posted 03-23-2004 11:07 AM            

By Chris Strohm
cstrohm@govexec.com
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0304/032204c1.htm

Public interest groups are demanding the immediate resignation of the director of the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, just as the commission prepares to hold high-profile hearings this week with senior officials from the Bush and Clinton administrations.

The 9-11 Family Steering Committee and 9-11 Citizens Watch, two separate groups, are demanding the resignation of Philip Zelikow, executive director of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, after information surfaced over the weekend that he participated in Bush administration briefings prior to Sept. 11 on the threat al Qaeda posed to the country.

"We believe that the very integrity of the commission is at stake here, and that he should resign immediately," Kyle Hence, co-founder of Citizens Watch, said Monday.

On Saturday, the Family Steering Committee wrote a letter to the commission arguing that Zelikow has a conflict of interest because he could potentially be held culpable for failing to heed warnings about al Qaeda prior to Sept. 11.

"It is clear that [Zelikow] should never have been permitted to be a member of the commission, since it is the mandate of the commission to identify the source of failures," the committee wrote. "It is now apparent why there has been so little effort to assign individual culpability. We now can see that trail would lead directly to the staff director himself."

Zelikow was a member of the team that helped with the Bush administration transition to office. When he became executive director of the commission, he recused himself from participating in any part of the investigation that dealt with the time he served on the Bush transition team.

Critics have previously called for Zelikow to resign because they believed he had at least an appearance of a conflict of interest. He co-wrote a book in 1995 with Condoleezza Rice, who is now Bush's national security adviser. Additionally, only Zelikow and commission member Jamie Gorelick are permitted to read classified intelligence reports known as the presidential daily briefs in their entirety.

Information that Zelikow participated in intelligence briefings on al Qaeda before Sept. 11 surfaced over the weekend in interviews with the government's former counterterrorism czar, Richard Clarke, who resigned last summer after 30 years of public service. Clarke served in four administrations as part of the National Security Council. He was the counterterrorism czar for former President Clinton, served on the transition team when Bush came into office and remained as a senior counterterrorism official under the Bush administration.

On Saturday, Clarke told the New York Times that he gave briefings on the threat posed by al Qaeda to Rice; Stephen Hadley, now Rice's deputy; and Zelikow when he was part of the transition team from December 2000 to January 2001.

Clarke told CBS' "60 Minutes" on Sunday that the Bush administration failed to heed his warnings in the months leading up to Sept. 11, and then eagerly tried to blame Iraq for the attacks in the aftermath when no connection existed.

On Monday, Clarke's new book, Against All Enemies: Inside the White House's War on Terror--What Really Happened, was released. In it he forcefully criticizes the Bush administration's efforts to defend the country from terrorist attacks.

Al Felzenberg, spokesman for the 9-11 commission, said Monday that no new charges have been leveled that would cause the commission to ask Zelikow to resign. Felzenberg reiterated that Zelikow recused himself from parts of the investigation that deal with the time he served on the transition team.

"The commission finds the director's recusal sufficient," Felzenberg said. "I don't see a single charge that has been made that would cause the commission to change its view."

Felzenberg said Zelikow was not responsible for making policy decisions or implementing recommendations during his time on the transition team. He added that the commission has a policy regarding conflicts of interest and a process in which complaints should be vetted.

The commission is planning two days of public hearings starting Tuesday. The hearings will consist of testimony from high-level officials from the Bush and Clinton administrations, with a focus on counterterrorism.

Scheduled to testify on Tuesday are Secretary of State Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, as well as their counterparts in the Clinton administration, Madeleine Albright and William Cohen. Scheduled to testify on Wednesday are CIA Director George Tenet; Samuel Berger, former assistant to Clinton for national security affairs; and Clarke. The commission announced Monday that Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage also will testify Wednesday to beef up the administration's position on counterterrorism.

The Family Steering Committee and Citizens Watch want Bush and Clinton, Vice President Dick Cheney and former Vice President Al Gore, and Rice to testify publicly under oath. Rice testified in February before a closed session of the commission.

Citizens Watch and family members of Sept. 11 victims held a press conference Monday to demand the commission provide transparency, accountability and sworn public testimony from the highest government officials.

Hence said the commission has so far experienced "a pattern of stonewalling and slow walking" by the White House and federal agencies, such as the Federal Aviation Administration and North American Aerospace Defense Command.

"To date, no one in government--not a single government official--has been held directly accountable for the apparent and as yet unexplained simultaneous, massive, across-the-board failure of every single defensive and intelligence measure this country had established," Hence said.

posted 03-23-2004 11:09 AM            

The hearing will try to find whether any specific warnings were given
The independent US commission looking into the 11 September 2001 attacks on America has begun hearing evidence on the risk that al-Qaeda posed.

