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oakie69
(rebel)
01/11/04 11:58 PM
PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ Post 1192051 ]


Category: News & Opinion Topic: Government
Synopsis: President’s Shocking Taunt Caught On Video
Source: moderateindependent
Published: January 9, 2004 Author: ABC
For Education and Discussion Only. Not for Commercial Use.


PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED

President’s Shocking Taunt Caught On Video


JANUARY 9, 2004 – The date was December 16, 2003. Saddam Hussein had just been captured. President Bush was feeling his oats, invincible at the moment, redeemed and propelled by the recent events.

It was in this context that he stepped up, more boldly and brashly than ever, and let down his guard to show his true feelings. And what resulted was one of the brashest, most horrendous commentaries ever made by a US President, and the whole incident was caught on tape by ABC News.

It was during an interview with Diane Sawyer. She opened an exchange with the President regarding his WMD claims and the lack of evidence that has turned up to back them up so far.

DIANE SAWYER: Fifty percent of the American people have said that they think the administration exaggerated the evidence going into the war with Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, connection to terrorism. Are the American people wrong? Misguided?

The President hemmed and hawed a bit, trying to avoid answering, but Diane pressed the issue.

DIANE SAWYER: …When you take a look back, Vice President Cheney said there is no doubt, Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, not programs, not intent. There is no doubt he has weapons of mass destruction. Secretary Powell said 100 to 500 tons of chemical weapons and now the inspectors say that there's no evidence of these weapons existing right now. The yellow cake in Niger, in Niger. George Tenet has said that shouldn't have been in your speech. Secretary Powell talked about mobile labs. Again, the intelligence — the inspectors have said they can't confirm this, they can't corroborate.

Once again the President, I guess used to being on FOX News and getting only interviews by people who don’t demand actual answers, hemmed and hawed and tried to avoid answering. Diane asked again:

DIANE SAWYER: Again, I'm just trying to ask, these are supporters, people who believed in the war who have asked the question.

The President made one more feeble attempt to avoid answering, giving just another of his Rush Limbaugh like non-answers that work on talk-radio and with Bush/Limbaughians, but not in the real world. But at last, when Diane pressed him one more time, he let down his guard, lost his temper, and let out his true feelings with a horrific admission.

DIANE SAWYER: (You) stated as a hard fact, that there were weapons of mass destruction as opposed to the possibility that he could move to acquire those weapons still —

PRESIDENT BUSH: So what's the difference?

“So what’s the difference?” if he lied, said our President plainly. “So what’s the difference?” if hundreds of our sons and daughters are dead and still dying, if we killed thousands of Iraqis, if the American taxpayers have spent over $100 billion dollars, sending the nation even further into massive debts. “So?” “So what’s the difference,” if it was all just a trick and a bunch of lies on his part?

Diane, as you could expect, was flabbergasted, and could only get out:

DIANE SAWYER: Well —

The President had become the arrogant gangster boss who just told the chief of police, “Yeah, so what if I’m running a drug cartel – what are you going to do about it?” In reality, what could Diane do – she had done all she needed to, capturing the President’s confession on video tape.

The President, emboldened by Diane’s momentary stunned stammering, cockily set back into trying to feed Rush Limbaugh lines, as if nothing had just happened. That is the typical follow-up of any abusive addict or criminal type. They say something so heinous, challenging you to do something about it, and then act is everything is still just normal and go on again as if you have no reason to be startled or take action.

“Yeah, so what if I’m lying?” the belligerent, wife-beating husband tells his wife. And then, figuring she will not have the courage to respond or take action, he acts as if what he said was no big deal and goes on like everything is normal and he never said what he said.

