posted 10-03-2003 02:10 PM            

LA Times 08/14/02: Jonathon Turley

Original Link: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-
turley14aug14.story (removed)

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he

deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political

embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow
him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily
strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by
declaring them "enemy combatants".

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings
and reconsideration of Ashcroft's fitness for this important office.
Whereas
Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a
clear and present threat to our liberties.

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft's small inner
circle, which has been carefully watching two test cases to see whether
this vision could become a reality. The cases of Jose Padilla and Yaser
Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without
charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the
government.

Hamdi has been held without charge even though the facts of his case are
virtually identical to those in the case of John Walker Lindh. Both Hamdi
and Lindh were captured in Afghanistan as foot soldiers in Taliban units.
Yet Lindh was given a lawyer and a trial, while Hamdi rots in a floating
Navy brig in Norfolk, Va.

This week, the government refused to comply with a federal judge who
ordered that he be given the underlying evidence justifying Hamdi's
treatment. The Justice Department has insisted that the judge must simply
accept its declaration and cannot interfere with the president's absolute
authority in "a time of war."

[Eleanor talking: Bye bye, "checks and balances"!]

In Padilla's case, Ashcroft initially claimed that the arrest stopped a
plan to detonate a radioactive bomb in New York or Washington, D.C. The
administration later issued an embarrassing correction that there was no
evidence Padilla was on such a mission. What is clear is that Padilla is
an American citizen and was arrested in the United States--two facts that
should trigger the full application of constitutional rights.

Ashcroft hopes to use his self-made "enemy combatant" stamp for any
citizen whom he deems to be part of a wider terrorist conspiracy.

Perhaps because of his discredited claims of preventing radiological
terrorism, aides have indicated that a "high-level committee" will
recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights

and sent to Ashcroft's new camps.

Few would have imagined any attorney general seeking to reestablish such
camps for citizens. Of course, Ashcroft is not considering camps on the
order of the internment camps used to incarcerate Japanese American
citizens in World War II. But he can be credited only with thinking
smaller; we have learned from painful experience that unchecked authority,

once tasted, easily becomes insatiable.

We are only now getting a full vision of Ashcroft's America. Some of his
predecessors dreamed of creating a great society or a nation unfettered by

racism. Ashcroft seems to dream of a country secured from itself, neatly
contained and controlled by his judgment of loyalty.

For more than 200 years, security and liberty have been viewed as
coexistent values. Ashcroft and his aides appear to view this relationship

as lineal, where security must precede liberty.

Since the nation will never be entirely safe from terrorism, liberty has
become a mere rhetorical justification for increased security.

Ashcroft is a catalyst for constitutional devolution, encouraging citizens

to accept autocratic rule as their only way of avoiding massive terrorist
attacks.

His greatest problem has been preserving a level of panic and fear that
would induce a free people to surrender the rights so dearly won by their
ancestors.

In "A Man for All Seasons," Sir Thomas More was confronted by a young
lawyer, Will Roper, who sought his daughter's hand. Roper proclaimed that
he would cut down every law in England to get after the devil.

More's response seems almost tailored for Ashcroft: "And when the last law

was down and the devil turned round on you, where would you hide, Roper,
the laws all being flat? ... This country's planted thick with laws from
coast to coast ... and if you cut them down--and you are just the man to
do it--do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would

blow then?"

Every generation has had Ropers and Ashcrofts who view our laws and
traditions as mere obstructions rather than protections in times of peril.

But before we allow Ashcroft to denude our own constitutional landscape,
we must take a stand and have the courage to say, "Enough."

posted 10-03-2003 02:20 PM            

Even before HERR ASHCROFT came into power..

Also less widely reported..those same camps will be used for forced "immunizations" under the Model States Emergency Health Powers Act.

posted 10-03-2003 04:34 PM            

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

posted 10-03-2003 04:36 PM            

CAMPS:
A rightwing buddy used to send links and comments about camps near his house.
He last e-mailed he was going to present his evidence to a reporter from FOX (faux) 'news'.

Never have gotten any more communications from him since.
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A comment about me at NJ online politics (Dec 2000):
"That's the kind of Liberal we'll send to the camps first."

IMMUNIZATIONS:
>Implantable Spy Chip Gets Green Light from U.S. http://sci.newsfactor.com/perl/story/17127.html
Quote:
A South Florida man, Jeff Jacobs, is expected to be the first recipient of the VeriChip. ...
Brazilian politician Antonio de Cunha Lima has been trying to become the first South American to use the implant chip, according to published reports....

First Florida, Then the World

The company, which first announced the chip in December 2001, said it will launch the product in the next three weeks, first in Florida and then nationwide and internationally. (April 5, 2002)

The biochip is a miniature, implantable radio frequency identification device (RFID) roughly the size of a grain of rice. It is composed of "FDA-accepted materials," according to the company, and each chip contains a unique verification number.

That number is "captured" by passing a scanner over the chip, causing a small amount of radio frequency energy to pass through the skin and activate the dormant chip. The chip then transmits the verification number on a radio frequency of 125 KHz.<

Democratic "undergrounds" are springing up around the web.
Last time I contributed to one of them via credit card.
I began to get conservative mailings right after.
I'd used a unique name and address for only that credit card.

