posted 09-22-2003 02:37 PM            

I have been puzzling over the concept of the Illuminati for a while.

Before I start I would like to establish some definitions of the key concepts here. Some of this is semantics, but I want to be as clear as I can.

Elite: Cambridge dictionary online defines elite as “the richest, most powerful, best educated or most highly trained group in a society:”

Note that the term can be used as both a noun and as an adjective. The adjective form of the word does not concern me. I think we all understand that a sentence like “The pro bowl is played by an elite group of football players,” does not mean that there are football players who are members of the Illuminati.

There are, however, subtle distinctions in the way the term is used in its noun form. On one hand it can be used in a narrow sense to indicate a discrete group of persons imbued with “elite” status, on the other hand, it can be used in a broad sense to indicate a general concept. For example, compare the two sentences

“A group of technology company CEO elites have gathered at the Essex Hotel for a three day seminar on the use of technology to improve the human condition.”

“The elites of American technology have led the world in improving the human condition.”

The difference between the two uses is subtle, but it exists. In the first example, the term “elite” is used to indicate a distinct group of people. If you had the roster of attendees to the seminar, you would have a definitive list of who the “elite” are.

In the second example, the term describes a much broader group, with no real boundaries. Just who are the technology elite? Does it include the CEOs, the CFOs, the scientists, the inventors, the investors, the entrepreneurs? The list is amorphous and potentially endless. Some might say that I am splitting hairs here, but I think that it is an important distinction to make.

In the first example the term could be use to describe a group with a specific agenda. However, the broad nature of the second usage precludes this (there is no specific agenda to improve the human condition, such improvements have come in conjunction with other things)

Many of the quotes supplied by Mech in support of his belief in the Illuminati use the term elite in its broadest sense. Ultimately, context is the key. Not only do you have to look at the context of the sentence and/ or the paragraph in which it is used, you also have to look at the statement in the context (in the broadest possible sense) of which it was prepared and delivered. That is why those quotes are of limited value in judging the validity of the concept of the Illuminati

For my purposes, I will not use the term elite except in it broadest meaning. Instead, I will use the more popular term “Illuminati.”

Illuminati (AKA: TPTB, NWO, etc.) The Dictionary.com entry for the term Illuminati is as follows
Literally, those who are enlightened; -- variously applied as follows:

1. (Eccl.) Persons in the early church who had received baptism; in which ceremony a lighted taper was given them, as a symbol of the spiritual illumination they has received by that sacrament.

2. (Eccl. Hist.) Members of a sect which sprung up in Spain about the year 1575. Their principal doctrine was, that, by means of prayer, they had attained to so perfect a state as to have no need of ordinances, sacraments, good works, etc.; -- called also Alumbrados, Perfectibilists, etc.

3. (Mod. Hist.) Members of certain associations in Modern Europe, who combined to promote social reforms, by which they expected to raise men and society to perfection, esp. of one originated in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, professor of canon law at Ingolstadt, which spread rapidly for a time, but ceased after a few years.

4. Also applied to: (a) An obscure sect of French Familists; (b) The Hesychasts, Mystics, and Quietists; (c) The Rosicrucians.

5. Any persons who profess special spiritual or intellectual enlightenment.
   

None of these is particularly applicable to the way the term is used on this board, so I will supply my own.

As I understand it, the term Illuminati refers to a group whose sole purpose is world domination. The group’s origins are not exactly clear, it may or may not be related the historic group referred to as the Illuminati from the 18th century. At any rate, the group has been around for a number of years and operates within the upper echelons of the government, banking, manufacturing and business sectors of our society. The group is secretive and exclusive. Neither the true size of the group or its organizational structure is known.

This group is the antithesis of altruism. It will stop at nothing to get its way. While the actual membership of the group is not known, there are several persons who are suspected of being either Illuminati or at least under the control of them. These include the last four U.S. presidents, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powel, Al Haig, The Bin Laden Family, The entire board of directors for all of the major media corporations (including al Jazeera). The late Sam Walton, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, The Forbes family, the Ford family, The Busch family (This Bud’s for you!), and Michael Jordon. (O.K. I made those last ones up, but then again, who knows?)

The key points are:

• The group is large. Or at least they are large enough to be able to effectively control a large portion of the “Free World.”

• Loyalty and obedience to the group is total. This is necessary, because. . .

• The group is secret. No one has ever successfully “defected” from the group. There is no direct evidence of the existence of this group, only rumor and innuendo.

• The group is powerful and influential enough to affect the workings of both national and local government.

• The group is diverse. Not only does it exert control over the government and the major media outlets, but it also has considerable control over the private sector as well.

Next, the Illuminati Organization

posted 09-22-2003 06:55 PM            

What is the Illuminati?????????????

There is a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals (at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated by the British Crown) whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda. Their intention is to effect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by 5.5 Billion people. While the name New World Order is the term most frequently used today when referring to this group, it's more useful to identify the principal organizations, institutions, and individuals who make up this vast interlocking spiderweb of elite conspirators.

The Illuminati is the oldest term commonly used to refer to the 13 bloodline families (and their offshoots) that make up a major portion of this controlling elite. Most members of the Illuminati are also members in the highest ranks of numerous secretive and occult societies which in many cases extend straight back into the ancient world. The upper levels of the tightly compartmentalized (need-to-know-basis) Illuminati structuralpyramid include planning committees and organizations that the public has little or no knowledge of. The upper levels of the Illuminati pyramid include secretive committees with names such as: the Council of 3, the Council of 5, the Council of 7, the Council of 9, the Council of 13, the Council of 33, the Grand Druid Council, the Committee of 300 (also called the "Olympians") and the Committee of 500 among others.

In 1992, Dr John Coleman published Conspirators Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300. With laudable scholarship and meticulous research, Dr Coleman identifies the players and carefully details the Illuminati agenda of worldwide domination and control. On page 161 of the Conspirators Hierarchy, Dr Coleman accurately summarizes the intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows:

"A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population.
There will be no middle class, only rulers and the servants. All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of laws, backed up by a One World Government police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system will be on the basis of a welfare state; those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live; those who are rebellious will simple be starved to death or be declared outlaws, thus a target for anyone who wishes to kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited."

