posted 11-30-2003 04:30 PM            

you certainly seem to be a 'live wire', having The Spirit of The Founders coursing through your veins. Your perception of "current events" and much of "how we got here", from my perspective seems fair, and I don't think you mean to be partisan (politically).

In my mind to make it short, I am of the belief that what Ashcroft and his accomplices want to do to this country is UN-American and their lust for control and the advance of The Police State is not in the interest of "democracy" (or a Republic if you prefer). Many Americans as you well know added their names and communities that opposed "patriot" act 1. I am VERY concerned too, that if some INSIDE group wanted to further attempt to consolidate power (with patriot act 2 in the wings) their would be a HARD struggle for power.

When one reads Project For A New American Century material it's easy to come away with the idea these Guys have been planning war for a reasonably Long time and a HUGE Powere Grab.( No bid contracts? Mmmm. How "American" is that?) That pipelines in Afghanistan were a National Security "must" and that the economy would still sink if new "markets" couldn't be aquired is crucial to understand. Look at the stock market reactions to the "wars". Look at their lowest points. Know that if Iraq couldn't be switched back away from The Euro and if other oil producers fell, American Business
would be left out. Saddam reportedly had oil contracts with France, Russia, Germany?, but where would the U.S. have been if sanctions had been lifted. Out in the cold. The old pattern of the military being used as a "can opener" to pry open markets seems at work here.

Last thing here, I am always a little suspect when any one of my "leaders" alludes to things "being easier if I were dictator". Three times, kind of like Peter's denial in reverse. I am convinced there are those now that no longer believe in "Democracy" and instead are ready to follow 'Rockefellers' 100% Rule by Elite (or cash if you prefer). When I see pictures coming back from Florida of *Robos* in jack booted action against mom and pop and sister, It is hard not to conclude it is later than it seems. For what its worth.

posted 11-30-2003 04:50 PM            

See...Republicans get upset when they hear someone criticise Bush and his cabinet...Immediately they think "OH...since the liberals are attacking Bush..Bush must be good".

Its a subtle form of blindness. Works the same with the left. Many of them think "Oh...things will be all better if we just get rid of Bush and get a Democrat in office".

The situation we are facing is a lot more serious than most people are willing to admit.

I don't see it that way. Personally...I'd like a combination of (R) Congressman Ron Paul and (D) Dennis Kucinich..both Champion national sovereignty and hate NAFTA/GATT that's turning us into another 3rd world.

Nothing is going to change or will get worse with our present SE-Lected leaders (Clinton, Bush etc.) This country was taken over completely after the Kennedy assasinantion...even though before hand the globalists had a lot of power..it really took off after that.

The system needs a change too...not just our leaders. Right now weve replaced Capitalism with Crony Capitalism...elitist capitalism and consolidation of wealth and power at the top.

posted 11-30-2003 05:56 PM            

"The situation we are facing is a lot more serious than most people are willing to admit", is one I fully concur with. But is this current push for consolidation of power simply based on Empire's greed, or is there a FEAR of a fundamental economic time bomb. Do you think Ascroft's "Hellish Visi
on For America" article that talks about his desire for "prison camps" sees a man in fear, or one that wants to seize power.

I think it's safe to say, that there is a pattern of countries seizeing power at home, when they go off to seize empire, as one might expect. But again I have to wonder. Y2K which I partially fell for, now looking back I think was MOSTLY an overblown hoax to fleece taxpayers for billions of dollars of Fed (and other) computer equipment.It pulled us once again away from the precipace of a tumbling economic cycle. Capitalism (which is not Democracy) seems to be running out of ideas to keep the markets alive and as a result those in power look to the obvious resources of others to seize and use to keep the fires burning. Nothing new here under the sun.

It is interesting you mention Kucinich and Ron Paul. I regularly read Paul's newsletters and though I hold Libertarian styled freedom dear, I might not have a problem voting for someone like Dennis simply because he comes across as about the ONLY reasonably honest candidate out there. I'm so tired of lyers and the direction of the Neo-cons (NOT true conservatives) that I might scrap my Harry Brown thinking for ONE election. A Kucinich Executive Branch and a Republican Congress wouldn't look so bad these days after what I see as Neo-convict leadership. But perhaps only if as you say it was "tempered" by a Ron Paul styled accountability.

But to end this note, I'm not really looking for any political "saviour" other than perhaps The Cows one day fully awakening and realizing there IS life outside The barbed-wire. Or razor wire as the case may be.

posted 11-30-2003 09:24 PM            

There was a huge shift from (D) to (R) by members of congress back in 1994.

Anybody remember those guys who took over then promised to limit government and reduce the debt?

I've followed Ron Paul's letters and statements ever since he defeated a guy named George HW Bush in a primary back in the 1970's.
I lived in that district and had campaigned for Bush, then switched to Paul when he won the(R)primary.