In this manner, the President fed Ms. Sawyer another Limbaugh line, but Diane was tough as nails and refused to back down

DIANE SAWYER: But, but, again, some, some…

Notice how she had to fight just to speak. But she continued…

DIANE SAWYER: But, but, again, some, some of the critics have said this, combined with the failure to establish proof of, of elaborate terrorism contacts, has indicated that there's just not precision, at best, and misleading, at worst.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah. Look — what — what we based our evidence on was a very sound…

He must have felt he was back in his old partying days with people who would let him get away with saying obvious lies weren’t lies. Diane didn’t.

DIANE SAWYER: Nothing should have been more precise?

PRESIDENT BUSH: What — I, I — I…

Now the President was stammering. He was beginning to realize he had just been caught on tape with a horrible confession.

PRESIDENT BUSH: What — I, I — I made my decision based upon enough intelligence… Saddam Hussein was a threat...

Desperate and pathetic. He used “enough intelligence.” “Saddam was a threat.” Like the belligerent teenager caught with a bag of dope, he tries to shift focus to any unrelated thing he can. Mom has to drag him back to the actual question, not does his friend Bobby smoke dope, not about if his grades in school are good or not, but is he using drugs and stealing money.

In this case, the question wasn’t if Saddam was a nice person who his father should have been friends with or not, and the question wasn’t if he had ever read any intelligence reports. The question was, “You just looked America in the eye and said, “So what’s the difference,” if all your claims which you used to get us to agree to the war were based on lies. You and your administration said clearly and repeatedly that Saddam had lots of weapons of mass destruction right now and was an immediate danger to American because of this, and this was why we had to go to war now.

DIANE SAWYER: …If he doesn't have weapons of mass destruction? [inaudible] —

Finally, President Bush decided to, even though on video, just tell yet another flat out lie. In desperation, he said:

PRESIDENT BUSH: I made the right decision for America because Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction (in 1986, using helicopters my father gave him with US taxpayer money, and not once since then), invaded Kuwait (over a decade ago and has since withdrawn and never invaded anyone else)…

Yes, this is the lie the President now tells over and over and over, completely without conscience. “So what if everyone is fighting and dying because of my lies? Even more, so what if they keep dying because I’m still lying now? I lied and will continue to lie all I want, and “So what” who dies or what it destroys or costs the nation.”

Now you have yet more clear evidence as to why no good American can support President Bush. Everyone knows his State of the Union speech and dozens of other speeches by him and his administration did not say, “We must go to war because in 1988, when my father still sent taxpayer money to Saddam and called him an ally, Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people – and has never ever used them since, or because Saddam invaded Kuwait over a decade ago and has since withdrawn and never invaded anyone else.” Everyone knows he said Saddam was a threat now, had lots of WMDs now – the President knows this. And yet he, completely without conscience, not even changed or affected by the fact that so many people are directly dying because of his lies, continues to add lie upon lie upon lie.

His brainwashed supporters will say, “He didn’t lie,” even as they see it here in quotes again, “I made the right decision for America because Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction (in 1988 on his own people using helicopters my dad gave him,) invaded Kuwait (over a decade ago, and has long-since withdrawn for there)…”

This is why any true patriot despises this man and knows the most important lying tyrant America must deal with is President Bush. And yes, we put in the information in the parenthesis in that last quote above because, unlike the rest of the media, we refuse to allow people to use our space to air their lies. No one ever should let the President tell the lies he does without inserting correcting information and pointing out clearly that he is lying. The rest of the media may fall prey to this game that has been the backbone of the Bush/Limbaugh rise to power – the, “You have to air our lies or you are partisan,” game – but not us here at The Moderate Independent.

You Bush/Limbaughians don’t like it? "So, what’s the difference?"

The most shocking thing about all this, of course, is that this hasn’t been top news all over the press. Honestly, they were so busy kissing the President’s butt at that point because Saddam had just been caught that they, once again, gave him a free pass. I guess that’s why M/I now exists, to air actual news and not just right-wing, Bush/Limbaughian PR about fake Latino initiatives and space programs.

Don't be surprised if this video footage ends up in a campaign ad for one of Bush's rivals.

