posted 12-31-2003 02:45 AM            

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Those who live life through their intuition always attract the attention of the Thought Police because the 'head' and the 'heart', the lower 'mind' and the higher consciousness, view reality from a completely different point of observation. I will get into this in detail later, but symbolically you could put it like this: if the 'five-sense' mind was sailing down a river it could only see as far as the next bend. But the higher consciousness communicating through the intuition would see the whole river from source to sea. It would know what was coming and the most effective course of action at any given point. It would know if there was bad weather ahead and if it was best to stop where you are until it passes. It would know if you were heading for a massive waterfall or if there were bandits lurking downstream and it could guide you to avoid them. None of this is available to the five-sense mind because it has such a limited vision and ability to see beyond its perceived 'norms'. "There is no evidence that there are waterfalls or rapids in this river", it might say, "and until I see the proof we are going ooooon...aaaaaaaahhhh." The five-sense mind disconnected from its higher consciousness is engaged in a constant and furious battle with the intuition because if it surrendered its reality to the higher one it would lose its perceived power over events and behaviour. If someone on the boat said their intuition told them there were bandits around the corner, the lower minds of the others would ask them for the 'proof'. They would be told not to be so stupid and to stop spoiling the trip. In the same way people have refused to get on aircraft that were to crash because they had a 'feeling'--intuition from their higher consciousness. Even if these people had told the other passengers what they felt most would have still got on the plane because their head would tell them the chances of crashing were miniscule and, anyway, they needed to get to their destination to attend a business meeting or make a dinner date. Also, the great breakthroughs in understanding, including those in science, are invariable the result of an intuition, a 'gut feeling', rather than the intellect working it all out. The intuitive is the inspiration and the intellect only confirms it.
Daring to be different

When we follow our intuition we often find ourselves behaving in ways that the conditioned, imprisoned, lower minds of people around us find impossible to understand. Because of this they have to rationalise your words and behavior to themselves with claims that you are 'mad' or 'dangerous'. In fact you are merely different, viewing reality from a different point of observation.

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As a result of staying with my intuition no matter what, my lower or five-sense mind has been able to observe 'logically' that while following your intuition can throw up enormous challenges, the experience always turns out to be what was necessary from the bigger perspective. It sees that what seemed to be self destruction actually leads to a positive outcome that happens, not despite the 'self-destructive' experience, but because of it. With this realisation the head/mind moves into harmony with the intuition and the war between what you think and feel comes to an end. The two become the same. You follow your intuitive 'knowing' without the head symbolically banging its fist on the table.

posted 12-31-2003 09:56 AM            

Icke sums it up well, and I enjoy reading his insights and experiences. Though I have not read any of his books completely, one can find and read many of his thoughts circling the web. The book you mentioned sounds interesting and worth pursueing.

As Icke seems to convey, 'the world' can be perceived on many levels. Those who add a 'religous' or perhaps 'spiritual' aspect to 'living by intuition' might call this being guided by The Spirit. I have mentioned it here often in many of my
posts. Though I believe The Spirit to be more than just intuition, by intuition we can more fully feel the Spirit.

I recognized myself when you mentioned posts concerning "proof". I didn't really expect any 'proof' replies in my bin Laden conspiracy post, it was more just to balance out those here that claim every conspiracy theory the government tosses out is "proof" simply because it's the Fed story, and every other theory has to be "proved" before it can even be 'considered'.

IMO, humans that continue always seeking the path of realization and those that can merge the conscience and unconscience minds with the force of Spirit, will continue to be the Salt of The Earth. This is not to say the "animal mind" is never present, or that it doesn't even rear it's ugly head from time to time. It appears we ALL fall short. However, those that have chosen to walk the path, will simply get back up, dust themselves off, and head on down the road, with their eyes refocused on the prize, rarely looking back.

SmT

posted 12-31-2003 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Show-Me Truth:
I recognized myself when you mentioned posts concerning "proof". I didn't really expect any 'proof' replies in my bin Laden conspiracy post, it was more just to balance out those here that claim every conspiracy theory the government tosses out is "proof" simply because it's the Fed story, and every other theory has to be "proved" before it can even be 'considered'.