The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned (brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences that were created by the Mother of All mind control organizations: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier (The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines ) says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides", Springmeier reports, is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand. For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" often solicits a slide response with many people.

What most Americans believe to be "Public Opinion" is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public. Public opinion polls are really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of the Illuminati's planned programs. A strong showing in the polls tells the Illuminati that the programing is "taking", while a poor showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have to recast or "tweak" the programming until the desired response is achieved. While the thrust and content of the propaganda is decided at Tavistock, implementation of the propaganda is executed in the United States by well over 200 'think tanks' such as the Rand Corporation and the Brookings Institute which are overseen and directed by the top NWO mind control organization in the United States, the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in Menlo Park, California.

The NWO global conspirators manifest their agenda through the skillful manipulation of human emotions, especially fear. In the past centuries, they have repeatedly utilized a contrivance that NWO researcher and author David Icke has characterized in his latest book, The Biggest Secret, as Problem, Reaction, and Solution.

The technique is as follows: Illuminati strategists create the Problem- by funding , assembling, and training an "opposition" group to stimulate turmoil in an established political power (sovereign country, region, continent, etc.) that they wish to impinge upon and thus create opposing factions in a conflict that the Illuminati themselves maneuvered into existence. In recent decades, so called "opposition" groups are usually identified in the media as 'freedom fighters' or 'liberators' (recently the KLA-Kosovo Liberation Army).

At the same time, the leader of the established political power where the conflict is being orchestrated is demonized and, on cue, referred to as 'another Hitler' (take your pick: Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Kadaffi,Bin Laden etc.). The 'freedom fighters' are not infrequently assembled from a local criminal element (i.e. KLA, drug traffickers). In the spirit of true Machiavellian deceit, the same NWO strategists are equally involved in covertly arming and advising the leader of the established power as well (the Illuminati always profits from any armed conflict by loaning money, arming, and supplying all parties involved in a war).

The conflictor PROBLEM is drawn to the world stage by the controlled media outlets with a barrage of photos and video tape reports of horrific and bloody atrocities suffered by innocent civilians.(Men in shredders) The cry goes up "Something has to be done!" And That is the desired REACTION (note: the same technique is presently being used to bring about gun control in the United States).

The NWO puppeteers then provide the SOLUTION by sending in UN 'Peace Keepers' (Bosnia) or a UN 'Coalition Force' (Gulf War) or NATO Bombers and then ground troops (Kosovo). Once installed, the 'peace keepers' never leave (Bosnia, Kosovo). The idea is to have NWO controlled ground troops in all major countries or strategic areas where significant resistance to the New World Order takeover is likely to be encountered.

(UN TAKEOVER OCCUURING IN IRAQ)

East Timor, Indosnesia. (9/14/99) Virtually , the same strategy used to occupy Kosovo with UN/NATO troops was applied by the NWO manipulators to take military control of East Timor. Once again, the same morality play is trotted out for public consumption: the local evil and demonic Indonesian Army trained militias responsible for the slaughter of innocent civilians following the August 30 vote for Independence (from Indonesian control), must be stopped at all costs. This time, Australia (to keep up the appearance of an 'international' humantarian effort) will lead the charge with 'peacekeeping' troops. Of course, it didn't take long for Madeline Albright to announce that US 'support assets' will be part of the "UN Peacekeeping Team". In a front page story in the LA Times (9/13/99), Mike Jendrzejczyk of Human Rights Watch (an Illuminati front group) in Washington DC said that it's "crucial" that "peacekeepers have the authority to disarm militia forces and any Indonesian soldiers actively working with them". ]

The local, sovereign military force is either defeated (i.e. Yugoslavia) or, as in the case of the United States itself, replaced by foreign UN "Partnership For Peace" (PFP) troops who take over the jobs of US soldiers who have been sent overseas on 'peacekeeping' missions. In addition to being killed in ground conflicts on foreign soil, US military forces will likely be reduced in the next few years through disease induced attrition (i.e. from mandatory Anthrax Vaccinations required of all US military personnel). These vaccinations will, in all probability, eventually produce the symptoms of the so-called Gulf War Illness, which was acquired by a certain percentage of Gulf War soldiers who were given a "special" anthrax vaccine (intended by the Illuminati/CIA as a test run to ascertain how quickly (and fatally) the disease would progress with a substantial population of healthy young men and women).

The corporate portion of the NWO pyramid seems to be dominated by international bankers and the big pharmaceutical cartels, as well as other major multinational corporations. The Royal Family of England, namely Queen Elizabeth II and the House of Windsor, (who are, in fact, descendants of the German arm of European Royalty -the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family-changed the name to Windsor in 1914 ), are high level players in the oligarchy which controls the upper strata of the Illuminati. The decision making Illuminati nerve centers of this effort are in the London (especially the City of London), Basel Switzerland, and Brussels (NATO headquarters).

The United Nations, along with all the agencies working under the UN umbrella, such as the World Health Organization (WHO), are full time players in this scheme. Similarly, NATO is a military tool of the NWO.

The leaders of all major industrial countries like the United States, England, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, etc. (E.g. members of the "G7/G8" ) are active and fully cooperative participants in this conspiracy. In this century, the degree of control exerted by the Illuminati has advanced to the point that only certain hand-picked individuals, who are groomed and selected by the Illuminati are even eligible to become the prime minister or president of countries like England, Germany, or The United States. It didn't matter whether Bill Clinton or Bob Dole won the Presidency in 1996, the results would have been the same (except maybe for Zipper Gate ). Both men are playing on the same team for the same ball club. Anyone who isn't a team player is taken out: i.e.President Kennedy, Ali Bhutto (Pakistan) and Aldo Moro (Italy). More recently, Admiral Borda and William Colby were also killed because they were either unwilling to go along with the conspiracy to destroy America, weren't cooperating in some capacity, or were attempting to expose/ thwart the Takeover agenda.

Most of the major wars, political upheavals, and economic depression/recessions of the past 100 years (and earlier) were carefully planned and instigated by the machinations of these elites. They include The Spanish-American War (1898), World War I and World War II; TheGreat Depression; the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917; the Rise of Nazi Germany; the Korean War; the Vietnam War; the 1989-91"fall" of Soviet Communism, the 1991 Gulf War; and the recent War in Kosovo. Even the French Revolution was an orchestrated into existence by the Barvaian Illuminati and the House of Rothchild.