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REFERENCE:

ABC NEWS Prime Time Live Interview, December 16, 2003.


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oakie69
(rebel)
01/11/04 11:59 PM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192053, reply to 1192051 ] (Score: 1)


Flag to: PersistentVision, LibertysLegacy, loner, NewsWatcher, ratcat, bluegrass, shez, MindFunk, BlondGermanNight, PeteAtomic, Mariner, texoma, The_Skunk, Eir, Kudzu, D_Joyce, ansar, MarcusAurelius


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Oak: enter the US prison of America, you will be fingerprinted, visited, photographed, sniffed, scanned, stripped and humiliated.


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Axle
(freedom fighter)
01/12/04 12:02 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192062, reply to 1192053 ] (Score: 2)


My good friend just got back from Iraq with a few memories in his body. I'll find out the skinny later and may post it.


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NewsWatcher
(well of great wisdom)
01/12/04 12:07 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192067, reply to 1192051 ] (Score: 0)


Flag to: oakie69, amalgamy, alphaville81, adac, antiwar, blackveil, constitutionist, a_bert, catamount, cyte, eir, fletch, graybeard, free_zundel_now, hounddawg, judson, laconas, larouchein2004, mr_mjs_2u2, persistentvision


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shez
(rebel)
01/12/04 12:13 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192073, reply to 1192051 ] (Score: 2)


This is real heavy news, it should be plastered across the screens, infact all the thousands of dead and wounded American soldiers families should be storming the whitehouse, there is thousands dead so much destruction a whole Country brought to ruins, the misery the suffering, the whole horribleness fo what war brings. impeachment should be screamed all over the news, the president has more or less said so what who gives a fuck.

The left should be out fighting on interviews. But sadly as we are so yuse to the silence...This is totaly amazing the amount of power that this admin holds, and it surely must have some powerfull influence to silence the politicians everywere, every side every house is silenced. The media so on ...I honestly believed the media and politicians was coming around i guess i must be wrong...

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The most shocking thing about all this, of course, is that this hasn’t been top news all over the press. Honestly, they were so busy kissing the President’s butt at that point because Saddam had just been caught that they, once again, gave him a free pass
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Sad and true...


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Axle
(freedom fighter)
01/12/04 12:23 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: shez | Post 1192084, reply to 1192073 ] (Score: 2)


LMAO, this is "heavy news." Gimme a break. Wow, it's almost trippy, man.


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henrykissinger
(nonconformist)
01/12/04 12:24 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192088, reply to 1192051 ] (Score: 1)


Flag to: oakie69, shez, axle

Actually you can broadcast this sort of thing till hell freezes over and the goyim/sheepie won't do anything.

You simply can't understand how dense and stupid your common sheepie/goyim is. They will believe every lie we the chosen concoct and then they will ignore every retraction.

Daily I thank G_d that he made me a Chosen rather than one of you moron sheepie/goyim.


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Axle
(freedom fighter)
01/12/04 12:26 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: henrykissinger | Post 1192090, reply to 1192088 ] (Score: 2)


That sums it up. But, member, some of the goyim ain't too dumb. I pray for my country every night.


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oakie69
(rebel)
01/12/04 12:32 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: shez | Post 1192096, reply to 1192073 ] (Score: 2, Insightful)


Flag to: PersistentVision, LibertysLegacy, loner, NewsWatcher, ratcat, bluegrass, shez, MindFunk, BlondGermanNight, PeteAtomic, Mariner, texoma, The_Skunk, Eir, Kudzu, D_Joyce, ansar, MarcusAurelius


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The media so on ...I honestly believed the media and politicians was coming around i guess i must be wrong...
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The interview was december 16th 2003, they can still be coming around...

This interview shows again what a sociopath the man is. After he said it he recognised the horror at the interviewers face and understood he said something terrible. In his own mind it would never occur to him that he is talking about humans being killed, families destroyed, countries bombed to the stoneage, future generations sick with radiation. The guy looks at a map and sees territory he needs to get a hold of. Like a boardgame. He simply doesn't think about humans and pain and death and destruction.

