posted 09-30-2003 02:37 PM            

What really happened to the WTC

la, la, la, la, la, la{/fingers-in-ears}

Seriously, Swamp, If you can produce any engineers or architects that agree with the claim that the WTC collapse was a controlled demolition, please do so.

(They should be willing to back up their claims by providing bone fides of their qualification. No SAPs, please)

posted 09-30-2003 03:40 PM            

Swamp obviously has posted with you before and is not happy with the results. He generally is a good judge of character, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I see that you have put alot of thought into your response. I need to take some time to absorb the info. It's a great topic. I'll have to get back later.

BC,

I agree let's stay on the topic, be cordial and friends if possible.

posted 09-30-2003 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by swamp gas:
Cool Boomer,

I was just saying that we shouldn't get lost in the information highway, and lose track of the fact that we are flesh and blood.

If you read this thread back to the beginning, you'd see that I was responding exactly on topic. I am an admin at MOD, and I know quite well how to keep on topic. Professor started with personal insults, and then attacked my singer and our music. I responded by facts on Stravinsky, and actually, it took Wolf_Larsen to get back on track. If you put up a picture of your child on a thread, and someone called that child ugly and stupid, I'm sure you respond the same way. It's our child, and the dislike of what we do is outnumbered 5 to 1 by the people who like it. I have emails at home praising it, and if you perused our web site, you'd see our history, and some of the greats who have praised us, as well as everyday people.

The people that are here to invade this forum, will do anything to bring it down, and divide and conquer is the method of operation.

If you go to the Main Den of Debunkers, Maverick's. you'll see juggarnauts in action. They are constantly threatening how they will destroy sites like CTC, Method of Destruction, Megasprayer, Carnicom, and Chemtrail Tracking. They fight amongst themselves like two wolves fighting over a piece of meat. http://pub31.ezboard.com/bcontrailsandchemtrails22884

The one thing we have over them is our friendship. So please don't be off-ish to people expressing inner feelings. It's what keeps us one step ahead of them.

Peace

swampgas


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OK! I hear where you're coming from! I chose this site because I read it and realized the dedication to truth and the high level of patriotism in sleuthing for dark, warlike agendas that threaten our very existence! I found you through hours of searching because of a simple theory I suggested on another board and received nothing but hostile responses even from a Swede and a Brit! The theory was: I wouldn't doubt that the European drought was caused by American technology because they didn't jump on board the Bush War bandwagon! OMG, you would have thought I was a bizarre and crazy nut! What a thought! And this was on a board discussing everything from aliens to Bush bashing! One guy e-mailed me privately and supported my notion and warned me to watch out for disinformation agents! He thought the argumentative female who argues with everything I say regardless might have been one! I clued him in on her personality as 19 months of posting brought me to an understanding of her style! The Swede, a male, interprets all disagreement as a threat to his posting reputation and his ego is beyond compare! All my links to you, to carnicom, to the few others researching were a waste of my time! It was frustrating! Here, I find people who are open and searching and this alone is great!

In a frenzied fury, because I wanted to support my theory, wanted to find out if it had any teeth, I searched and found you great people! I'm upset with the vast void that exists between R & D of weapons in this country and the citizen awareness. The underground cities, the alien para-military connection, the 9/11 story, the chemtrails and HAARP and God knows what all else goes on and some of us are realizing it, researching it, and bringing it to light. It's a massive jolt to our senses, especially considering our hoola hoop upbringings! At least mine and my generation!

I totally understand your need for fellowship especially when you have been attacked and are experiencing ignorant, rude debunkers from time to time!

Could those two Klez worms I received in my Earthlink inbox have been the FBI warning me? Huh? It seems to me the worms and my joining this board have coincided, but local police took my picture and photographed my license plate while attending a peace rally here in March' so I wouldn't doubt that I'm on a list already, too!

Just being here makes me feel a part of something larger and better than myself! I have an instant respect and feeling of closeness to all of you just in reading your contributions and posting whenever I can. I'm so emotional about the topics that I can't get enough, you see?

So, I do hear you, and I certainly do not want or mean to offend.

I had no idea the researchers like Carnicom and company were so competitive, either!

I have my sound turned off, so I didn't realize you had music on this site! Hehehe! I have a degree in music and love it and Stravinsky seems perfect for these topics, just in the musical sense.

Well, all is well, my brothers and sisters!

Chewing this bitter pill of reality is certainly sweeter with friends!

Now let's all join hands and sing "Kum Bay Ya"

And yes, the demolition of the towers has been proven! IMHO!

posted 09-30-2003 11:41 PM            

Fortunately,
I've actually seen four controlled building demolitions.