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I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on an assessment you made of yourself - isn't that funny? I am SURE most of us here got your intended meaning from that thread. I know I did! That’s why I did not answer you - because there is NO PROOF for the coincidental media-based conspiracy. I should have responded to you with a sarcastic remark of my own – but there were other things going on somewhere else that distracted me from doing so. Funny how we are perceived as the conspiracists because we question what seems illogical huh?

posted 12-31-2003 12:37 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Show-Me Truth:
Those that have chosen to walk the path, will simply get back up, dust themselves off, and head on down the road, with their eyes refocused on the prize, rarely looking back.

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I love it! Symbolically, this is why we do not have eyes in the back of our heads. They are facing forward, looking ahead, for a reason. This is where our focus should be - on the path ahead.

posted 12-31-2003 12:59 PM            

I loved how SMT synergized the aspect of intuition with spirit. Lovely! David Icke expresses great insight, thanks Ellyn! Many have written about intuition, the other senses beyond the five, and the importance of opening to the intuitive, spiritual aspects of our reality.

Expanding upon this, I would add the term "psychic" as the more advanced form of intuition, in foreseeing events (clairavoyance)through visions or feelings, contacting entities, remote viewing, reading thoughts of others, channelling, communicating thoughts telepathically to others, and communicating feelings both in local presence and geographic distance. Intuition is just the beginning and surface layer of our beyond-the-five-senses abilities.

And our dreams, the connection to our subconscious minds, and such interesting reflections of the subconscious mind such as the I-Ching bring levels of knowing as well. Included in the dream life is the possiblity of both divine communication as well as after death human communication and other dimensional being communication offering another avenue of consciousness (psychic) experience. Our spirits may actually leave our bodies and visit other dimensional worlds as well.

We are multi-level vibrating energy beings able to communicate and interact with and within multi-dimensions and various levels of energy manifestation. We contain various levels of vibratory energy within us and are even surrounded by auras and energy fields and contain within our bodies surging energy pathways and chakras producing energy at various points. Within these various levels containing spirit and other vibratory manifestations we are able to communicate far more instantaneously and deeply than most of us realize. We probably, through our intuition, sense these, but just haven't developed them fully through our conscious awareness, but it's coming.

Even healing through energy manipulation is being practiced and found to be efficacious as an alternative to herbal and physical healing as the higher energies themselves dominate the lower vibratory energies of matter. "Energy Medicine" by Donna Eden is a great guide to learning this new beyond-the-five-sense healing art.

Those who demand proof from their five senses are only adhering to a kind of scientific method and a cultural training. Physicists are proving that the effect of consciousness itself works upon particle and wave behavior at the quantum level. Simultaneously, cutting edge scientists are trying to prove the existence of the soul after death and the veracity of various reputable psychics. Gary E. Schwartz, Ph.D. has completed his first experiment and study of several psychics in regard to communicating with the consciousnesses of those who have passed over at the Universty of Arizona, Tucson, in "The Afterlife Experiements." So the physicists and the five-sense scientists are merging in their discoveries of spirituality and consciousness itself. This is so fascinating and wonderful!

So, I wouldn't expect that those still entrenched in the 5-sense, scientific method mode would immediately accept the other modes of knowing when the basis of knowing itself is experiential for the most part. When it concerns the political and economic aspects of cultural behavior, the proofs on the 5-sense level are there, but the essence of motivating behaviors is always spiritual. And in that realization relating to ethics, motivation, and end-game intention are the seeds for peace or war. The problems and solutions are spiritual. The proofs are grounded in both matrixes.

bc

posted 12-31-2003 08:53 PM            

the Thought Police have been contacted, and your pro-freedom comments will be scrutinized and catalogued.(be prepared to step into 'this other line' at airports)

posted 12-31-2003 10:11 PM            

was a book by a fellow named Carlos Castaneda entitled "A Seperate Reality:Further Conversations with Don Juan." I found the insight of "Don Juan" quite familiar, and at times nothing less than profound. Although some may regard Castaneda's works as fiction or perhaps at least creatively embellished, there is a thread and substance running through the stories that comes across as "timeless".

