posted 03-14-2004 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Show-Me Truth:
Well believe it or not Wolf,

what I am telling you is absolutely verifiable. All sorts of chemtrail programs have existed at least back into the forties.

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O.K. I’ll start by saying that I am not going argue that areial testing was conducted in the 40’s and possibly even up through to 60’s.

However, I think that it is a far stretch to point to a perfectly normal persistent contrail, and infer that the same program is still in place. To begin with the cultural structure of society in general and even the military was completely different then. That was the peak era for McCarthyism, the Vietnam War, pre Watergate, etc.

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In fact I even recently posted a link to testimoney given to a government panel on chemtrails. The people as you talk about on Carnicom's site may well have very good reason to believe that they have found viruses and biological material that has been intentionally released from planes.

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Nothing posted on Carnicom’s site has any validity at all as far as I am concerned.

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Check out this link that that talks about decades of this dangerous spraying over hundreds of cities and MILLIONS of people using all sorts of different potentially carcinogenic chemicals as well as different biological agents. CHEMTRAILS exist.
http://home.comcast.net/~kknowlto/openair.htm

SmT

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OK, fine even if this is valid, and I would like to see some back up to it, it still doesn’t prove much. To begin with this describes a testing program under controlled conditions. In fact from the description, I would consider these test to be necessary to determine how effective the protective gear issued to our troops is.

I wonder how loud some of posters here would complain if there was a chem/bio attack on our troops in the mid-east somewhere and the their protective gear proved faulty?

What if a terrorist group does unleash a bio weapon over a U.S. city? The information from those experiments may prove vital to combating the threat.

This, however, is not "proof" that every persistent contrails that you see are in fact chemicals being sprayed on you. In fact I am willing to bet that those tests have proven just how futile it would be to spray chemical from 30,000 feet.

These things may very well be true, but they do not constitute proof that the resistant contrails that you observe above you, which have been documented as originating from commercial airline flights are anything other than that, persistent contrails.

Chemtrails are not real.

No one is out to get you.

posted 03-14-2004 11:27 PM               

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That was the peak era for McCarthyism, the Vietnam War, pre Watergate, etc.

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And you don't see a direct correlation to that Era and today? Do I need to paint you this picture or are you that clueless?

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Nothing posted on Carnicom’s site has any validity at all as far as I am concerned.

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Does that make it not true? No!

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These things may very well be true, but they do not constitute proof that the resistant contrails that you observe above you, which have been documented as originating from commercial airline flights are anything other than that, persistent contrails.

Chemtrails are not real.

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In fact I called my local news to bring up the persistant contrails and I got a flat answer that it was the military doing exercises. Point blank. You should study the links about the Salt lake experiments in which the DOE tested perfluorocarbon tracers and how they tracked it spread across the US. The chemical aspect is from a electromagnetic structure. That is why Barium and perfluorcarbons need to be tested more in the air. I agree we need more people confirming this. Feel free to do so yourself.

Chemtrails are real. Skyline to SkyLine Condensation does not happen in such a manor and at such a high frequency. We are talking about freezing here. When a hot air collides with cold it condensates and goes away as it blends in. Such as your breath or the tail pipe on your car. It does not create long lines that stay. It blends it's temperature back in. If you would do a study you would find that many days that produce clear blue skys are also producing really large clouds from contrails. How is that? If the weather itself is not making clouds, how does a jet contrail end up going skyline to skyline and fan out into overcast?

posted 03-15-2004 01:45 AM            

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In fact I called my local news to bring up the persistant contrails and I got a flat answer that it was the military doing exercises. Point blank.

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Could you please tell me which station or newspaper it was, who you talked to, and the date in question? I will call up and verify this. I asked you this once before and you ignore the question.

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You either get it or don't. How long are you going to spend in a forum on something you don't believe in and what is your reasoning?

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posted 03-15-2004 09:25 AM               

OR, just ask if the military is doingf exercises.

