posted 09-23-2003 07:59 PM            

By Henrik Melvang
From: www.bombsinsidewtc.dk www.unmask.dk

When I was loading up old and new videomaterial for my coming "2003 video doc." on the Sept.11 Terror Attack - I suddenly discovered TWO NEW perfect Video Evidences. These two new video evidences will be shown on my next Video release together with many other evidences.

This is what I just DISCOVERED:
FACT:
The FBI and the Medias deliberate FAKED the TIMELINE of many "Pre-Collapse- Explosion- events" at the WTC - in order to cover up, that "BOMBS inside" and "BOMBS below" the WTC were detonated at Street level and in the BASEMENT- PRIOR to both the Tower collapses.

We already have many evidences of this ,........ - but last week I found ,.....TWO New:

TIMELINE EVIDENCE #1:

A New Video Discovery from "abc?" - shows that a journalist man (and a female abc-journalist!?) are running up the street - away from the WTC, and finally ends up hiding behind a car.

QUESTION: Why did they run away from the WTC ?
The Media showed this video on Sept. 11 and told us all, that these persons on the video ran away from WTC because the Tower had just begun collapsing.
That is a Lie!

FACT: They ran away because they heard an explosion and saw the dust cloud from this detonation taking place at STREET LEVEL. The dust cloud came from a bomb detonated at the Street Level (or below) - and certainly not from the falling Tower debris ! (Because at this point both towers were still standing)

MEDIA COVER UP:
The medias did not play the original soundtrack of these BOMBS being detonated. The Medias CENSORED both the PICTURES and the SOUND of this particular clip.

EVIDENCE:
I have seen this "run away journalist clip" mixed into other WTC collapse sequences. Both ABC/CNN and many other TV stations made this fake-mix. That is EVIDENCE of FRAUD! They are deliberately FAKING the Video record and the TIMELINE of the WTC events!

PROOF:
I found a special version of the Clip were the "editors" forgot to "cut away" in their "video mix" ,...... which mean that in a second or two at the end of the Clip,.....the camera is "panning from behind a Car", and in the direction from North towards South,..............and there you go: BOTH TOWERS are STILL Standing TALL!!

CONCLUSION:
They were NOT running away from falling Tower debris... No, they ran away from,........ a Huge BOMB detonated at STREET LEVEL!

TIMELINE EVIDENCE #2:
Another Clip with huge dust clouds from the PRIOR EXPLOSIONS at the WTC STREET LEVEL - also shows People running away from the WTC

MEDIA-MANIPULATION of video clip #2:
Also this clip was FAKED by the MEDIAS. They did not want the TV viewers to understand that this was an additional Street-Explosion. This clip#2 showed a Dust cloud from at BOMB detonated at Street Level. But the medias have mixed this clip ALONG with OTHER collapse Sequences - so that they FIRST showed the Tower collapsing with debris falling, and then they MIXED IN and "put in" the said "other Clip #2" along with their COLLAPSE sequences. (That is deliberately faking the evidence)

Consequence of this Manipulation:
All the TV viewers were manipulated to believe that the people they saw running on the street were running away from the falling TOWER debris. But they were not! They were running away from a BOMB just being detonated at Street level.

PROOF:
I have measured the DURATION of the clip (in seconds) and the EVIDENCE is indisputable. If we compare with other video clips from the Real collapse of 2WTC then we can prove that the "real debris-cloud" generated from the Tower collapse filled the "NAMED Street",.... Totally with SMOKE from Debris in less than 5 seconds. (I can tell this for sure because I followed and AMBULANCE moving in the Streets,.......the ambulance arrived just as the #2 WTC collapsed and the driver managed to back away,............before the debris cloud hit it. My calculation is indisputable and correct) WATCH the video!

On the OTHER clip (That with the Explosion) the firefighters and other spectators had more than 25 seconds - before the CLOUD reached them. And you can even see a man with a camera ,....WALKING BACK,..... TOWARDS the DUST CLOUD ! He walked back because this Dust cloud was not in rapid motion. Around him were numerous of other persons who did not run away. Had this been falling debris - then the cloud would have hit them in less than 5 seconds. Eyewitness have explained that the dust clouds from falling Tower debris created a rapid "dust speed" of up to 50 mph close to WTC. But the clip #2 dust cloud moved very slow because it was not caused by falling debris.