The "War on Drugs" is a cruel joke. The US government, specifically the CIA, is the biggest 'drug lord' on the planet. Drug money is used to pay for innumerable 'black projects', including the construction of huge underground cities housing people working with the secret (Shadow) US government.

The instigation of a trumped-up war as a cover for amassing fortunes can be dated back to at least the 12th Century when only a core group of nine members of an Illuminati group called the Knights Templar, the military arm of an Illuminati secret society known as the Priory of Sion, kicked off the The Crusades that lasted for over a century and a half. A rift later developed between the Templars and the Priory of Sion when Jerusalem was lost to Saracen Turks in 1187. In 1307, the king of France, Philippe the Fair (a Merovingian Illuminati), coveted the wealth and was jealous of the Templars' power. The French king, being a puppet of the Priory of Sion, set out to arrest all the Templars in France on October 13. While many Templars were seized and tortured, including their Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, many other Templars (who had been tipped off) escaped. They eventually resurfaced in Portugal, in Malta (as the Knights of Malta) and later in Scotland as The Scottish Rites of Free Masonry.

The acquisition and consolidation of ever greater wealth, natural resources, total political power, and control over others are the motivating forces which drives the decisions of the Illuminati. The toll in human suffering and the loss of innocent lives are non issues for these individuals.

They all see a NEW WORLD ORDER, ONE WORLD government run by a tiny Cabal.

No whitewash of the FACTS here.

posted 09-22-2003 09:07 PM            

Since we do not have any direct information of how the Illuminati is organized, we have to look at the various parameters under which (we assume) the Illuminati operates and try to fit know organizational structures to those parameters.

In particular we need to consider the various aspects of command and control that would be necessary to successfully operate an organization under the parameters previously discussed. For those of you who have worked in any sort of management capacity, or if you have ever taken a graduate level business management course or have simply worked for a large corporation, you can see the parallels here.

Leadership
This is the tough one, how is the leadership of the Illuminati organized? Is it a dictatorship under one person (who?), or is it set up along a business model with a board of directors under the guidance of a chairman? Is it a collection of families, ala the Costra Nostra, or is it some other organizational hierarchy.

As you can probably see, each of the above organizational forms has advantages and disadvantages over the others. A dictatorship (or "king" if you like) would probably be the most stable in terms of power as long as the leader has a group of strong, loyal supporters to back him (or her) up and as long as there is a strong leader alive. There are, however, obvious problems with investing too much power in a single person. Furthermore, all of the posts that I have read here regarding the Illuminati indicate a shadowy, diverse group. Furthermore, there would be obvious problems with the transfer of power upon the death of the leader that would preclude the long term success of this structure and the maintenance of loyalty, secrecy etc. (see part 3 for further discussion of the transfer of power).

These same problems also plague the "group of families" concept. You can see immediately that each group would have very divided loyalties toward the Illuminati as a whole versus their families. Settling control issues and power struggles would involve internecine conflicts much like the classic gang wars of the Mafia ("The Godfather" on a global scale).

The best bet is a leadership structure similar to a board of directors for a corporation (or a Council of Nine for a web forum ). There are still issues with distribution of power among the various board members, but at least there is the hope that some form of checks and balances can be maintained. Of course such a structure is dependant on middle management to implement its command and control policies. The bigger the organization, the bigger the waistline.

Middle Management
The next hurdle of course is how do the "Elite" of the "Elite" execute their policies and programs? You don’t expect "The Big Cheese" to call up the local agent in charge of county politics to say, "Hey listen we need to build a chemtrail chemical manufacturing plant in your county, but we need to keep quiet about it," especially not when the Illuminati tentacles are spread across the globe.

No, we need a middle management structure to implement the Illuminati’s policies and programs throughout the world. They can’t be excessively constrained by "need to know" restrictions either. Otherwise they would be wasting efforts, getting in each other’s way and so forth. In addition, the upper management levels shouldn’t be bothered with the need to micromanage the individual projects either. How big does this middle management cadre need to be? Answer: As big as necessary to get the job done.

Operations
Like any other large organization, there are operational issues that the Illuminati need to address. First and foremost is security. In order to keep the group secret, the level of security associated with all aspects of their operations must be phenomenal. On the other hand, it would not be prudent for the group to allow any one person too much control over security.

Communications needs to be another key element in the organizational structure. It is imperative that the leadership communicate effectively with their minions, and vice versa. At the same time the communications must be secure (see above). This is not an insurmountable obstacle, but it does add another layer of complexity to the organizational structure.

Finally there are the worker bees, the minions as it were, who effectively carry out the biding of their Illuminati masters This group would include the chemplane pilots and ground crews, the hired assassins, the professional "fixers," the various low level politicians, and other community leaders as required. These people can be effectively managed on a need to know basis. However, since they are unlikely to be motivated by loyalty to the Illuminati, probably because they are unaware that they are working for the Illuminati in the first place, they need to be motivated to perform their jobs. These motivations can be fear, money, sex, or whatever. We will then need some form of system to deliver the rewards bestowed by the illuminati onto the minions.

Finally there is the issue of organizational culture. As anyone who has ever worked for a large company can attest, over time, organizations develop distinctive cultures. In some cases, especially where a large organization has not had to face any significant competition or other pressure to change, these cultures can become hidebound and entrenched. The best example for this that I can think of is the bureaucratic morass that often inflicts government agencies.

Therefore, the question exists, how do the Illuminati keep their organization fresh, flexible and responsive to their needs? If, as the evidence suggests, the Illuminati have been in operation for several generations, then this is indeed an important and valid question. Since the key index of the Illuminati organizational success, security, remains intact. Apparently the Illuminati have successfully managed to avoid many of the traps that large business organizations fall into over time.

posted 09-22-2003 09:17 PM            

How does one become a member of the Illuminati? How is power transferred from one group or individual to another? These are valid questions we need to answer in order to understand the concept of the Illuminati.