The current and former secretaries of state and defence are testifying.

The first witness - former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright - began by outlining US efforts to "neutralise" al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

The hearings come after ex-White House counter-terrorism aide Richard Clarke criticised the Bush policy on terror.

He accused it of ignoring the threat from al-Qaeda - concentrating instead on Iraq.

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell will defend the current administration against the wider charge that it simply did not take al-Qaeda seriously enough, says the BBC's Justin Webb in Washington.

I think the president ignored terrorism prior to 11 September
Richard Clarke

Newsnight interviews Richard Clarke
Mr Clarke is due to testify before the commission on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan has accused Mr Clarke of political opportunism ahead of November's presidential poll.

Vice President Dick Cheney said that Mr Clarke, who served under four US presidents, clearly missed a lot of what was going on during his time at the White House.

posted 03-23-2004 07:15 PM            

Bush's 9/11 myths endanger U.S.
Marie Cocco

March 23, 2004

This is the week the myths may disintegrate.

There are two great myths about 9/11, spun in a seamless web that took form even as the flames shot from the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and tiny Shanksville wept.

The first myth - that there was no hint the American homeland would be targeted by al-Qaida, and nothing that could have prevented the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks - was propagated that very morning. "No warnings," former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters aboard Air Force One.

To deconstruct this myth, you do not have to listen this week to the testimony of former Clinton administration officials before the independent commission investigating the 9/11 attack. You can dismiss them as self-serving partisans and ignore their statements about the screeching alarms they sounded for the incoming Bush administration.

But you can look at the record and know that of course our cities and our transportation systems were targets. The World Trade Center was attacked in 1993. Through the 1990s, the government thwarted a series of terrorist plots against the United States - plans to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, to attack the Los Angeles airport, to unleash mayhem in New York City's subways. These are warnings of plots against the homeland, are they not?

The second myth - that Iraq is, in the words of President George W. Bush, "the central front in the war on terror" - has led America to launch an occupation of unspecified duration and incalculable cost.

Bush continues to merge in his speeches - and so in the public mind - the attacks of 9/11 with the war in Iraq. Marking the first anniversary of the Iraq invasion, he unabashedly tied the two. "The establishment of a free Iraq is our fight," Bush told assembled diplomats. "The success of a free Afghanistan is our fight. The war on terror is our fight."

No one else - not the Spaniards who voted out a government that supported Bush on Iraq, not the rest of Europe, not the FBI nor the CIA - believes the two were one and the same.

"In the absence of any threatening terrorist movement apart from al-Qaida, many eyes fastened on an old intransigent evil entity - Saddam's Iraq," former United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix writes in his book, "Disarming Iraq." These are the eyes that peer from the bunker of the Bush White House.

Though the U.S. administration portrayed him as a feckless bureaucrat, Blix doesn't settle scores. He lays out the inexorable march toward a war that was going to take place, with or without inspections, with or without many allies, with or without terrorists. With or without weapons of mass destruction.

But Blix does not represent the threat to the White House embodied in Richard Clarke.

Clarke is an expert in terrorism who worked for four presidents, dating to Ronald Reagan. His new book, "Against all Enemies," indicts Bush for propagating the two myths: That he did everything possible to fight terrorism before 9/11. And that Iraq is related to the war on terror.

"Osama bin Laden had been saying for years, 'America wants to invade an Arab country and occupy it, an oil-rich Arab country,'" Clarke said in a "60 Minutes" interview coinciding with the book's release. "We stepped right into bin Laden's propaganda."

The White House answers with rhetorical roaring guns. Condoleezza Rice - the national security adviser who refuses to testify publicly before the 9/11 investigative commission - pressed her counter-spin in The Washington Post. The administration claims a key conversation Clarke says he had with the president never took place. CBS News and The Washington Post both report they've verified the conversation.

The public must choose between one who long served presidents of both parties and an incumbent whose claim to re-election rests on assertion of robust leadership against terror.

The myths loom large. It is not unprecedented for a people to be so fearful they are deluded. But it is more dangerous than ever.

Her e-mail address is

cocco@newsday.com.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.

posted 03-23-2004 07:34 PM            

tighter border and intelligence checks, the head of an official inquiry into the strikes said Tuesday as top administration officials gave their first public testimony.

With President George W. Bush (news - web sites) already facing criticism from a former White House anti-terrorism adviser, the inquiry into the 2001 attacks that left about 3,000 dead could increase pressure on Bush in his re-election campaign year.