And then we have the calculating motherfuckers in the background, the PNAC and zionists. They know exactly what they are doing and they don't care. They also have a good chance on getting another job with a new president or they will be replaced with people from the same school. When the shit hits the fan we should make sure to clean the Whitehouse down to the smallest townhouse in Buttfuck Idaho. They are everywhere, waiting to make that next little step up the corporate amerika ladder.


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Oak: enter the US prison of America, you will be fingerprinted, visited, photographed, sniffed, scanned, stripped and humiliated.


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oakie69
(rebel)
01/12/04 12:33 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: henrykissinger | Post 1192098, reply to 1192088 ] (Score: 1)


troll


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Oak: enter the US prison of America, you will be fingerprinted, visited, photographed, sniffed, scanned, stripped and humiliated.


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shez
(rebel)
01/12/04 12:52 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: Axle | Post 1192113, reply to 1192084 ] (Score: 1, Profanity)

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LMAO, this is "heavy news." Gimme a break. Wow, it's almost trippy, man.
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Not sure what arse holes like you call something important, like the attitude of the prick of a shit leader has said...But in the UK we say Heavy to express something serious, now you obviously believe that the way Bush has spoke and treated this whole war as a fun well others take life more serious, you don't give a fuck about 500 dead US young soldiers or the 10,000 wounded thats cool each to his own sick ways,or the thousands of dead Iraqis.

To me and many others Bushes Attitude is heavy.

I have met wankers like you who post to try and make fun of others in what they say, poke away a little here a little there wanting them to bite..You are an arse hole infact you are a fucken idiot.

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Wow, it's almost trippy, man.
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BWHAAHHAHAAA you fucken dick head i bet you have never even experianced a trip..You TRY and come across as some cool dude a drinker a pot smoker a bit of a drug user a cool guy, infact i know you are probably a spotty little kid who has a pull under his spiderman bed clothes while you stare at a picture of barbie from one of your sisters comics...And i am curious i may have to ask John Deere to confirm this but did you get a note of your mummy to show John you had permission to come on here?

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http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html flash about florida votes [excellent] http://www.atmo.se/zino.aspx?pageID=12&documentID=131 wait 10 secs for bush
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shez
(rebel)
01/12/04 12:55 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: Axle | Post 1192117, reply to 1192090 ] (Score: 2)

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I pray for my country every night.
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Wow, it's almost trippy, man. What a prick you are.


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Axle
(freedom fighter)
01/12/04 01:00 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: shez | Post 1192125, reply to 1192117 ] (Score: 2)


Bush's attitude is so "heavy" you are 'revealing' crap from 2-3 years ago. I'm so glad you are here to show me the light. What would I do without you?

I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass....and I'm all outta bubblegum.


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I kill a Communist for fun, but for a greencard, I'm gonna carve'm up real nice.
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Axle
(freedom fighter)
01/12/04 01:03 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: shez | Post 1192130, reply to 1192117 ] (Score: 2)


What's the magic word?


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shez
(rebel)
01/12/04 01:23 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: Axle | Post 1192147, reply to 1192130 ] (Score: 2)


BWHAHHAHAAHAHA seriously you need to take 5 and call a doctor...


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Axle
(freedom fighter)
01/12/04 01:27 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: shez | Post 1192155, reply to 1192147 ] (Score: 2)


What's the magic word, that's an international 'easy one'?


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shez
(rebel)
01/12/04 01:32 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: Axle | Post 1192159, reply to 1192155 ] (Score: 2)


Abracadabra, so can i choose the prize myself?


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Oceanna
(truth-seeker)
01/12/04 02:29 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192193, reply to 1192051 ] (Score: 1)


Oakie, this is really shocking. I wish I'd seen the program, and I don't understand why I never caught word of this earlier. It's amazing what people will overlook. I'm really glad I saw your post.

