 10-09-2003 06:03 PM               

I don't know you at all and am new here. I get the impression that some here regard you with suspicion. I have an idea what that can be like, some in this network believe i am a hotshot MI6 agent with an 00 license to kill and all that. Futile to deny it though i do.

I am presently impartial, and inclined to take as i find. My hope is to increase my understanding of things which concern and interest me, from someone who understands those things probably better than me.

I enjoyed science at school and still do, but as a mature student i read PPP so my approach to something like HAARP is as a layman. If i understand your position properly, i take it that at one time your work involved you in applications of HAARP hardware but since leaving the project you have come to a more negative view of it which include an awareness of it's baleful effects. Now you are embarked on a project in the private sector which has hopes of developing some sort of technological fix for some of that. I have bookmarked your website, and though i note there is nothing there at present i gather we might look there for future developments. Do i have that all about right? If so i certainly wish you well with it.

About 30yrs ago i used to give talks to small groups, about Reich and orgone. By way of practical demonstration i used to carry along a small ORAC which was simply many layers of steel wool and rock wool wrapped around an empty 1 gallon oil can. In the course of watching a 100 or so people put their arm in that thing i don't recall anyone who did not sense or react to something. At one end of a scale, those who Reich might have characterised as unarmoured might break into a broad smile as they said "what's that?". At the other end were those armoured ones who would whip their arm out as if scalded and regard me with deep, even hateful suspicion for the rest of the evening. These and the others in between were reacting to the sense--welcome or otherwise--of their own life energy, brought to notice on account of the impact upon it of this accumulation of 'that stuff'. This is readily understandable even in terms of the brief definition of orgone which you offered to enquiry earlier in this long thread. It is something easily proved by anyone curious but impartial and i don't think we need to waste time disputing the basic reality.

In these times there is the proliferation of so called orgone generators. These are based on the invention in 1993 of something dubbed 'orgonite' by Karl Welz. Essentially this is a compound of 50% powdered metals (ideally more than one) and powdered organic matter, the whole bound into a solid with organic resin. Welz's interest was to have something to power the radionic machines and programmes which he has also developed--personally i think that is a very valuable application but i don't intend to go down that road with this post and enquiry.

A 2 gallon lump of this orgonite with some 6' pipes sticking out of it is the now fairly well known chem or cloudbuster. When i put one of these in my back garden it was interesting to see after a few days that in an otherwise clear blue sky a white cross of artificial con or chem trail appeared above it. Very many others who have deployed these things report a similar observation. It is tempting to think that somehow those who mustered the aircraft which flew over were able to discern some energy signature of the device, and the aircrew switched the trail effect on and of to mark the spot. A CT debunker would say that it was just the coincidence of 2 flight paths intersecting at that spot which just happened to have the atmospheric properties to make the very ordinary contrail thing happen there. If that last was so, then it's tempting to think the device imparted that property to that very small piece of sky. Either way the point i want to make is that the device appears to exert an effect way up in the atmosphere above it--all this quite apart from later when the thing was established for a while often observable effects of it clearing a blue hole in an otherwise noxiously (and i think artificially created) overcast sky. Does that sound implausible to you, or would you think negative ion effects might account for these atmospheric effects?

Over the last year i've made quite a bit of this orgonite stuff and placed it in various situations. I've done this sometimes in such a way as to discount any placebo effect at least to my satisfaction, and have become sure that it somehow facilitates harmony in domestic situations and a raising of the ambience in stressed inner city situations. I have seen this occur even when people have no knowledge that it's there. This too, though is off topic really for this thread.

At any one time i am likely to have 6 or a dozen pieces of orgonite knocking about at home. I move them around from place to place. At present i count 5 pieces around or on the computer tower and monitor. It's neccessarily a subjective impression, but it is my sense that since doing this i can spend long periods on the computer without any of the ill effects--eye strain etc--which i used to get from that activity. The pieces which at any time are working near the computer or the TV are active and can be sensed and measured to be so. Other pieces around the bed or anywhere on the other hand don't appear to be active at all. They habituate it seems. Move them all around and they change fairly soon, in accord with their new roles.

Deploying these things in the field, in the hope of ameliorating the baleful effects of cell/MW/towers or electricity relay or substations etc, it is difficult to assess what happens. I am not claivoyant to 'see' the energy associated with these items as some allegedly are except in a few cases where it has really had to 'work hard'.

I realise that scientific orthodoxy is presently not inclined to favour aether theories about reality. I wonder what your position might be on that question. My take on it is only the somewhat informed intuition of the layman, but i incline to aether theories, perhaps after the approach of people like Harold Aspden or the Correa's. I am impressed by the weight of evidence for 'free' energy technologies which is out there for instance (i can't help but think, also, that someone else is also, or the true researchers in that area wouldn't be harassed or even dead , the way they are if it was all baloney)

I think that orgone, this omnipresent 'something' consists of or contains three forces. Affirming, denying and reconciling. These, more or less of each, are always harmoniously combined unless some status quo is upset. I incline to the notion that the thing which most assaults this status quo in our time and culture is the generation and consumption of electricity. Where ever this occurs, i suggest, at that actual locale this 3 force 'something' is ripped to bits, to of those forces + and -- are torn away to 'be electrical' to leave the 3rd with nothing to do but wreak havoc in local consciousness.

I'll not be surprised if you find this idea a little too wild for your taste, and feel inclined to write me off as bonkers. It's interesting to note though, that the few 'real' examples of life friendly 'free' energy generation demonstrate something peculiar which has got called cold electricity. It appears not to be or behave like conventional electricity. Motors and lamps need to be wound and designed differently to utilise it. The E.V.Gray motor and the testatika machines from Methernitha are two examples to check out in this regard.