FACT:
The real "Tower collapse DEBRIS Cloud" was in rapid motion when it hit the street. Some say that it went as fast as 80km/hour (No man can run that fast). But the "dust cloud from the EXPLOSION" (clip#2) in contrary was VERY slow and not dangerous at all , because nothing had collapsed yet.

CONCLUSION:
This clearly shows that the FBI/MEDIAS covered up that BOMBS were detonated at Streetlevel ,...........several seconds (or minutes?) BEFORE the collapse! One or more CAMERAMEN must be involved in this Scam,..........or they are more stupid than the POLICE allows one to be !!!?? Please circulate this astonishing NEW Video Timeline EVIDENCE!

Best Regards,
Henrik Melvang
Danish scientist and author

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http://www.letsroll911.org/

posted 09-24-2003 07:54 AM            

Buildings do collapse from fire damage, but they fall over, not into themselves.

Controlled Demolition Inc. (clean up contractors for WTC and OK city!)
Used to show videos with comments on how carefully charges must be placed and how timing must be perfect.
Otherwise a building falls over, instead of into itself/straight down.

The most generous (to the shrubya) explanation.
would be that after the 1993 WTC terrorist bombing.

engineers noticed the massive damage possible from one or both towers falling over;
and focused liner shaped charges were set in place for use in dire emergency.
the top floors of WTC 1 toppling to the side would have been such a dire emergency.

Controlled demolition of WTC 2 needed only a "go" signal to follow.
WTC7 (which held the records of the investigation into the S&L thefts) is a totally different matter.
http://wtc7.net/

Possibly just a convienient chance to destroy the evidence. http://wtc7.net/links.html
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#top

Most comprehensive single source to evidence and links about amerika's Reichstage fire. http://www.serendipity.li/index.html

Evidence for Explosives in the Twin Towers http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#evidence_for_explosives
>Millions of people around the world watched the WTC events unfold live on CNN on September 11th, 2001, in near-disbelief.
They saw huge clouds of smoke billowing over Manhattan and saw the towers collapse ... in a curious way.
They did not fall over; they imploded,
in the way that most people have seen when a building is destroyed in a controlled demolition:
the building does not collapse in a chaotic way, hurling debris over a wide area; rather it collapses upon itself.
This was how the WTC towers collapsed.

That the towers were demolished in a controlled manner
was noted immediately by some astute observers:
<
(More at website & links)

Did the Twin Towers Collapse on Demand?
>When considering the possibility that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives
there is an interesting variation which is worth considering:
What if the Twin Towers were designed
— or re-engineered —
so that they could be destroyed in a controlled demolition
if circumstances required?

What circumstances might lead to an order to demolish the Twin Towers?
A situation in which it was believed that they were in danger of collapsing in an uncontrolled manner
and falling onto the buildings surrounding them in Manhattan's financial district.
In such a case,
it might be held, better to demolish one or both of the towers in a controlled manner
so as to minimize death and destruction in the surrounding area.
<
(More at website & links)

The world, outside the USA's controlled cheerleader press, have figured out the truth.

posted 09-24-2003 10:21 AM            

The learning channel (I think) did a very nice documentary on why the WTC, because of its very unique design, collapsed the way it did.

posted 09-24-2003 07:13 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by shatoga:
Actually,
Anyone who has ever watched a controlled building demolition would have recognized the implosions of the towers as
a controlled demolition.

Buildings do collapse from fire damage, but they fall over, not into themselves.

Controlled Demolition Inc. (clean up contractors for WTC and OK city!)
Used to show videos with comments on how carefully charges must be placed and how timing must be perfect.
Otherwise a building falls over, instead of into itself/straight down.

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Actually, I have been fortunate enough to be an eyewitness to several building implosions. There are several distinctive elements to a building implosion.

1. First of all, they are loud, not the sound of the building collapse, but rather the sound of the demolition charges going off. You feel them as well as hear them. From 1/4 mile away it felt like a series of punches to the chest.

2. the detonation of the demo charges is also a very distinctive in that it is a series of sharp blasts as each successive floor is detonated in sequence.