For Carlos to become a "man of knowledge" he had to give up virtually everything. The ego, the false sense of 'self' the past, the false expectations, the clinging, all were to be discarded in the art of "seeing", as Don Juan called it. Though the book deals with references to Native American phsychoactive agents (such as jimpson weed) to be used by Carlos to break free of his entrenched behavior,(because he was so stubborn). If one can get past that,Castenada does seem to become a 'man of knowledge' by the end of the book at least as I was concerned.Reading Icke's comments reminded me of Carlos. Especially the part about "seeing".

Almost,(9:15CT) Happy New year!!

SmT

posted 01-01-2004 01:39 AM            

"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so.... Indeed we are held prisoner!

"This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico... They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

".... I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

"'But how can they do this don Juan?'[Carlos] asked, somehow angered further by what [don Juan] was saying. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?"

"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre--stupenous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous manoeuvre from the point of view or those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contraditory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its manoeuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the predator] made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man. What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat."

"There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is beng raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

Castaneda, 1998
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These predators that don Juan speaks of feed off our fears. This is why there is such a hugh degree of fear mongering taking place in our world (especially now, as many are beginning to wake up)--as some may of noticed when they listen to or read the news, whose major purpose is to tell us how to think, rather than informing--as we have been led to believe.

posted 01-01-2004 01:11 PM            

Perhaps, I'll have to add still another book to my list of must reads,"Children of The Matrix."

In Castaneda's writings it is sometimes hard to know where he is using metaphor or symbolism to get a point across, and where he isn't. Many times the two become intertwined and one can see "double vision" or perhaps multiple layers of meaning. Early Jewish/Christian writings were said to have been written this way, with levels of knowledge being able to be determined differently by the level of "initiation".

I find alot of very truly "Christian" and "Buddhist" type ideas intertwined in Carlos accounts of time spent with "don Jaun". But there are also clearly areas that while "mainstream" Christianity
may have once touched on these highly 'spiritual' realms, they no longer seem relevant for todays Churchianity crowd.

SmT

posted 01-01-2004 03:03 PM            

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Ickes website
http://www.davidicke.com/

posted 01-01-2004 04:02 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Show-Me Truth:
you all do realize, of course,

the Thought Police have been contacted, and your pro-freedom comments will be scrutinized and catalogued.(be prepared to step into 'this other line' at airports)

SmT

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ROFLMBO! Hey, the local police already photographed my license plate at a local peace rally this last march, so I'm sure I'm in the peace-activist=terrorist files and standing in the other line at the airports already! A given!

Although I haven't read Icke's books, I've read extensively on his sight and listened to him carefully on his Am radio interviews. According to him, only those who have merged genetically with reptilians are able to be controlled by the reptilian minds. Castaneda seems to portray a consciousness scenario of TOTAL mind control, which Icke has never relayed, as far as my readings go. Through Biblical readings, the Urantia Book readings, and some readings from professed alien contactees, I gleen that we still (most of us) have free wills in the sense of the ability to create and orchestrate our lives, make choices in our personal lives, and deal with the consequences of our free will choices upon the universal laws which all ascendant masters and the visiting Son of God, have tried to communicate, and beyond that we are far more powerful in all the other psychic/spiritual realms I referred to than the reptilians or their symbolic representations in the various religions. We just haven't realized them fully, yet. So I do disagree with Casteneda's allusion that all is out of our control and being manipulated by an external evil force. Nope!

The Holy Spirit, as JBE mentioned, and the Spirit of Truth both mentioned in the Bible (and other religious texts using various metaphors and symbols), are both real and divine energy forces that we, as humans worldwide, can access and channel among many. There is no prevention occurring on this level. Vibrational frequencies manufactured by man's or reptilian's machines might try to jam this communication, but it can't reach the divine frequencies, so we're safe in that respect. I think Icke uses Castaneda's writings in his preface as a kind of metaphorical, symbolic general mind-opening kind of introduction to his own mind-challenging revelations. But Icke's revelations contain more specifics and give more hope and due power to humankind than Castaneda's "Children of the Matrix" does. Powerlessness is not the nature of our total energy being. We are beginning to realize our multi-dimensional powers and as we do, those beings and entities who might try to control us will loose their control and power over the few and simply be forced to leave. It will come.