Anyway given that we don't presently have those wiser technologies much available i wonder if it isn't the nature of orgonite to, when in it's presence, be simply stimulated by the orgonic imbalance alluded to and render it balanced. Such facts as i have been able to observe while using and putting the stuff about seem to me to support this notion anyway. I wonder how this seems to you, as a physicist?

Coming a little more down to earth i notice that here in the U.K. at least, such research as has been done into the possibilities of life negative effects from cell/MW/transmitters in the 0--300 Ghz range has concerned itself pretty much with thermal effects. I think this is so anyway. Given the self limiting nature of this research it is classically predictable that they find not a lot to worry about. And yet the evidence as to the ill effects upon bio-fields of these energies at large continues to pile up--i imagine you are more aware of it than i. Just today i was told of a study which finds that a 17.5hz modulation pulsed transmission on a carrier wave in the above range is associated with inducing severe calcium loss in the brain. That's handy, since 17.5hz is the frequency used in the expanding TETRA tower network in this country, a dedicated network exclusively for police, emergency, and other social support functions use over here.

I come finally to part of the main question i wanted to run by you.I recently learned that the NRPD which is the body responsible in this country for commisioning such research in the public interest, published a report back in May this year. It contains the acknowledgement of something which they say may be responsible for negative effects but it has not been researched. This is the possibility that these square wave pulses may damage brain structures through non linear resonating effects. My intuition is that that possibility is almost certainly the reality. Non linear resonance effects are probably a large and significant part of this story--in respect of both towers and HAARP. I am interested to hear what your response to this notion might be, as a scientist with your expertise in the general area.

Some people are convinced that some at any rate of these ubiquitous towers are there for the express purpose of doing damage to and controlling people. Lord knows there are enough patents out there proving the know how exists along with the will and intent that has funded the r and d. I see no reason to completely dismiss this idea, history certainly tells us that humanity is likely to be this vicious. So another question arises, were such ends sought (and i am not suggesting that you know one way or the other--though a blown whistle is always pleasant to hear) could this non linear resonant aspect even be a design parameter to encompass these very ends--of brain damage or control. Is that a totally flawed idea or not?

Lastly, to pull some of this together a bit, i would be curious also at your scientists response to this idea. I think it impossible that orgonite could have any effect on the actual square wave pulse itself of any data transmission, but i think it could be possible that it contain or locally eliminate the non linear resonant correlate of that pulse--render it at least other than life-negative.

I know, for instance, of other work out there where stochastic non linear resonant effects are used for powerfully beneficial and life affirming effects on bio-fields, and orgonite is used to energise them--here we are back full circle to Welz's idea and radionics. A good place to stop.

Finally it feels appropriate to emphasise again that i'm a layman, so if i've used some of these long words in a way that even makes sense or it even sounds as if i know what i'm talking about, it is likely more by luck than judgement. If i am completely off the wall with any of this i'm more than happy to learn it.

posted 10-12-2003 09:27 PM            

Your website DOES have a nice new look to it. But as far as I can tell, there is no new information posted. Is your affiliation with Homeland Security supposed to give us peace of mind with regards to your project? I’m assuming your affiliation has no problem with your recent history of words posted AGAINST the U.S.A.? Frankly, this whole thing makes me quite nervous.

posted 10-13-2003 01:14 PM            

When you first came on this board, you told everyone you were going to expose this, expose that, and then did an about face and did not say much of anything. As a matter of fact, you did not say much of anything since those beginning days that some of us “non-individuals” here didn’t already know. That alone is enough reason to make me doubt your motives. Sorry, but you set the precedent yourself.

Regardless, I wish you nothing but good will with your project. Peace!

posted 10-13-2003 03:35 PM               

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Originally posted by JerseyBluEyz:
Doc: First of all, fear does not control my life. You have no idea of the state of my mind or spirit.( THAT IS TRUE) You can insult me all you want because your opinion does not change any aspect of my reality. (I DID NOT DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO YOU!) The same way you are against people that are ignorant and follow false beliefs is the EXACT reason I stated my thoughts above.(I KNOW) It is everyone’s right to look for answers when things don’t seem right, AND to expose their findings as well.(YES I AGREE) Every person has a function in this reality be it as a leader or as a follower.(YES THAT IS TRUE) Who are you to judge someone’s worth or their purpose? (JUST MAKING AN OPNION STATEMENT) Besides, since when is bringing others to an alternate state of awareness the wrong thing to do – its serves its function as well. (YES IT DOES) Why does that make me a non-individual? (I DON'T KNOW) That is exactly what MAKES me an individual. I do not walk around listening to what others tell me to think – I review facts and make up my own mind. Yes, I do make mistakes sometimes too.(YES WE DO)

When you first came on this board, you told everyone you were going to expose this, expose that, and then did an about face and did not say much of anything.(THAT IS BECAUSE OF NATIONAL SECURITY) As a matter of fact, you did not say much of anything since those beginning days that some of us “non-individuals” here didn’t already know. (I KNOW) That alone is enough reason to make me doubt your motives.(YES I UNDERSTAND) Sorry, but you set the precedent yourself. (I KNOW I DID)

Regardless, I wish you nothing but good will with your project.(THANK YOU) Peace!

P.S. The technology to destroy us all already exists (and I do not mean nuclear or biological)( YOU ARE RIGHT).

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