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Mech
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posted 12-23-2003 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Condi and the 9/11 Commission


National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice is apparently not keen on going under oath for the Kean 9/11 commission.


By TIMOTHY J. BURGER WASHINGTON
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,565974,00.html

Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003
Poised to convene its first hard-hitting hearings in January, the federal commission investigating the 9/11 attacks continues to be at odds with the White House over access to key information and witnesses. Two government sources tell TIME that National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice is arguing over ground rules for her appearance in part because she does not want to testify under oath or, according to one source, in public. While national security advisers are presidential staff and generally don’t have to appear before Congress, the commission argues that its jurisdiction is broader—and it's been requiring fact witnesses in its massive investigation to testify under oath. The exception: it may not seek to swear in President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Bill Clinton or Al Gore in the increasingly likely event they will be asked to speak to the commission. "I think that it is in their interest to meet with us," says GOP commission member John Lehman, saying that they should be invited, not subpoenaed, and be allowed to appear behind closed doors.

With such high-profile testimony in the offing, it’s no wonder the commission chairman, Republican Tom Kean, was telling reporters last week to expect major revelations from the investigative hearings expected to begin in late January.

He also suggested that the 9/11 attacks might have been prevented if mid-level government officials at various government agencies had done their jobs. As for senior officials like Rice or her predecessor, Clinton NSA Sandy Berger, and their bosses, Kean said the commission was still studying whether they share the blame. Rice could face tough questioning. One Republican commissioner says a comment by Rice last year—that no one “could have predicted that they would try to use a…hijacked airplane as a missile”—was "an unfortunate comment . . . that was, of course, a wrong-footed statement on its face," given that there was years of intelligence about Al Qaeda's interest in airplane attacks.

Whether she signs up willingly to testify now is still an open question. But the commission wants to hear from her. Said Democratic commissioner Tim Roemer: "The Presidents and Vice Presidents and national security advisers in both administrations should appear." Spokesmen for Rice and the commission had no comment on the talks but a senior Rice aide insisted that "Dr. Rice and the White House continue to work amiably with the commission, consistent with the President's desire to make staff available in accordance with his ability to fight the war on terrorism."

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JerseyBluEyz
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posted 12-23-2003 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerseyBluEyz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm! Why do you think she’s adverse to testifying in public? If she’s going to expose, or more than likely lie about what she knows, why would it matter if it’s in public or behind closed doors? Do you think her conscience might bother her more if she lied publicly KNOWING that everyone will see it over and over on CNN? Sounds like a conscience issue to me.

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Mech
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posted 12-23-2003 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you already know why JBE.


SF Mayor Willie Brown phone call a day before Sept 11th ring a bell?

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posted 12-23-2003 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letxa2000   Visit letxa2000's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JerseyBluEyz:
Hmmm! Why do you think she’s adverse to testifying in public? If she’s going to expose, or more than likely lie about what she knows, why would it matter if it’s in public or behind closed doors?

Because politicians generally don't like being forced to do anything (i.e. subpoenas,e tc.), and generally don't like appearing publically in that kind of environment (commission hearing) because it makes them LOOK guilty--as if they are on trial--regardless of whether or not they are guilty of anything.

quote:
Do you think her conscience might bother her more if she lied publicly KNOWING that everyone will see it over and over on CNN? Sounds like a conscience issue to me.

Sounds like a POLITICAL issue to me, as described above.

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Mech
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posted 12-23-2003 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing smellier than an APOLOGIST for deciet.

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posted 12-23-2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letxa2000   Visit letxa2000's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mech:
Nothing smellier than an APOLOGIST for deciet.

Thanks, but I prefer being labeled "The voice of logic."

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Mech
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posted 03-23-2004 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We'll see Letxa won't we?

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swamp gas
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posted 03-23-2004 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe Condi and Dumbya are having an affair!

Lexie,

THEY LIED! LIED ! LIED ! LIED!

That logical enough for ya?

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Mech
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posted 03-23-2004 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah...

More Like Condi and WILLIE BROWN.


You know...The dude who was WARNED not to fly on Sept. 11th.

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swamp gas
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posted 03-23-2004 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Mech
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posted 03-23-2004 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That isn't the actual tanker named after her...The one with her name on it is painted black.

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swamp gas
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posted 03-23-2004 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I know, but you can't find the original.