"My feeling is a whole number of circumstances, had they been different, might have prevented 9/11," Thomas Kean, chairman of The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, told CBS television before Tuesday's key hearing.

"They involve everything from how people got into the country to failures in the intelligence system. There's a whole series of things. Had any number of them gone a different way, then perhaps 9/11 could have been prevented."

The panel of Republican and Democratic members issued a preliminary report saying the Bush administration and the previous government of president Bill Clinton (news - web sites) were not aggressive enough in countering the threat from Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al-Qaeda group.

"By early 1997, intelligence and law enforcement officials in the US government had finally received reliable information disclosing the existence of al-Qaeda as a worldwide terrorist organization," the report said.

The information set out al-Qaeda's command structure and "described a network of training camps to process recruits, discuss efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction and place al-Qaeda at the center among other groups affiliated with them in its 'Islamic Army,'" but US officials did not highlight the threat.

Later, in dealing with the Taliban-controlled Afghanistan (news - web sites), where bin Laden took refuge, US officials were again too passive, the report said.

"While Afghanistan became a sanctuary for al-Qaeda, the State Department's interest in Afghanistan remained limited." The report said efforts from 1997 to make Afghanistan expel bin Laden failed.

Years before the attacks on New York and Washington, the United States had become aware of "loose affiliations of Islamist extremists violently angry at the United States," it said.

"The 1993 attempt to blow up the World Trade Center called attention to a new kind of terrorist danger."

Intelligence officials concluded as early as July 1995 "that the most likely threat would come from emerging 'transient' terrorist groupings that were more fluid and multinational than the older organizations and state-sponsored surrogates."

Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) and his predecessor, Madeleine Albright (news - web sites), gave evidence to the commission in public on Tuesday. They were to be followed by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and, on Wednesday, CIA (news - web sites) director George Tenet.

Powell said that Bush decided early in his administration that he wanted a more aggressive campaign against terrorism and especially al-Qaeda.

"He said in early spring, 'I'm tired of swatting flies.' He wanted thorough comprehensive diplomatic, military, intelligence, law enforcement and financial strategy to go after al-Qaeda."

Powell said "We wanted to move beyond the rollback policy of containment, criminal prosecution and limited retaliation for specific terrorist attacks. We wanted to destroy al-Qaeda."

Albright defended the actions of the Clinton administration, which staged cruise missile strikes against al-Qaeda targets in Afghanistan in 1998.

"We did everything we could, everything we could think of, based on the knowledge we had, to protect our people and disrupt and defeat al-Qaeda," Albright told the commission.

The commission is to produce a final report on the attacks by the end of July. Its work is sensitive, as Bush is using his "war on terror" as a cornerstone of his campaign for re-election this year.

The open hearings were held at Congress as the White House mounted a damage-control operation in response to allegations from former White House counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke.

Clarke said in a book released Monday that his warnings about al-Qaeda were rebuffed by Bush officials and that they were determined to invade Iraq (news - web sites) from the early days of the administration.

Bush has agreed to speak to commission members in private.

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Kind of patchy, but at least there are some quotes you can bounce off of!

posted 03-23-2004 09:38 PM            

Sounds like old Rummy danced around the questions, too! I'll be watching tomorrow!

posted 03-27-2004 01:55 AM            

9-11 Commission Releases 2004 Hearing Schedule

March 8, 2004 — The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission) will hold four sets of public hearings between now and the release of its final report.

The following represents the remainder of the Commission’s 2004 investigative hearing schedule:

March 23-24, 2004 Counterterrorism Policy Washington, DC

April 13-14, 2004 Law Enforcement and the Intelligence Community Washington, DC

May 18-19, 2004 Emergency Response New York City The 9-11 Plot New York City

June 8-9, 2004 National Crisis Management Washington, DC

Additional information, including times, locations, and panels, will be disseminated approximately ten days prior to each hearing. Such information will also be available on the Commission’s website—www.9-11commission.gov.

Hearing dates and topics are subject to change at any time.

posted 03-29-2004 11:08 AM            

(Hollywood often does remakes of movies which have been successful in the past. )

The Warren Comission was appointed by the President who had the most to gain by a quick end to speculation about the Kennedy assassination.
The Warren Comission included members of both political parties.
Government agencies presented evidence and the comission took testimony.

The conclusion was a self serving avoidance of blame and responsibility;
a conclusion which was in direct opposition to the evidence presented.

My point?

Don't get your hopes up.
This tempest-in-a-teapot shall pass.

The guilty parties shall get off scott free, and continue to advance their careers in government.