All through the 1990's, Ron Paul obsessed that our Constitutional government would fall at the very next executive Order by the hated Bill Clinton.

After passage of the Patriot Act;
Ron Paul's letters mildly disapproved of the direction of the Administration.
He said, back then, that the real danger of the USA Patriot act would be if a Democrat got ahold of those powers, with which he then trusted Bush and Ashcroft.

Partisan politics got us into this mess.

Believing that all criticism of Bush was just mudslinging by Liberals,
and voting for and trusting blindly "anyone with an (R) next to his name"

Every Executive order on "Federalism" by Clinton:
ordered all agencies of the Executive branch to 'Obey the Constitution in all actions and all regulation.'
Yet Ron Paul believed voices from within his own party instead of reading those executive orders for himself.
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/disposition_tables.html
Federalism: EO 13083; EO 13095; EO 13132
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1999_register&docid=fr10au99-133.pdf

Actually visit the above link and read section 2:
>...agencies shall be guided by the following fundamental federalism principles:
b. the people of the Sattes created the federal government and delegated to it enumerated governmental powers.
All other sovereign powers save those expressly prohibited the states by the Constitution, are reserved to the states or to the people.<

How can any rational person can read the exact words of the orders Clinton gave and still hate the guy?
(Yeah he lied in a damn civil suit! -a misdemeanor- Lied about sex like Catholic Priests and Bishops do. Bush revealing the identity of a CIA agent was a felony! for Christ's sake/ have a sense of proportion

Partisan politics got us into this mess!
It's time to stop hating everybody on the other side and stop trusting everybody on your own side.

I'd post criticism of Democrats too, except the media does that quite well.

Read Clinton's Executive orders on Federalism.
His attempts to rein in the government, his orders to obey the US Constitution.

Then
Read what Bush signed into law!
(the darn thing reads like an updated english language translation of Hitler's enabling Act)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/warpower/3162.html
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/usapatriot/RL31200.pdf

The full text of the law can be obtained at www.access.gpo.gov/congress.
Scroll to public and private laws, select 107th Congress, and select Public Law 107-56.

On October 26, 2001, President Bush signed into law the "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act of 2001"

>The Enabling Act

On March 23, 1933, the newly elected members of the German Parliament (the Reichstag) met in the Kroll Opera House in Berlin to consider passing Hitler’s Enabling Act. It was officially called the ‘Law for Removing the Distress of the People and the Reich.’ If passed, it would effectively mean the end of democracy in Germany and establish the legal dictatorship of Adolf Hitler.

The ‘distress’ had been secretly caused by the Nazis themselves in order to create a crisis atmosphere that would make the law seem necessary to restore order. On February 27, 1933, they had burned the Reichstag building, seat of the German government, causing panic and outrage. The Nazis successfully blamed the fire on the Communists and claimed it marked the beginning of a widespread uprising.

On the day of the vote, Nazi storm troopers gathered in a show of force around the opera house chanting, “Full powers - or else! We want the bill - or fire and murder!!” They also stood inside in the hallways, and even lined the aisles where the vote would take place, glaring menacingly at anyone who might oppose Hitler’s will.
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Congressman Bart Gordon:
>October 26, 2001, Anthrax infections have produced understandable concern in some of us, just what terrorist organizations targeting the world’s greatest beacon of democracy want. Congress, the United States Postal Service and major media outlets have borne the brunt of this latest attack.
Despite congressional office buildings being closed for a few days to allow thorough environmental sweeps, Congress continued its business. Legislation dealing with tougher anti-terrorism measures, including procedures to prevent additional bio-terrorism attacks, worked its way through the House and the Senate during the same time our office buildings were closed.
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Hitler has storm troopers all over the Reichstag and Bush had military and police all over capitol hill.
that anthrax scare shut down House and Senate offices and prevented anyone reading the Patriot Act.
It was a yes or no vote on a bill not available for reading.
Amid loud proclamations that all patriotic Americans would support the President.
Only one Senator had the courage to vote against it.
http://www.thedocketonline.com/article.asp?iID=31&artID=500

>Is America Moving Closer to Tyranny?

Robert Deal

10/8/2002 (Uploaded on 10/8/2002 7:29:03 PM)


In front of a full GMUSL lecture hall on Thursday, September 26, one full year after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) asked students to ponder the question "Is America moving closer to tyranny?"

Known as "Dr. No" by colleagues because of his staunch voting record against bills not explicitly supported by the Constitution, Paul analyzed the government's response to the attacks, showing why he felt the White House and Congress are no longer able to stop a trend of Constitutional undermining that he says dates back to the implementation of the federal income tax. He also expressed feelings that the government is using the times of crisis and falling economy as a means to take away the civil liberties of American citizens.