Kryon reminds us of our abilities to connect to the universal God-energy grid as well as our abilities to utilize our planetary energy grid as well. Many of us tap into these grids already, but not at a conscious level and the grids and energies may all be related and renamed as we go on. We tap into the grid (divine energies) when we pray, when we ask for angelic guidance, when we simply call out to God, whatever our concept of he/she/it may be. We are indeed powerful and more powerful than the Reptilians and their designs as outlined in Icke's reporting. We are in a race for spiritual enlightenment on this planet. The faster we raise our planetary quotient of spiritually aware individuals, the sooner we awaken to the designs of less evolved creatures who wish to control us and the sooner we monopolize the positives which will negate the negatives to a greater degree --- the truth with set us free. Icke even uses this quote on his site!

Why are they hidden? Because they know of our powers and once we realize them en masse (and that doesn't mean totally -- just a certain number) they no longer have power. I might add that we have helpers in all of this as well. Call them angels,call them extraterrestrail good guys, call them what you will, but the spiritual battle is waging.

And paralleling Castaneda, Icke notes they (the reptilians) feed on fear. This may indeed be true, but we still have control over whether we choose fear or not. They may be trying to influence the fear factor and the war factor, but yet we, who are not implanted, who were not genetically influenced, still have free will.

Why do you think the metaphorical messages in all religious texts is: love, have no fear, think positive, love God with all your heart, love they neighbor as thyself, forgive, be wise as serpents and gentle as lambs, etc, etc, ? ----- because it works and it multiplies and it shuns the more negative emotions on which the "demonic" forces rely. The "devil" is the metaphor and indeed there are lower vibrational entities and for me, the Reptilians belong in this catagory. The positive messages of love from all quarters are encouraging us to find our true essences and realize them as spiritual beings. We are behind the veil here. And let me be clear, that any extraterrestrial race who claims to have created our religions will be known by their ability to transmit peace and love in their very presences. When the angels of the Lord appeared and still appear to many humans, they always say "fear not" and one's very cells, very spirit rejoices in peace and love in their presence. This is important as lower beings are capable of appearing to humans as being of beings of light and even in the image of Jesus, but they are not, for they engender fear. Although earlier man was more prone to awed fear in their site, the end result of the visit was always a healing or revelatory message that furthured the cause of peace and love in the person's life or for the spreading of the message of peace and love in the world.

In contrast, those beings who abduct, who experiment on humans, who take them from their beds, invade their consciousness and control their bodily functions, are no more spiritual than we are. Their intent is not to further peace, but to further their own survival and in the process they traumatize and disturb lives, and have even killed and mutilated humans. This is not love, this is not peace. And if these same entities claim that they created our Virgin Marys, our Jesus visitations and Mohammed etc., you have to know it's not true. On the other hand, some other more advanced entities may claim the same thing. They may be Nordics, they may be spiritual light beings, and again, the test would be the same. And I for one, would be willing to accept that their participation in life implantation, in genetic intervention, and even in our messengers who gave us varing evolving concepts of "God" and spirituality truths, according to our conscious ability and intelligence levels, would be valid. The only way to gain true discernment in all of this, is to continue to develop your own spiritual relationship to God as you conceive him/her/it. This is the message that rings out loud and clear over all others from Mother Mary's Messages to Ruth Montgomery, to David Icke, to accounts of alien contactees, psychics, mediums, Native American prophecy, and others! The more we each as individuals tap into and access our spiritual selves which directly connect to the divine, or God energies (grids, etc.), the more we'll be able to ascend to spiritual levels necessary to deal with all universe forces. And individually we are accountable for our lives in terms of spiritual development.

This is why war at this time, is so damaging to the world. It creates hate and fear. It feeds the lower forces, damages spirits.