Those who manipulate the cover-up shall be rewarded.

eg;
The Congressman (Gerald Ford-R) who was the most respected member of the Warren cover-up was later appointed President.
The jr attorney who constructed the outlandish "single-bullet-theory" was made a US Senator. (Arlen Spector)

Government inquiries rarely seek truth;
and, when truth is found regardless;
it is usually covered-up.
eg: Colin Powell's rise in the ranks of the Army took off meteorically after he covered-up the Mei-Lai massacre.
(He later got promoted over the heads of more qualified officers of all ethnic backgrounds.)

I predict that it will have blown over by election time.
The media are complicit in getting this quickly into the category of "old news"
so they can ignore it while licking their master's boots in the upcoming
"(s)election 2004".

Bush's dog died;
But he has many more dogs yapping at his command/ ABC, CBS, CNBC, CNN, Disney, FOX/faux, NBC, Time/Warner/ most newsmagazines/newspapers and most radio stations.
Salivating like Pavlov's dogs everytime their fax machine gets more 'talking points'*
the Millionaire news readers and news managers who cover this comission today, will quickly sweep it under the rug when told to do so.
As they now consider Bush's 'awol/desertion' for 6 months and ten days "old news", his insider trading "old news", drug use, etc. "old news"
http://www.rnc.org/Newsroom/TalkingPoints/default.htm

President Truman had the sign on his Oval Office desk:
"The buck stops here"
Bush's followers cannot believe their leaders are capable of doing wrong.
Bush and his staff are as insulated from blame as was Jim Jones or David Koresh.

posted 03-29-2004 11:40 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by increase 1776:
Arlene Spector Rep. from who knows where was the original one bullet backer and he was rewarded.I don't expect any miracles with the whitewash commision.Shatoga we are probably pretty close in age.born 1951

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Arlen Spector (R)-PA
After his service to the Warren Comission;
He became a Democratic Distric Attorney, then, switched parties and moved through the ranks of the PA Republicans to become Senator.
I campaigned for him, in several elections,
consider him as honest as anyone since Goldwater,* and have heard him lament '...ever being involved with the Warren comission....'

(edit/TMI)
Arlen announced his "snowball's chance in hell" 1996 Presidential campaign.
The (R) "party" does reward the faithful, but Dole was pre-positioned. (in reward for his RNC chairmanship during the 1972 'Dirty Tricks' Campaign/Watergate burglary/election cover-up, and his 1993 opposition to the National Health Insurance bill, which he had helped write, and co-sponsored, for Nixon, in 1973 = years of service to "the party")

posted 03-31-2004 10:45 AM            

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Found - The 911
'Stand Down Order'?
From Jerry Russell
jerry-r@comcast.net
3-30-4

Jim Hoffman has discovered a document which I believe may be very important to the 911 skeptic movement. This document superseded earlier DOD procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft, and it requires that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is personally responsible for issuing intercept orders. Commanders in the field are stripped of all authority to act. This amazing order came from S.A. Fry (Vice Admiral, US Navy and Director, Joint Staff) so it appears to me that responsibility for the US armed forces "Failure to Respond" rests directly with Fry for issuing this instruction, as well as with Donald Rumsfeld for failing to execute his responsibility to issue orders in a timely fashion.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A (dated 1 June 2001) was issued for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." This new instruction superseded CJCSI 3610.01 of 31 July 1997.

This CJCSI states that "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."

Reference D refers to Department of Defense Directive 3025.15 (Feb. 18, 1997) which allows for commanders in the field to provide assistance to save lives in an emergency situation -- BUT any requests involving "potentially lethal support" (including "combat and tactical vehicles, vessels or aircraft; or ammunition") must still be approved by the Secretary of Defense. So again, the ability to respond to a hijacking in any meaningful fashion, is stripped from the commanders in the field.

While none of this relieves the Bush Administration from ultimate responsibility from 911, nevertheless there is the possibility that this discovery could somewhat diffuse the power of our movement's message about the "Stand Down", since it is now clear that it was implemented through a routine administrative memo.

If this comes up as an issue at the Washington 911 cover-up commission, it would be interesting if Fry could testify as to the reasoning behind making it bureaucratically impossible for the DOD to respond to hijackings in a timely fashion.

The relevant documents are on the Web at:
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/docs/intercept_proc.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d302515_021897/d302515p.pdf


Best regards,

Jerry Russell www.911-strike.com

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posted 03-31-2004 11:00 AM            

I figured it was something like that.

Isn't Rummy a PNAC member?

PNAC called for a "Peal harbor type-event" to get it's agenda accomplished.

