posted 01-02-2004 05:45 PM            

Why has no one connected the dots with the diagram of the tetrahedrons in a sphere (Hyper - D model) with the Star of David? Has anyone here seen how drawing the hexagon on the Great Seal of the United States on the dollar bill (pyramid side) then tracing the lines - gives the viewer a word puzzle that spells out Mason? How did the ancients know this symbol (hexagon) was "magical" (planetary science)?
And has anyone here touched on the mysteries of Nasa and the obvious ritual numbers they work with? 33, 39, 19.5 And how these numbers are totally wrapped up in many Masonic endevours?
I take all info on the net with a grain of salt but this guy Hoagland seems to be real close to "nailing it". I encourage readers here to at least check it out.

Hoagland's pal Mike Bara has put together the best work on 9/11 I have yet to come across and if you don't read anything else at least read this:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm

I really wish I had more time...

-B H A N G-

posted 01-02-2004 05:53 PM            

I don't know Bhang..it is nice to speculate on a lot of things...and I do my share but mostly (in my case) I try to stick with what I can prove.

EX:

Illuminatis obession with the occult.

* Known attendence of Bohemian Grove by world leaders..Bush,Kissinger etc.Where they worship a giant stone owl (Moloch) and do mock sacrifices.

*G.W. Bush and John Kerry..both Yale Graduates and members of Skull and Bones

posted 01-02-2004 06:48 PM            

I’ve been studying symbolism & numerology now for a little over 10 years. Fascinating subject – I learn from it daily! I’ve studied both sides - universal (spiritual) and the dark (ego – Illuminati) side. I have visited Richard Hoagland’s Enterprise Mission website – but it’s been a while. I read his book The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever over a decade ago and feel there is compelling evidence showing a civilization once inhabited that planet. I also believe that there is evidence on Earth that shows the same thing - life existed here “before we know it”.

posted 01-02-2004 07:25 PM            

I too am familiar with Hoagland's site and his obsession with Mars. I listen to him on Coast to Coast AM radio whenever he appears.

Haven't read his books, but know about the PTB and their fascination with numbers, symbolism, and ritual. David Icke has a lot to say about the Illuminati and their alien connections, fascination with ritual, and such. Don't know how much Hoagland and Icke parallel, but it would be an interesting study.

Guess time will tell if Mars does contain clues to ancient advanced civilizations influencing our development.

Read the Icke thread and see if it at all resonates with Hoagland's stuff. His site:
http://www.davidicke.com

All fascinating! Don't know if I buy it totally! Still processing!

bc

posted 01-03-2004 05:38 PM            

That's why I don't listen to Coast to Coast and very rarely to Jeff Rense. Its just not my thing.

I like the Alex Jones show, John Staffmiller, The Power Hour and a few others..they focus mostly on things that are documented and proved.

Bhang...check out these WTC links.

http://www.infowars.com/sept11_archive.htm

posted 01-03-2004 05:51 PM            

CU

posted 01-04-2004 12:58 AM            

When you said: has anyone here touched on the mysteries of NASA and the obvious ritual numbers they work with? 33, 39, 19.5

posted 01-04-2004 09:57 AM            

The arcane subject of "Hyperdimensional Physics."

Unknown to most current physicists and students of science (if not the general media and public), the beginnings of modern physics launched over 100 years ago by the so-called "giants" -- Helmholtz, Lord Kelvin, Faraday, Maxwell and many others -- laid a full and rich tradition in this currently little-known field: the open, heatedly debated scientific and philosophical premise that three-dimensional reality is only a subset of a series of higher, hyperspatial, additional dimensions, which control not only the physics of our very existence, from stars to galaxies to life itself ... but potentially, through time-variable changes in its foundations--

This bold theoretical and experimental era, at the very dawn of science as we know it, came to an abrupt end at the close of the 19th Century. That was when our currently accepted (and very different) view of "physics" -- everything from the "Big Bang" Expanding Universe Cosmology, to Relativistic limitations imposed by "flat" space and non-simultaneous time, complicated by a non-intuitive "Quantum Mechanics" of suddenly uncertain atomic "realities" -- all took a very different turn ... from where they had been headed.

Found in the Seal of Soloman is geometry. This geometry is sacred to the "Wise Men".
Not only was the Seal of Soloman important to the ancients but it is also important in planetary science.

Because at 19.5 degrees of all plnetary bodies are "hot spots" (within an error margin of .5 degrees)
Earth: 20 degrees/ Hawaii most active volcanic region on Earth.
Jupiter: 19.5 degrees / great red spot.
Neptune: 20 degrees / great blue spot.
Sun: 19.5 degrees / most dramatic solar flares and sun spots.
And on all planets this region of 19.5 degrees holds a great energy source.

In terms of Richard Hoagland's 'hyperdimensional physics' derived from the geometric 'message' of Cydonia (Mars), the conduit or 'stargate' between this world and the Otherworld (i.e. hyperspace) is prominently represented by the angle 19.5. According to the theory, it is the tetrahedral geometry signified by this angle that enables inter-dimensional energy transfer between the two realms.

The architect of Washington DC, Pierre Charles L'Enfante, was a French Freemason who was well acquainted with Benjamin Franklin from the latter's time in France. L'Enfante cleverly encoded not only the Masonic symbol of the Compass and Square into his design for our capitol city, but also apparently an inverted pentagram, commonly considered an occult/Satanic symbol.

Notice in the streets of Washington the 19.5 degrees represented.

And this is Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
33 and 39. 39 is twice of 19.5

Also Washington was built on the 39th parallel (19.5 harmonic) because they could not build at 19.5 in the Atlantic Ocean.

And the pentagon is built on the 77th meridian.(The meridian is the imaginary arc running overhead from South to North over an observers viewpoint, in effect "splitting the sky" in two. When a celestial object crosses this arc (due to Earth's rotation), the object is said to "transit" the meridian. This transit of the meridian represents the highest altitude this object will achieve over the horizon, known as its "culmination."

It was flight 77 that hit the pentagon! Also measure the angles around the pentagon and get 77 degrees!!!
And let's not forget that the building of the Pentagon began in 1941 on Sept. 11 during a Masonic Ritual.

