posted 01-21-2004 03:46 PM            

by Andrew Miga
Thursday, May 15, 2003

The following is a Portion of John Kerry remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" May 6, 2001

- Mr.Russert: You mentioned you're a military guy. There's been a lot of discussion about Bob Kerrey, your former Democratic colleague in the Senate, about his talking about his anguish about what happened in Vietnam. You were on this program 30 years ago as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War....

And we went back and have an audiotape of that and some still photos. And your comments are particularly timely in this overall discussion of Bob Kerrey. And I'd like for you to listen to those with our audience and then try to put that war into some context:

(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

Sen. John F. Kerry - Long time Council on Foreign Relations Member and Skull and Bones man

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End audiotape)

Here is some more info about Kerry from former VIETNAM POW Michael Benge...

John Kerry's war record

When Mr. Kerry pontificated at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on Veterans Day, a group of veterans turned their backs on him and walked away. They remembered Mr. Kerry as the anti-war activist who testified before Congress during the war, accusing veterans of being war criminals. The dust jacket of Mr. Kerry's pro-Hanoi book, "The New Soldier," features a photograph of his ragged band of radicals mocking the U.S. Marine Corps Memorial, which depicts the flag-raising on Iwo Jima, with an upside-down American flag. Retired Gen. George S. Patton III charged that Mr. Kerry's actions as an anti-war activist had "given aid and comfort to the enemy," as had the actions of Ramsey Clark and Jane Fonda. Also, Mr. Kerry lied when he threw what he claimed were his war medals over the White House fence; he later admitted they weren't his. Now they are displayed on his office wall. Long after he changed sides in congressional hearings, Mr. Kerry lobbied for renewed trade relations with Hanoi. At the same time, his cousin C. Stewart Forbes, chief executive for Colliers International, assisted in brokering a $905 million deal to develop a deep-sea port at Vung Tau, Vietnam ? an odd coincidence.

As noted in the Inside Politics column of Nov. 14 (Nation), historian Douglas Brinkley is writing Mr. Kerry's biography. Hopefully, he'll include the senator's latest ignominious feat: preventing the Vietnam Human Rights Act (HR2833) from coming to a vote in the Senate, claiming human rights would deteriorate as a result. His actions sent a clear signal to Hanoi that Congress cares little about the human rights for which so many Americans fought and died.

The State Department ranked Vietnam among the 10 regimes worldwide least tolerant of religious freedom. Recently, 354 churches of the Montagnards, a Christian ethnic minority, were forcibly disbanded, and by mid-October, more than 50 Christian pastors and elders had been arrested in Dak Lak province alone. On Oct. 29, the secret police executed three Montagnards by lethal injection simply for protesting religious repression. The communists are conducting a pogrom against the Montagnards, forcing Christians to drink a mixture of goat's blood and alcohol and renounce Christianity. Thousands have been killed or imprisoned or have just "disappeared." The Montagnards lost one-half of their adult male population fighting for the United States, and without them, there might be thousands more American names on that somber black granite wall at the Vietnam memorial. As Mr. Kerry contemplates a run for the presidency, people must remember that he has fought harder for Hanoi as an anti-war activist and a senator than he did against the Vietnamese communists while serving in the Navy in Vietnam.

MICHAEL BENGE
Foreign Service officer and former Vietnam POW (1968 to 1973) - Here is a bit of info about Kerry and his Skull & Bones connections...

Kerry made his Bones in secret club - like Bush

WASHINGTON - Sen. John F. Kerry expounds on many issues in his presidential campaign, but he's completely silent on one topic: his membership in Skull and Bones, Yale's infamous secret society.``John Kerry has absolutely nothing to say on that subject. Sorry,'' said Kerry spokeswoman Kelley Benander.Kerry is a respected senator and a decorated Vietnam War combat veteran, but 36 years after he was initiated into what has been called the ``ultimate old boy network,'' he's wary of breaking the ultra-exclusive club's strict secrecy code.There's also another high-profile member of the club: President Bush.Bonesmen already are buzzing over the prospect of the first Bones vs.