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http://www.herald.com

Panel calls for Rice to appear
By Associated Press
Tuesday, March 23, 2004

CAPITOL HILL - Members of the federal panel that's been looking into 9/11 say they're not hearing from everyone they want to hear from.

The panel has opened two days of hearings on the anti-terrorism efforts of the Bush and Clinton administrations before 9/11.

The ten-member panel had invited National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice to testify. She declined, with the White House citing concerns about separation of powers.

One panel member says that's not a good enough excuse.

Another mentioned the book written by former anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, who accuses the Bush administration of downplaying the al-Qaida threat before 9/11.

Former Democratic Congressman Timothy Roemer also noted that Rice has been featured in the media disputing Clarke's claims. He suggests the debate shouldn't be played out in the media, but before the panel.


( © Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. )

Why is she so commission shy? Everyone else of any import is testifying! She'll talk to newspapers about Clarke, but not testify on the 9/11 commission? What is she hiding? Afraid to go against her previous statement after 9/11 that no-one could have possibly conceived of terrorists using airliners to attack buildings? Please! We know that's a big lie! When liars get trapped, they don't feel comfortable, do they?

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posted 03-25-2004 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She refuses to go under oath because if it goes on the record...she'll go to federal prison for LYING.

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swamp gas
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posted 03-25-2004 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She is now threatening Jamaica.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/25/1537236


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Mech
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posted 03-25-2004 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It never ends.

These people need to stop being internationalists and wake up to whats going on right at home.

But thats not what the PNAC globalist document stipulates.

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JerseyBluEyz
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posted 03-26-2004 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerseyBluEyz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Considering Rice refuses to testify at the 9/11 commission hearings, she sure is giving an awful lot of interviews on morning news and other news shows. What is up with that? I guess the thought of putting a Bible in her hand and lying is giving her night sweats!

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Mech
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posted 03-28-2004 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rice Rejects Public Testimony to 9/11 Panel

Sun Mar 28, 6:49 PM ET


By Lori Santos

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks urged Condoleezza Rice on Sunday to testify before it in public but the White House national security adviser repeated her refusal to do so.


Rice has refused to appear before the independent panel in public and under oath to answer charges from former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke that the Bush administration neglected the threat from al Qaeda. The White House has asked for a second private session for Rice.

The commission's Republican chairman, former New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean, told "Fox News Sunday" his panel would continue to press for Rice to appear publicly but would not try to force her to do so under a court order.

"To get into a court battle over a subpoena we don't think is really appropriate right now, nor will it help us," Kean said.

"We are still going to press and still believe unanimously as a commission that we should hear from her in public."

But Rice, in an interview on the CBS program "60 Minutes," said there was "an important principle ... that sitting national security advisers do not testify before the Congress."

"Nothing would be better, from my point of view, than to be able to testify," she said, according to a transcript of the interview provided by the network ahead of broadcast.

"I would really like to do that. But ...This is a matter of policy."

Clarke, who served under Rice at the White House, has accused President Bush of being determined to go to war against Iraq and of undermining the war on terror by doing so.

Clarke said the invasion a year ago had fueled anger at the United States and helped the cause of al Qaeda, blamed for carrying out the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on America in which 3,000 people were killed.

The Bush administration has launched a fierce counter offensive against Clarke, whose comments are seen as damaging Bush's attempts to portray himself as a tough anti-terror leader going into presidential elections in November.

Rice told CBS it was "perfectly logical" for Bush to ask his aides on the day after Sept. 11, as Clarke said he did, if Iraq could have been responsible.

But she added: "The president focused our energies and our attention on winning in Afghanistan, and expelling the Taliban and thereby, expelling al Qaeda."

Rice rejected the suggestion that before Sept. 11 the administration failed to regard terrorism as an urgent problem.

"I would like very much to know what more could have been done ... We were looking for a more comprehensive plan to eliminate al Qaeda. But we weren't sitting still while that plan was developing," she said.

Asked about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- Saddam's alleged possession of which Bush gave as his main justification for the invasion -- Rice said the war on terrorism was "well served by the victory in Iraq."

"Iraq ... I think the most dangerous regime in the world's most dangerous region, in the Middle East ... was under Saddam Hussein a big reason for instability in the region, for threats to the United States."

(WHAT THREAT?)

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has challenged Rice to appear publicly, accusing the White House of stonewalling the commission and of attempting "character assassination" against Clarke, who has served four U.S. presidents.

Kean, referring to the White House's arguments against Rice testifying, said: "We think in a tragedy of this magnitude that those kind of legal arguments are probably overridden."