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Axle
(freedom fighter)
01/12/04 02:53 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: shez | Post 1192196, reply to 1192159 ] (Score: 2)


Wrong answer. Starts with an 'O'


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shez
(rebel)
01/12/04 03:05 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: Axle | Post 1192200, reply to 1192196 ] (Score: 2)


I am gonna have to sleep on this one ...it is a challenge now to answer it..


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medusa
(rebel)
01/12/04 05:35 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192319, reply to 1192051 ] (Score: 2)


Flag to: SonOfLiberty, TradCatholic, A_Bert, texoma, Zviadist, mingus64, BlondGermanNight, thoughtcriminal, Polichinello, loner


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We are what we repeatedly do.

Aristotle

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BlondGermanNight
(agent provocateur)
01/12/04 06:17 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: Axle | Post 1192376, reply to 1192125 ] (Score: 2)


Flag to: Axle, shez, oakie69

Bush's attitude is so "heavy" you are 'revealing' crap from 2-3 years ago_________

Hey Axle, it's not 2-3 years old, this interview was done on Dec 16, 2003.

I find this disturbing and I wish I had seen it.

I wonder if any FReakers saw it?


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Principiis obsta.............Finem respice
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SonOfLiberty
(Son of Liberty)
01/12/04 06:23 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LI [ To: medusa | Post 1192383, reply to 1192319 ] (Score: 2)


Yikes!

"They" shouldn't let this dope speak in one to one interviews. Strike that, they should, but if "they" had a lick of sense they'd make sure he never did. Thankfully he's so stupid that he fuels the fires in ways a clever, and silent, President never could.

Ok, I'm scraping here, looking for the silver lining. This is a sad, scary article.


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Can I interest you folks in some of Haney's Miracle Tonic today?
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medusa
(rebel)
01/12/04 06:37 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LI [ To: SonOfLiberty | Post 1192404, reply to 1192383 ] (Score: 2)


I love it. Just more confirmation that we have a let-them-eat-cake president.


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We are what we repeatedly do.

Aristotle

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Earth_AD
(revolutionary)
01/12/04 06:53 AM
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH: “SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE” IF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED [ To: oakie69 | Post 1192425, reply to 1192051 ] (Score: 2)


Flag to: JRadcliffe

The bastard lets his true colors seep through (and yet no one seems to notice).


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Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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Another sad day for service members and family all over the country. Clinton gets a BJ and it gets more media coverage than the biggest scandal of all time, Enron, so I suppose that this will be swept under the rug also.

God SAVE America.

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Boomer Chick
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Colorado
339 posts, Sep 2003

posted 01-12-2004 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boomer Chick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, 1776.

I'm not surprised at what comes out of dumb-chimp's mouth! The PNAC and the neocon agenda says it all! O'Neill's revelations tell it all -- the picture is clear and my emotions told me the truth when I cried back in Sept. 2002 upon hearing Bush's speech thumbing his nose at the UN for preemptive action on Iraq and Hussein! The scrawling vicious evil writing was on the wall back then and the blood runs cold in our veins and spills onto our hands as it spills onto the soil of Iraq!

Sick bastards!

bc

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letxa2000
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Mexico
116 posts, Dec 2003

posted 01-12-2004 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letxa2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One wonders why these people feel the need to paraphrase and spin what Bush said when the transcript is available right here. Come on, give people the facts and let them draw their own conclusions rather than providing a paraphrased transcript that breaks into the transcript itself and tells the reader what to think.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/US/bush_sawyer_excerpts_2_031216.html

DIANE SAWYER: Fifty percent of the American people have said that they think the administration exaggerated the evidence going into the war with Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, connection to terrorism. Are the American people wrong? Misguided?

