posted 10-05-2003 10:01 AM            

Iraq war 'unjustifiable', says Bush's church head

Ed Vulliamy in New York
Sunday October 20, 2002
The Observer

President George Bush's own Methodist church has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq, saying they are 'without any justification according to the teachings of Christ'.
Jim Winkler, head of social policy for United Methodists, added that all attempts at a 'dialogue' between the President and his own church over the war had fallen on deaf ears at the White House.

His remarks came as the US continued its efforts to achieve agreement on a UN resolution that would open the way for a tough programme of weapons inspections in Iraq. France is believed to be concerned that the current draft resolution might still act as a trigger for military intervention without a full Security Council debate if Iraq fails to comply.

Winkler is general secretary of the Board of Church and Society for the United Methodist church, which counts the President and the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, among its members. The church represents eight to nine million regular churchgoers and is the third biggest in America.

The Methodist Church, he says, is not pacifist, but 'rejects war as a usual means of national policy'. Methodist scriptural doctrine, he added, specifies 'war as a last resort, primarily a defensive thing. And so far as I know, Saddam Hussein has not mobilised military forces along the borders of the United States, nor along his own border to invade a neighbouring country, nor have any of these countries pleaded for our assistance, not does he have weapons of mass destruction targeted at the United States'.

Winkler said his church was 'keenly aware' that it counted the President and his deputy among its members, and that he was therefore 'frequently encouraged by others to be very careful about how I say things'.

posted 10-05-2003 11:18 AM            

Heres some poetry for you.

Armegeddon days. By: The-The

They're 5 miles high as the crow flies
leavin' vapour trails against a blood red sky
Movin' in from the East toward the West
with Balaclava helmets over their heads, yes!
But if you think that Jesus Christ is coming
Honey you've got another thing coming
If he ever finds out who's hi-jacked his name
He'll cut out his heart and turn in his grave
Islam is rising
The Christians mobilising
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
It's war, she cried, It's war, she cried, this is war
Drop your possessions, all you simple folk
You will fight them on the beaches in your underclothes
You will thank the good lord for raising the union jack
You'll watch the ships out of harbour
and the bodies come floating back
If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today
He'd be gunned down cold by the C.I.A.
Oh, the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass
Will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart
But God didn't build himself that throne
God doesn't live in Israel or Rome
God belong to the yankee dollar
God doesn't plant the bombs for Hezbollah
God doesn't even go to church
And God won't send us down to Allah to burn
No, God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reap what it's sown
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
Armageddon days are here again

posted 10-06-2003 09:55 AM            

Do you think the robots who would vote for Bush cares whether he is a Bonesman or not?

They'll say something like, "As long as he's a religious man".

I mean, Republicans backing up Schwantzenholder, after Hitler praising and groping 15 woman up to this point.

But when Clinton gets involved with CONSENSUAL sex, who ho ho, the pious puritans are out in force. But for Ahhnuld, "Oh he said he's sorry".

Hypocrites...That's all.

posted 10-06-2003 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by KNOW-THIS:
Just like the pill popping Rush Limbaugh does. He's already being forgiven for his illegal drug use and racial slurs by the right. Could you imagine the onslaught if it were a democrat? I refuse to accept such illogical perceptions as legitimate political beliefs.

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As I've said, Linear minds like Linear Drugs.

They go nuts over Ecstasy, but Ripe Limburger has bushels full of stupifying drugs, but everything is OK.

posted 10-06-2003 09:34 PM            

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she's a he

well mech I see were breaking the rules again oh but it's ok if you do it, yes swamp called you three by your full names hypocrite.

remember your own forum rules about false information but then again all you guys put together have been bringing false info from day one so whats new.

posted 10-06-2003 10:44 PM            

Those werent MY words.

Someone here stated you are a black female.

Don't remember where.

Thats up to you to correct that.

Well?

But back on topic..

posted 10-06-2003 11:50 PM            

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Originally posted by the professor:
well mech I see were breaking the rules again oh but it's ok if you do it, yes swamp called you three by your full names hypocrite.

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You're lying again Professor! I was speaking of Ripe Limburger and Schwantzholder.......

Better Watch out, here comes those lightening bolts!

posted 10-07-2003 08:22 AM            

"Ripe limburger"

Thats about accurate!

The stinkiest, nastiest cheese of them all!

posted 10-07-2003 09:25 AM            

And Schwantzholder is liked to Schlosskäse cheese, a stinky Austrian mold.