As those familiar with Hoagland's work would surely know, '33' and '19.5' are considered the two key numbers in the 'hyperdimensional code'.
In 1997, the esoteric importance of those numbers was overtly demonstrated as NASA landed (July, 4th - see "The Battle of Hattin" in 1187 a.d.) a tetrahedron-shaped Mars Pathfinder lander on the Red Planet at 19.5 N and 33 W.! (That's pretty in your face, isn't it?) Not only that, at the moment of touchdown, Earth was positioned 19.5 degrees above the eastern Martian horizon as seen from Pathfinder's landing site. As Mike Bara, Hoagland's right-hand man at the Enterprise Mission, wrote:

Pathfinder's unique tetrahedral spacecraft design geometry, coupled with the totally "recursive" tetrahedral geometry of the landing site itself, was obviously intended by NASA "ritualists" behind the scenes to celebrate on their first return to Mars in over twenty years ¨C the two key Hyperdimensional numbers underlying all the NASA rituals "19.5" and "33."

Indeed, NASA obsessively incorporates those two numbers again and again into its space missions.

More 19's

Recent discovery of a remarkable pattern of 19's throughout the Koran. In the view of many modern Islamics, the scientific discovery of the code of the 19's provides the final proof of Allah's direct Revelation of the Koran:

THE CODE - SIMPLE FACTS

Though the code was initially discovered by examining the occurrences of Quranic initials in the initialed chapters of Quran, there is a large number of much less complex parameters to the code. Here is a brief listing of some of them:

1.There are 114 chapters in the Quran, or 19 x 6.

2.The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19 x 334.

3.Then you add the 30 different numbers which are mentioned in the Quran's text (i.e. one God, two brothers, etc.), the total is 162146 or 19 x 8534.

4.The first statement in Quran, "In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful" consists of 19 Arabic letters. Known as the `Basmalah', it prefaces every chapter except Chapter 9.

5.Though missing from Chapter 9, exactly 19 chapters later the Basmalah occurs twice. Chapter 27 has this statement at its beginning and in verse 30. This makes the total number of times the Basmalah occurs in the Quran 114, or 19 x 6.

6.Since there are 19 chapters between the missing Basmalah and the extra one, the sum of those chapter numbers is a multiple of 19. (The sum of any 19 consecutive numbers is a multiple of 19.) But the total, 342, is also the exact number of words between the two occurrences of the Basmalah in Chapter 27. This number, 342, is 19 x 18.

7.Every word in the Basmalah occurs throughout the Quran a number of times which is a multiple of 19.

8.The very first revelation that was given to the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, came as 19 words.

9.The total number of letters making up the 19 words of the first revelation is 76, 19 x 4.

10.Though they were the first revelation, these verses are placed at the beginning of Chapter 96. This chapter is atop the last 19 chapters.

11.Chapter 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, or 19 x 16.

12.The last chapter revealed (Chapter 110) has 19 words, and its first verse is 19 letters.

13.God's name in Arabic, `Allah,' occurs in the Quran 2698 times, or 19 x 142.

14.If you add the numbers of the verses where `Allah' occurs, the total is 118123 or 19 x 6217.

15.The main message in the Quran is that there is only One God. The number of times that the word `one' is used to refer to this concept of One God is 19.

16.The word `Quran' occurs in 38 different chapters, or 19 x 2.

17.The total number of times `the Quran' is mentioned is 57, 19 x 3.

18.Within the 114 chapters of the Quran, 29 of them begin with the Quranic initials discussed earlier. Intermixed between the first initialed chapter (Chapter 2) and the last initialed chapter (Chapter 68) are 38 non-initialed chapters, or 19 x 2.

19.In that same group of chapters, from Chapter 2 to Chapter 68, there are 19 alternating sets of initialed and non-initialed chapters.

20.The total number of verses making up this group of chapters is 5263, 19 x 277.

21.Within this group of chapters there are also 2641 occurrences of the word `Allah', or 19 x 139. Of course, that leaves 57, or 19 x 4, occurrences of that word outside of this group.

22.If you add the chapter and verse numbers of the 57 occurrences of `Allah' outside the initialed section, the total is 2432 or 19 x 128.

23.There are a large number of discoveries having to do with the numbers of the chapters and verses. Many of them are very complex and interrelated. Here is a simple one to give you a feel for these discoveries: If you add the numbers assigned to all the chapters, plus the numbers assigned to all of the verses, plus the number of verses in the Quran, the total is 346199 or 19 x 19 x 959.

24.If you look at the initialed chapters separately and add the chapter numbers, verse numbers and number of verses, the total is 190133, 19 x 10007. Of course it follows that the total for the uninitialed chapters, 156066, is also divisible by 19.

At this point, we were beginning to see a serious pattern - a highly disturbing pattern, with a unique Templar/Islamic signature indicating that a striking series of coincidences...

19 highjackers...

It goes on and on. Now you see why I want to write a book.

posted 01-04-2004 11:25 AM            

All Seeing Eye within a triangle surrounded by a golden glory. Besides the obvious Masonic significance of this design, it has a cabalistic value of 70 plus 3 plus 200, equaling 273 which is the value of the phrase EHBEN MOSU HABONIM (the stone which the builders refused) familiar to all Royal Arch Masons. It is also the value of the Hebrew proper noun HIRAM ABIFF, the architect of Solomon's Temple and the principal character of the legend used in the Master Mason degree. The triangle is isosceles, formed by two right triangles having sides of five, twelve, and thirteen units in length, illustrating the 47th Problem of Euclid. The triangle also represents the capstone of the unfinished
pyramid and reminds the Mason of the immortality of the soul and that in eternity he will complete the capstone of his earthly labors according to the designs on the trestle-board of the Supreme Architect of the Universe. The unfinished pyramid cannot fail to remind him of the unfinished condition of the Temple when tragedy struck down its Master architect.

Or another view:

THE GREAT SEAL DECODED.
(extracted from the Truth Campaign)

The eye on the pyramid is an ancient Mesopotamian symbol of the Godhead, otherwise known in Freemasonry as the Great Architect of the Universe. The pyramid symbolises the hierarchy of Creation and the upward vortex of evolution towards oneness with God. However, this symbol is not all it appears to be at first. The pyramid on the dollar bill represents the first triangle (of the star of David). If you overlay a second triangle downward facingover the one created by the pyramid, you form the symbol of Judaism, the six-pointed Magen David, the "Star", or "Shield",of David.