PRESIDENT BUSH: The intelligence I operated one was good sound intelligence, the same intelligence that my predecessor operated on. The — there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein was a threat. The — otherwise the United Nations might — wouldn't a passed, you know, resolution after resolution after resolution, demanding that he disarm. ... I first went to the United Nations, September the 12th, 2002, and said you've given this man resolution after resolution after resolution. He's ignoring them. You step up and see that he honor those resolutions. Otherwise you become a feckless debating society. ... And so for the sake of peace and for the sake of freedom of the Iraqi people, for the sake of security of the country, and for the sake of the credibility of institu — in — international institutions, a group of us moved, and the world is better for it.

DIANE SAWYER: But let me try to ask — this could be a long question. ... ... When you take a look back, Vice President Cheney said there is no doubt, Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, not programs, not intent. There is no doubt he has weapons of mass destruction. Secretary Powell said 100 to 500 tons of chemical weapons and now the inspectors say that there's no evidence of these weapons existing right now. The yellow cake in Niger, in Niger. George Tenet has said that shouldn't have been in your speech. Secretary Powell talked about mobile labs. Again, the intelligence — the inspectors have said they can't confirm this, they can't corroborate.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yet.

DIANE SAWYER: — an active —

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yet.

DIANE SAWYER: Is it yet?

PRESIDENT BUSH: But what David Kay did discover was they had a weapons program, and had that, that — let me finish for a second. Now it's more extensive than, than missiles. Had that knowledge been examined by the United Nations or had David Kay's report been placed in front of the United Nations, he, he, Saddam Hussein, would have been in material breach of 1441, which meant it was a causis belli. And look, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein was a dangerous person, and there's no doubt we had a body of evidence proving that, and there is no doubt that the president must act, after 9/11, to make America a more secure country.

DIANE SAWYER: Again, I'm just trying to ask, these are supporters, people who believed in the war who have asked the question.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, you can keep asking the question and my answer's gonna be the same. Saddam was a danger and the world is better off cause we got rid of him.

DIANE SAWYER: But stated as a hard fact, that there were weapons of mass destruction as opposed to the possibility that he could move to acquire those weapons still —

PRESIDENT BUSH: So what's the difference?

DIANE SAWYER: Well —

PRESIDENT BUSH: The possibility that he could acquire weapons. If he were to acquire weapons, he would be the danger. That's, that's what I'm trying to explain to you. A gathering threat, after 9/11, is a threat that needed to be de — dealt with, and it was done after 12 long years of the world saying the man's a danger. And so we got rid of him and there's no doubt the world is a safer, freer place as a result of Saddam being gone.

DIANE SAWYER: But, but, again, some, some of the critics have said this combined with the failure to establish proof of, of elaborate terrorism contacts, has indicated that there's just not precision, at best, and misleading, at worst.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah. Look — what — what we based our evidence on was a very sound National Intelligence Estimate. ...

DIANE SAWYER: Nothing should have been more precise?

PRESIDENT BUSH: What — I, I — I made my decision based upon enough intelligence to tell me that this country was threatened with Saddam Hussein in power.

DIANE SAWYER: What would it take to convince you he didn't have weapons of mass destruction?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Saddam Hussein was a threat and the fact that he is gone means America is a safer country.

DIANE SAWYER: And if he doesn't have weapons of mass destruction [inaudible] —

PRESIDENT BUSH: Diane, you can keep asking the question. I'm telling you — I made the right decision for America —

DIANE SAWYER: But-

PRESIDENT BUSH: — because Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction, invaded Kuwait. ... But the fact that he is not there is, means America's a more secure country.

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Mech
Liberate your mind


Northeast USA
5081 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-12-2004 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Bush is a no good piece of shi...


Lol!

Couldn't have stated it better.

Actually...

I'm SUPRISED Diane Sawyer (being a CFR Lt. and all_ DARED to ask LORD BUSH such questions.

Normally ABC bows down and worships LORD BUSH.

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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County


Jersey City, NJ
1149 posts, May 2002

posted 01-12-2004 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not only is he a no good piece of crap

He is a lying rat bastard!