Hereditary
One possibility is that the Illuminati consist of linked families that transfer power via the hereditary process. As we discussed in Part 2, this does not appear to be an effective method for transfer and maintenance of a powerful organization within the constraints under which the Illuminati must operate.

It was once a common belief that power could be transferred by hereditary succession. This was the basic principle behind the feudal system of government. All one has to do, however, is to look at the history of Europe in the middle ages to see fruits of this system. Civil strife, rebellion, wars of succession, regicide, fratricide, was rife during this period. In addition, there are/ were some serious inbreeding issues that diluted and destroyed the bloodlines of many of the royal families (Do you know why they were called bluebloods?).

A perfect example exists today. Do you honestly think that any of George H. Bush’s granddaughters is a serious candidate for Illuminati-hood?

Recruitment
The fact is, the Illuminati will need some sort of recruitment system to keep their ranks stocked with the best and the brightest that the world has to offer, especially if they are expanding their global reach. Take for example, Bill Gates. Is he a member of the Illuminati? He should be. As the leader of the worlds leading software company, he exerts enormous control over how business woks world wide. If he is in the Illuminati, when did he become a member? How was he vetted and recruited?

Power transfer
Contrary to popular belief, power can not be easily passed from person to person, especially when you have strong personalities involved. In fact, the type of personality that often make a strong effective leader is often the worst type for achieving a smooth transfer of power. Unchecked, a "cult of personality" can develop which can further hinder the operational aspects of Illuminati management.

Basic common sense tells us that like any other group of people, the Illuminati will be plagued by rivalry, petty jealousies, personality conflicts, business rivalry, security issues, etc. So how do the Illuminati maintain a secret organization? Even the Mafia code of omerta was violated often in the later stages of the organization’s growth.

These are serious questions that need to be answered.

posted 09-22-2003 09:27 PM            

The above analysis was based in part on personal experience, in part on observation, in part on professional studies and in part on common sense.

Based on this I have come to the conclusion that the Illuminati as defined above does not exist.

That is not to say that diverse groups of leaders and "elites" don’t occasionally pool their resources together for common purposes. Of course they do, and sometimes they do it in secret, but these alliances are usually fleeting and can not stand for any length of time. The secrets never last either.

I do not believe that it is possible for a "secret cabal" to effectively operate for any length of time under the conditions generally presented here.

Furthermore, the group of people that constitute the movers and shakers of the world is a fluid group. People become influential then their influence fades. New forces and new faces are constantly appearing on the scene. To me, the concept of the Illuminati vastly oversimplifies the complexity of the world around us.

You can not violate the laws of Human nature. It makes little sense to believe that a group of "elites" can act in ways that the rest of us can not.

The concept of Secret Societies of evil is a common one in our culture. It is one of the most overused plot devices in the spy/ thriller novel market. That doesn’t mean that it is a valid concept.

I realize that most of you will disagree with me and my conclusion. For those of you who insist that the Illuminati exist, this post isn’t for you, anyway. This post is for the casual visitor who might wonder about the logistics of the concept.

I also expect that this thread will probably draw some personal attacks and criticism (in violation of the forum rules). That is OK, I wouldn’t expect anything less.

I don’t know why some people insist on believing in the Illuminati. All I can say is that I have examined the concept and as far as I am concerned, I find that it doesn’t stand up to detailed scrutiny.

posted 09-22-2003 09:40 PM            

They are bringing it in with incrementalism.

But you are too blind too see that as far as i'm concerned.

Do you know what goes on at the Bilderberg meetings and the G-8 summits?

You probably dont.

Big OL' WHITEWASH.

The illuminati exists and its plan is a NEW WORLD ORDER.

You know...the one GHWBush BRAGGED about on SEPT 11th 1990.

But think what you want.

I will support and maintain the information war against the New World Order untill its plans are completely spoiled and its planners put in the spotlight.

May all the roaches involved scurry for the dark corner and have no where to go.

posted 09-22-2003 09:55 PM            

Just "logic" right?

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A Conspiracy Too Monstrous To Conceive

Henry Makow, Ph.D.

Mon Jun 9 2003

Cognitive Dissonance
By Henry Makow, Ph.D.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so
monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

The world is in the malignant grip of a satanic cult.

People recoil at the suggestion but proof stares us in the face every day.

George W. Bush, President of the "Free World" is a member of "Skull and Bones"
a chapter of the Illuminati order. His father, grandfather and uncle are also
members.

In his autobiography, "A Charge to Keep" Bush writes, "My senior year I joined
Skull and Bones, a secret society so secret I can't say anything more." In
Aug. 2000 he said his "heritage is part of who I am." http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2000/07/31/heritage.html

Isn't this a conflict of interest?

Hello! Can a man hold any public office, let alone the most important, and
belong to a "secret society"? If this society were benign, would it have to be
secret?

And what a secret society! The Illuminati is the hidden hand behind all modern
cataclysms, including the French and Russian Revolutions, Communism, the
Depression and Nazism. To affect the course of history only takes money. The
people behind the Illuminati have plenty.

It's time we faced reality. Murphy's Law applies to humanity. "If it can go
wrong, it will."

It has. The world is ruled by a satanic cult.

THE ILLUMINATI AND THE SKULL & BONES

The Illuminati originates with Jewish Cabalists, Babylonian mystery cults, the
Templars, Freemasons and assorted interests dedicated to acquiring absolute
power. On May 1 1776, Adam Weishaupt, a professor at the University of
Inglestadt in Germany, founded "The Order of the Illuminati." Many people
believe Weishaupt was sponsored by Prince William of Hesse Casel and his
banker Meyer Amschel Rothschild, the wealthiest man in the world.

The Illuminati's stated goal was to destroy Western Civilization and to erect
a new world order ruled by the Illuminati. Its method was to cut all social
ties (employer, nation, religion, race, family) by exploiting social
discontent and promising a golden age of "human brotherhood."