Spiritual seers claim at this time that light energies are entering our planet and vibratory levels are being upstepped in order to facilitate and help our species ascend into higher spiritual awareness levels. Some claim our very DNA is changing. If it's happening, I'm thankful, because we need it. I also believe that we are spiritual evolutionary free-will creatures under the main dominion, of the God of Love (however you conceive it) and that no matter what swirls around us in this matrix of illusion, called life (our school), we still have personal choices that grow our spirits or stunt them. We are still born, we still die, and our souls and spirits are immortal and do go on to levels corresponding to our spirit's growth level upon leaving. I have trouble, however, with the notion and sometimes discussed possibility that some of these less spiritual aliens do and could capture our very souls. I will never accept this notion! I think the spreading of this particular message itself, only engenders fear, so on that level of discernment alone, I say --- IT IS FALSE. The Bible mentions it, but I don't take much of the Bible literally, anyway. The lessons are enough to instruct us on how to live (although many of those are archaic and culturally based in the past) and how to access the divine, but as JBE says, we should look to the future, rely on our own spiritual connections and experiences, and use our own powers of discernment through the intuition and other reliable energy modes while exploring various realms.

It's an exciting time and a time of great portent and transition. We are great spiritual energy beings!

Dang! Where did this come from? Sorry about blogging so long, but I get overcome sometimes!

Love all your (Ellyn, SMT, JBE) entries! Ya Ho and power to the love people!

bc

posted 01-01-2004 06:49 PM            

I listened to the Rense interview re: Icke’s latest book Tales from the Time Loop. Excellent interview! Full of good information. I have not listened to or read as much of Icke as I probably should, but I must say everything I’ve been exposed to so far coincides with what I’ve learned over the years from a VERY trusted family friend that worked in government mind control experiments. He originally told me of the reptilian agenda and it was originally tough to swallow. Stewart has shown me, and still teaches at his website and during his seminars, how to deprogram from mind control using meditation visualization techniques, utilizing colors, herbs, and other natural means – all spiritually based. I wonder if Icke knows some of these techniques – he mentioned he’s been bombarded lately with mind control attacks.

Anyway, all in this world is not totally hopeless - awareness of our true reality is surely the first step in healing. As Ellyn pointed out – “the material will join up with the interested party”. That’s another way of saying the infamous phrase - when the student is ready the teacher appears. A teacher comes in MANY forms no?

One thing I got a kick out of during the interview was when Icke mentioned one of my all time favorite books - Michael Talbot’s, Holographic Universe. If you’ve missed this one, it’s a must read! Add that one to YOUR list – ha, ha.

Here is one reader’s review of Icke’s Tales from the Time Loop. Sounds like my kind of reading!

posted 01-01-2004 07:06 PM            

That's where I was getting at.

I just don't believe that there are "Reptillian Controllers". Sorry...even though Bush SR's smile look almost exactly like a reptiles.

posted 01-01-2004 08:38 PM            

Crazy or not, Icke is not alone in his views.