On CBS' "Face the Nation," Secretary of State Colin Powell said he believed Rice had been being unfairly criticized by Clarke.

"I think Dr. Rice is getting a bit of a bum rap. It's being set up as 'Condi, I told you everything that you needed to do,' and she ignored it all. That's not accurate," he said.

Both Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said none of Clarke's recommendations for combating al Qaeda in Afghanistan could have prevented the domestic attacks.

"The terrorists were in the United States. They used a U.S. airplane, and they attacked a U.S. target," Rumsfeld told "Fox News Sunday."

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posted 03-28-2004 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerseyBluEyz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone please explain these statements to me:

Rice quote: “Nothing would be better, from my point of view, than to be able to testify," Rice told CBS's "60 Minutes.""I would really like to do that. But there is an important principle involved here: It is a long-standing principle that sitting national security advisers do not testify before the Congress."

Rumsfeld quote: “Condi Rice would be a superb witness. She is anxious to testify. The president would dearly love to have her testify," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told reporters. "But the lawyers have concluded that to do so would alter the balance if we got into the practice of doing that.”

Rice testifying must not be AGAINST THE LAW if many folks in Washington AND the 9/11 Commission thinks she should. So, what kind of excuse is that? What does it mean? Does this excuse have any history behind it?

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Mech
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posted 03-28-2004 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" Does this excuse have any history behind it?"

Not that i'm aware of.

To me it's STONEWALLING.

What does she have to hide?

Never mind...SOME OF US already know.

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Here is one of the many things" Condi the Criminal" is hiding. http://www.rense.com/general50/condi.htm

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Condi needs to get over her squeamishness about testilying, and get with the program.

A stellar performance could get her the Vice President's spot on the 2004 Republican ticket.

There is nothing more uniquely American than "testilying".
--com'on Condi, be American!
Serve the party!--

>The Word Spy - testilying

"Search Word Spy: A Web site by Paul McFedries. testilying (test.tuh.LY.ing) pp. Lying under oath, especially by a police officer, to help get a conviction. ... " www.wordspy.com/words/testilying.asp<

>" ... Testilying" to Get the Job Done. ... They saw such "testilying" as a "legitimate" law enforcement tool for putting persons they believed guilty behind bars. ... " www.nacdl.org/PUBLIC/ABUSE/CR000007.htm

"Testilying in New York. "Most of the officers at the 30th Precinct during that time were lying about arrests they were making. That's ... "
www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~pshell/gammage/testimonies/testilying-in-ny.html

"Testilying in LA. From: mnovick@laedu.lalc.k12.ca.us (michael novick) Subject: LA Times on police "testilyin'" Charges of Police ... "
www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~pshell/gammage/testimonies/testilying-la.html

HoustonChronicle.com - A choice word for crime lab mess
"April 25, 2003, 10:32PM A choice word for crime lab mess. By THOM MARSHALL Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle Vocabulary word of the day -- "testilying.". ... " www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/marshall/1884688

The media will let her get away with it.
And (IMHO) and attack anyone who proves she has lied...
like the Bush Administration's ongoing attack on Clark:
("...Clark lied about the 9/12/01 Bush/Clark
meeting:
'...because there was no meeting...'
-----Condi et-al three days ago------
'...because Bush was not in the Situation room on 9/12/01...'
-----Condi et al two days ago----------
'...because during the meeting Bush did not pressure Clark...'
-----Condi et-al yesterday-----
et-al includes f the dittoheads' Limbaugh

and others who believe today's lie cancels out yesterday's lies...

Texas saying: "First liar never stands a chance."

Condi needs to get over her squeamishness about testilying, and get with the program.

Com'on Condi..show those Texans you can lie with the best of 'em!

(the worst possible result,
if convicted of perjury,
is you'll become a nationally syndicated 'conservative' talk-show host)


PS:
All Condi has to do is hold fast to the core belief of the party:
"read the manual Condi!
>To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself.< chapter 3 http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984
it tells you how to best serve the party!"

>And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'.
< Chapter 3
>nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place.


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Analysis - Richard Clarke
On Meet the Press
By Joseph Ehrlich
SenderBerl.com
3-28-4


Richard Clarke's remarks and revelations on Meet the Press are so vital to the public interest that we decided on top of all else we have recently done to highlight and analyze what he said in the context of 9-11.