Attracted by the promise of power and change, people served without realizing
who or what they were supporting. Weishaupt urged his followers to "practise
the art of counterfeit." New recruits were told the Illuminati followed the
original spirit of Christianity. Weishaupt marvelled that even churchmen could
be gulled. "Oh! Men, of what cannot you be persuaded?" (Nesta Webster, World
Revolution, 1921, p. 27)

The Illuminati had a hand in every so called "progressive" movement of the
past 200 years. Women, said Weishaupt, were to be enlisted with "hints of
emancipation." They "can all be led toward change by vanity, curiosity,
sensuality and inclination." (Webster, 29)

William Huntington, an American who had studied in Germany, founded the "Skull
and Bones" (Chapter 322 of the Bavarian Illuminati) at Yale University in
1832. The members wore a death's head on their chests and were sworn to
secrecy on pain of death. "The Order" became the preserve of the leading New
England families, many rich from the Opium trade. These include the Whitneys,
Tafts, Buckleys, Lowells, Sloans, Coffins, and Harrimans. The Bush family was
dependent on these interests.

For over 150 years, "Bonesmen" have run the world from positions in banking,
intelligence, media, law and government. Members included Presidential handler
Averell Harriman, anti war leader William Sloan Coffin, Time Life magnate
Henry Luce, Truman war secretary Henry Stimson (responsible for dropping the
atomic bomb), pseudo conservative William F. Buckley and many more. http://www.viewfromthewall.com

"THE BATTLE IS NOT BETWEEN LEFT AND RIGHT"

In the 1960's British born Dr. Anthony Sutton was a Fellow at Stanford's
Hoover Institute when he discovered that, in spite of the Cold War, the US was
supplying the USSR with its technology, including weapons used against
American soldiers in Vietnam. Sutton dug deeper and discovered that Wall
Street had sponsored both the Bolshevik Revolution and the rise of Nazi
Germany. The resulting books ( http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books.htm
which are on line) cost Dr. Sutton his academic career.

In 1983, Dr. Sutton received a list of Skull and Bones members and immediately
recognized the names of many men who controlled American policy. He published
a book entitled "America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order
of Skull and Bones" (1986). He updated and republished this book just before
his death last June at age 77. http://www.trineday.com Here are some of his
conclusions.

+"The Order" is " a purely American phenomenon with German origin." Dr. Sutton
compares it to the Round Table Cecil Rhodes' secret society at Oxford known as
"The Group." The American and British entities consist of 20-30 dynastic
families each. Jewish banking interests connect them.

"The links between 'The Order' and Britain go through Lazard Freres and the
private merchant banks. 'The Group' links to the Jewish equivalent through
the Rothschilds in Britain. 'The Order' in the US links to the Guggenheim,
Schiff and Warburg families." (23)

As Dr. Sutton notes, the "Order" had definite anti Semitic tendencies but by
the 1960's, many Jewish names started to appear among the 15 annual inductees.
See list of Skull and Bones members. http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboysmembersbyclass.htm

+ Dr. Sutton believes the "left" versus "right" political conflict is
fraudulent and is used to control the debate and condition citizens to think
along certain lines. Left wing magazines like the "The Nation" and "The New
Republic" and right wing magazines like "The National Review were
"artificially set up." The former were financed by Whitney money while the
latter by Buckley. Both are "The Order."

Dr. Sutton states: "Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump
the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control.
(http://www.antonysutton.com/suttoninterview.html The battle is not between
right and left; it is between us and them.")

Similarly, in the international field left and right political structures are
artificially constructed and collapsed in the drive for one world synthesis,
i.e. authoritarian socialism controlled by monopoly capital.

College textbooks present war and revolution as accidental results of
conflicting forces. This is nonsense, says Dr. Sutton. They are created and
financed by Wall Street to create a new world order. But you won't read this
in history books.

"Our Western history is every bit as distorted, censored and largely useless
as that of Hitler's Germany or the Soviet Union or Communist China." (122)

+ Dr. Sutton believes The Order has many weaknesses resulting from an inbred
gene pool, a shallow power base and a limited worldview. In any future
conflict between the authoritarian state and the individual, he believes
opposition will take "a million forms."

" No one is going to create the anti The Order movement. That would be foolish
and unnecessary. It could be infiltrated, bought off, or diverted all too
easily. Why play by the rules set by the enemy?

The movement that will topple The Order will be extremely simple and most
effective. It will be ten thousand or a million Americans who come to the
conclusion that they don't want the State to be boss, that they prefer to live
under the protection of the Constitution. They will make their own independent
decision to thwart The Order and it will take ten thousand or a million
forms." (55)

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

Bizarre as it sounds, our world is the product of a multi generational satanic
conspiracy. (Believe me I would give everything I own to be wrong.)

When we compare this disturbing conclusion with the comforting picture
purveyed by Illuminati controlled mass media and education, we experience
"cognitive dissonance," or psychological stress. This is usually resolved by
evading reality, dismissing it as "conspiracy theory."

One reader, stirring in his sleep, wrote: "You sir are T-TOTALLY the biggest
story teller I have ever heard. If I ever get really bored I will read some of
your concockions."

In fact, conspiracy is very plausible. People who control a grossly
disproportionate share of the world's wealth will take measures to consolidate
their position. They will destabilize the public by inciting a series of wars
and other mind boggling hoaxes (communism, lesbian feminism,
multiculturalism). They will subvert faith in a loving God and promote
violence and depravity (Satan) instead.

The government inspired 9-11 atrocity proves Bush and his accomplices are
criminals, traitors and impostors. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm
But don't look to the Democrats for salvation. Leading contender Sen. John
Kerry is also "Skull and Bones" (Class of 1966.)

The "War on Terror" is obviously designed to forestall domestic opposition and
condition people to further subjugation and new world order. What can we do?

I think Antony Sutton had it right when he said opposition should be
individual in character. Let it "take ten thousand or a million forms."

posted 09-22-2003 11:21 PM            

You watch other groups:
Mafia/
politics/
tongs/
gangs/
churches/

and when gifted skillfull manipulators rise to the top of 'that' group;

Invite them to join.

tell a Mason "there are orders above 33rd degree.

tell a Mormon
"there is a priesthood above Melchezedik"

Tell a bike gang member
"You can join 'the syndicate' and have riches & power beyond your wildest dreams."

Give driven greedy individuals the power to control police authorities and courts.

Murder, and see an innocent sent to death row in your place.