"In a time of crisis, people are willing to give up liberty for protection," he said. "We don't have to do that. I truly believe that national defense can be used to protect that liberty without violating civil liberties."

Paul believes that Congress first moved in the wrong direction following the Sept. 11 attacks with its passage of The Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act of 2001. He said that the Act does little to actually stop terrorists, but causes a great deal of harm to American civil liberties.

"The Patriot Act was our solution," Paul said. "[Congress's] assumption is that they know who the terrorists are... and that [the Act] is only against them, but that is obviously not true."

While Paul claims that the House debates about the bill's specific elements were successful in "taming down" a stricter Senate proposal, he believes that the floor bent the rules in the end, introducing a revised edition at 5 a.m. He added that copies of the version to be voted on were not made available to members prior to the vote.
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posted 04-20-2004 10:19 AM            

MARTIAL LAW BY JUNE 2004 SOLD BY 'NIGHTLINE'

Posted By: Argus
Date: Monday, 19 April 2004, 12:19 a.m.

This theme is being pushed in the mainstream media again and again,conditioning the public for acceptance..

Nightline Sells Martial Law, by Scott Loughrey Current rating: 1
by Scottl44
Email: scottL44 (nospam) yahoo.com (verified) 16 Apr 2004

Will the US be under martial law by June, 2004? That is the impression some are expressing after witnessing a recent episode of Nightline (4/7/2004), with Ted Koppel. On this particular program Koppel is host to Richard Clarke, former Reagan officials Edwin Meese III and Kenneth M. Duberstein; former Clinton official Sally Katzen, author James Mann, and former Bush() official Richard Clarke. The subject matter is named The Armageddon Plan.

Because many US citizens hold favorable views of Richard Clarke he was playing a key role. His affability enables him to convey the dark plans of the Bush Regime to critical observers without alarming the unconcious masses. On this program Clarke was on to inform elite audiences that they better get used to the idea the Bush Regime will sponsor a cataclysmic event in order to plunge the US under martial law.

Richard Clarke is already a legend in the world of propaganda. So far the Bush Regime has parlayed his "defection" from them with great success. As Karl Rove probably surmised, The Left Gatekeepers (e.g., Democracy Now! and Counterpunch, etc.) have been only very eager to treat Clarke's mild disagreements with the Bush Regime as their outer limit of permissible dialogue. With the liberal US media regarding Clarke's thesis that the Bush Regime was merely negligent about 9-11 as if it were the only idea possible the White House sailed through the 9-11 Commission/Coverup proceedings.

Now that the 9-11 Commission/Coverup has been safely wrapped for the Bush Regime the mainstream media is now giving some focus to James Mann’s curiously-timed book (Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet, Viking Press, 2004)). Vulcans concerns the efforts of present and past White House officials to establish a set of procedures for the highest-levels of government to follow should a catastrophic attack occur on US soil.

(Note that Nightline has dropped the moniker Rise of the Vulcans for the more Regime-friendly The Armageddon Plan. The latter conveys a greater sense of a Regime reacting to a stimulus, not being the source of it.)

The segment began with congenial chatter between the past and present government officials. As if he is hosting a dinner party Koppel smoothly has his guests reminisce fondly about past drills performed by high-level government officials to test their emergency preparedness. Koppel then imagines an attack that decimates the US Congress. They break for a timely commercial. After the break Koppel immediately launches into the key part of their script: “…aren't [we] left for at least the foreseeable future with some sort of martial law anyway?”

Duberstein agrees with Koppel, adding “You have to suspend rights.”

Koppel continues by saying: “…And during that period, then, and given the sense of panic that is inevitable under circumstances like this, the executive branch of government takes on extraordinary power, doesn't it?”

Clarke agrees by saying: “I think in any war where Washington were [sic] destroyed, inevitably, there would be a period of, for lack of a better term, something like martial law. The key here is, though, that the plans all call for going back to a normal three-branch system, as rapidly as possible.”

Koppel reacts to Clarke's ideas by suggesting what he has said is a new idea to many leaders in Washington. Sure it is, Ted. The conversation quickly winds down.

Nightline's very efficient use of Richard Clarke to prepare elite viewers for martial law is leading other observers on the Net to reluctantly conclude the merciless Bush Regime is actively planning the catalyst for their own Armagaddon Plan. In a different world perhaps, the journalist leading a nationally-televised discussion about the prospects of the US government under martial law would look Clarke in the eye and ask him if the Bush Regime isn't planning to set off some nukes shortly in some city close to Washington DC (e.g., Baltimore). It really isn't that hard to imagine that the prospect of ruling planet Earth from a secret, underground bunker would gladden Dick Cheney’s venal heart. He's been practicing in secret locations for decades in gleeful anticipation for such a moment.