First, we want to say that it is shameful that it takes the courage of one man to represent the oversight that should have been the task and burden of government. If we had loyal government officials Clarke would not have to stand alone, as he does, in the attempt to tell the American public that something is seriously amiss with government. Jessica Lynch and Richard Clarke have done a great deal to serve and save our nation and the tragedy is that we can offer the accolades to two people, both of whom have been targeted in their own special ways to be forever forgotten. Thus, it is incumbent for us to keep bringing up their contribution and it is imperative that you don't let their sacrifices to the nation expire. What about Richard Clarke making money on his book. As he alluded to today, he will be an outcast instead of a hero until and unless Kerry comes into power. If Bush wins a second term, heaven forbid, he will not get the time of day because that's the way Washington plays the game, it feels it has no choice but to bow to the powers seated in the Oval office. However, if the treachery of the Bush administration unravels, Washington and the rest of the country will -- and it better -- hang Bush, the oil cabal, and all those complicit in 9-11.

Now, what is important is that Richard Clarke filled in some vital missing links of information that compels us to now conclude that Condy Rice was a knowing member of the NWO agenda regarding 9-11. While we knew she did carry board memberships with ExxonMobil and TexacoChevron, we didn't think she would sink that low to be complicit in the deaths of 3000 souls on 9-11. However, it appears that we were mistaken.

Now, to the analysis (based on excerpts in sequential order)

MR. RUSSERT: But to be clear, Mr. Clarke, you would urge Congress, the intelligence committees, to declassify your sworn testimony before the congressional inquiry two years ago as well as your testimony before the September 11th Commission?

MR. CLARKE: Yes, and those documents I just referred to and Dr. Rice's testimony before the 9-11 Commission because the victims' families have no idea what Dr. Rice has said

*** SenderBerl: One of the reasons for Rice foregoing public testimony is the hope that it keeps her remarks (not under oath) away from those, like ourselves, who wish to scrutinize it. Quite frankly, what Richard Clarke said today on Meet the Press says it all because we doubt Condy Rice is going to reveal anything further unless under oath and questioned by Richard Ben-Veniste.

***{One year post 911, Time Magazine}

Time magazine had come out with a cover story, after extensive research, and the cover story was devastating. The cover story of Time magazine was that the White House had been given a plan by me on January 25 and had taken the entire nine months to get around to looking at it, at the principals level, that there had been over 100 meetings of Dr. Rice's committee on subjects involving Iraq, Star Wars, China, but only one on terrorism and that one was on September 4.

*** SenderBerl: It is obvious that someone, and they probably thought it was Clarke, leaked that terrorism was a subject persona non grata at the Bush White House (until of course 9-11, which fact would be consistent with the element of complicity).

MR. CLARKE: Because I have no obligation anymore to spin. When you're in the White House, you spin. And people have been doing a lot of that against me this week. You know, they're engaged in a campaign. People on the taxpayers' rolls, dozens of people, are engaged in the campaign to destroy me, personally and professionally, because I had the temerity to suggest that the American people should consider whether or not the president had done a good job on the war on terrorism. The issue is not me. The issue is the president's job on the role on terrorism.

*** SenderBerl: This is where Clarke has the resolve and courage to pursue his course to let the American people know that something is wrong. In the upside down world where evil controls over good, people tend to shun the very person who offers them truth. Thus, it is fitting that the Mel Gibson movie speaks on this issue. It would be a stain on this country if the American people don't speak up to criticize the Administration about moving out on all fronts to attack Clarke. He didn't violate any secrets but like all those intent on serving the greater good he wanted to bring truth to the American people, made especially important when government controlled and influenced media fail miserably in that very regard.

After 9/11--I say by going into Iraq, he has really hurt the war on terrorism. Now, because I say that, the administration doesn't want to talk on the merits of that. They don't want to talk about the effect on the war on terrorism of our invasion of Iraq. And so, instead, A, they try to do character assassination of me; but, B, they try to punish me for having said it by going after my professional life, by going after me, besmirching me. This is just not appropriate.

***

Every day George Tenet was going in to see the president in the Oval Office. Because George Tenet, the director of Central Intelligence, now gives the president his daily briefing. And almost every day the president was hearing from George Tenet that there's an impending al-Qaeda attack. As far back as February, George Tenet testified before the Congress that al-Qaeda was the major national security threat. And yet, they have 100 meetings before they get around to dealing with it. KEY QUOTE

MR. RUSSERT: On a scale of one to 10, how would you rate President Bush's performance on the war on terror prior to September 11?