The Encyclopaedia Judaica has this to say about this symbol: The oldest text mentioning a shield of David is contained in an explanation of a magical "alphabet of the angel Metatron" which stems from the geonic period and was current among the Hasidei Ashkena of the 12th century. But here it was the holy name of 72 names which was said to have been engraved on this protective shield, together with the name MKBY, which the tradition of the magicians connected with Judah Maccabe. In cognate sources this tradition was much embellished. The name of the angel Taftafiyyah, one of the names of Metatron, was added to the 72 holy names, and indeed an amulet in the form of a hexagram with this one name became one of the most widespread protective charms in many medieval and later manuscripts:

That the great seal is hiding a greater Judaic significance is confirmed by the fact that there are 72 stones in the facing side of the pyramid. Each of the points, apart from the uppermost one, land on a letter. These letters clearly spell out MASON. This is obviously no coincidence. The "hidden elite" (illuminati) of Freemasonry always speak in symbols to the masses in a way which they don't understand. They therefore cleverly hide their works in plain sight. The fact that elite Jews haveo perated as hidden hand behind Freemasonry since the 18th Century is often refuted even by researchers and authors studying this subject. If we appreciate that the upward-pointing triangle is really the pyramid face at an angle, then we can also see that if it were to face us directly, symmetry would be restored and the equilateral symbol would then cut through the Roman
numeral MDCCLXXVI (1776) right through the D and V . This would leave the M and I outside of the hexagram. May 1st 1776 was the date of the foundation of the Bavarian Illuminati by Jesuit Adam Weishaupt. The Illuminati added their own 13 degrees of initiation to the 33 degrees of

Freemasonry. This is symbolised by the 13 levels of the pyramid in the Great Seal. The stated aim of the Illuminati was to graft into Freemasonry in order to take over the world in a New Secular Order (Novus Ordo Seclorum) based upon atheism and materialism. This it has done, and since the 18th Century Freemasonry has become the major vehicle for world manipulation by the hidden elite who sit at the apex of the Free masonic secret societies and its offshoots. It was during the 18th Century that the Jewish Kabbalists used their Satanic magical knowledge and financial clout to infiltrate and control secret societies which sprang up throughout Europe. Their aim was and has always been a New World Order based on Talmudic and Cabalistic principles as first recorded in the Book of Deuteronomy. The upper motto "Annuit Coeptis" means: He has approved our beginnings. The "he" is Yahweh, the ancient god of Judaism, otherwise known as Satan! The infiltration and perversion of the ancient knowledge held within Freemasonry is well summarised by the "occult" downward pointing triangle in the hexagram. This is a negative mirror image, a complete reversal of the triangle which represents evolution towards God, and therefore represents devolution into materiality.

The hidden star reveals that the hidden agenda is Satanic, whilst only appearing to be faithful to the one God.
The full relevance of the Great Seal is only seen once the reversed image is inserted and the Star of David is created; it can therefore be seen as a symbol of world domination by the forces of darkness who outwardly claim to be forces of light. Classic satanic reversal!
To further confirm that this entire Seal has been constructed to portray a Satanic significance to initiates, if we join the letters highlighted in the hexagram M-A-S-O-N-we find perhaps the most recognisable Satanic symbol of all, the inverted pentagram. When examined further, the geometry of the pentagram is found to be derived from the geometry of the vortex. Like the hexagram, if the single point is facing upwards, this indicates an evolutionary motion through the vortex
towards the balanced order of light of the Godhead, but when inverted portrays the opposite meaning - devolution into the imbalanced darkness of chaos. To days Freemasons have a motto -
"Ordo Ab Chao" - meaning; "Order Out Of Chaos". Nothing is used more successfully to create chaos and instill order from it than the control of money, it is therefore no surprise that the sign was placed on the Dollar Bill in 1933 by the 33rd degree Freemason president of the USA, Franklin Delano Roosevelt - a descendant of the Jewish Rosenfeld bloodline. It should also be no surprise then that the majority of money-lenders have always been Jewish, that Jews hold the most powerful positions in global banking, and that certain of these elite Jews have pulled the strings of mankind for Centuries by working as the "hidden masters" within most of the occult secret societies.

- so does that answer some questions? See what I'm talking about Jersey?

posted 01-05-2004 01:11 AM            

First let me say, excellent work – thank you for all that. And yes, it all makes sense to me. That was LOADED and WELL put together. I definitely think you should write that book. I’d certainly read it and it would be nice to have all that information available in one source. I smell a seller!

Please don’t take what I’m going to say in a snobby way!! I’ve seen qutie a bit of that information before and I wholeheartedly believe the Illuminati base all of their rituals with numberology, albeit a negative system! What was TOTALLY NEW to me was the relationship between the Koran and 19 and the Kennedy Space Center. I know so little about the Koran and can only imagine the symbolism that it contains. I’d be interested in learning more in this area! What I’m trying to say is, go deeper - I’m interested and would love to hear more! Next chapter please!

I wanted to give you a brief view, hopefully not too confusing, of the spiritual numerological system that is at the base of the symbolic system I use. I use it daily, or in particular, when things strike me - especially in dreams. It is based on (22) - the book of Revelation has (22) chapters. This system takes the spiritual themes of the individual chapter and assigns a symbolic meaning to the number. Some chapters and themes cross over and run into each other, but that’s another story in itself. For example, (1) would represent - new beginnings, the eternal now because this chapter is the introduction of the (7) churches which symbolically represent the (7) levels of physical reality. And (22) would represent – transition of physical reality because this chapter is the conclusion, symbolically the awareness of God Mind. There are actually (10) aspects of God Mind but “It” removes a portion of itself to correct the insanity of separation which leaves (9).

To go further, if you take the (22) chapters in Revelation and divide it by the (7) levels of physical reality you get 22 divided by 7 = 3.14 (Pi). The Greek letter Pi stands for power of intelligence. The (3) represents the 3 (Roman) cycles – the crucifixion, the creation of Israel, and Christ’s return. The .14 = 1 + 4 = 5. Since chapter (5) discusses the scroll and the lamb, it represents Christ mind (Christ repeats – it is that which helps the illusion, the insanity of separation disappear).

But back to the 19.5 as you tried to explain - I guess I should have known it was based on a mathematical system, especially since Hoagland referenced it all over his Mars book. But I have to admit I still don’t understand what 19.5 means symbolically. I probably should not look at it the way I’m conditioned to, but my mind always looks at numbers spiritually first – and I’m sure the system above does not make a bit of sense to you either huh? But that’s ok.

Here is something I think you’ll appreciate and will be able to expand on. A while back, I posted on a 9/11 thread here with a small sample of the symbolism I found revolving around 11 and 13 and the Twin Towers attack. I’m going to paste that here for you:

I’m not sure if the numerological implications of 9/11 have been discussed on the various threads here, but I believe there is a correlation between the World Trade Center incident and numerology. As some of us know, the importance placed on numerology can be seen as far back as 10,000 years ago, beginning with the Egyptians and Babylonians; onto the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans and Persians; and even is a part of the secret wisdom of the Kabbalah, and the ancient science of Gematria - to name just a few.

