posted 12-28-2003 06:25 AM            

Since posts no longer show up in the origional thread...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001445.html

about "conspiracy theories"

... occasionally i hear someone say this page contains "conspiracy theories" ... that term was created by a government think tank back in the 60's to de-rate and ridicule anything not broadcast by the official news media on the evening news ... there was a famous man that once said ... "never attribute to conspiracy that which can amply be attributed to the actions of a bunch of greedy stupid self serving men in power" ... i would add to this ... " and the majority of people who are fooled into believing these men are honest and have the interests of the populous at heart" ... jim mccanney

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posted 12-28-2003 11:52 AM            

What really happened on Sept. 11th? And WHO stands to gain?

To answer these vital questions and more..(If you don't believe what mainstream media and what the government is telling you)...watch this free movie.

http://www.c0balt.com/resources/911/download.shtml

Or simply view all the EVIDENCE...that the US government had prior knowlage...and was in fact responsible for Sept. 11th.

http://www.infowars.com/sept11_archive.htm

More resources.......

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=19

http://www.prisonplanet.com/121203painfuldeceptions.html

http://11september.2itb.com/

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm

http://www.madcowprod.com/archive.html

DARE to think for yourself.

The government is LYING to you. Just like they LIED about "Weapons of Mass Destruction".

Wake up America.

posted 12-28-2003 07:31 PM            

bc

Published on Tuesday, February 4, 2003 by the Prince George's Journal (Maryland)
Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
by Margie Burns

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."

It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before his arriving on the board in 1998.

McDaniel confirmed that the company has security contracts with the Department of Defense, including the U.S. Army, but did not detail the nature of the work, citing security concerns. It has an ongoing line with the General Services Administration - meaning that its bids for contracts are noncompetitive - and also did security work for the Los Alamos laboratory before 1998.

Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000. But the White House has not publicly disclosed Bush connections in any of its responses to 9/11, nor has it mentioned that another Bush-linked business had done security work for the facilities attacked.

Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment.

KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period.

Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.

But none of these connections has been looked at during the extensive investigations since 9/11. McDaniel says principals and other personnel at Stratesec have not been questioned or debriefed by the FBI or other investigators. Walker declined to answer the same question regarding KuwAm, referring to the public record.

Walker is also chairman and CEO of Aviation General, a Tulsa, Okla.-based aviation company with two subsidiaries. SEC filings also show al Sabah as a principal and shareholder in Aviation General, which was recently delisted by the Nasdaq. Stratesec was delisted by the American Stock Exchange in October 2002.

The suite in which Marvin Bush was annually re-elected, according to public records, is located in the Watergate in space leased to the Saudi government. The company now holds shareholder meetings in space leased by the Kuwaiti government there. The White House has not responded to various requests for comment.

Speaking of the Watergate, Riggs National Bank, where Saudi Princess Al-Faisal had her ``Saudi money trail" bank account, has as one of its executives Jonathan Bush, an uncle of the president. The public has not learned whether Riggs - which services 95 percent of Washington's foreign embassies - will be turning over records relating to Saudi finance.

Meanwhile, Bush has nominated William H. Donaldson to head the Securities and Exchange Commission. Donaldson, a longtime Bush family friend, was a Yale classmate of Jonathan Bush.

On the very day of the tragic space shuttle crash, the government appointed an independent investigative panel, and rightly so. Why didn't it do the same on Sept. 12, 2001?

Margie Burns, a teacher and writer, lives in Cheverly, Maryland.

posted 12-29-2003 02:04 PM            

disclaimer: this post assumes our dear W was an ignorant dupe/ no kneejerk defence is necessary therefore.

"Follow the money"

How many NY landlords have torched their own buildings to collect insurance omiey?

So many it has become a cliche in law enforcement circles.

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"Follow the Money." - 'DeepThroat'