3. The timing and placement of the demo charges is critical as you point out. However, this is because most demolition projects are conducted in very tight space. The object is to bring the building straight down without causing collateral damage to the adjacent buildings, which are often only a few dozen feet away. Otherwise the debris can spread out and hit those buildings causein significant damage to them (Like what happened to WTC7).
   

posted 09-24-2003 09:21 PM            

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The use of psychedelics from plant sources was the beginning of humankind's deep religious awareness. The suppression of the use of these psychedelics by governments and organized religion is one of the great crimes against humanity. And it continues to this day in the so-called "War on Drugs", which is in part an attempt to prevent people from realizing that what they're told by politicians and the mainstream media consists mostly of lies and that the real source of true understanding is the divinity within their own consciousness. But the prohibitionists will be defeated, and will be regarded with contempt by future generations. Thank Goddess for psychedelics.

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posted 09-24-2003 10:35 PM            

Do you have any idea how massive the basement support collumns had to be to hold up the WTC?

Do you know how many there were?

How many were accessable and not hidden behind walls?

A demolition charge has to be precisely placed, how was this done without anyone from the building noticing?

posted 09-24-2003 10:54 PM            

What does a quote on psychedic plants have anything to do with the discussion of demolition? I have followed your posts and know it is meant to attack Shatoga and his roots.

Obviously, you are a government-sponsered linear drug induced thinker, a true Tricky Dick Nixon acolyte.

Have a six pack, watch some sports, drink a diet coke, eat some hormone and pesticide infused food, curse some "Ay-rabs", and then spout how great George W Bush is, and Puritans were correct to slaughter Native Americans.

posted 09-24-2003 11:01 PM            

Do you have any comments on the engineering issues that I brought up, or is that too difficult for your drug addled, non-linear, brain to handle.

BTW, your attempt to try to put words into my mouth are rather pathetic.

posted 09-25-2003 03:50 AM            

Didnt you SEE IT ON TV?

It was a bunch a' A-rabs who did it...they even left their Koran in a nudie bar before they did it!!

ROFLMAO!

Sept 11th had the CIAs prints all over it. Only someone used to WATCHING TABLOID-STYLE NEWS would consider otherwise.

The Neo-Cons even said it themselves.."We need a pearl-harbor style event to secure dominance in the middle east."

As far as Larsons "Engineering" thesis...i'm not buying it for one second.

Those beams WILL NOT melt from Jet fuel. That is complete BS. You need a freakin'high powered cutting torch just to get through one of those things and it takes forever.

There is no way jet fuel could hav melted them.

Unless you want to turn engineering on its head.

posted 09-25-2003 08:15 AM            

You have been insulting every intelligent poster on this forum, and it's about time you got a little of your own medicine.

You insult my Middle Eastern and Mongolian heritage, and yes, your 29.97 frame per second, conditioned left side of your brain cannot understand what your dormant right brain is thinking.

I request that you be banned for blatant lies, insults, and government conditioning.

Go to Maverick's where you belong, and fight with Load Vader and SlowDowniaquest.

Mech, I agree, Larsen's evaluation of WTC engineering is at best, programmed. WTC7 coming down from debris from the Twin Towers, now that is a joke. I live 3 miles from WTC, and have been down there. No way could that building have been brought down from falling debris, contrary to clean, wholesome, holy, and kind, BushLaden Productions lies. Acetylene at 2500-2800 degree F is what's needed to burn through steel. Now let's see, dark smoke, and inside a building. That indicates lack of oxygen, thus lower temperature.

posted 09-25-2003 11:09 AM            

I've been studying the research and it is soooo obvious!

However, rather than exclude, totally, Saudi participation, you could open to include both! There had to be "fall guys." The building was prewired, knowing that the Saudi's were planning it, the PTB allowed it, and other accompanied U.S. actions to faciliated and even appended the event. I'll give you the links to support this theory, later.

No need for personal attacks! The issues can be debated with respect for all!

Put me down for supporting the demolition aspect of it, however! And I tell you, it took me months to open up to the possibility!

Too much evidence now!