MR. CLARKE: Well, there wasn't any personal performance by the president prior to September 11. Now, the only thing that I was ever able to detect that he did on the war on terrorism was after Tenet had been briefing him day after day after day after day about an al-Qaeda threat, the president said, in May, "Well, let's, you know, get a strategy." That's the only thing I ever heard that he got involved in personally. And when he said that, Dr. Rice called me and said, "The president wants a strategy." And I said, "Well, you know the strategy was what I sent you on January 25, and it's been stuck in these low-level committees." And she said, "Fine. I'll deal with that." Well, she didn't deal with it until September.

And, interestingly enough, the president never said after that May conversation, "Where's the strategy?" And, again, if you go back to what the president himself says to Bob Woodward, he said, "I knew there was a strategy in the works. But I didn't know how mature the plan was." He's saying this on September 11. He didn't know where the strategy was. The strategy that he had asked for in May? He'd never come back and asked where it was. You know, basically, it wasn't an urgent issue for them before September 11.

MR. RUSSERT: It sounds like a failing grade.

MR. CLARKE: Well, I think they deserve a failing grade for what they did before because, frankly, they didn't do--they never got around to doing anything. They held interim meetings, but they never actually decided anything before September 11.



***SenderBerl: This is critical and direct support for anyone who wishes to connect the dots, as we have to date to attest to government complicity allowing 9-11 to occur. As you know, we considered the evidence to date a given as to complicity. Now, what Clarke does is give DIRECT factual support therefor. When you tie these facts into what we have highlighted is Bush administration complicity, you have more than probable cause, you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt of it. Thus, as we said from day one, this country should not have allowed Bush to invade Iraq because it would prove to be a fruit of a poisonous tree. How right we were. KEY

You know, they're saying now that when I was afforded the opportunity to talk to him about cybersecurity, it was my choice. I could have talked about terrorism or cybersecurity. That's not true. I asked in January to brief him, the president, on terrorism, to give him the same briefing I had given Vice President Cheney, Colin Powell and Condi Rice. And I was told, "You can't do that briefing, Dick, until after the policy development process."

MR. RUSSERT: Who told you that?

MR. CLARKE: Condi Rice. And I said, "Well, can I brief him on cybersecurity?" "Oh, yes, you can brief him on that."


***SenderBerl: This is de facto conclusive that Condy Rice was directly complicit. It was malfeasance of office for her to preclude Clarke from speaking to Bush regarding terrorism based on the fact that there was a known serious threat that ultimately unraveled as 9-11.

MR. RUSSERT: We'll get to that particular debate, but let me go back to September 11 and what led up to it. The Washington Post captured this way: "On July 5 of 2001, the White House summoned officials of a dozen federal agencies to the Situation Room. `Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon,' the government's top counterterrorism official, Richard Clarke, told the assembled group, including the Federal Aviation Administration, Coast Guard, FBI, Secret Service, Immigration and Naturalization Service. Clarke directed every counterterrorist office to cancel vacations, defer non-vital travel, put off scheduled exercises, place domestic rapid-response teams on much shorter alert. For six weeks in the summer of 2001, at home and overseas, the U.S. government was at its highest possible state of readiness--and anxiety--against imminent terrorist attack."

Did Dr. Rice instruct you to organize that meeting?

MR. CLARKE: No. I told her I was going to do it. And I had already been doing it two weeks before, because on June 21, I believe it was, George Tenet called me and said, "I don't think we're getting the message through. These people aren't acting the way the Clinton people did under similar circumstances." And I suggested to Tenet that he come down and personally brief Condi Rice, that he bring his terrorism team with him. And we sat in the national security adviser's office. And I've used the phrase in the book to describe George Tenet's warnings as "He had his hair on fire." He was about as excited as I'd ever seen him. And he said, "Something is going to happen."

***SenderBerl: Evidence that Condy Rice was affirmatively complicit. Her only out is that she is not the National Security Advisor and that she relied on Dick Cheney for her position regarding Clarke's posturing for action on terrorism.