The ancient Sumerians claimed that the human race was created to be a slave race, a food source, and a genetic pool for "higher beings," the Annunaki. The Cassiopaeans confirm that we were "altered" for this purpose, having been "created" or embodied for altogether different reasons that did not include being "food."
Q: (L) The Sumerian story of the creation of human beings involves a story where they say they killed a god and mixed his blood and parts to mix with mud and then planted it in these female "gestation" goddesses and that this is where the human race came from. Now, this sounds an awful lot like what the "Grays" are doing at the present time. Did someone actually kill a "god", break his soul in pieces, and thereby make the human race?
A: Symbolism and not correct event sequence. Lizard beings genetically altering the human race after battle for their own feeding purposes.
Q: (L) When did these events that these Sumerian stories are talking about take place?
A: 309000 years ago, approx.
Q: (L) So, it happened so long ago that these stories have lost the truth?
A: Reflection passed down through psychic memory channel.
However, the Cassiopaeans have made it clear that this is NOT total control:
Q: (L) At one point in a previous transmission it was stated that the Lizard beings altered the human race after a battle for their own "feeding" purposes. Could you clarify this?
A: It would not be possible for these beings to completely control your existence. If it were you would not be able to do the things your race has done. There has been interference by the Lizard beings in the physical structure of the human beings for their own benefit. Remember what we told you before. They have been interfering with the time cycle experienced on this plane, for quite some time as you measure it. For 74 thousand years they have been interfering in a backwards and forwards time reference manner in order to set up circumstances that they perceive to be beneficial for them in the measure of time that you would consider to be forward, that is, in the future. They have been going backwards and forwards in time to do this. They are suspended in the time cycle as they do this. So what they perceive as being your equivalent of one hour could be as long as 74 thousand years.
Q: (L) So they haven't been here for 300 thousand years?
A: They originally set up circumstances for their benefit 309 thousand years ago, however, they have been using the particular bracketed period of the 74 thousand year period alter things in all the various ways mentioned earlier.
The idea of a "battle" having been fought over the human race is a very ancient idea expressed in many religious parables:
Q: (L) What was the true event behind the story of the "Mark of Cain?"
A: Advent of jealousy.
Q: (L) What occurred to allow jealousy to enter into human interaction?
A: Lizard takeover.
Q: (L) Wasn't the Lizard takeover an event that occurred at the time of the fall of Eden?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this story of Cain and Abel part of that takeover?
A: Symbolism of story.
Q: (L) This was symbolic of the Lizzie takeover, the advent of jealousy, and the attitude of brother against brother, is that correct?
A: Partly. The mark of Cain means the "jealousy factor" of change facilitated by Lizard takeover of earth's vibrational frequency. Knot on spine is physical residue of DNA restriction deliberately added by Lizards. See?
Q: (L) Okay, Jan is going to move her hand up my back and you tell her when to stop at the "knot."
A: Okay.
Q: (L) You mean the [area of the] occipital ridge?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the configuration of the spine and skull prior to this addition?
A: Spine had no ridge there. Jealousy emanates from there, you can even feel it.
Q: (L) Do any of these emotions that we have talked about that were generated by DNA breakdown, were any of these related to what Carl Sagan discusses when he talks about the "Reptilian Brain"?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Okay, at the time this "Mark of Cain" came about, were there other humans on the planet that did not have this configuration?
A: It was added to all simultaneously.
Q: (L) How did they physically go about performing this act? What was the mechanism of this event, the nuts and bolts of it?
A: Are you ready? DNA core is as yet undiscovered enzyme relating to carbon. Light waves were used to cancel the first ten factors of DNA by burning them off. At that point, a number of physical changes took place including knot at top of spine. Each of these is equally reflected in the ethereal.
Q: (L) Well, the question I do have is, how many people were there on the planet and did they have to take each one and do this individually? [...] There were [however] many people on the planet, how did they effect this change on all of them?
A: Light wave alteration.
Q: (L) And light waves, actual light waves, affect DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) What was the origin of the light waves?
A: Our center. ...Our realm. STO.
Q: (L) So, how did the Lizzies use the light from the Service to Others realm...
A: They used sophisticated technology to interrupt light frequency waves.
Q: (L) Well, what I am getting out of this that you are saying from what you are not saying is that it was almost like,... well, was there a battle and you guys lost?
A: Yes.
[...]
Q: (T) I'm trying to. Now, another force in what we term as the past, defeated you and used the power of the light in order to alter us in different ways, is this correct?
A: Yes. Now understand this: It is all part of natural grand cycle.
Q: (L) If this is all a part of a natural grand cycle, and correct me if I am wrong here, it almost seems as if you guys, the "good guys", and the other "bad" guys, that you just really kind of go at it just for fun, is that true?
A: No.
Q: (L) But you say it is a natural thing or part of a natural grand cycle. Is this natural grand cycle just part of the interaction between light and darkness which just simply must be?
A: Yes. We are at "front line" of universe's natural system of balance. That is where one rises to before reaching total union of "The One". 6th level.
[...]
Q : (T) Now, the battle you had with the other side...
A: Are having.
Q: (T) This battle goes on... do you have the light power back?
A: [We] Never lost it, you did.
Q: (T) Okay, I guess that for us the Lizzies are the main force even though they have others on their side...
A: Yes.
Q: (T) They took our light, not yours?
A: Not against you. Currently in union with you.
Q: (T) So we are but one battle in the universe in an overall, ongoing struggle?
A: Yes. Balance is natural. Remember, it's all just lessons in the grand cycle.
Q: (L) I am really curious... when you guys and the Lizzies "go to it", what do you do? I mean, you obviously don't shoot guns at each other and you don't have tanks...
A: Too complicated for you to possibly understand because you are not at 4th level yet.
Q: (J) When you are fighting, is it any way at all possible for us to detect the battle?
A: First: We don't "fight." Second, yes; it's nature as in meteorology and earth changes.
Q: (T) Your form of confrontation takes the form of physical changes in the atmosphere and environment of the planet?
A: And in space.
Q: (T) But that is how we detect it? The more activity, the more conflict is going on?
A: Remember, we are the light. They are the dark. We are both high level thought forms reflected at all levels of reality.
Q: (T) So, what we perceive, then, is what comes through to third density which is not what we would perceive if we were looking at it from 4th or 5th or 6th.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Isn't it a little unfair for you guys, at 6th level, to take on the Lizzies at only 4th level?
A: The "Lizzies" are the 4th level representatives of the forces of the darkness not the 6th level, and you are 3rd level representatives.
Q: (L) Is there a 6th level representative of the forces of darkness?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And what is this 6th level representative known as, or called, or look like or whatever?
A: Orion in your "neighborhood."
Q: (L) The Orion's are 6th level STS beings?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are they like you, thought forms?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they ever appear in physical matter?
A: Can.
Q: (L) And they are the driving force that controls the Lizzies?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Is there some intermediary between the 6th level Orions and the 4th level Lizzies, such as a 5th level force or being?
A: 5th level is contemplation zone for both "sides".
Q: (L) Does that mean that at the contemplation level that there is no activity? (J) Is it like a "time out?"
A: Close. Balancer.
Q: (L) Is there a 3rd level representative of the forces of the light?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who or what are they?
A: Don't exist on your planet.
Q: (L) Do they have a planet of their own?
A: Have quadrillions of them.
Q: (L) Well, this is beginning to sound like we are in pretty bad shape here. This is like the Siberia of the universe as Gurdjieff said.
A: The Universe is infinitely huge.
Q: (L) If there are planets with STO beings...
A: Some look like you.