Seen videos and heard the speeches from controlled Demolition Inc.

about how the building falls over instead of into itself;
if charges aren't properly placed or sequentially detonated.

No building collapses into itself due to a side impact and localized fire damage.

buildings collapse because of structural damage.

I've actually welded clips, like those attaching trusses at the WTC.
The heat needed to cause structural steel to fail is far beyond that needed to cause the cast (lightweight) slabs to fail.

Pearlite and Vermiculite in those cast slabs should have exploded like popcorn, while the steel still had integrity.

Fuels cited by Bush partisans:
aviation fuel/kerosene, paper, plastic furnishings;
Are not sufficient to cause failures in welded steel structures.

Given pure oxygen as an accelerant, perhaps.

But without pure oxygen. Impossible.

the bush version of events is an obvious lie to anyone who has ever actually seen a controlled demolition, and also seen building failure due to fire damage.

Falling over is natural and normal.
Falling into itself only happens in controlled demolitions.

The 1993 (actual terrorist) bombing did far more damage to the WTC support core structure than the 911 (wag the dog) aircrashes.

A good dedicated single source for comprehensive examination of the WTC collapses:
(trust your own eyes/ not someone else's lies) http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

posted 10-01-2003 05:51 AM            

What you re saying contradicts the claim that the floor slabs would have resisted failure.

BTW, what about the weight of the plane remnants, engines, etc. on the floor?

Also, you are confusing heat and temperature. You don’t have to heat the steel hot enough to melt or cut it. Steel will loose a significant amount of strength at the temperatures that jet fuel burns.

One of the ways that they protect buildings is to spray fireproofing on the beams. The purpose of fireproofing is to insulate the beams from the high temperatures long enough for the fire to be brought under control (2 to 4 hours). Unfortunately, fireproofing is rather friable and is easily knocked off the steel. It is a fair to assume that the impact and exploding fuel knocked off a significant amount of this material.

From the Vancouver-Indy article:

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(1) One complaint is that much of the jet fuel burnt outside the buildings. This was particularly true in the case of the south tower. After the impact nearly all of the jet fuel would have been spread throughout the area as a flammable mist. When this mist ignited it would have emptied the building of almost the entire fuel load, which then "exploded" outside the building. This is exactly what was seen on the videos of the impacts.

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Do you honestly think that that was a 1000 gallons of fuel exploding?

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(2) If any quantity of liquid jet fuel did manage to accumulate in the building, then its volatility would lead to large amounts of it being evaporated and not burnt (pyrolysed) in the interior of the building. This evaporated fuel would burn on exiting the building, when it finally found sufficient oxygen.

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Then the videos would show this, wouldn’t they? I saw black smoke, but not a lot of flame shooting out the building.

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(3) The jet fuel fires were brief. Most of the jet fuel would have burnt off or evaporated within 30 seconds, and all of it within 2-3 minutes (if all 10,000 gallons of fuel were evenly spread across a single building floor as a pool, it would be consumed by fire in less than 5 minutes). The energy, from the jet fuel, not absorbed by the concrete and steel within this brief period, would have been vented to the outside world.

This means that the jet fuel fire did not heat the concrete slabs or fire protected steel appreciably. Large columns such as the core columns would also not heat appreciably, even if they had lost all their fire-protection. Unprotected trusses may have experienced a more sizeable temperature increase. The jet fuel fire was so brief that the concrete and steel simply could not absorb the heat fast enough, and consequently, most of the heat was lost to the atmosphere through the smoke plume.

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This SAP is an idiot. Even if the fuel fire was brief, say 20 minutes, That is still a tremendous amount of heat energy being release inside the building.

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(4) Even if the fire-rated suspended ceilings and spray on fire-protection from the trusses was removed by the impacts and the trusses were heated till they had lost most of their room temperature strength, we know from the Cardington tests and real fires like Broadgate, that the relatively cold concrete slab will supply strength to the structural system, and collapse will not occur. Remember, that at Broadgate and Cardington, the beams/trusses were not fire-protected.

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I do not believe that the trusses were sprayed with fireproofing. I am willing to bet that this building is like every other building with spray on fireproofing, the columns and core beams only were sprayed.

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(5) Since the jet fuel fire was brief, and the building still stood, we know that the composite floor slab survived and continued to function as designed (until the buildings were demolished one or two hours later). After the jet fuel fire was over, burning desks, books, plastic, carpets, etc, contributed to the fire. So now we have a typical office fire. The fact that the trusses received some advanced heating will be of little consequence. After some minutes the fires would have been indistinguishable from a typical office fire, and we know that the truss-slab combination will survive such fires, because they did so in the 1975.