And a cocaine, alcohol, and aspartame damaged sock puppet, who thinks the world is likened to the animals he used to torture as a child.

When I hear him speak, my stomach acids churn, and I need to eat a whole papaya to alkalize my system.

This little Napoleon is a disgrace to this country, and Clinton's Blow Job pales in comparison to the long lasting effects him and his Friendly Fascist Trotskyites have pushed on the world, just to manifest a crazed Religious, New World order.

Other than that, he's a real nice guy!!!


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Mech
Liberate your mind


Northeast USA
5081 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-12-2004 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Other than that, he's a real nice guy!!!"

Yeah...if you like grown-up children who blew up frogs.

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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member


Orange County, CA,USA
134 posts, Jan 2003

posted 01-12-2004 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScaredForTheFuture     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm 50/50 on Bush, but let me say this.

Based on the facts alone.. that Hussein abuses, tortures, and kills his people.. this is enough reason for most Democrats to justify what it took to get the guy.

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m3th0d
loving the blue sky


Rijeka, Croatia
44 posts, Jun 2003

posted 01-12-2004 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for m3th0d     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish there was a video clip of him saying that...I'd love 2 see his stupid face when he says it!

BTW I got a clip (and I share it on every damn P2P prog I use) of Bu$h drunk at some party talking talking a lot of shit.
Have you ever seen it? It's a real gem!

I could upload it to my space if anyone's interested.

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'Eric Cartman : Why can't societies just live in peace?'

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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County


Jersey City, NJ
1149 posts, May 2002

posted 01-12-2004 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
m3th0d

I'd love to see Dumbya making an ass of himself.

Please do put up a link, and I'll link it on some other sites I moderate.

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JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe


Northeast
355 posts, Jul 2003

posted 01-12-2004 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerseyBluEyz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, PLEASE post that video clip!

Since this seems like a nice bashing thread, I'm posting some election stickers I came across. I tried to pick out the newer ones that I thought were funny:



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Boomer Chick
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Colorado
339 posts, Sep 2003

posted 01-12-2004 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boomer Chick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My favorite?

or

KNOW BUSH
NO PEACE

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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County


Jersey City, NJ
1149 posts, May 2002

posted 01-12-2004 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
George W. Bush tells New Yorker writer Ken Auletta: "No President has ever done more for human rights than I have."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/153985p-135485c.html


W & aides broadcast media hate

President Bush & Co. let the New Yorker know just how much they hate the media.

He didn't free the slaves.

He didn't rid the world of Hitler.

He didn't even - like his father - preside over the destruction of the Berlin Wall.

Yet George W. Bush tells New Yorker writer Ken Auletta: "No President has ever done more for human rights than I have."

With stunners like that, no wonder he spends so little time with journalists.

The President's eyebrow-raising assertion comes during some Oval Office chitchat after Auletta - writing about the testy relations between the Bush White House and the news media - sits in on an interview with a British newspaper reporter.

In the latest New Yorker, Auletta reports that Bush and his minions have little use for the Fourth Estate.

Political guru Karl Rove claims that the job of journalists is "not necessarily to report the news. It's to get a headline or get a story that will make people pay attention to their magazine, newspaper or television more."

And Chief of Staff Andy Card scoffs: "[The media] don't represent the public any more than other people do. In our democracy, the people who represent the public stood for election."

Card argues that it's not the responsibility of top White House policymakers to provide reporters with facts.

"It's not our job to be sources. The taxpayers don't pay us to leak!" Card tells Auletta. "Our job is not to make your job easy."

Predictably, the reporters who cover Bush aren't happy. The Washington Post's Dana Milbank complains: "My biggest frustration is that this White House has chosen an approach ...to engage us as little as possible." And the New York Times' Elisabeth Bumiller grouses: "Too often they treat us with contempt."

Free the White House press corps!