Fix elections.
Plunder public and private funds without fear.
eg:
Insider trading on the stock market-

S&L plunder of billions from the US treasury-

BNL plunder of both the USA and Italy.
(with government cover-ups)

Who would not join?

Very few of us.

who could support such a corrupt organization.
Those who "hope to be rich myself someday" are prime candidates for joining eagerly in the conspiracy.

posted 09-23-2003 06:20 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:
Oh yeah..and Evil just doesn't exist..... right Larson?

Just "logic" right?

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Are you trying to put words into my mouth, Mech?

When did I say that evil does not exist? In fact that is one of the reasons that I think that the Illuminati hoax is just that, a hoax. Given the capriciousness of human nature, any group organized around the parmeters of the Illuminati would not last long, three generations at the most.

My posts are about orginizations and the succession/ transfer of power within those orginizations, not some silly college fraternity.

posted 09-23-2003 06:30 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by shatoga:
Let us say you are a member of the illuminati.

You watch other groups:
Mafia/
politics/
tongs/
gangs/
churches/

and when gifted skillfull manipulators rise to the top of 'that' group;

Invite them to join.

tell a Mason "there are orders above 33rd degree.

tell a Mormon
"there is a priesthood above Melchezedik"

Tell a bike gang member
"You can join 'the syndicate' and have riches & power beyond your wildest dreams."

Give driven greedy individuals the power to control police authorities and courts.

Murder, and see an innocent sent to death row in your place.

Fix elections.
Plunder public and private funds without fear.
eg:
Insider trading on the stock market-

S&L plunder of billions from the US treasury-

BNL plunder of both the USA and Italy.
(with government cover-ups)

Who would not join?

Very few of us.

who could support such a corrupt organization.
Those who "hope to be rich myself someday" are prime candidates for joining eagerly in the conspiracy.

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Thank you Shatoga, you have hit upon one of the main reasons why the Illuminati would not survive for long.

If I were a memeber of the Illuminati and My goal is to obtain and wield ultimate power and riches, do you think that I would look at orginizations like

Mafia/
politics/
tongs/
gangs/
churches/

as potential allies or as potential enemies to be destroyed before they take over me?

Ask that questions to the those who opposed Stalin, Hitler, Sadam husain, Idi Amin, Ghengis Khan, Muselini, etc.

Try to understand this both of you.

PEOPLE DON'T SHARE POWER.

In order for the Illuminati concept to work, you have to suspend one of the most basic and powerfull of human evils, greed.

posted 09-23-2003 07:16 AM            

HOW BLIND CAN ONE BE???

Origins of certain powerful individuals' thirst to rule the world in modern times can be traced back to the late 18th century. Many people have written on the subject of the so-called "Illuminati" ("Enlightened"), for example, but perhaps the most succint summary of their activities in the last two centuries can be found in a 1965 speech given by a journalist and playright, Myron Fagan. The speech was was recorded and has since sold millions of copies. (The entire speech can be both read and heard at: http://www.ptialaska.net/~swampy/fagan/fagan_0.html ).

Naturally, the Rothschilds financed that operation and every war since then, beginning with the French Revolution. The headquarters of the great conspiracy in the late 1700's was in Frankfurt, Germany where the House of Rothschild had been established by Mayar (or Mayer) Amschel who adopted the Rothschild name and linked together other international financiers who had literally sold their souls to the devil.

After the Bavarian government's exposure in 1786 (of the Illuminati's intent to start the French Revolution), the conspirators moved their headquarters to Switzerland, then to London."

As is the case with unscrupulous bankers and industrialists whose only motive is Greed, Rothschilds have reportedly sometimes financed both sides of a war. Such as in the case of WW II and Hitler's Third Reich, for example, one of their former clients. Nor were they alone among the Jewish bankers in doing so, according to Fagan.

It was certainly a winning strategy for war profiteers with no morals. They win no matter who loses the war. But only in a material sense. Just as the "death merchants" and their financiers of the wars of the 1990s did. Meanwhile, back to Fagan…

"Since World War II (after Jacob Schiff, the Rothschild's (errand) boy in America, who organized and funded the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia), the headquarters of the American branch has been in the Harold Pratt Building in New York City, and the Rockefellers, originally proteges of Schiff, have taken over the manipulation of finances in America for the Illuminati…

They have been promoting the Illuminati operating under various names and guises. I say under various names and guises because after the Illuminati was exposed and became notorious (and thus ineffective as a secret society), Weishaupt and his (subsequent) co-conspirators began to operate under various other names.

In the United States, immediately after World War I, they set up what they called the 'Council on Foreign Relations,' commonly referred to as the CFR. This CFR is actually the Illuminati in the United States and its hierarchy."

The formation of the United Nations after the WW II, in which the Rockefellers played a major part, including securing a New York City property for its headquarters, is at least one of the undisputed historical facts. The U.N.'s blue colors helped masked its real "red" (commie) totalitarian agenda.

Although run entirely by unelected officials appointed at the behest of the would-be NWO rulers, this globalist House of Ill-repute has been financed entirely by the world's taxpayers. Including its various tentacles, such as the IMF, the World Bank or the World Trade Organizations.

And yet, did anyone anywhere in the supposedly "free and democratic" world of the West ever ask the taxpayers what they thought of this reincarnation of the Communist Internationale, and if they wanted to fund it?

No, Sireee… Not that I've heard.

We've had referenda on just about anything; ranging from the sex lives of fruit flies, to public transit choices; to selecting the various forms of government. But NEVER EVER (!) have we been asked to vote by our "democratic" governments on whether or not we should be, or should have been paying, for the U.N. for all these years.

Ever wondered why not? Those who haven't (i.e., the taxpayers had never contemplated such travesties of our liberties, and such a brazen picking of our pockets)… well, they and their offspring could be the model NWO citizens of the future.

But those who did wonder why not, must have realized that the formation of the U.N. in 1945 was the penultimate achievement of the West Side Gang. It was a pinnacle which had eluded their cruder, less perfidious, but no less brutal, Kremlin-based East Side brethren. Who were coerced into joining the U.N. party for a while. Until they "lost" the "Cold War" to a more perfidious gang. And the U.N. became a mere fig leaf for the West Side Gang's colonial ambitions.