The truth is rising to the surface of our collective consciousness, as many around the world and in this country scrutinize the event. Let's not forget those four brave women, wives of WTC victims, who pressed hard and bravely to get an independent investigation going. Look at PBS's NOW section to get a report on them. They're not to where we are yet, but their investigating will bring the truth to their minds as well because they sleuth the internet too! The findings will be presented next May.

Good work!

posted 09-25-2003 11:23 AM            

We have to go against standard New World Order media programming to see this.

Even my mother-in-law, who in Oct 2001 was saying how great Bush is, now hates his guts.

The most ridiculous assertion of all was the pristine passport of Atta found in the rubble of the WTC, which vaporized everything organic inside the plane.

posted 09-25-2003 11:46 AM            

Sorry about that, please post a link to the exact post where I insulted your Middle Eastern and Mongolian heritage and I promise that I will never do it again.

and yes, your 29.97 frame per second, conditioned left side of your brain cannot understand what your dormant right brain is thinking.

Again with the insults.

I request that you be banned for blatant lies,(please post links to the so-called blatent lies, I will be happy to discuss them one by one ) insults, and government conditioning. Government conditioning? Are you accusing me of ThoughtCrime?

Go to Maverick's where you belong, and fight with Load Vader and SlowDowniaquest. Why, you are funnier

Mech, I agree, Larsen's evaluation of WTC engineering is at best, programmed. WTC7 coming down from debris from the Twin Towers, now that is a joke. I live 3 miles from WTC, and have been down there. No way could that building have been brought down from falling debris, contrary to clean, wholesome, holy, and kind, BushLaden Productions lies. Acetylene at 2500-2800 degree F is what's needed to burn through steel. Now let's see, dark smoke, and inside a building. That indicates lack of oxygen, thus lower temperature.

Try to understand this, the collapse of the WTC towers was a STRUCTURAL collapse, they did not burn down, they failed structurally. You don’t have to melt steel to cause a structural failure. You don’t have to take my word for it, here is an engineering professor from MIT to explain it http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html

http://eagar.mit.edu/EagarPapers/Presentations/WTC_TMS_2002.pdf

That's right communists......er......hippies....er...liberals.....er.....beatniks....er.....homasexuals.......er.......peyote eaters.........er......AY-RABS did it.
Isn't that right Wolf Larceny?

I am not sure what you are trying to say there Swamp. Are you making fun of “communists, hippies, liberals, beatniks, homosexuals, peyote eaters and AY-RABS?”

posted 09-25-2003 12:18 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
For those of you who support the claim that the falling of the WTC towers was aided with demolition .... BRAVO ... KUDOS ... and GOOD COMMON SENSE REASONING .. on your parts!

I've been studying the research and it is soooo obvious!

However, rather than exclude, totally, Saudi participation, you could open to include both! There had to be "fall guys." The building was prewired, knowing that the Saudi's were planning it, the PTB allowed it, and other accompanied U.S. actions to faciliated and even appended the event. I'll give you the links to support this theory, later.

No need for personal attacks! The issues can be debated with respect for all!

Put me down for supporting the demolition aspect of it, however! And I tell you, it took me months to open up to the possibility!

Too much evidence now!

The truth is rising to the surface of our collective consciousness, as many around the world and in this country scrutinize the event. Let's not forget those four brave women, wives of WTC victims, who pressed hard and bravely to get an independent investigation going. Look at PBS's NOW section to get a report on them. They're not to where we are yet, but their investigating will bring the truth to their minds as well because they sleuth the internet too! The findings will be presented next May.

Good work!

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First of all, in spite of what Swamp implies, I do not make personal attacks. I do, however, reserve the right to attack positions that are unsupported by hard data or scientific evidence. I am entirely happy to engage you in a reasonable debate regarding the issue.

I have taken several graduate level engineering courses. In my business career, I have managed and overseen construction work in large high rise buildings. I interact with structural engineers and architects from numerous different firms on a daily basis. I have been present for the explosive demolition of 8 high rise buildings. I have discussed the collapse with these engineers and architects. Not once has any of them indicated thatthey though the collapse was due to anything other than what it appeared to be, a failure of the fire weakened structure.

If you have any education, training or experience that is pertinent to the discussion of the building collapse, then please let us know.