Reel voice of the Peebles

Mario Van Peebles wrote, directed and acted the title role in "BaadAsssss!" - an indie movie he's screening this week at the Sundance Film Festival in Utah.

It's about a larger-than-life director who is by turns impossible, egotistical and maniacally focused on his work.

That is, it's about Melvin Van Peebles, Mario's 71-year-old father - depicted as he was struggling to make the 1971 blaxploitation hit, "Sweet Sweetback's BaadAsssss Song."

"He just said to me, 'Don't make me too damn nice,'" the 46-year-old Mario told Lowdown. "And I wasn't trying to show him as a good guy, I wanted to be absolutely honest, I was pretty straight with him. ... It's definitely about a guy making an impossible movie, even losing sight in his eye, sacrificing everything for it."

The younger Van Peebles had a small role in the original movie, playing a boy growing up - and losing his virginity at his father's behest - in a house of ill repute.

"I was about 12, almost 13," Mario said. "You know, I had done a lot of theater beforehand, so it wasn't..." he trailed off. "My biggest beef was not the scene. My beef with him was more his being unavailable because he was fighting this war [to get the movie made] and not explaining the war to me."

As for Melvin's reaction to the son's movie, "He got a big kick out of it!" Mario said.

On the other hand, "I used a lot of footage from my dad's film, and he wanted to charge me for it. I said, 'Charge me? This is product placement! I'm doing product placement for you.'"

The briefing

What are the odds?: Virtues Czar Bill Bennett, who ran into a spot of bother last year over his multimillion-dollar gambling habit, slammed Pete Rose's gambling during a speaking trip to New Hampshire last week.

"I think it's an open question whether any adult should gamble," Bennett told me. "It's an absolutely closed question whether a baseball player should gamble on baseball."

Bennett, the former drug czar who remains a staunch opponent of legalizing recreational substances, was the victim of a practical joke during a speech to college students in Manchester.

Members of the Students for Sensible Drug Policy passed out plastic cups and invited people to send Bennett urine samples. And one, Brian Gralnik, got Bennett to autograph the inside cover of a book titled "Winning Casino Blackjack for the Non-Counter."

Ex-gambler Bennett - whose preferred Las Vegas pastimes were video poker and the slot machines - said he signed several books on the way out of the auditorium and didn't look at the titles.

Yes, we know it's you, Mariah Carey!: Who was that blond, bronzer-wearing woman in the green parka with the furry hood, being whisked through the sparse midnight crowd at SoHo House Thursday? Why was she preceded by a handler repeating "Excuse me! Excuse me!" over and over? And why did she keep stopping to flick back her hair and look this way and that as though she wanted to be recognized? Just asking.

More evidence that the end of the world is at hand: Newsweek magazine has discovered the phenomenon of bikini waxing for "upwardly mobile heterosexual men." A beautician at an upper East Side salon tells reporter Holly Peterson: "It's not their backs I'm waxing. It's their b--s." Lidia Tivichi of New York's Kimara Ahnert salon opines: "Without the hair, everything down there looks bigger."
Originally published on January 12, 2004

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Mech
Liberate your mind


Northeast USA
5081 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-12-2004 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the anti-bush sticker my brother has on his car.

It looks like one of those..post sept-11th stickers everyone has on their car with the flag and all...you know..they say stuff like..

Shock and awe!

or

The eagles pissed

or

Let's roll

Or whatever.

My brother has the same type sticker...flag and all with..

BUSH...HANDS OFF MY CONSTITUTION

All caps.

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JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe


Northeast
355 posts, Jul 2003

posted 01-12-2004 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerseyBluEyz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mech:
BUSH...HANDS OFF MY CONSTITUTION

That sure sounds like your type of sticker! Guess you and your brother think alike huh?

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Mech
Liberate your mind


Northeast USA
5081 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-12-2004 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My brother is more of a liberal than I am...he's a Union Steward where he works.

I'm a bit more Conservative than he is.

I don't put stickers on my car. Attracts too much attention from sickos.

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