No wonder the communist aparachiks, such as Serbia's president, Slobodan Milosevic, were also on board with the UN/NWO elite for a while. In a November 1993 article titled "Plutocracy Is Alive and Well in America," I quoted something Milosevic said to me during our first meeting at his office in Belgrade in January 1990. Here's an excerpt:

posted 09-23-2003 07:19 AM            

"It takes one to know one," goes the old saw. Maybe the power-thirsty Communist banker, who bullied his way into Serbian presidency, figured out who really runs the American plutocracy masquerading as democracy - the men and women from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission (TLC)."

"David Rockefeller, the 'Sir' in the Milosevic-Eagleburger conversation, is sort of the 'Big Cheese,' the grand patriarch of the American foreign policy, who 'owns' people around him. Using the CFR and the TLC as instruments of power, Rockefeller and his associates have nearly all the political and media bases covered. In the end, it does not matter whether Republicans or the Democrats win. Either way, it will be the (Rockefeller) 'insiders' who will run the show in Washington.

(Which makes) the 'world's greatest democracy' a little more than an intra-squad competition with the score always predetermined by the 'Big Cheese' and his cohorts. It's like a 'Yankees' blue team v. the 'Yankees' white squad playing for the World Series title. The 260 million Americans are merely the 'extras' who fill the stands, and even pay (taxes) for the privilege of watching the charade!

"If Milosevic had figured all this out (in the 1980s), it could help explain why he treated the U.S. government representatives, like Warren Zimmermann, the former U.S. ambassador to Yugoslavia, for example, or Lawrence Eagleburger, the former Secretary of State, with such disdain. Unlike most Americans, Milosevic may have realized that he was dealing with mere minions, not with men of power," I said in that November 1993 article.

Ladies and gentlemen, the preceding lines were written more than six years ago. Yet they are every bit as true today, if not more so, as they were in November 1993.

But any student of globalism must also watch the moves of the Bilderberger Group, formed in 1954, and named after a Dutch hotel in Oosterbeek, at which the first meeting of this global-international international elite. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, at the time an important figure in the oil industry who held major positions in Royal Dutch Petroleum (Shell Oil), and in Société Générale de Belgique, a powerful global banking corporation, was the key European sponsor of the Bilderberger idea. The Rockefeller family, whose Standard Oil and its offshoots was technically a competitor of Shell, co-sponsored the idea from the American side.

No wonder, therefore, that right from day one, the Bilderberger agenda reflected first and foremost the interests of the oil industry.

By the way, it was at the Bilderberger's 1996 meeting at a resort near Toronto (King City), that the fate of Kosovo was sealed, according to John Whitley, a British-born political analyst and Bilderberger watcher who now makes his home in Toronto (see S99-23, Day 10, Update 2, Item 3, Apr. 2). Whitley said that that's where the German government was given the lead assignment of creating, training and equipping the Kosovo Liberation Army, of which no one had heard before.

So the fact that Milosevic, an erstwhile Rockefeller protégé, knew who the boss of the NWO was, yet chose to bite the hand which fed him, and put all his political eggs in the losing Kremlin communist basket, only goes to show us how badly versed the Serbian president is in world affairs.

Meanwhile, here's a quick "NWO Quiz" for YOU. Name four individuals who are members of all three leading globalist organizations - the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers.

Answer: David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Bill Clinton and Lou Gerstner, IBM chairman.

Do you now see which end us up in world affairs?

As you have heard us say it before, the NWO creed is: "I believe in nothing!" Its symbol: The Almighty Dollar. Or the Euro. Or… whatever other currency is in vogue. Its object of worship: The Golden Calf. Its holy shrine: Wall Street. Its motto: "Perpetual commerce through perpetual war."

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You see Larson...you need to take off those Coke bottle glasses and wipe that sleep out of your eyes.

You've been had.

The Illuminati is real and so is their plan for a "NEW WORLD ORDER"

If anything at all is FAKE its the illusion of a "Left" and "right" political paradigm.

Wake up.

posted 09-23-2003 09:25 AM            

As we've discussed, your asute observations of The Illuminati and The NWO are well appreciated by many people.

Remember, the people who are calling you childish, don't know you personally, and are working for the ruling elite by proxy, be it consciously or unaware, directly or indirectly.

Mech is a rather brilliant individual in person, and is always ready for a joke, but is spot on concerning what this illustrious and caring government and it's criminal cohorts are conceiving.

The critics of Mech all spout the same nonsense, as if from a central spigot. They think:

1) George W (Dumbya) Bush is a great president

2) Conspiracies don't exist - Only coincidences exist

3) Bush's, Cheney's, Rumpsmell's, POwell's, Blair's and Rice's Born-Again Fundamentalism has nothing to do with their apocalyptic view of the future.

4) Iraq had WMD before the invasion and occupation

5) Bush and Blair did not falsify and manipulate data to justify an invasion.

6) Israel (Zionists) is not in partnership with the USA for an Arab land grab.

7) There was no pre-knowledge or pre-warnings of 9/11 by the Bush admin.

8) The economy is doing great

9) US companies are not moving their operations overseas

10) The following people did not use the term "New World Order"...Adolph Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, George Bush Sr, Henry Kissinger, Gary Hart, and Dan Quayle.

11) The same mindset (Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon) didn't bring in Nazis (scientists, doctors, intelligence agents, and businessmen) to the USA, and put them in positions of power.

There are many more incidences that point in the direction of coercion by the ruling elite to maintain their power base.

Prevent the middle class from getting ahead, by supplying money on a socialist level (to lower class) and a fascistic level for the ruling (supplying money to defense contractors and oil companies).

Perpetual War to maintain the status of the ruling class.

posted 09-23-2003 06:02 PM            

It's begining to look at lot like 1984...

ENDLESS, ENDLESS WAR......

Bush has said it.

Cheney has said it.

Rumsfeld has said it..

Anyone who doesnt think we are headed for a global hemogenized society based on ..

One currency, one government, one legal system...ad nauseaum is living in freaking La La land. Its already happening in Europe.

posted 09-24-2003 07:04 AM            

"The best way to handle the opposition is to control it ourselves." Vladimir Illych Lenin

posted 09-24-2003 11:46 AM            

1) George Bush is a devout Christian (Satanist is more like it)

2) The media is liberal (WHere were all the anti-war voices in the lead up to Iraq War?)