Call the FAA and ask them.

Do your own damn homework you 2 week, screen printing fool.

Regardless of what you find, I know what I have seen, documented and was told by the news.

Sooooo, did you capture all blast this weekend? like this one for instance? Notice how a donut forms in the clouds before the blast.

posted 03-15-2004 03:16 PM            

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That was the peak era for McCarthyism, the Vietnam War, pre Watergate, etc.
And you don't see a direct correlation to that Era and today? Do I need to paint you this picture or are you that clueless?

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Nothing posted on Carnicom’s site has any validity at all as far as I am concerned.

Does that make it not true? No!

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It makes it impossible to state that any of his claims are true based on his data.

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Chemtrails are real. Skyline to SkyLine Condensation does not happen in such a manor and at such a high frequency. We are talking about freezing here. When a hot air collides with cold it condensates and goes away as it blends in. Such as your breath or the tail pipe on your car. It does not create long lines that stay. It blends it's temperature back in. If you would do a study you would find that many days that produce clear blue skys are also producing really large clouds from contrails. How is that? If the weather itself is not making clouds, how does a jet contrail end up going skyline to skyline and fan out into overcast?

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”When a hot air collides with cold it condensates and goes away as it blends in. Such as your breath or the tail pipe on your car. It does not create long lines that stay. It blends it's temperature back in.”

posted 03-15-2004 03:29 PM            

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Hey moron, how hard is it to test that out? Get on CTTUSA yahoo group, get on the calendar, see when someone is posting high activity in an area and then call their local news and say, "I was watching the sky and I am seeing a lot of unusual activity in the sky and I would like to report it. The planes are producing cloud cover at an unusual amount these days, any reason why? OR, just ask if the military is doingf exercises. Call the FAA and ask them. Do your own damn homework you 2 week, screen printing fool.

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First, I don't find anything "unusual" about contrails. You stated that you had talked to some local news and they had told you the military was doing something. I asked you to provide information regarding the source of that material and, as usual, you declined. Your lack of documented evidence is astounding.

I may be a 2-week, screen-printing fool but everything I do is documented. You can't (or won't) even name the local news source you talked to.

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Regardless of what you find, I know what I have seen, documented and was told by the news.

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Great! Share that knowledge!

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Sooooo, did you capture all blast this weekend? like this one for instance? Notice how a donut forms in the clouds before the blast.

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Uh, yeah, NAADP caught it... aren't you the same person with whom I'm already discussing that blast in the RadarMatrix thread?

posted 03-15-2004 08:59 PM               

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First, I don't find anything "unusual" about contrails. You stated that you had talked to some local news and they had told you the military was doing something. I asked you to provide information regarding the source of that material and, as usual, you declined. Your lack of documented evidence is astounding.

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Awwww, does little Lex think I owe him something? Not willing to do the grunt work himself?

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I may be a 2-week, screen-printing fool but everything I do is documented. You can't (or won't) even name the local news source you talked to.

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First off, my site is full of documentation. SO much as I can fill. You're an arrogant fool to jump to the conclusion that I have no documentation just because I won't play with you. You have proven to be a 2-week, screen-printing fool by your own admission now so too bad so sad charlie brown.

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Great! Share that knowledge!

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posted 03-15-2004 09:03 PM               

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It makes it impossible to state that any of his claims are true based on his data

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Which doesnt make them false either

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Not only do you have problems understanding electromagnetism, but you are also having trouble with basic concepts of thermodynamics.

”When a hot air collides with cold it condensates and goes away as it blends in. Such as your breath or the tail pipe on your car. It does not create long lines that stay. It blends it's temperature back in.”

There are so many things wrong with that above statement that I don’t know where to start. Based on that logic, it would be impossible for clouds to form

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Oh by all means....fill me in cuz I was keeping it simple for you. I would love for you to step into this cuz I have lots of questions based on the answers you give.