From: "The Chief Engineer" magazine. http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029
>A Day of Terror
September 11th, 2001<
>High above in the management office, on the 88th floor of the tower, John Griffin, Jr., the father of two and the new Director of Operations at the World Trade Center, was also beginning his day. John had been hired by the buildings’ owners, Silverstein Company, just two months earlier.< http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34380,00.html
>In July, Silverstein closed on the $3.2 billion deal to lease the towering complex, which dominated New York City's skyline and was known around the world from the many movies and television shows that have included footage of the building.
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey owns the complex. Silverstein's partner in the deal is Westfield America Inc.
On Thursday, the Port Authority said insurance would substantially cover its economic loss from the destruction of the World Trade Center, which included a total of seven buildings.
<
>An Israeli businessman from Australia, Frank Lowy, had recently acquired the 99-year lease for the 425,000 square foot retail portion of World Trade Center before the WTC attacks of Sept. 11, reported The Jerusalem Post on Sept. 12.
Lowy is chairman and founder of Westfield Holdings, and the manager of Westfield America Trust, which has a 57 percent stake in Westfield America Inc. In April 2001, Westfield America agreed to pay $400 million for the lease on the complex though only $133 million was paid; the rest was to be made in ground lease payments.
Lowy is the second wealthiest man in Australia and was recently ranked as the 209th wealthiest man in the world by Forbes magazine. Westfield is the fourth-largest shopping mall owner, with operations in Australia, the United States, the United Kingdom and New Zealand.
Westfield was insured against terrorist attacks and its earnings will not be materially affected.
In a statement to the Australian Stock Exchange the retail chain said that "investment in the retail component of the World Trade Center is fully insured for both capital and loss of income," adding "the insurance coverage includes acts of terrorism.< http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/AmericanFreePress0902.html
>AFP has learned from a reliable source in the shipping industry that Zim American Israeli Shipping Co., Inc. broke the lease when it vacated the rented offices on the 16th and 17th floors of the north tower of the World Trade Center shortly before the Sept. 11 disaster.
According to the source, Zim's WTC office space had been leased until the end of the year and the company lost $50,000 when it suddenly pulled out in the beginning of September.
AFP repeatedly contacted Zim American Israeli Shipping Co., Inc. at its new American headquarters in Norfolk, Va., to inquire about the company's pulling out of its WTC lease early.
AFP was told that the only person who could discuss the matter was the company president, Shaul Cohen-Mintz, who was said to be unavailable until Dec. 4.
AFP also contacted the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the original owner of the World Trade Center, and was told to contact Silverstein Properties, owner of the World Trade Center since July 24.<
http://www.pressi.com/int/release/80765.html
>Westfield America, Inc. is the United States subsidiary of Westfield America Trust (ASX: WFA), the second-largest property trust listed on the Australian Stock Exchange. WFA owns a majority interest in the Westfield America portfolio of 66 centers, branded as Westfield Shoppingtowns. Westfield Shoppingtowns are home to over 8,900 specialty stores and encompass more than 68 million square feet in the states of California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio and Washington.
This material has been produced by Westfield America, Inc..< http://www.snl.com/real_estate/archive/20010220.asp
>This story reprinted from the February 20, 2001 edition of SNL Real Estate Securities Weekly.
Australians repatriate Westfield America Inc.
Westfield America Inc.’s (WEA) February 15 announcement that it will be bought out by its Australian parent Westfield America Trust for $720 million--$270 million in cash and $450 million in debt assumption-- helped confirm that there is a wave of privatizations and mergers occurring in the retail REIT sector. However, the transaction also raised some eyebrows about the price being paid.<
>In Westfield’s case, the net result of the transaction will be to return ownership of the property assets to Australian investors, effectively buying out the American shareholders.< http://www.crikey.com.au/business/2003/05/29-franklowy.html
>But given that the PM and four Premiers turned up to Westfield's 40th birthday celebration two years ago, don't expect any politicians to show some spine and take Lowy on. Afterall, he's pumped almost $10 million into the Australian political process over the past 20 years and it has been money well spent. < http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/11/1060588322537.html?from=storyrhs
>Greg Lindsay, from the leading right-wing Centre for Independent Studies, admits that financial backing comes from some large corporations, but he will not readily name them.
One CIS research report that criticises single-parent families, called Taking children seriously, does list some supporters, including McDonald's Australia, the Pratt Foundation, J.O. Fairfax, Dame Elisabeth Murdoch and Philip Morris. Asked why the CIS accepts money from Philip Morris, known foremost as a tobacco company, Lindsay says why not? It also owns Kraft Foods, maker of Vegemite.
When pressed, Lindsay is prepared to identify some donors - such as BHP Billiton, Shell, Western Mining Corporation, ICI, Neville Kennard and Robert Champion de Crespigny - because it is hardly a secret that all support the CIS. It would be unfair to name the rest unless they chose to reveal themselves, says Lindsay, and many donate on condition of anonymity. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/734855.stm
So through his daughter Elizabeth, Rupert Murdoch owned and controled BSkyB.
(the "BS" in the name shows they have a sense of humour.) http://www.newscorp.com/index2.html
>more than 175 different newspapers,< http://www.newscorp.com/operations/newspapers.html
Now that's a major propaganda machine!
FOX Broadcasting Company (the infamous FAUX which has not yet been caught telling the truth)

posted 12-29-2003 04:27 PM            

The "Bin Laden dunnit cus he hates our freedom" conspiracy theory is exactly that just another conspiracy theory, but it happens to be the one some members of this administration are feeding the masses. I have seen ZERO proof Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11 and/or for the reasons given for the attack that make any real sense.While he may or may not have, again where's the proof?

My memory of the situation only months before 9/11 in the summer of 01, is Bush was reportedly giving money to the Taliban. Millions, and that was during dicussions that looked favorable to the Caspian Sea oil pipeline(s) project. Then the deal fell through with from what I remember a Unocal? et.al. representative told the Taliban either you let us put the pipeline through ( a carpet of gold) or you get buried under a carpet of bombs. The deal fizzled as I remember due to the Taliban wanting a larger cut of the oil pie than the Oil Guys were willing to give. That seems to be about the time the Taliban made it into the news for going on a reported? rampage and taking out ancient local Buddhist statues.

Then a by sheer coincidence (as the coincidence theorists would say) came 9/11 right on time and lo and behold here came the military to the rescue in Afghanistan to clear the way for "democracy" (and again of course coincidentally for the pipelines to continue. Right on schedule.

posted 12-30-2003 12:11 AM            

SMT -- good right jab!

The money trail is where the truth lies! OH so obvious!

GREED! GREED! POWER and GREED!

Let's all dance now!