3) Rush Limbaugh is a spokesman for the common person.

4) George W Bush is a Conservative

5) Bill Clinton is a Liberal

6) The US Economy is doing great (Defense and Oil propping up a sick economy-thus the drive toward endless war)

7) A single bullet killed JFK

Smoke and mirrors, and dividing the country along liberal and conservative lines, meanwhile they all have their hands in our pockets.

posted 09-24-2003 08:55 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by shatoga:
To the premise that "the Illuminati" (NWO elites) would "not share power".

"The best way to handle the opposition is to control it ourselves." Vladimir Illych Lenin

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I have a one word answer to that comment:

Stalin

posted 09-25-2003 07:53 AM            

Eric Rainbolt - audience member asking question to Congressman Paul near Austin Texas on August 30th, 2003:

"Congressman Paul, I have a question..."

Moderator: (Over here - pointing to Eric Rainbolt.)

Eric Rainbolt: " Great! If we can take a look at the big picture, could
you tell us, the people in this room, any information that you may have
of an international and deceptive conspiracy to overthrow the American
Republic and its Constitution & Bill Of Rights in order to set up and
usher in a totalitarian World Government likely espoused under the UN also.."?

Congressman Paul: " He asked if there was an international conspiracy to
overthrow our government. The answer is "Yes". I think there are 25,000
individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities
and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And
if you believe in One World Goverment, then you are talking about undermining
National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you
could well call a Dictatorship - and those plans are there!..."

Then I think the controlled media is the next hurdle. It is hard to swallow that we are intentionally being lied to everyday about almost everything. The show is hosted by a slightly leftist host but the interview is the point. After you can process these concepts then the luciferian cultist illuminati might not seem such a far reach.

"Into the Buzzsaw" website http://www.intothebuzzsaw.com/

For the first time in the history of American journalism, almost two dozen award-winning print and TV journalists with virtually centuries of experience among them have collaborated to produce this book of devastating essays about the dangerous state of American journalism today. Writing in riveting, often gut-wrenching detail about their personal experiences with the “buzzsaw”—concerted corporate and/or government efforts to kill their controversial stories and their careers—the contributors reveal the awesome depth and breadth of censorship in America today. Their essays portray a press corps that regularly engages in self-censorship and attacks reporters who come under fire for not doing so. They describe a Fourth Estate that has largely relinquished its watchdog role and that has been co-opted by corporate and government powers. The bigger picture is that of a press actively contributing to the demise of democracy in America.

INTO THE BUZZSAW
Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press
Edited by Kristina Borjesson
Foreword by Gore Vidal

Look for the French edition in Spring 2003,
published by Les Arenes

Not for sale in the United Kingdom

Click here http://www.sawbusters.com/ to visit Sawbusters A non-profit organization dedicated to helping journalists who are up against the buzzsaw

part 1 http://fiasco.dynamic-nameserver.com/fiasco/black/black106a.ram

part 2 http://fiasco.dynamic-nameserver.com/fiasco/black/black106b.ram

Part One
An investigative reporter whose work at CBS came to an abrupt end while
she was investigating the crash of TWA 800. CBS let Borjesson go shortly
after the FBI came to the network to take back evidence in her possession
that they said was “stolen” from the official investigation.
ABC killed her story too.

Part Two

Borjesson exposes the consistent pattern of government lying and deception
about TWA 800 that continues today, and shows how the press willingly goes along with it.

posted 09-25-2003 09:42 AM            

I know you are skeptical of lefties, but Kucinich is doing something to stop the NWO goons from complete subjugation. Go Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm with Ron Paul all the way also. These two guys represent the best of the right and left. Maybe they are simply slightly left and slightly right factions of The Libertarian Party.

Rep Kucinich Introduces Bill to Repeal Un-Constitutional Patriot Act.

DEADLINE FOR THE "PATRIOT ACT"

Congressman Dennis Kucinich continued his leadership today
on Capitol Hill today by

introducing the first comprehensive

bill to repeal offensive sections of the

misnamed "USA PATRIOT

posted 09-26-2003 06:05 AM            

Still Don't Believe In
The New World Order?
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"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."

Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs
(July/August 1995)

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THAT quotation and the following - and many others like them - clearly demonstrate that the words "new world order" are deadly serious and furthermore, have been in use for decades. They did not originate with President George Bush in 1990. The "old world order" is one based on independent nation-states. The "new world order" involves the elimination of the sovereignty and independence of nation-states and some form of world government. This means the end of the United States of America, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights as we now know them. Most of the new world order proposals involve the conversion of the United Nations and its agencies to a world government, complete with a world army, a world parliament, a world court, global taxation, and numerous other agencies to control every aspect of human life (education, nutrition, healthcare, population, immigration, communications, transportation, commerce, agriculture, finance, the environment, etc.). The various notions of the "new world order" differ as to details and scale, but agree on the basic principle and substance.

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"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

Dr. Henry Kissinger,
Bilderberger Conference,
Evians, France, 1991

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"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976,
killed in the Korean Airlines 747
that was shot down by the Soviets

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"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral
Commission, in an address to a
meeting of The Trilateral
Commission, in June, 1991.

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"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies (marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capital-ism) to enable them (the Illuminati) to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."

Myron Fagan

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"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."

David Spangler,
Director of Planetary Initiative,
United Nations

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"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and power interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers.
"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."

U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

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"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."

George Herbert Walker Bush

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"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."

Strobe Talbot,
President Clinton's Deputy
Secretary of State, as quoted
in Time, July 20th, l992.

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"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."

Statement by Council on Foreign Relations
(CFR) member James Warburg to The
Senate Foreign Relations Committee on
February 17th, l950

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"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

Benjamin Disraeli,
first Prime Minister of England,
in a novel he published in 1844
called Coningsby, the New Generation

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"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. "

British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876

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"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Woodrow Wilson,
The New Freedom (1913)

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"What is important is to dwell upon the increasing evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world, for the destruction of organized government and the letting loose of evil."

Christian Science Monitor editorial, June 19th, l920

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"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."

New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

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"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution