posted 01-05-2004 10:23 PM            

Every day it intrudes more and more into my life.

I just read today about how Bush continues to use his War of Terror to continue to destroy any little privacy there is left with his latest figerpinting attempt and biometric ID assualt. The Fed will never get enough POWER and CONTROL. Inch by inch, foot by foot, mile by mile, Americans are being set up to be monitered 24/7. Are you ready for the MARK?

Think I'm kidding? Think it's only 'foreigners' that are going to be monitered? So did the Germans. A National ID card? Fingerprints? Biometrics? Digital Angel (or whatever they call it now, the Happy Chip?). Where does it end? As far as I can tell it seems to have NO end. This administration seems to feel it can get anything it wants now simply by shouting TERRORIST. It is trying desperately to blur any distinction between what a so called "terrorist" is, and what simply are AMERICANS exercising their God given right to follow their conscience.

So maybe one day it will come down to it. After the InterNational ID card becomes obsolete. Are you ready to be 'chipped'?

SmT

posted 01-06-2004 03:49 PM            

In fact, ten years or more ago, we started talking to our sons about the possiblity of being "chipped" in the future!

I won't succumb! The only way NOT to succumb is to be set up in a community, away from cities, and fairly self sufficient. The cash will gradually fall away and then barter would be the system used in these self-contained communities with networks to other similar commnities. No banks, no 7-lls, no McDonald's, just various communities dotting the countryside where networking and bartering will be the new way of life. No chips! No credit cards! And off-the-grid energy systems! Growing one's own food and trading with those who do offer various skills and talents within the community and with other communities might be the way of those who refuse to be part of the surveillance society. The net could still be used and the postal system might even offer alternative transportation companies as well. I would think alternative shipping and more local systems will be devised as well. Home schooling would be the norm!

If we can't stop the beast, at least we can opt out of being part of it!

My sons have stated they will never allow chips and would sooner live away from this kind of culture than be part of it. One is planning to move to Australia.

If Bush wins the election, many have predicted a mass migration out of America! Dual citizenship and living in other countries will become more common!

I hope it doesn't come to this! But if it does, we should be prepared to transition into another less easy, yet more independent lifestyle and/or move out of the country!

Peace and Freedom!

bc

posted 01-06-2004 08:55 PM            

So the replies mostly fall into the camps of separatism and survival. I agree, those are definately important considerations. While I'm not ready YET to head any further out into the "country" and live like Thoreau, I realize at some point I may have to simply "opt out", and forgo the "luxuries. There may come a time when the costs outweigh the benefits. Some days it seems like that point has already been reached.

My families lifestyle now is as detached from The Machine as is practical at the moment. We have 3 TV CHANNELS none of which I watch, and the familiy very rarely watches either (but they all read alot). I do alot of net research and I rely on a few radio programs like Democracy Now to stay posted of events I consider important. While some would immediately think ahah! a "leftist" news show, (I would agree many topics from there would be considered 'leftist') but there is NOWHERE else I have ever heard that seems to have the honest integrity as Goodman IMO, and the war coverage (that I listen for) and international guests and politicians is SUPERB. I also read Rense, Drudge, Indymedia, and a few others, as well as regional and local papers among other sources.

I don't go into "town" much when not working, as there is little there that interests me. But whenever I do I see there have usually been added even more Orwellian cameras looking down from the intersections. While they are "alledgedly" not being used to monitor citizens full time (according to MODOT), I have learned (as I long suspected) there is at least one bill pending in the Missouri legislature that seeks to make them so ,as I understand it. While many might ask what difference it makes if one is not "committing a crime" I would remind them a short read on COINTELPRO can be very enlightening. And it's just the tip of a very large iceberg. And to those that somehow don't realize YET the threat to Freedom and Privacy being waged by this current Administration I just add, wait till Hillary's your President.
That scares me.

Yes, The Bankers/ Fed want to eliminate cash so as to add more control over the lives of Americans as well as of course increasing profit. I have found myself paying cash more and more and writing less and less checks. I don't use credit cards much at all any more' only when it is really "necessary". I am currently working to implement this simplification of my life as quickly as I can.

No, I have no use for "The Mark" and I may even give up my drivers liscence if Missouri does go to trying to fingerprint citizens like criminals on these liscenses, just on principle. I really am tired of this constant, constant expansion of Big Brother and being considered "guilty until proven innocent". Perhaps, I'll buy a horse and start riding it around for transportation. I even have a special sidearm and holster for the occasion. Still legal here in Mid-Missouri, thank God.

Later
SmT

posted 01-06-2004 09:31 PM            

I have told the family I am going to buy a very large Mexican sombrero (the kids are a little disturbed by the idea) and start wearing it through the drive thrus (ALL with cameras). Perhaps with my matching Groucho Marx glasses, fake nose, and mustache, The Machine will simply mistake me for an alien. (Wait till the kids find out I'm serious).........

posted 01-06-2004 11:22 PM            

No, that would probably be a bit to obvious and might get me shot, with some of these inexperienced guys on the force. However, I've been thinking if I can't create the Groucho look perhaps I could find a nice full facial James Brown mask (though I'm pretty caucasian). I doubt anyone here in town would notice.

I do think this idea is worth pursuing though, especially in areas like Florida where the Robos beat up and shot rubber bullets at the peaceful family protestors, exercising their 1st Am. and GOD given right of redress of grievances. Seriously, protestors need to go back on the offensive all carrying cameras (fed back to a secure storage media center), and making themselves unidentifiable however they can. It appeared the Robos were using this tactic so they could beat innocent people up and not be held accountable. Amazing, the 8 million or so dollars came out of money supposed to be used to fighting TERRORISM not to fighting AMERICANS exercising their right of protest. I would very much love to see an army of a million or so Grouchos marching in lock step down main street America with their signs and songs and banners.

It is so amazing to me those who want to stop the senseless killing of innocents by the Profiteers, become targeted by those who are deceived into running interferance for them. A real slight of hand. Even the very elect will be deceived. Oh Isreal, forever stoning the prophets.

posted 01-07-2004 12:25 AM            

"A bad tree cannot produce good fruit...so by their fruits you will know them."

ESU SANANDA (Jesus)

Remember the 5 B's

posted 01-07-2004 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Mech:
Anyone here know what the 5 B's are?

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posted 01-07-2004 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by HatchetML:
whats the purpose of trying to instill fear among these readers...

if it come down to being forced to accept such a "chip" then you could remove it if you chose to, simple as that.

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Don't you know, nothing is EVER as simple as that. What if we were implanted with biological chips that caused serious or harmful effects once removed. What would you do then – still take it out? What if without a chip you had no rights to go anywhere, do anything, purchase gas, go shopping, etc. Does that sound simple too? I’d never get a chip regardless of the consequences, but MANY people would succumb to the implants. God forbid their lives are inconvenienced.

posted 01-07-2004 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by HatchetML:
ole wise one.

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Hey thanks! I appreciate your kindness!

posted 01-07-2004 03:03 PM            

Or

Read up bub. There is sooo much crap going on right now it WOULD scare the piss out of you if you knew it to be true.

You have 1 of 3 options -
Ignore it (ignorance).
Accept it (slave)
Fight it (terrorist - depending who's side you're looking from)

peace out.

posted 01-07-2004 03:42 PM            

People on this site don't fear the TECHNOLOGY.

It is the people that have been selected, hood-winked, and fabricated into power, that everyone fears or laughs at, as the case may be.

I know folks who think a computer is evil because they think it conditions one's mind. In the same sense, they believe TV is evil.

These are just dumb technologies that are one of two things:

1) Control - Surveillance, destruction, mindlessness, hate, fear, power

2) Freedomn - Creativity, longevity, space travel, intelligence increase, love

posted 01-07-2004 07:52 PM            

but I'm not sure the main point was taken by all.

The idea is not to fear technology nor change, but as technology continues to RADICALLY change human existance and there is a kind of exponential growth, choices will have to made in what direction and how far invasive this technology will be allowed.

As far a being "chipped" yes it's not a "fear" per se, it is a real technology and it is being used. It is being tried out in Mexico on an attempted large scale, it is being experimented with in "prisoners", and of course one of the first steps was to get the public conditioned by using it in pets. One can't even get a pet here from the Humane Society now without it being "chipped". There was recently a Florida family in the mainsteam news (infomercial) that had their kids "eagerly" awaiting to be "chipped" because they thought that would be "cool" and made them kinda "half machine, like a Gobot" if I remember the exact phrase. No, the Mark IS coming in fact it is already here. Plug in "digital angel" or perhaps now "verichip" and see what's on their own websites. I think one of these companies is even listed now on the stock exchange.

But, of course the "chip" is simply one cog in The Machine with a much much larger agenda of 100 percent "engineering" and control. Everything from geoengineering our very sky to bioengineering our very selves. Big Brother is growing up. How far it is allowed to go will ultimately be up to The People.

posted 01-08-2004 05:55 AM            

To me it proved my beliefs.

So many of us didn't use it that the credit card company recalled teh chip-in-card dards and issued old style cards instead.

To me,
The willing minion of the beast is in the White House right now,
but I actually believe that Sun Yung Moon is the biblical antichrist.

Rev Moon has already proclaimed himself as the messiah.
That Moon has purchased control of the rightwing evangelicals is a fait accompli

He claims on his website he was instrumental in puttingReagan in the WhiteHouse and Bush the first has given speeches at Moonie events.

posted 01-08-2004 09:17 PM            

I saw on the website I linked that "APS is offering $50 off the first 100,000 registrants at the time of their first "chipping" procedure".

The company though states also plainly and I must admit quite eloquently their intentions:

"The idea is that a consumer is simply a number,this makes it easier for us to spend our money from place to place without too much hindrance by real human functions, and even less of an effort for those taking our hard earned cash."

Well,one has to admire their candor. While I can see a few obvious "advantages", the (first) website says nothing about one of the main intended uses of the chip which is to be able to CONSTANTLY monitor citizens 24/7 by use of sophisticated GPS technology.
I'm not really sure that type of thing is compatible with an open Democratic type society. It sounds much more like what one would find in a totalitarian society like the one Orwell described. I wonder too what happens when robbers can't rip off your wallet. Do they instead cut out your chip???

SmT

posted 01-08-2004 10:53 PM            

but I actually believe that Sun Yung Moon is the biblical antichrist

posted 01-08-2004 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Show-Me Truth:
I wonder too what happens when robbers can't rip off your wallet. Do they instead cut out your chip???

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OMG!!! LOL!

posted 01-08-2004 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by the professor:
Where exactly this verse is escapes me for the moment but I know it's in the old testament I'm thinking in Isiah mentions how the antichrist will not desire woman. Moon is married and is one of many who claim to be the Christ. I've always questioned wether it meant that the antichrist is gay or being the antichrist will basically be a spirit form which has no desire for sex, I wonder if he is waiting in the wings today.

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In my opinion, could be a few other possibilties:

1) If Hillary Clinton is actually heterosexual (Who knows?), and doesn't desire woman. No wonder old time Conservatives are scared of "Lefties".

2) Moon could be using wife as a front, to throw us off. Moon's Old Weather Vane may be Pointing South by now, and have no desire for woman.

3) Bush, maybe, if the drug use affected sexual functions.

4) After that, the left and the right must have their share. I'm not aware of who.

5) Being gay could a possibility, though I wouldn't think that alone is a criteria.

Prof, who else do you know is claiming to be Christ, that could effect politics, economics, or both?