Bones presidential race should Kerry win his party's nomination and face Bush in 2004.``Bones don't care who wins,'' said author Alexandra Robbins, whose book ``Secrets of the Tomb'' pierced the secrecy shrouding the 171-year-old society. ``If Kerry wins, it's still a Bones presidency.''Robbins calls the group ``probably the most secretive and successful club in America,'' and adds, ``It's also pretty bizarre.'' Every year, 15 Yale juniors are tapped for the club, which holds meetings twice a week in a crypt-like building known as the ``Tomb.'' Robbins described the interior, replete with skulls and skeletons, as a cross between the ``Addams Family'' and a slightly shabby English men's club.

posted 01-21-2004 04:11 PM            

Winning a primary or two, does not mean the nomination is in the bag!

The coming election will be the mother of all elections!

Kerry may be a bonesman, but there are levels of boniness, aren't there? Perhaps he's just a liberal elitist with superficial bones ties!

At any rate, I wouldn't worry about his becoming president!

None of this is conclusive as to culpability of anything, really. He keeps secrets, so what? He invited someone to the club, so what?

Now considering Bush junior and Senior and their long history with Nazi's AND the Skull and Bones -- I tend to give credence to their involvement, especially considering Bush Jr. made it through Yale (nepotism and help from S and B?), more readily than Kerry's involvement. But that's just me.

Dean still has the fire I like! Dean and Clark? Clark and Dean? Clark said he wouldn't accept a VP position, but that was "yesterday." I wonder if he'd reconsider?

It's all still up for grabs!

Hang in there, Mech!

peace,

posted 01-21-2004 04:25 PM            

You should be worried. Be afraid....be very afraid.

If you are a democrat I suggest voting for Edwards.

As for me...I don't like ANY of the candidates thus far...but BONES Kerry will merely be a direct acceptable replacement for Bush by the globalists.

posted 01-21-2004 09:48 PM            

This thread makes Kerry a bit more acceptable to me.

Like McCain:
got my respect when he admitted that only the POW's who sold out their country and gave propaganda statements were returned home
in the Nixon/Kissinger/Ho Chi Min agreements.

Kerry admitted that he also followed orders and committed atrocities under orders.

I know the anger of seeing someone I'd shot get up and cheat me out of credit for the kill.

I know, for a fact, that soldiers and marines threw away the id cards of non combatents, then killed them;
Just to get a 'body count' leave in Hong Kong as a reward.

Soldiers of all nations get away with atrocities during wartime.

Kerry has remorse.
I hope he has the dreams also.
It would make him a better man.

Bush served his military time in Mexican cantinas and houses of ill repute,
and in the family compound in Maine.

Twixt Kerry and the devil himself.
I'd choose Kerry over Bush.

Kerry knows the wind of a near miss bullet's passing.
Bush knows only wealth and special privilege.

There is such a thing as the lesser of two evils.

Bush is the worst PResident ever!

Even Nixon would not allow the murder of innocent Americans just to funnel war money to supporters and cronies.

posted 01-21-2004 10:03 PM            

Replace evil with more evil....

YAH! That'll fix things.

posted 01-21-2004 10:47 PM            

But....if the choice is between Kerry and Bush, I'll take my chances with Kerry. In that sense, Shatoga is correct, but we must proceed with EXTREME caution when and if a Lefty Bonesman gets in. What is really needed is a progressive Congress and Senate, and on local levels. Mech you are correct in that we won't get any anti-Nafta people in there, and Boomer, yes, I thouroughly enjoyed Dean giving his Billy Idol impersonation. The man does has fire in his veins, rather than Booze, Cocaine, and aspartame.

So, even if Bush gets in again, the lesser offices must be filled by Demos, Greens, Libertarians, and Intelligent Conservatives.

"You don't have Nixon to play the keys anymore"

posted 01-21-2004 11:32 PM            

Greens' leader Ralph Nader's commercials were paid for by Republicans in 2000.

(the "anti-corporate crusader'
who owns $6 million of corporate stocks)

Libertarians like Ron Paul rejoined the Republican Party so they could have a chance at being elected.

America has become a one-party-rule
state with police able to arrest and detain permanently anyone at any time without cause.

Nobody with an (R) next to their name will ever again get my vote.

They did this to us!

With help from Greens sellouts like Nader, and too many 'democrats' and 'libertarians' to list.

It is now a choice between absolute unrestrained evil (Bush) or the lesser evil (anyone else)

We can all of course be pollyanas and hope our prince will come rescue us from the unfortunate reality.

Stalin or Hitler?

(fill in the blank)
or Bush=
ultimate evil that is now overwhelming the world;
or,
a lesser evil we may survive to defeat?

quote me:
"Anyone but Bush"

posted 01-22-2004 01:35 PM            

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shatoga, "a lesser evil we may survive to defeat?"