posted 01-01-2004 08:49 PM            

There are those extraterrestrials who feel, in fact believe, that to allow
the Earth and humankind a freedom of choice, a free will to pursue their
own path, is not in the best interests of these particular ET's or beings.
For they wish to draw on the energies of humankind and the Earth, to the
extent they can. These human energies can "feed" these ET's and even be a
part of their livelihood. Also by controlling humans in certain ways, it
allows other energies that humans would have utilized, to be accepted by
these other beings.

posted 01-01-2004 08:54 PM            

Humankind has become very adept at creating its own diseases and illnesses.
But there has been some help in this regard. Germ warfare has become a
science with the help of the space agents. Diseases have been introduced by
these same agents - AIDS is NOT one of them. This is of your own making.
The affects of yours and other governments work with the dark side are more
widespread than you could even imagine.

posted 01-01-2004 09:11 PM            

I'm not going to go there.

No offense.

posted 01-02-2004 12:02 AM            

Now I apparently got a completely different picture of the message Castaneda was portraying especially as regards his book "A Seperate Reality:Further Conversations with Don Juan". It came across more to me as a way of empowerment
rather than the way it came across to you as you said "Castaneda's allusion all is out of control and is being manipulated by an external evil force".

I viewed it from about 180 deg. from the other side, where the forces weren't inherently good or evil, they were just forces just like electricity, or gravity. or whatever. Though Carlos does mention various predatory forces in the Universe, not all forces such as 'allies' were inherently 'evil'.

Though I know we all come away with different insights from different authors, this aforementioned book, I would highly reccommend for anyone looking for a different perspective way outside the normal day to day matrix.

SmT

posted 01-02-2004 12:02 PM            

About Castaneda? All I could respond to with his "Children of the Matrix" were the quotes given. So I reacted to them only. As far as the other books, I read them both (his first two) when they first came out. It's been years since I've reveiwed, and yes, I never felt a sense of powerlessness in those at all. And he seemed to, like you said, just be dealing with energies and his "allies" played a role, too. I hear ya. But authors change as they go through life, and I can't help but pick up on his more negative less empowering bent in what little was presented in the new book. Would have to read it to get a fair perspective, of course.