If you live in an area with high rise buildings, then I suggest that you talk to the building maintenance engineer. Ask him (or her) if it would have been possible for someone to “prewire” the WTC for demolition without anyone in the building being aware of it. Remember that in order to “prewire” the building, you need to access all of the support columns on a floor.

posted 09-25-2003 12:35 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by swamp gas:
Welcome Boomer Chick,

We have to go against standard New World Order media programming to see this.

Even my mother-in-law, who in Oct 2001 was saying how great Bush is, now hates his guts.

The most ridiculous assertion of all was the pristine passport of Atta found in the rubble of the WTC, which vaporized everything organic inside the plane.

WHo did it? Can't say 100%, but I do know it was not what NBCNNABCBSFOXNPR said it is.

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Thanks, Swamp Gas!

Yeah, I read about that, too! All the evidence is piling up and it's quite the picture! Back in 2002, I didn't believe that chemtrails even existed either! Wow! It's been many months of reading and thinking to get where I am and you are. I would even go so far as to suspect that the Pentagon crash was no airliner, which I poo-pooed at the beginning of all this! I have the best link on WTC and have to find it! One of our board members on NWD yahoo has been dedicated to the research and I finally began to see the light through his dedication and my reading!

I'm concerned about HAARP as well and this rush to space domination. Did you read about the lights up in British Columbia with beams? It is posted on http://coasttocoastam.com I suspect HAARP experimenting with holographic beams. Of course I don't know, but as you see, my mind has been cracked open to see the larger pictures of everything and at least considers alternative explanations for the usual media slop.

I don't want to be a blind citizen. I feel it my patriotic duty to spend a lot of my time in gleening knowledge that seems to be supressed in our system. Who would have ever thought it so? I love the internet! We must protect it's freedoms as well!

Here's a good site you might have read already on the WTC http://www.wanttoknow.info/
the best one yet is on serendipity and for some stupid reason I didn't save it! Then I changed my e-mail over to another and deleted a bunch of my e-mails so I'll have to message my WTC investigating guy and get it again!

It's not pleasant to realize that our government might have turned the other way or planned for the event or even constucted parts of it. It's not pleasant, but it has to be done if we are to preserve our way of life, our freedoms, and our democratic republic for surely through the WTC fear, this administration has taken off into a wrong track to destroy our nation and all others! Why? I don't know -- the illuminati, the stupidity and fear-based consciousness of misled and cracked minds? But the more the truth comes out the more we all realize we must be part of realizing the truth and doing something about it!

Activism, after knowledge, has to be part of our efforts and I know this board realizes that!

I also have marched for peace and go through political channels through organizations and my own communicating with reps in Congress and the Senate.

I have time and what better way to spend it than to maintain vigilent awareness on aspects of our lives that may threaten the very bedrock of our hard won freedoms and civil rights, our nation's highest ideals, and the realization that our nation's leaders have gone wacko! So glad your mother-in-law has seen the truth about Bush! My mother-in-law has passed over and my own mother, I assume, has not liked him at all. I marched against Viet Nam in college, and I'm "marching" every day. I also marched five times since last September against the war and I will in October to bring the troops home. I don't know if you're my sons' age, in their twenties, but if you're in your twenties or thirties I commend you heartily! Sometimes I feel it will be up to the students, the young, and the boomers to wake up the rest of busy America and get them to the polls and to higher consciousness on all of this! I might also add that I am spiritual and believe in the spiritual aspect of this present battle we find ourselves in. I hope you don't negate the vast and positive affect our spirituality in conjunction with our search for truth and our activism has on the eventual outcome!

Thanks again for the welcome and know that we are on the same page! It took awhile, but I'm following my heart and head in balance as all true patriots should! Heh?

Love and peace,

posted 09-25-2003 12:45 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
Thanks, Larson!

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So what about it, BC, do you care to discuss the collapse?

posted 09-25-2003 12:51 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Wolf_Larson:

First of all, in spite of what Swamp implies, I do not make personal attacks. I do, however, reserve the right to attack positions that are unsupported by hard data or scientific evidence. I am entirely happy to engage you in a reasonable debate regarding the issue.