The number 11 is a master number - which means it does not get reduced to a single digit (such as 22, 33, 44…). As most history buffs know, WWI ended on the 11th hour, of the 11th day, of the 11th month. In ancient history, King Tut’s tomb displayed many combinations of 11 in his burial chamber. In space exploration, Apollo 11 was the first mission to land on the moon (note: the mission numbers were skipped to ensure 11 was the number that landed).

For Freemasons, master numbers 11, 22, and 33 represent a triangle. A triangle of enlightenment or illumination. Illuminati rituals and ceremonies are always based around symbolism – one being numerology.

There are so many “coincidences” with the number 11 on September 11, 2001, but I’d like to point out a few that have always stood out for me:

1. The Date: 9/11 = 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
2. New York City = 11 letters
3. The Twin Towers = Look like number 11 (or used to anyway)
4. The first plane to hit the towers = American Airlines Flight 11
5. September 11 is the 254th day of the year = 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
6. World Trade Center Towers, 22 letters = 22 divide by 2 (for 2 towers) = 11
7. George W. Bush = 11 letters

Check this one out: President George H. W. Bush gave his New World Order Speech to Congress on September 11, 1990. 11 years later = September 11, 2001. Hmmm.

Now to go further, the NORTH is left empty in the Mason Lodges as a symbol of their belief about that direction. They believe north is the direction of God’s throne [see Isaiah 14:13 KVJ] and represents the area of darkness, superstition, and ignorance - “For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.”

The two most important numbers in the occult world are 11 and 13. The number 11 symbolizes all that is evil and imperfect and the number 13 signifies rebellion against God's authority.

The NORTH Tower was hit first by Flight 11
The south Tower was hit by Flight 175 = 1 + 7 + 5 = 13

posted 01-05-2004 08:10 AM            

I think you overlooked a few more 11's -

quote:

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1. The Date: 9/11 = 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
2. New York City = 11 letters
3. The Twin Towers = Look like number 11 (or used to anyway)
4. The first plane to hit the towers = American Airlines Flight 11
5. September 11 is the 254th day of the year = 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
6. World Trade Center Towers, 22 letters = 22 divide by 2 (for 2 towers) = 11
7. George W. Bush = 11 letters

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8. New York was the 11th State of the Union
9. 11th Labor of Hercules was to keep the pillars (towers) from falling.
10. (II) Twins of Gemini are associated with Mercury, God of Trade & Commerce. World Trade Center.
11. American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane flown into World Trade Tower2, had 11 crewmembers. A total of 65 people were on Flight 11. 6+5 = 11. So Flight number + crew members + total of people = 33!
12. The second plane, United Airlines Flight 175, hit the World Trade Tower 1 at 9:02 AM. 9+2 = 11.
13. After 9/11, there are 111 days left in the year.
14. President Bush ordered flags to fly at half mast until 9/22, making an 11 day period of mourning.
15. The Muslim year is 11 days shorter than the Western calendar system.
16. September the 11th is New Years Day in the ancient Egyptian Coptic Christian calendar.
17. Egypt ratified its current constitution 9/11 in 1971.
18. How about the Templar Order's date of official recognition by the Vatican: 1118 AD. Which, when added (1+1+1+8) equals another 11!
19.In 1095 AD (note the decimal recursion of the critical 19.5 symbolism!), Pope Urban II declared a holy war against the Muslim invaders of the Holy Land, and launched an effort to retake the sacred city of Jerusalem; the infamous Crusades had thus begun .

By 1099, this was accomplished. Then, in 1113 (notice your 11 and 13), a new order was formed within the Catholic Church that came to be known as the Knights Hospitalers.
Nine Knights (this number will become important later) split off from the original Knights Hospitalers and, all dependent on one another through a complex series of family relationships, presented themselves to King Baudoin I of Jerusalem in 1118 -- requesting the duty of keeping Christian pilgrims safe on the roads and highways leading to the holy city from the port of Jaffa. Obviously, such a task was far beyond the capabilities of a mere nine men, and the entire protection gambit was a ruse concealing another agenda for public consumption. Upon arrival in Jerusalem, the Knights (under the patronage of this Vatican appointed Monarch of Jerusalem) proceeded directly to the Temple Mount, the ancient site of the Temple of Solomon, and immediately began excavating the (even then) ancient ruin. It is for this work that they received their name, the “Knights of the Temple (Knights Templar).
How about the Templar Order's date of official recognition by the Vatican: 1118 AD.

Which, when added (1+1+1+8) equals another 11!

Now, do you remember (as asked earlier) that there were 9 Templar original Knights involved in the founding of the Order? Which, when added to the previous Templar founding date, equals--

911!!!

Which brings us to this crucial year of the 911 Attack - 2001.

There are exactly 883 years between 1118 and 2001.

And these, when added (8+8+3) equal 19 -- which was the exact number of hijackers on the aircraft.

I could play this game all day. There is so much buried here - but the problem I have with it is what system of nummerology is being used?

Minoru Yamasaki, the chief architect of the World Trade Towers, once described his search for architectural inspiration thus:

"I decided that I wanted to go back and find out what happened in the older buildings, you see. And once I got started on this idea of looking at older buildings to try to gain from them the qualities that we might instill in our architecture then I got very excited, you see. And so I started with the cathedrals".

-- Minoru Yamasaki, in Paul Heyer, Architects on Architecture: New Directions in America, p186.

Yamasaki's discussion of incorporating qualities "grandeur", "mysticism", "power", as in the great cathedrals, into contemporary architecture is provocative. And his specific reiteration of the term strong, remarkably echoes the very meaning of one of the pillars of Solomon's Temple -Boaz: strength. Even more intriguing, in the Temple Boaz was the left hand (northern) pillar in the September 11th attack, Flight 11 hit the northern Tower first - thereby attacking the strength of America first.

In a direct comparison, the Gothic cathedral-like architecture Yamasaki designed into the World Trade Towers becomes startling and unmistakable in hindsight. The question is: was he trying to communicate something deeper than a mere physical resemblance …?
The great Gothic cathedrals of Europe were constructed over a period of about two hundreds years –- from approximately 1134 to 1350 -- by masons … ostensibly the same guild that would go on to become the foundation of Freemasonry today. And it was these same Templar masons who were supposed have incorporated esoteric and secret geometric knowledge into the cathedrals basic construction:

Paul Heyer's Architects on Architecture: New Directions in America (p. 194-195) contains the following description of Yamasaki's actual design of the twin towers:

“The structural system, deriving from the I.B.M. Building in Seattle, is impressively simple. The 208-foot wide facade is, in effect, a prefabricated steel lattice, with columns on 39-inch centers acting as wind bracing to resist all overturning forces; the central core takes only the gravity loads of the building. A very light, economical structure results by keeping the wind bracing in the most efficient place, the outside surface of the building, thus not transferring the forces through the floor membrane to the core, as in most curtain-wall structures. Office spaces will have no interior columns. In the upper floors there is as much as 40,000 square feet of office space per floor. The floor construction is of prefabricated trussed steel, only 33 inches in depth, that spans the full 60 feet to the core, and also acts as a diaphragm to stiffen the outside wall against lateral buckling forces from wind-load pressures."

... a prefabricated steel lattice, with columns on 39-inch centers

As everyone who has followed this string should instantly recognize by now, 39 is none other than -

Twice 19.5!

Two towers twice 19.5 creating a 39-inch separation of the steel.

The floor construction is of prefabricated trussed steel, only 33 inches in depth, that spans the full 60 feet to the core .

And, again, recognize that -

“33 is not only the highest attainable Degree in Masonry in the Scottish Rite … it is also (and more fundamentally) the sin of 19.5 degrees.

60 of course is the critical angle in both equilateral triangles and the tetrahedra of which they are comprised -- the latter incorporating those same critical circumscribed 19.5-degree angles …

In other words, it is overwhelmingly obvious that Yamasaki went out of his way to quietly, secretly, incorporate key Templar/Masonic geometric information in the most fundamental dimensions of the World Trade Center Towers themselves. By using these specific units [which are NOT metric, and certainly not part of any Imperial (English) measurement system], there can be no other logical explanation for Yamasaki's bizarre choices of those specific numbers … other than to enshrine Masonic secrets in his masterpieces … and thus provide convincing proof of the Trade Towers ultimate symbolic role as “the twin pillars of Solomon.

By the way, who owned the WTC? Rockefeller? Isn't he part of all the Builderburg, Trilateral Commision thing? Maybe the "Illuminated" knew they would bring these buildings down before they were even built?

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There is a book I got Jersey that I think you'd be interested in.
It's called The Three Books of Occult Philosophy written by Henry C. Agrippa. It was written durning the middle ages while witchs were burning all over Europe. Henry was an educated man that collected occult data from all over Europe and to escape from being labeled a whitch, he would report all his findings to the Church.
It's a great book for understanding the "virtues of numbers" and can explain "magic squares", basic nummerology etc. I like it because it's one of the oldest collections of occult lore around.
Check it out.

No I'm not a witch, but I do study all religions. I'm Christian by hart.

Anyways I got a crap load more with nummbers and I have connected many dots that are not written about. It's with help from folks like you I will be able to write THE BOOK of Books.

Twins of Gemini are associated with Mercury, the God of Trade & Commerce, also known as Hermes, the God of Information. Also called Lucifer, the Bringer of Illumination. (Apollo is also the bringer of illumination). Appropriately, Lucifer is the God of Trade according to Ezekiel 28:16.

Thanks for the input. Got any more?

posted 01-05-2004 01:09 PM            

I hear you about not being a witch. Just because you’re into looking at things from a different perspective does not make it wrong, or negative, or evil. You’re just using another God given tool (numbers) to understand your reality – awareness on any level is never wrong. You just reminded me of something funny. I was called a witch once by a guy I was involved with – he was convinced I put spells on him. He didn’t want any “attachments” in his life but said he couldn’t help himself when it came to me. So his weakness toward me was my fault, he said I cast spells on him. Believe me, I’m the first to admit to not being THAT special! Pretty funny though huh? But if it were the middle ages right now, I’d be burned at the stake for the things I think and you would probably get away with your thoughts somehow – ha!

You wondered what numerological system the occult world bases its system on – I believe it’s an Egyptian one. There are many negatives and much dark symbolism there. I have not really delved into that side of symbolism as I have into the spiritual side – sorry. At Wikipedia, under Numerology says the following (and this site has quite a bit of info too):
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qabala

Historians believe that modern numerology is an integration of the teachings from Ancient Babylonia, Pythagoras and his followers, (6 th. Century B.C. Greece) Astrological philosophy from Hellenistic Alexandria, early Christian Mysticism, the occultism of the early Gnostics and the Hebrew system of the Qabala. The Indian Vedas, the Chinese "Circle of the Dead",and the Egyptian "Book of the Master of the Secret House", (Ritual of the Dead) are records giving strong evidence that Numerology dates back thousands of years.

posted 01-05-2004 02:24 PM            

Now for a little more "sight seeing" -

Some who have been reading might wonder what Zion has to do with all of this?
(As if it wasn't obvious) Here is some VERY interesting information I came across by accident.

On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them "dancing", "high-fiving", and "celebrating" as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey.
Steven Gordon was the lawyer who volunteered to represent the five Israelis. He was asked by a Hebrew newspaper why the five men were being detained by the FBI. Here's what Gordon told Yediot America:

"On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located," said Gordon. "I'm not sure if they saw the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers. "

Anyhow, the three left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot, located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked, stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied and reported the license plates.

When the photos were developed, they revealed that the dancing Israelis were smiling in the foreground of the New York massacre. According to ABC's 20/20 attempted whitewash of the incident, in addition to their outrageous and highly suspicious behavior, the five also had in their possession the following items; box-cutters, European passports, and $4700 cash hidden in a sock. Why were these Israeli agents so happy about the horrible massacre that was unfolding right before their very eyes? What evil spirit could possess people who are supposed to be America's "allies", and who receive billions of dollars in financial and military aid from US taxpayers each year , to publicly rejoice as innocent people (including many American Jews) were burning to death and jumping out of 110 story buildings? Could it be that these happy Israeli army veterans were in some way linked to this monstrous attack? That's what officials close to the investigation initially told The Bergen Record newspaper of New Jersey.

The five Israelis made such a spectacle that everyone who saw them felt compelled to call the police. According to ABC's 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the first words out of the driver's (Sivan Kurzberg) lying mouth were: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." The police and FBI field agents became really suspicious when they found box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the Bergen Record that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were all joking about the attacks. The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me."

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stuck in storage facilities. The five Israeli army veterans (Mossad) were held in custody for several months before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days.

Immediately following the attacks, the Zionist controlled media was filled with stories linking the attacks to Bin Laden. TV talking-heads and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. We were told that the reason Bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because of our wealth. But Bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the 9-11 attacks:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks....The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." - Osama Bin Laden

I think Hitler said someting just like this but I can't find the quote just yet...