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"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, the Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberg Group have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years."

posted 04-29-2004 09:47 AM            

By Steve Holland

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney faced questions on Thursday from the Sept. 11 commission about whether they considered al Qaeda an urgent priority before the catastrophic attacks and if they could have done more to counter the threat.

In a historic session with potential election-year ramifications, Bush and Cheney sat down in the Oval Office promptly at 9:30 a.m. EDT with the panel of five Republicans and five Democrats to answer questions for possibly several hours.

Bush agreed under pressure from victims' families and the commission to answer questions from all panel members, but only on condition he have Cheney at his side and they meet in private, with no recording of the session. They were not under oath.

The meeting took place in the very heart of presidential power, the Oval Office, rather than in a room that would have provided a traditional table-and-chair setting.

Bush and Cheney took up opposite seats in front of the fireplace, and commission members were clustered in the room on couches and chairs.

Bush was joined by White House legal counsel Alberto Gonzales and two other, unidentified White House lawyers who were there to take notes. The commission was allowed to bring one staffer for note-taking.

Past testimony has established that elements of the U.S. intelligence apparatus were aware of threats to American targets from the militant al Qaeda network, led by Osama bin Laden, before the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacking attacks.

Bush was braced for close questioning about his response to an Aug. 6, 2001, presidential intelligence memo entitled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike In US." It said al Qaeda members were in the United States and that the FBI had detected suspicious patterns of activity "consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks."

Bush was likely to be asked why he did not launch the U.S. government into battle stations based on the memo, which he received while on vacation in Texas.

Bush has already said the memo's usefulness was limited because it did not point to a specific target and did not provide "actionable intelligence." He was unlikely to give any ground on that position.

"This is a good opportunity for the president to sit down with members of the commission and talk to them about the seriousness with which we took the threat from al Qaeda, the steps we were taking to confront it, and how we have been responding to the attacks of September 11," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said after the meeting got started.

Bush's advisers were worried the commission's findings will be critical of the president, who is running for re-election in November on his record of fighting terrorism. The panel is working to complete its final report by July 26, well into the campaign season.

"It's good to see that after opposing and then stonewalling it, President Bush and Vice President Cheney will finally be testifying before the 9/11 commission," said Chad Clanton, a campaign spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.

"Let's hope they are open and forthcoming," Clanton said.

A Harris Poll released on Wednesday said 62 percent of those polled believed the Bush administration was warned by intelligence reports "about possible terrorist attacks in this country."

Bush, who initially opposed creation of the independent commission, was likely to be asked what he had done to prepare the United States for the possibility of al Qaeda attacks in the months after they took office.

posted 05-08-2004 11:54 PM            

FAA 9/11 TAPE DESTROYED

Update (05/08) : Matthew L. Wald's report from Sep11th

F.A.A. Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements

NY Times May 6

WASHINGTON, May 6 — At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said today...

The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, but it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. quality-assurance manager, who crushed the cassette in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department.

The inspector general had been asked by Senator John McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, to look into how well the Federal Aviation Administration had cooperated with the 9/11 Commission.

The quality-assurance manager told investigators that he had destroyed the tape because he thought making it was contrary to F.A.A. policy, which calls for written statements, and because he felt that the controllers "were not in the correct frame of mind to have properly consented to the taping" because of the stress of the day.

Please also check out:

The lost war drill?

Flight 11-The Twin Flight

Update (05/08) : Matthew L. Wald's report from Sep11th
(*thx to Woody Box)

NY Times (Mirror)

"...For example, at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center in
Ronkonkoma, which handles long-distance traffic around the New York
metropolitan area, the first inkling of a hijacking that most
controllers had was when a supervisor came to the cafeteria and asked
if he could change the television channel to CNN.

"Our TV's are always tuned to ESPN," one controller said.

The television screen showed one tower of the World Trade Center with
a hole in it. "We didn't know what kind, what airplane. There were
rumors it was a 737," the controller said. "We said, `No way, it
would be a much bigger hole.' We were watching, and we saw the second
one go in."

In the darkened, windowless cavern that is the operations floor of
the center, most controllers did not learn of the twin hijackings
until their colleagues came up from the cafeteria...."

Woody's Timeline:
8:44:38 R42: can you turn that DAL2433 a little bit to the right they
got that Eagle flight in there and the guy at 310 that they wanted to
look at this American to see what altitude he is at can you put him
on a 290 heading and stop the DAL1489 beneath him.

After 8:44 Am Flight 11 "officially must have been dropped" from the radar,
but "R42" didn't recognise it,
because he didn't ask, what happened.

It would be interesting to find out, who "R42" is.

posted 05-09-2004 01:40 PM            

Of course they destroyed it. Along with those NYC firefighter radio tapes as well.