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Don’t forget to add that there was a burning airplane in there as well.

But Shatoga, if the concrete failed because of the heat, and the trusses were damaged by the impact and subsequently weakened by the fire, wouldn’t you expect that their failure was inevitable?

Furthermore, as the joists, or trusses, began to sag, the force on the angle clips would have shifted from a downward force to a sideways force. How far from the outside edge of the clip were the bolt holes in the angle clips that you welded? How thick were the clips? If those clips were softened by heat, and you started to pull a couple of tons of weight on the bolt holes, would they have torn? Would the bolts have sheared?

If you have worked in construction, what do you think of the "temporary flooring idea on the other site?

posted 10-01-2003 09:11 AM            

I’m still of the opinion that this is a very high possibility of fowl play in the whole scenario.
• From the numerous early warnings about 9 11 that the government ignored
• the fact that the jets were not scrambled for the whole time the first two planes took a joy ride on it’s way from Boston to D.C. with the communication to the towers down (not normal procedure)
• to the explosions that were heard by those in the building,
• to the fact that the debris was removed from the site in record time and sold to china to avoid any thorough investigation
• to the fact that they lied to the NYers about the air quality right after the event

I can’t say that the construction of the buildings were 100% sound and maybe the fire protection was lacking, but I don’t think that two planes could have caused such a perfect demolition of three building. It was just too clean. All of the facts can only be used in reference to the whole picture.

I think that TPTB stood down and let 9 11 happen to fire up the public to put our money behind the Oil wars in Iraq. Not to mention that Silverstein the owner of WTC 7 and renter of WTC 1 & 2 made out pretty well himself from the event (use to be called Jewish Lightning). No offense to the religion, just using the term.

posted 10-01-2003 09:37 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by shatoga:

about how the building falls over instead of into itself;
if charges aren't properly placed or sequentially detonated.

No building collapses into itself due to a side impact and localized fire damage.

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Look at the animation of the beginning of the collapse on the previous page. Do you call that localized fire damage? The entire top of the building was on fire.

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buildings collapse because of structural damage.

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”how the building falls over instead of into itself”

also from the Vancouver.Indy article:

TIMBER!

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posted 10-01-2003 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by swamp gas:
Yes, and Thetaloop's brother said that the explosions or demolition could have occured on the floors where the generating equipment is.

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Not knowing who thetaloop's brother is, I don't know what the relevance is. Are you talking about the towers or wtc 7?

posted 10-01-2003 10:40 AM            

Thetaloop's brother's name is ray, and we'll leave it at that.

He was talking about WTC Towers, not WTC7.

I'll let Theta continue about her brother, who bought the government line at first, but actually called me up a while ago, and said I was correct in my evaluations of the WTC and our corrupt government.

posted 10-01-2003 11:49 AM            

1. The generators were located directly under the building, not in a more remote area of the complex (we don’t care about noise and diesel exhaust). (see the photo from the SAP page of the building under construction. The actual tower is quite a distance away from the foreground of the construction site).

2. The generator room took up the entire core area (elevator pits? We don’t need no stinkin elevator pits. ), or;

3. The generator room(s) were scattered around the perimeter of the building footprint at the base of the perimeter columns, about 20,000 square feet (you need how many kilowatts of emergency power?)

4. The agents who planted the explosives were able to access the correct spot on all of the columns without the need to open up any walls or column enclosures. (Who are you guys and why are you knocking holes in my generator room walls?)

5. After the ’93 bombing, no one ever bothered to keep tabs on who was working inside the building. (Delivery of explosives for Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones, sure just go right in).

6. Exploding demolition charges in the basement of the WTC tower will cause the 87th floor columns to collapse. (Neat trick)

posted 10-01-2003 11:57 AM            

Security? An FBI informant helped bulid the bombs on WTCC93.

THE NEW YORK TIMES

* * * * *

Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building
a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center,
and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting
harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after
the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of
hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his
talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as
being in a far better position than previously known to foil
the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people
injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars.
Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court
[on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used
by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle
of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases:
the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy
the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other
New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the
second bombing case, but his work for the Government was
erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast,
he was feuding with th F.B.I.

Supervisor `Messed It Up'

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an
undated transcript of a conversation from that period,
Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent
about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said,

"came and messed it up."
"He requested to meet me in the hotel,"

Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.

"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't
push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with
a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was
involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to
complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the
Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by
an agent identified as John Anticev.

Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would
like the things out of the New York Office to go to
Washington, D.C."