"The best way to handle the opposition is to control it ourselves." V.I. Lenin

From 1984 by Orwell:
>...a totalitarian society led by Big Brother, which censors everyone’s behavior, even their thoughts.
Winston is disgusted with his oppressed life and secretly longs to join the fabled Brotherhood, a supposed group of underground rebels intent on overthrowing the government....

...the impression that O'Brien was a member of the Brotherhood.
Since Julia hated the party as much as Winston did,
they went to O'Brien’s house together where they were introduced into the Brotherhood.
O'Brien is actually a faithful member of the Inner-Party and this is actually a trap for Winston, a trap that O'Brien has been cleverly setting<

Try to convince me tha RNC members haven't read 1984.

http://www.bivings.com/news/gopteamleader.html
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001023-4.html
First post has quotes from an article excised from the internet:
>Berman & Co, runs a fake public interest site called ActivistCash.com, which seeks to persuade the foundations giving money to campaigners to desist.
Berman also runs the "Centre for Consumer Freedom", which looks like a citizens' group but lobbies against smoking bans, alcohol restrictions and health warnings on behalf of tobacco, drinks and fast food companies.
The marketing firm Nichols Dezenhall set up a site called StopEcoViolence, another "citizens' initiative", demonising activists.<

A fake "underground" for Liberals is right up their alley.

posted 10-03-2003 04:47 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by FLKook:

The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

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>Winston and Julia are sent to the Ministry of Love which is a sort of rehabilitation center for criminals accused of thoughtcrime.<

Mental health facility?

Soviets put citizens in mental instutions, because
One had to be crazy to oppose the communists.

Concentration Camps In America

Seems to also fit in this topic.

Quote:
http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm
>Secret US Police Concentration Camps
In a revealing admission in June, 1997, the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations."
Amid widespread rumors, Congressman Henry Gonzales clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview, Gonzalez stated, "The truth is yes--you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here . . . whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism . . . evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."<

{over the edge in my opinion: } http://www.freedomdomain.com/concamp.html
Quote:

>Concentration Camps In America
Is it true? Is the Military or FEMA preparing to round up
dissident civilians and lock them up in Slave Labor Camps?
Believe it or not, this issue has been talked about in this country since the 1960's. The Japanese were interned during the Second World War. We are currently under Martial Law in America. Before Hitler took power, he passed laws making everything he was about to do legal. He then passd anti-gun legislation to reduce the possibility of opposition. All of the laws have been passed in this country giving the power to the President to suspend the Constitution under a so-called "Declared State of National Emergency". The power has also been given to the president to use the Military in Civilian Law Enforcement as well as the power to round up large groups of civilians.
The same Wall Street Bankers who put Hitler in power are capable and willing to have a Holocaust in America. If there is ONE DOLLAR to be made, there is a banker willing to throw a Revolution.
1st there was "Rex-84 Bravo". During the Iran-Contra hearings I couldn't believe my ears when I heard a Representative asking Oliver North if he was involved in a plan or knew anything of a plan to suspend the Constitution and another Representative stepped in and asked him to refrain from asking a question like that because it pertains to "National Security". This was frightening but I was just out of High School at the time and took it to mean government was a little out of hand as usual. This contributed alot to my desire to study these types of issues and I have fro 10 years now.
The ONE THING I CAN SAY FOR SURE IS "THE EVIDENCE LOOKS FRIGHTNING!"
Don't take my word for it, look up the laws yourself.
Here they are :
There is also "Operation Garden Plot" and "Operation Lasso", both centered on "RACIAL TENSION and the L.A. RIOTS in order to bring about a "CHAOTIC" state , justifying the use of the Military. Fred Celani is on tape from inside a Federal Prison discussing how he was recruited by the CIA and how he has been involved in operations like "Operation Lasso" where he was provided with guns, drugs and money to distribute around the area of Florence and Normandy two weeks prior to the riots. He also discusses recruiting L.A. street gang leaders to do assignments and he talks about personally dropping Damian Williams off at the corner off Florance and Normandy the day he beat up Reginald Denny. THIS IS THE "ORDO AB CHAO" MASONIC MOTTO AT WORK. Create CHAOS, then create ORDER through the already created "SOLUTION" i.e. MILITARY, MARTIAL LAW, and ultimately this paves the way to round up civilians.
FEMA has been put in control of National Emergency Situations. FEMA has several underground facilities and several recently built facilities in conjunction with rebuilt railroad stations.
This is going on around the country and has been reported and photographed. The SCARY element of these facilities is the long cattle fencing with BARBED WIRE TURNED INWARD, obviously to keep people from escaping. There are jail bars and turnstiles and large gas furnices in full view. There are also vents on top of the ground showing the size of the underground areas (Very Large). TAKE A LOOK AT THESE PICTURES!!
http://www.freedomdomain.com/concamp2.html

posted 10-03-2003 05:27 PM            

I recommend the following video just recently released.

POLICE STATE III, TOTAL ENSLAVEMENT

http://www.infowars.com/enslavement.htm

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