Some more interesting quotes that Mech may be interested in:

The observation that Zionists dominate the American media, government, academia, and Hollywood has been made by many prominent Americans and is easily verifiable by public information.

"If after having elected their man or group, obedience is not rendered to the Jewish control, then you speedily hear of "scandals" and "investigations" and "impeachments" for the removal of the disobedient. Usually a man with a "past" proves the most obedient instrument, but even a good man can often be tangled up in campaign practices that compromise him. It has been commonly known that Jewish manipulation of American election campaigns have been so skillfully handled, that no matter which candidate was elected, there was ready made a sufficient amount of evidence to discredit him in case his Jewish masters needed to discredit him." - Henry Ford

"Their greatest danger to this country lies in the Jewish ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio, and our government." - Charles Lindbergh

Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff under Ronald Reagan said this:

"I've never seen a President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."

While a guest on ABC's Face the Nation, William Fulbright - US Senator and Chairman of the US Foreign Relations committee - said this before a national television audience:

"Israel controls the United States Senate. We should be more concerned about the United States' interests."

Nationally syndicated columnist and former presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan said:

"The United States Congress is Israeli occupied territory."

And US religious leader Billy Graham and President Richard Nixon once had the following exchange, which was caught on tape:

GRAHAM: "The Jewish stranglehold on the media has got to be broken or this country's going down the drain".

NIXON: "You believe that?"

GRAHAM: "Yes, sir."

NIXON: "Oh boy. So do I. I can't ever say that but I do believe it"

But enough of quoting others. Let's look at the facts of Zionist control.

FACT: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, UPN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Daily News, Time Magazine, Newsweek, People Magazine, US News and World Report and countless other media and Hollywood companies all have either a Zionist CEO, a Zionist News Chief, or are owned by a media conglomerate which has a Zionist CEO.

Have you ever noticed how Hollywood movies always seem to portray Germans and Arabs as a bigoted fanatics or as terrorists? Now you know why!

FACT: AIPAC, the Israeli lobbying organization, is the most feared lobby in Washington DC. By their own admission, they are capable of unseating Congressmen and Senators that do not carry out their requests. The majority of Congressmen from both political parties receive large donations from AIPAC. Writing for the Nation Magazine, journalist Michael Massing explains:

"AIPAC is widely regarded as the most powerful foreign-policy lobby in Washington. Its 60,000 members shower millions of dollars on hundreds of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle." Newspapers like the New York Times fear the Jewish lobby organizations as well. "It's very intimidating," said a correspondent at another large daily. "The pressure from these groups is relentless."

FACT: The Pentagon is under the control of a hard core Zionist named Richard Perle. The civilian Defense Policy Board actually wields more control over the military establishment than the Defense Secretary or the generals and admirals. There are a number of other Zionists who serve on the board (Kissinger, Cohen, Schlessinger) as well as non-jewish members who have always supported Israel and the expansion of the "War on Terror". The notoriously belligerent Perle, nicknamed the "The Prince of Darkness", is Chairman of the Board.

The pices are falling faster than I can put them together.

posted 01-06-2004 12:25 AM            

Excellent one: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter3/index.htm

In case you didn't figure it out, here's the link at Wikipedia on Numerology that I told you about above. Sorry, I was at work and was rushing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology

I also remembered another recent post of mine, from over at MOD, where I contemplated the number 5 and the Washington Monument one day. Here it goes:

In ancient Egypt, obelisks were originally associated with sun worship. The ancients looked at the sun as the giver of life - a god. Since sexual union also produces life, the phallus was used as another symbol of life. Masonry is simply a revival of this old religion. This is why their symbols are phallic in meaning and common to the Brotherhood (obelisks). There are 5 famous obelisks (outside of Egypt) in – Washington, London, Rome, Paris, and New York. You will generally find a dome-type building (which represents the female) not far from an obelisk (i.e. Washington Monument – Capital Building). The archetype for this male/female combination is a point within a circle.

The number 5 is commonly used in magic and rituals and is a prominent occult number - as in the 5-pointed star, a pentagram. Each point symbolizes one of the rites of the 5 points of fellowship. It symbolizes the ability to control the lower elements and power over the human will. This number is sacred to the Illuminati. The 5 founders of the Illuminati performed witchcraft rituals known as "The greater and lesser keys of Solomon". This involved the "Pentacle of Invocation." Note, the Rothschild family consisted of 5 sons of Moses Amschel Bauer – he changed his name to Rothschild because it means “red shield” (rotes-schild in German) and was incorporated into the family coat of arms. John D. Rockefeller also had 5 sons to control the American branch.

The greatest intensification of a number is in triplicate (111, 222, 333…). So, it is no coincidence that the Washington Monument is 555 feet tall. It is also 55 feet wide at the base. Please note an additional Masonic symbol in Washington, DC - the Pentagon – it has 5 sides.

Further symbolic afterthought regarding the number 5:
The U.S. started the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003, exactly 555 days after September 11, 2001. Also, the Iraq War began at 05:50 – Iraqi time.

posted 01-06-2004 08:25 AM            

In that book I metioned "Three books of Occult Philosophy" it is said that 2 is the first number since it is the first divisible and the first union. One stands all alone for it is all numbers.
SO with that in mind let's us the nummerology method but instead of 0-9 or 1-9 let's use 2-10.

a=2 b=3 c=4 d=5 e=6 f=7 g=8 h=9 i=10
j=2 k=3 l=4 m=5 n=6 o=7 p=8 q=9 r=10
s=2 t=3 u=4 v=5 w=6 x=7 y=8 z=9

ok, now notice where the letter W falls: 6
You will not be able to buy sell or trade without the mark of the beast? Mark on the hand and forehead? Those who are wise will calculate the mark as 666?

Watch as the government pushes us to buy sell and trade on the net. How do you use the net? HAND on mouse, FOREHEAD on screen and let's not forget the number of the beast WWW. I mean 666!

Maybe I got something. I gotta get deeper on that one. But it creeps me out to say the least.

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Further symbolic afterthought regarding the number 5:
The U.S. started the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003, exactly 555 days after September 11, 2001. Also, the Iraq War began at 05:50 – Iraqi time.

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Wow Jersey!!! I was not aware of such things! This is only more fuel for my fire! I figure that with all these obvious facts put together in an orderly fashion and presented with pictures and diagrams, then even the "sheep" cannot ignore it!
It will be easy to nail the Masonic connections but where the whole master theory gets "sticky" is pulling in communion with demons, devils, spirits and the like through ritual. Not to mention all past evidence of E.T. influence, Mars, alternate reality(s), mind control and the enslavement of the human race...
I want to make the theory that pulls them all together under one roof. A theory that is tangible and very hard to ignore. Something to jump-start the blind and really stir up the vets, know what I mean?
I think I'm very close with my pesonal notes and vast library. Not to mention the Web and seekers like you.
There is just soooo much to sort through and put into chronological order, then seperate the B.S. from things with creedence. It will be a vast project. It has become my full-time past-time.

I seek only the strong, who have grown tired of lies, misconception, threats, and a history of violence on behalf of the human race due to lack of understanding and tolerance. The light of truth will unleash blows of justice on the keepers of shadows.

posted 01-06-2004 11:31 AM            

Looks like you’re on the right track for figuring out the number scheme. Once you latch onto the right one, you’ll have your V8 moment and know without a doubt you’ve stumbled on the answer. This got me thinking about numbers a little. The number 0 is a whole and complete number (the only perfect number) because you can’t change it no matter what you do to it. You can’t add, subtract, multiply, or divide into it. This is why the circle represents All That Is = God Mind. So it would make sense NOT to include it in a Masonic connection. But I’m not too sure about number 1. In an insane reality, which is our current physical state, number 1 is representative of self and it stands alone - same as a physical body. So why wouldn’t 1 be used as the base number in the sequence – you would then use 1 – 9 no? Do you understand what I’m trying to say here? Also, when you get into double digits (beginning with 10) that would change the symbolic meaning of the next set. But then again, my mind is trained to look at things from a spiritual perspective and that logic might not be appropriate in this case. You could also say that in an insane AND negative reality, 2-10 would make sense. Oh boy, you figure it out – ha! I have no doubt you will.

posted 01-07-2004 01:55 PM            

I was just going through the Chemtrail site and came across something defender posted:

555 ft = 6660 inches !

11 - 12 - 13 - 14 Broken down and you have
2 - 3 = 4 - 5. Add them all up and break them all down!

11 + 93 + 175 + 77 = 356 = 14 = 5
11 + 12 + 13 + 14 = 50 = 5
2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 14 = 5

back to 555....

Can this stuff get any crazier?

posted 01-07-2004 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Bhang:
Can this stuff get any crazier?

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posted 01-08-2004 03:13 PM            

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So why wouldn’t 1 be used as the base number in the sequence – you would then use 1 – 9 no? Do you understand what I’m trying to say here? Also, when you get into double digits (beginning with 10) that would change the symbolic meaning of the next set.

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Well, according to Agrippa the number 1 is the supreme monad and unlike 0, can be used in any number dreamed of. Since 2 is the FIRST union of numbers, FIRST divisible of numbers and FIRST multiple, he claims it as the FIRST number. Most of Agrippa's sources are the greats such as Plato, Aristotle, etc.
As far as ten... Agrippa says that the numbers 1 - 15 all have UNIQUE virtues and he decribes them all in great detail. After 15, numbers take on the virtues of multiple numbers. ei. virtue of 10 combined with virtue of 6 composes the virtues of 16....

Anyways -

Back to 9/11.

You ever notice on the morn' of 9/11 that the President was "reading" to the children?

He must have been nervous knowing that thousands of people were about to be sacraficed to "the Gods".

Do you know what the story he read was about?

A goat.

I noticed that the whole backdrop of the scene was rather Patriotic, don't you think?

Maybe too Patriotic.

Consider how Patriot Act 2 came along right after 9/11. Notice the Constitution behind ol' Bush? And the Statue of Liberty.... or is it the godess Isis? And the damn book even say America. When is enough enough?

It makes me ill to think it was all planned to paint a "pretty" picture of patriotism for the sheeple just to take it away.

Like they flaunt their pride and have no shame in their evil works.

damn the man.

posted 01-10-2004 08:14 AM            

Bush Lied to the American People about 9/11 Terrorists' Motives
Bush's lie hides from many Americans the fact that we were attacked by Al-Qaeda because of specific foreign polices and not because we are the"brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity"

We don't deserve to be lied to. What Bush lied about was WHY WE WERE TARGETED. The day after the worst terrorist attack in American history, President Bush addressed the nation. Those looking for an explanation for why the terrorists attacked America got only a lie. Bush claimed, "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." But the truth was revealed in the FBI’s statement to Congress and bin Laden’s own words: Opposition to U.S. military forces in the Persian gulf area, most notably Saudi Arabia, U.S. support of corrupt Middle Eastern countries, U.S. support for Israel’s brutal occupation and the ongoing assault on civilians in Iraq.

The FBI testified clearly that Al-Qeada had specific goals. "One of the primary goals of Sunni extremists is the removal of U.S. military forces from the Persian gulf area, most notably Saudi Arabia." - The Terrorist Threat Confronting the United States The FBI made it clear that the terrorism was done "in order to overthrow all governments[in Muslim lands, check what Osama and Richard Reid have actually said] which are not ruled by Sharia (conservative Islamic) law." That is what the FBI has said the motives are.

Here is what a terrorism expert says: In fact, says terrorism expert Richard E. Rubenstein, Bin Laden has made clear in previous remarks that he is seeking to force a U.S. withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula. He also hopes to destabilize pro-Western regimes in the Middle East and possibly provoke a U.S. military response that will further anger and alienate the Muslim world. "It's actually quite clear what he wants," Richard E. Rubenstein says. "What makes him different is not what he wants, but the way he proposes to get it."

Now here is what Osama bin Laden has said:"The Western regimes and the government of the US bear the blame for what might happen. If their people do not wish to be harmed inside their very own countries, they should seek to elect governments that are truly representative of them and that can protect their interests."-bin Laden, May 1998. "We swore that America wouldn't live in security until we live it truly in Palestine. This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula, and until it stops its support of Israel." -bin Laden, Oct. 2001 Here is what the shoe bomber (Richard Reid) has said:"The reason for me sending you (a document he calls his "will") is so you can see that I didn't do this act out of ignorance nor did I just do it because I want to die, but rather because I see it as a duty upon me to help remove the oppressive American forces from the Muslim land and that this is the only way for us to do so as we do not have other means to fight them." Now what did the President say? He told us a lie that we are being targeted because we are the "brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity in the world".

The lie is about why we were targeted, not about if we are "the brightest beacon." Yes, we are the "the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world" but the point is President Bush is lying when he uses that as the reason for why we were attacked. The truth is we were targeted for attack because of specific foreign policies which are objected to by Al-Qaeda.

Bush deceives Americans about the terrorists motives to shield U.S. foreign policies from public scrutiny, his first concern is the special interests he serves. He does not respect our right to the truth and the media is just as bad.

The cover story that Bush feeds the American people robs the American people of the chance to decide for themselves if they want to continue to be put in harm's way over specific foreign polices.

Not one mainstream media reporter pointed out that Bush lied, the media for the most part played along with the official lie. [After two years the chance to hear the truth has improved, David Corn has a new book that identifies this particular lie of President Bush.] Who, what, where, when and why are standard press questions but when it came to 9/11 most of the media avoided the why. The media has provided a very poor public forum for anyone wanting to understand why America was targeted. CNN’s Paula Zahn even questioned the very idea that a person could understand why America was targeted. Paula Zahn: “Professor, let me jump in here, but implicit in that -- aren't you saying that you understand why America was targeted?”
Noam Chomsky: “Do I understand? Yes, so does the U.S. intelligence services, so does all of scholarship. I mean, we can ignore it if we like, and therefore lead to further terrorist attacks, or we can try to understand.”

Graham E. Fulller, former CIA, warned in 1998, “It is dangerous to divorce terrorism from politics, yet the U.S. media continue to talk about an abstract war against terrorism without mention of the issues or context that lie behind them.

President Bush cares more about the special interests he serves than the American people. President Bush obviously lies to the American people for an ugly reason. He lies to cover the real motives because the powerful people who push the agendas he serves don't want U.S. foreign policy to change. The cover story that Bush feeds the American people robs the American people of the chance to decide for themselves if they want to continue to be put in harm's way over specific foreign polices. If the American people knew why they were attacked, the American people might rightly question if the actions of U.S. foreign policy actually serve their own needs. We may question why we are being put in this situation. We may question why we are being put in harm's way and for exactly what reasons. We may decide that the policies are not serving the real American interests: the interests of the average American.

The Press that has played along with the agendas of powerful groups by not pointing out that the President has lied to the American people. Both the President and the Press rob the American people of the chance to decide if they want to continue to risk their lives for policies that are basically unjust and benefit corrupt business interests including the Israeli agenda.

Bush told the American Public a lie: "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world."

The FBI stated the real primary reason why America was targeted: U.S. military forces in the Persian gulf area and U.S. backing of corrupt Middle East governments.

Osama bin Laden has himself stated the two primary motives above and these two other motives: U.S. support for Israel which has violated the human rights of millions of people and the sanctions against Iraq which has killed over a million people.

When President Bush lies to us about why we were attacked, he serves special interests instead of the American people. We don't owe him or these special interests a damn thing. We don't "have to" continue these policies, polices that they didn't want us to know about.

Here is what David Corn wrote about Bush's September 11 lie in the Nation: [with my comments]

"As many Americans and others yearned to make sense of the evil attacks of September 11, Bush elected to share with the public a deceptively simplistic explanation of this catastrophe.[ Bush's deception serves the interests of special interests that push the specific foreign polices we are getting targeted over] Repeatedly, he said that the United States had been struck because of its love of freedom. "America was targeted for attack," he maintained, "because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." This was shallow analysis, a comic-book interpretation of the event that covered up complexities and denied Americans information crucial for developing a full understanding of the attacks.[ I agree. I think it should be pointed at that this crucial information is being denied intentionally so that the American people don't question the specific foreign policies] In the view Bush furnished, Osama bin Laden was a would-be conqueror of the world, a man motivated solely by irrational evil, who killed for the purpose of destroying freedom. [Because of the lies, many Americans have this distorted view of what bin Laden and Al-Qaeda actually want and what they don't want]

But as the State Department's own terrorism experts--as well as nongovernment experts--noted, bin Laden was motivated by a specific geostrategic and theological aim: to chase the United States out of the Middle East in order to ease the way for a fundamentalist takeover of the region. Peter Bergen, a former CNN producer and the first journalist to arrange a television interview with bin Laden, observes in his book Holy War, Inc., "What [bin Laden] condemns the United States for is simple: its policies in the Middle East." [In his book he includes: Those are, to recap briefly: the continued U.S. military presence in Arabia; U.S. support for Israel; its continued bombing of Iraq; and its support for regimes such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia that bin Laden regards as apostates from Islam] Rather than acknowledge the realities of bin Laden's war on America, Bush attempted to create and perpetuate a war-on-freedom myth."

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Here is a letter I wrote someone who didn't understand Chomsky's 9/11 book (or didn't want to understand it):

Dear Mr. Lockard:

In your review of Noam Chomsky's 9/11 you wrote, "They did so for their own reasons, apparently religio-cultural xenophobia, and certainly not out of compassion for the struggles of other peoples for self-determination. "
If you had taken the time you could have found out what the motives actually were. The terrorism we face is a matter of life and death and it is a necessity to do the research into why these things are happening.

The FBI testified as to motive before the Senate. As any criminal investigator they looked at what bin Laden has actually said. What is provoking the terrorism is not complicated and bin Laden has explained it many times for several years: Opposition to U.S. military forces in the Persian gulf area, most notably Saudi Arabia, U.S. support of corrupt Middle Eastern countries, U.S. support for Israel’s brutal occupation and the ongoing assault on civilians in Iraq.

Your assertion about what they "certainly" didn't attack us because of compassion for the struggles of other peoples for self-determination is unnecessary demonization. The fact is horrible wrongs are being carried by U.S. foreign polices and it is arrogant to think it is not possible that people could be reacting to this fact. When you wrong peoples you can't expect to dictate how some will respond, even if their response is wrong. Yes bin Laden wants a certain form of Islamic rule but he uses a broad appeal to very real and very legitimate grievances and in so doing gains support from even those that may not want exactly the version of government he seeks to establish in the Muslim world.

Nat Turner convinced several other blacks to engage in terrorism, killing dozens of whites. It would be dishonest not to admit the role slavery had in motivating these blacks to do what they did. It was an example of two wrongs. But it is important to keep in mind that to claim that these blacks did it because they were religious freaks is dishonest. It would be manipulative to claim that all these blacks believed in Nat Turners "signs from God" and that a religious and "anti-white" motive was all there was to it. Today I think we can see clearly that the wrongs of slavery were the motivating reasons for Nat Turner and his fellow terrorist's terrorism. And we can see that it is possible for two wrongs to take place.

Every time I read an article that doesn't acknowledge that President Bush had the audacity to lie to America about why we were attacked, I am reminded just how extreme the political environment is in America today.

The bottom line is Bush lied to America about why we were attacked. http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html (you will find a link to the FBI's testimony there) The corrupt polices (a case of two