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute
Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it,
saying of the `New York people':

posted 10-01-2003 12:45 PM            

Again, how exposed were these columns? Wouldn’t anyone have noticed a bunch of mysterious “black boxes” on them? The technicians and stationary engineers that work in high rise buildings are generally a pretty smart bunch of guys. The WTC probably had the pick of the crop, also. How is it that none of these guys noticed anything? Given that they probably worked in shifts around the clock, how come none of the survivors has ever said anything?

BTW, I am not a heartless NWO stooge, despite whatever things people might say What was the name of Ray’s friend that was killed? Did he have any family? The tragedy of that day is still fresh in my heart and it still saddens me when I hear stories of the losses suffered by the families.

posted 10-01-2003 07:44 PM            

Loosing their lives and limbs and jobs. We as a race and a species have better look to how to prevent this from continuing. We're not going to get many more chances. We have to VOTE these jerks out or we're finished.

posted 10-01-2003 08:40 PM            

[Again TPTB create another tradegy.
To what degree they stood down or made the towers fall, I'm not 100% sure, but life has become a real live horrow show. The Arabs vs the Christians. A big boxing match with more and more innocent by standers taking the blows.]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the Arabs vs the Christians. I don't know of any Arabs blaming Christians for the "real live horror show" not do I know any Christians at war with the Arabs.

posted 10-01-2003 08:47 PM            

"Again TPTB create another tradegy."

Yes.

Its called the HEGALIAN DIALECTIC.

PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION.

Create the "PROBLEM":--- Muslim "terrorists" attack the US (Allegedly).But was actually a CIA operation.

REACTION:--- US populace: "oh the horror!!, please take our rights away and protect us!!!!"

Offer the "SOLUTION":--- Invasion of Afganistan and Iraq (to fight terrorism) when actually it's to secure dominance and resources in the Middle East.

posted 10-01-2003 09:13 PM            

It's not rocket science "Professor" (sic)

posted 10-01-2003 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Molliani:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the Arabs vs the Christians. I don't know of any Arabs blaming Christians for the "real live horror show" not do I know any Christians at war with the Arabs.

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Born-Again Christians

George W Bush
Dick Cheney
John Ashcroft
Donny Rumpsmell
Condi Rice
Colin Powell
William Rehnquist
Clarence Thomas
Anton Scalia
George HW Bush

VS

Iraq - Arabs - Muslims - Lots of Oil

Afghanistan - Arabs - Muslims - Caspian Sea - Lots of Oil

The Crusades VS The Arabs - Same mind set, different time.

Terrorists - Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, George W Bush, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Tony Blair, CIA, All Fundamentalists of any religion, environmentally destructive corporations, Joseph Biden, Joseph Liverman, George HW Bush, Ariel Sharon, Yassar Arafat

At the bottom, Zionists fueling the Flames of Hatred.

posted 10-01-2003 11:48 PM            

George W Bush
Dick Cheney
John Ashcroft
Donny Rumpsmell
Condi Rice
Colin Powell
William Rehnquist
Clarence Thomas
Anton Scalia
George HW Bush

Don't be deceived Swamp.

St. Matthew 8:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

St. Matthew 8:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

St. Matthew 8:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

St. Matthew 8:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

St. Matthew 8:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

St. Matthew 8:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

posted 10-02-2003 02:25 AM            

Its EASIER to ape all the so-called "facts" from mainstream media than it is to put 2&2 together and THINK FOR YOURSELF.

Its much easier to regurgitate everything out of hannity and CLONES and Bill O'reillys mouth...than it is for you to use your own reasoning.

Those buildings came down in PERFECT demolition style, with purpose and sadistic INTENT.

DESPITE what the NWO suck-boys believe.

posted 10-02-2003 07:23 AM            

I am not deceived. Those people mentioned are using the Peace Jesus' name as a war Jesus. Welcome to Biazarro World, where left is right, and Freedom is Slavery.

That Matthew Dude was Right On, BTW.

posted 10-02-2003 08:37 AM            

Despite reports from numerous eyewitnesses and experts, including news reporters on the scene, who heard or saw explosions immediately before the collapse of the World Trade Center, there has been virtual silence in the mainstream media.

Television viewers watching the horrific events of Sept. 11 saw evidence of explosions before the towers collapsed. Televised images show what appears to be a huge explosion occurring near ground level, in the vicinity of the 47-story Salomon Brothers Building, known as WTC 7, prior to the collapse of the first tower.

Van Romero, an explosives expert and former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at New Mexico Tech, said on Sept. 11, "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse."