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swampgas, "What is really needed is a progressive Congress and Senate, and on local levels."

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mech,"You should be worried. Be afraid....be very afraid."

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Now let's hold on a minute! Fear is part of the NWO game -- I simply won't succumb to it! However I appreciate a possible warning and we must be ever vigilent on all possiblities. But I would also remind you that a cabinet and administration of good men and women could over-run a single bonesman in the lot! Since I've seen and heard Kerry's children, and his wife, and apples don't fall far from the tree -- the indications are that this bonesman is a learned and changed man -- a growing man, and I can't say that for ANY of those in power now!

A man who's experienced war first hand and can learn from it as in Clark's and Kerry's cases, will be a far better asset to world peace than any loon who got through Yale with cronie nepotism and pay offs for a monkey son puppet to assume a puppet dictatorship in our White House! George obviously is incapable of learning and changing, as he keeps repeating lie after lie after lie, which are fed by the sinister greedy mob controlling him, whether ultimately Illuminati-controlled or not -- the neocons must go!

And OST (Oh So True) swamp that politics is local! So obvious especially now and today that the Repubs have run away with our very democratic principles slashing overtime pay and origin food labelling in favor of special interests! Not to mention the bills passed for energy, health, and the ridiculous attempt at overhauling education all pandering to interests, slighting the children, seniors, and workers who are the backbone of the past and future of our American economy! The veterans once again, I might add, are being screwed by this federally mandated slashing of overtime for all workers who don't have 4 year degrees! It's sickening and underlines the need for supporting and contributing to your local Dem party candidate Congress and Senate races! Even with a Dem White House, a Republican majority Congress and Senate could run roughshod over working-class citizens and promote their dual class (poor and rich) agendas ad infinitum! The president would become a veto president for sure! So local is part of the plan!

Yes, we must survive to defeat! We would stand a chance of revising and controlling the runaway corporations and the present collusions with anyone now running (except Lieberman) for Dem president and hopefully grab Dem seats in the Congress at large! It's the only way short of civil war!

The world is watching us, hopeful that we will kick them out!

Impeachment talk is rising again! It rumbles and rings clearly as it swells into a clear and bright tone like the liberty bell clanging in my ears! Though it may not attain a foothold in Congress, the public debate will surely address it! Music to our ears! The Hague, John Dean, other organizations are all contributing like our early patriots pulling the strings of that inspiring iron symbol of freedom and liberty from the olden King George -- a variation on the theme, now, wouldn't you say?

bc
http://legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

ICC to Get Evidence of Illegality of War --A strong case arguing the illegality of the invasion of Iraq will be handed soon to the International Criminal Court at The Hague. The report prepared by eight leading international lawyers and professors of law drawn from four countries makes a strong case against the illegality of the way British and U.S. troops fought the war.

NEW HAMPSHIRE DEBATE TONIGHT
Watch Dennis in a presidential candidates debate tonight. The debate starts at 8 p.m. ET in New Hampshire and will be aired live on WMUR in New Hampshire, Fox News, ABC News, Fox News Radio, and ABC News Radio. An edited version will be shown on ABC News "Nightline" at 11:35 p.m.. By some reports, C-Span will also show the debate, possibly with a delay.

General Wesley Clark says US plans to attack seven Muslim states http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B3A44697-9F60-4AA3-9E63-2304A0D164CA.htm

posted 01-22-2004 06:45 PM            

since the big broom swept through the Democrats in 1994,
that is no longer true.

Individuals,
with no money can become active in local and state politics and become the people setting the agenda for the Democratic Party.

I know.
they welcomed me with considerable suspicion in 1994, as we, in turn tried to welcome the Natural Law Party and Libertarian candidates on election night.
I got to know several governors, congressmen and Senators and one President.

Because I have kept in touch with my former comrades,
I also still have insider views of the Republican party,
as the current neo-con rulers have configured it.

Loyalty flows only to the top.
Never once has any minion ever been supported and exonerated.
Not since NWO advocate GHW Bush pardoned his fellow Iran-Contra conspirators.

Fall on your sword for the leadership,
Instead of the leadership also loving our nation and respecting our Constitution.
(and supporting their loyal followers by taking blame for their own actions)

I distrust any bonesman...
but between the devil (bush)
and the deep blue sea.(Kerry et al)

I recommend we all tread water...

It beats becoming one of the sharks feasting on human flesh

posted 02-13-2004 09:28 AM            

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