I have taken several graduate level engineering courses. In my business career, I have managed and overseen construction work in large high rise buildings. I interact with structural engineers and architects from numerous different firms on a daily basis. I have been present for the explosive demolition of 8 high rise buildings. I have discussed the collapse with these engineers and architects. Not once has any of them indicated thatthey though the collapse was due to anything other than what it appeared to be, a failure of the fire weakened structure.

If you have any education, training or experience that is pertinent to the discussion of the building collapse, then please let us know.

If you live in an area with high rise buildings, then I suggest that you talk to the building maintenance engineer. Ask him (or her) if it would have been possible for someone to “prewire” the WTC for demolition without anyone in the building being aware of it. Remember that in order to “prewire” the building, you need to access all of the support columns on a floor.

Remember also that the WTC had a unique structural layout. Find out how often the columns enclosures in the core and along the perimeter wall are opened up. Keep in mind also that some of the fireproofing on the columns contained asbestos. Ask the building manager what they have to do to if they expose this material in the course of a construction project.

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Hello Larson!

I do respect your knowledge about buildings, Larson. I also respect those who have the same kind of knowledge and their observations of the WTC collapse. You are not the only engineer who has examined this event in our nation and around the world. I will find you those links, though, OK?

I am not qualified to use my own knowledge base on this as my B.A.'s are not in the science field, let alone the engineering field so my opinions are based on the readings from those who are qualified. Maybe I can present these links and you can comment upon them?

I respect your ability to debate issues with the respect for evidence and proof of opinions through either common sense rhetorical debate or scientific evidence. In the case of demolition, of course it would have to be scientific.

I'll find those links for you, soon, so that you'll have something concrete to deal with!

I am convinced through my reading, though, but you are free to debate the issue with the evidence presented. Is that fair? And I will stay open to your arguments.

Best,

posted 09-25-2003 01:03 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Wolf_Larson:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
[b] Thanks, Larson!

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So what about it, BC, do you care to discuss the collapse?

[/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry! I changed it as soon as I realized! Takes awhile to know who is who!

Yes, I would love to contribute on the collapse as a demolition thread! I have some great links to support the theory of the demolition, as I said.

posted 09-25-2003 01:23 PM            

I don't care what your background is. You are conditioned by the NWO to think a certain way. Protecting the Little Hitlers in power. I am for the little guy, the victims if you will. You are protecting the perps. Plain and simple. Hard scientific facts? Ha! There is no such thing as Pure Science, the Rosetta Stone you so boldly claim you possess. Science is tainted for political and economic ends, and whatever you and the NWO apologists say, there is somebody to contradict it.

Did you forget that in WTC93, the FBI actually helped make the bombs that were detonated. Oh I forgot, good, wholesome, clean, and holy government would never do such a thing. They all are in touch with god. What a freakin' joke!

Don't throw around Orwellian ideas of accusations of Thought Crime. Remember, it is your brethren...Bush, Ashcroft, Nixon, Mc Carthy, and Coulter that want laws to restrict what people say and do. Not me.

As far as the above mentioned victims of White Supremacy, I was parodying you. Don't turn this around. It is you who attacks people ideas. That to me is a reverse thought criminal. A thought perpetrator if you will. Again, I am giving back exactly what you put out.

The 29.97 FPS conditioning is not an insult. Just the truth. If I want to hear the government line, I can turn on any TV media, and it's there in full blip-vert reality. You are not saying anything new that hasn't been spewed forth from the "Tube that gives radiation-The Drug of a Nation".

posted 09-25-2003 01:23 PM            

OK, here's my contribution to the evidence in support of the WTC towers collapse aided by demolition. Those of you who want to argue with any of the evidence presented, please feel free and please use quotes and refutations to the quotes. This will help everyone hash through it. I find the arguments on this site quite convincing, though I'm sure from more scientifically educated minds, we can get a better sense of it.
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html

Game on!

posted 09-25-2003 09:14 PM            

QUOTE
You are conditioned by the NWO to think a certain way.

posted 09-25-2003 09:38 PM            

Further, through one of the stupidest blunders of pre-911, the city had installed an above ground emergency generator fuel tank on the first floor of that building. The fuel form that and other tanks in that building burned for weeks.

The fire department elected to let it burn because

1) The water mains were damaged from the tower collapse