Just a reaction to an excerpt!

Hey Mech! I poo-pooed the reptilian agenda for many years! But more seems to be coming out to support the possiblity. Chances are the investation will clear up and most humans won't even know about it --

But his main point, that the human aspect of the Reptilian race did merge genetically with a certain amount of people and those people, supposedly the Illuminati select (British Royal Family,Bush family etc. which I admit is a weird and almost nutzoid postulate) --- contain brains that allow access and overcontrol through dimensional and consciousness manipulation by the Reps. Some know and some don't know consciously. That is the theory. You are free to reject it or disagree -- but that's what it is.

What smacks me in the head about this theory or any theory that aknowledges an external power force divorced from each of our own individual wills, is that it:

1. in a psychological sense takes power of individual responsibility away from those who should be held accountable and transfers that responsiblity to an external foreign entity, not just a force, but a controlling entity itself. This changes our whole supposed notion of how we are as beings in the world and the universe at a psychological level.

2. is a creepy thought (hehehe!)engendering fear, but yet could stir mechanisms to prevent overcontrol and stimulate energies within us to preserve our freedoms and liberties.

3. forces us to recall that in Biblical and other spiritual writings, evil entities are recognized, but our free-wills and love energy reigns supreme in the message.

4. stimulates us to think that there are stories of possessions of various kinds and actual cases witnessed.

5. relates to the notion of overcontrol of a dominating human cabal, and one step further, a dominating alien race -- it's not such a big leap in the "disempowerment" message, is there? It's the same: someone else controls our lives or seeks to control it. Perhaps a mindset of feeling disempowered fuels the theory itself and those who tend to adhere to the notion of conspiracy itself are those who psychologically feel "disempowered." But does that mean it's actually a false reality possibility?

6. creates in me a force to fight this overall notion, trying to be objective in its possiblity, trying to stay open to all possible sentient forces and possibilities.

7. forces us to realize a battle within us all and without of evil verses good, of empowerment verses disempowerment and overcontrol, and losing our free-wills and choices seems to be the greatest threat of all for we inherently know that this is our reality and right-- we are ONE -- and this is our world in which to learn and grow. Peace and enlightenment are our birthrights through evolutionary means. Threats to this matrix we have jointly created as a species seems to be the major concern -- the bottom line.

So where you stand, Mech, is not so far from the one more step to accept alien control of the "evil" humans. I seem to be able to flit from theory to theory and make sense of it on multi-levels. Maybe my reality has been cracked open in order to accept possibilities and see them as logical. But then again, I fight the notion and go back to my center of knowing that my spirit, my reason for being is still intact, not threatened, and I am in charge of my own life, my own spirit and will contribute to the concept of our spiritual ONEness and the ultimate goal of world peace. This is the best tack to take regardless of the various forces. We must each of us be active in our own spiritual development and do what we can to express that love to all others, to unite our nation and the world and it is how we will change our world and protect our species from ANY threats to our continuance in this matrix. We stay true to truth, true to our values of brotherhood and fairness, and we work toward the goal. It does not have to be done in anger. Anger feeds the other side, as Star Wars so eloquently illustrates -- fight with the sword of truth and light! Courage!

bc

posted 01-06-2004 10:45 PM            

You're going to scare the coincidence theorists!

I remember when I first heard about Wiley in Tennessee, a big red flag went up.

SmT

posted 01-06-2004 11:17 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mark sky:
Stewart was in Southern Oregon Coast several years ago, I think its the same Stewart S.?
Brown on the bottom and Violet up top?
tip of long island? we met as well

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Yes - that's Stewart alright! Brown for grounding, and violet for the crown chakra.

I have not seen Stewart or Janet in years! He was best man at my brother's wedding - they still keep in touch on a weekly basis. He helped my father last summer when he was in the hospital on his death bed - which in turn helped all of us. I did all the original typing and graphics for his first book. Funny thing is, I never got a copy of the published version but I still have all the original material.