The collapse of the structures resembled the controlled implosions used to demolish old structures and was "too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures," Romero told The Albuquerque Journal hours after the attack.

Implosions are violent collapses inwards, which are used to demolish buildings in areas of high density, to prevent damage to surrounding buildings. Precision-timed explosives are placed on strategic load-bearing columns and beams to cause the controlled collapse.

Demolition experts say that towers are the most difficult buildings to bring down in a controlled manner. A tower tends to fall like a tree, unless the direction of its fall is controlled by directional charges. The WTC towers "smokestacked" neatly, falling within the boundaries of their foundations.

Skeptics say this could not have happened coincidentally and it must have been caused by strategically placed and precisely timed internal charges. Videotape images may reveal these internal charges precipitating the controlled demolition of the towers and WTC 7.

Romero is vice president of research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures, and often assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off similar explosions and studying the effects.

After being hit by the aircraft, the twin towers appeared to be stable. Then without warning, at 9:58 a.m. the south tower imploded vertically downwards, 53 minutes after being hit. At 10:28, 88 minutes after being struck, the north tower collapsed.

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that," Romero said. If explosions did cause the towers to collapse, "It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points," he said.

"One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and secondary device," Romero said. Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion, in this case the collision of the planes into the towers, which brings emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion.

Ten days after the attack, following criticism of his initial remarks, Romero did an about-face in his analysis of the collapse, "Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail," he told the Journal on Sept. 21.

The twin towers were struck by Boeing 767's carrying approximately 23,000 gallons of fuel.

However, there is other information that lends credence to Romero's controversial scenario. One eyewitness whose office is near the World Trade Center told AFP that he was standing among a crowd of people on Church Street, about two-and-a-half blocks from the South tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed. Each tower had six central support columns.

One of the first firefighters in the stricken second tower, Louie Cacchioli, 51, told People Weekly on Sept. 24: "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building."

Kim White, 32, an employee on the 80th floor, also reported hearing an explosion. "All of a sudden the building shook, then it started to sway. We didn't know what was going on," she told People. "We got all our people on the floor into the stairwell . . . at that time we all thought it was a fire . . .We got down as far as the 74th floor . . . then there was another explosion."

The accepted theory is that as the fires raged in the towers, the steel cores in each building were heated to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, causing the support beams to buckle.

A lead engineer who designed the World Trade Center Towers expressed shock that the towers collapsed after being hit by passenger jets.

"I designed it for a 707 to hit it," Lee Robertson, the project's structural engineer said. The Boeing 707 has a fuel capacity of more than 23,000 gallons, comparable to the 767's 23,980-gallon fuel capacity.

Another architect of the WTC, Aaron Swirski, lives in Israel and spoke to Jerusalem Post Radio after the attack: "It was designed around that eventuality to survive this kind of attack," he said.

Hyman Brown, a University of Colorado civil engineering professor and the World Trade Center's construction manager, watched in confusion as the towers came down. "It was over-designed to withstand almost anything including hurricanes, high winds, bombings and an airplane hitting it," he said.

Brown told AFP that although the buildings were designed to withstand "a 150-year storm" and the im pact of a Boeing 707, he said the jet fuel burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit weakened the steel. Brown ex plained that the south tower collapsed first as it was struck lower with more weight above the impact area.

Brown told AFP that he "did not buy" the theory that the implosion was caused by the fires sucking the air out of the lower floors, which has been speculated.

The contractor who is reported to have been the first on the WTC collapse scene to cart away the rubble that remains is a company that specializes in the scientific demolition of large buildings, Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Baltimore, headed by Mark Loizeaux.

CDI is the same contractor that demolished and hauled away the shell of the bombed Oklahoma City Murrah building, actions that prevented independent investigators from pursuing evidence on leads suggesting that there were bombs set off inside the building.

In February 2000, a federal grand jury indicted Mark Loizeaux, Douglas Loizeaux and Controlled Demolition, Inc. on charges of falsely reporting campaign contributions by asking family members and CDI employees to donate to the campaign of Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.).

The Baltimore Sun reported that the illegal contributions allegedly occurred between 1996 and 1998. The Loizeaux brothers and CDI were acquitted in Sept ember 2000. Cleaning up the estimated 1.2 million tons of rubble will reportedly cost $7 billion and take up to a year.

Removing the debris has also been controversial. The police said that some scrap metal has been diverted to mob-controlled businesses rather than the dump where investigators are examining rubble for clues and human remains.

The second plane nearly missed the South Tower, cutting through a corner. Most of its fuel burned in an outside explosion. However, this building collapsed first, long before the North Tower, into which a similar plane entered completely.