MR. RUSSERT: But you kept your guard up for six weeks, through the end of August. Why didn't you stay on high alert through September 11th? And you regret this day that you didn't because you may have stopped that attack. KEY

***SenderBerl: It is so difficult for people even professionals to comprehend the truth in front of their faces. Here on top of everything else just evidenced, it was no coincidence that the implementation of the terrorism of 9-11 took place after Clarke (and we now assume Tenet) could no longer maintain the status of high alert. Of further interest, it went from a status of high alert to complete abdication of protection of the air and shorelines. The enemies within struck as soon as those standing guard had no choice but to lapse in their vigilance seeing that they only received cold shoulders from others in their efforts to protect the country. What is so shameful is that it seems at best there were only two people within the entire government fighting to do the job! No one had the courage to stand with them because Bush, Cheney and Rice displayed displeasure at those who stood with Clarke and now the man whose hair was on fire.

MR. CLARKE: I had spoken out again the notion of bombing Iraq immediately after September 11. And the Defense Department, deputy secretary, the secretary, talked to my bosses in the White House and indicated how unhappy they were with my attitude on Iraq. And as I say, I had asked to go and become cyberspace security adviser, so I did and I wasn't asked about foreign policy in that role. But when I had spoken out, when I said, "Invading Iraq after 9/11 is like invading Mexico after Pearl Harbor," that didn't go over well and I was very quickly sidelined as someone whose opinions were going to be taken into account.

MR. RUSSERT: Why do you think the Iraq war has undermined the war on terrorism?

MR. CLARKE: Well, I think it's obvious, but there are three major reasons. Who are we fighting in the war on terrorism? We're fighting Islamic radicals and they are drawing people from the youth of the Islamic world into hating us. Now, after September 11, people in the Islamic world said, "Wait a minute. Maybe we've gone too far here. Maybe this Islamic movement, this radical movement, has to be suppressed," and we had a moment, we had a window of opportunity, where we could change the ideology in the Islamic world. Instead, we've inflamed the ideology. We've played right into the hands of al-Qaeda and others. We've done what Osama bin Laden said we would do.

Ninety percent of the Islamic people in Morocco, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, allied countries to the United States--90 percent in polls taken last month hate the United States. It's very hard when that's the game where 90 percent of the Arab people hate us. It's very hard for us to win the battle of ideas. We can arrest them. We can kill them. But as Don Rumsfeld said in the memo that leaked from the Pentagon, I'm afraid that they're generating more ideological radicals against us than we are arresting them and killing them. They're producing more faster than we are.

The president of Egypt said, "If you invade Iraq, you will create a hundred bin Ladens." He lives in the Arab world. He knows. It's turned out to be true. It is now much more difficult for us to win the battle of ideas as well as arresting and killing them, and we're going to face a second generation of al-Qaeda. We're going to catch bin Laden. I have no doubt about that. In the next few months, he'll be found dead or alive. But it's two years too late because during those two years, al-Qaeda has morphed into a hydra-headed organization, independent cells like the organization that did the attack in Madrid.

And that's the second reason. The attack in Madrid showed the vulnerabilities of the rails in Spain. We have all sorts of vulnerabilities in our country, chemical plants, railroads. We've done a very good job on passenger aircraft now, but there are all these other vulnerabilities that require enormous amount of money to reduce those vulnerabilities, and we're not doing that.

MR. RUSSERT: And three?

MR. CLARKE: And three is that we actually diverted military resources and intelligence resources from Afghanistan and from the hunt for bin Laden to the war in Iraq.

CONCLUSION: WE BELIEVE IF THE TREACHERY IN PLAY NOW UNRAVELS THAT ALL OF THOSE COMPLICIT INCLUDING MAJOR OIL COMPANIES, IF THEY ARE SHOWN TO BE COMPLICIT, WHICH WE NOW BELIEVE THEY SURELY ARE, WILL ALL HANG. NO ONE IS GOING TO SELL US THAT TAKING 3000 LIVES IS THE PRICE FOR STEALING THE OIL AS THOUGH THAT WOULD EVER PROVE TO BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE SHOWN PUBLICLY SINCE 1997 THAT THE ULTIMATE AGENDA IS TO MAIM AND WEAKEN THIS GREAT COUNTRY - WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE AND THEY'RE FAR FROM FINISHED.

THIS IS AN ADJUNCT ANALYSIS TO "CONDY RICE IS NOT THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR"

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Because this whole 9/11 thing is such a farce and it aggravates me, I figured I’d post these hysterical video clips here. We HAVE to laugh sometimes folks - either that or cry (but that’s more a female thing huh?). Anyway, here are two recent video clips from Comedy Central that revolve around the 9/11 Commission hearings this past week! WAY funny!!!! Take a break and laugh. I sure did!


Belittle Richard: http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/8117.html

Look Who’s Blaming Who: http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/8119.html

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