posted 04-14-2004 05:25 PM            

December 01, 2003

Iowa State University

Iowans who use the public library are used to signs being posted on the wall. They might point to the reference desk or remind people to be quiet while inside the building. But, recently, residents of Iowa City who have visited the public library have been greeted with a new sign. It is a sign that tells us that some of what is fundamental to this country – and that we are right to hold dear – is in danger of being taken from us.

The sign reads: “Attention: Under Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act…records of all books and materials you borrow from this library, and of Internet sites you visit on library computers, may be obtained by federal agents. This law prohibits librarians from informing you if federal agents have obtained records.”

In the past two years, speaker after speaker in this lecture series has focused on the impact of the September 11th attacks. They are right to do so. The War on Terror is the defining issue of our time. It is testing us daily. Testing our strength. Testing our resolve. Testing our patience. Testing our vision. And it is testing our faith in the ideals our nation was founded on.

Equality for every American. Liberty and justice for all. We teach out children that these rights are inalienable. But under the Bush Administration, we are being shown how fragile they really are – and how much they must be defended.

Today, I’d like to speak with you about how I will fight the dangers of terrorism here at home without surrendering the very rights and liberties we are fighting to defend. Because I believe campaigns should be about telling people what they’re going to get when they cast their vote for President.

Americans deserve more than a campaign of slogans and sound bites. They deserve substance. They deserve real answers, not just anger. You see, this election is not just about replacing George Bush – it’s about changing the direction of our country. People in Iowa don’t go to caucus just because they support a candidate. You do it because you love America – and want it to be better. And you deserve to know what I – and every other candidate – would do to make this nation all it should be.

As I talk to people around the country, it’s clear there is a broad based fear that the ideologues of this Administration will stop at nothing to get dissenters out of the way. Already, they are summoning the full-power of their communications network – the attack ads, the Ann Coulters, the Sean Hannitys, the Rush Limbaughs – to try to stifle dissent. In the name of the War on Terror, they are attempting to diminish the very rights that define us. They turn civil debate into a shouting match of personal mudslinging that does a disservice to the quality of our democracy. These pretender protectors of our Constitution are trying to intimidate those who dare to speak out. We will not be silenced. We will be heard.

In my first hundred days, I will restore our commitment to civil rights and individual rights. And that will begin with the appointment of an Attorney General whose commitment to and understanding of the Constitution is as great as that of all Americans. An Attorney General who knows we can fight the war on terrorism without attacking America’s freedoms. An Attorney General whose name is not John Ashcroft. If I am President, this government will protect individual rights not roll them back. We will protect equal rights, privacy rights, and a woman’s right to choose. And we will restore the constitutional foundation of this nation.

Clearly in the War on Terror, we need to be prepared. Information is the most critical weapon we have. We need to be able to get and coordinate that information in a real way. And that means we need a President and an Attorney General who are ready to do that in ways that are consistent with who we are. Americans deserve to know there is some buffer between them and the unbridled power of our government.

After September 11th, this Administration gathered and used broad new powers to investigate the private lives of people in this country. The powers were supposed to be used fight the War on Terror. But George Bush and John Ashcroft have gone beyond that. They have used police powers in secret ways and for political purposes. John Ashcroft has authorized his agents to monitor church meetings and political rallies without any cause and without the need to get approval. Thirteen FAA employees and a high-tech Homeland Security tracking system were used to help Tom Delay track down Texas State Legislators who were resisting his plan to give Republicans more seats in Congress.

And the FBI investigated peaceful demonstrators who spoke out against this Administration’s policies in Iraq. I know what it’s like to be spied on by the government because it happened to me under Nixon when I came home from Vietnam and said that war was wrong. And one thing we don’t need in this country is an Attorney General who spies on Americans.

Consider the story of Barry Reingold. Barry is 61 – a retired phone-company employee who lives in Oakland, California. One day in July of last year, while at his local gym, he got into a heated discussion about George Bush. He didn’t say a threatening word and all he did was criticize the President’s policies. But soon thereafter he was visited at home by two FBI agents who were investigating his criticisms of the President.

An America that creates a secret police power which can by its secret discretion invade the privacy of Americans and intimidate them is a far cry from what our Founders envisioned and from what we have fought to protect for 228 years.

A country where you are visited by the authorities for thinking or voicing an unpopular idea smacks more of the Taliban than Thomas Jefferson. Trading in our basic rights for the false facade of security is not worth it – and it is not worthy of a great nation such as America.

We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashcroft.

That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. I’ve been a District Attorney and I know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on American’s basic rights.

Much of what is in Patriot Act are good ideas. The Act increased penalties for terrorists, limited the statute of limitations for terrorist crimes, and allowed for greater prosecution of overseas acts against America. I fought to include important money laundering restrictions to clamp down on the cash flowing to terrorist enterprises. I had been pushing for these ideas since the late nineties – and after September 11th they were more important than ever.

I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th – convinced that – with a sunset clause – it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasn’t a perfect bill – and it had a number of flaws – but this wasn’t the time to haggle. It was the time to act.

But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. That’s why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights.

This Administration has shown a pattern of abusing civil liberties. At this very moment, an FBI agent could be rifling through every website you’ve ever visited – and you would never know it. A Justice Department official in Washington could be reading every email you’ve sent in the last few months – and they wouldn’t need a judges permission or even a reason to do so. School librarians could be being placed under gag orders to keep them from speaking out. Federal investigators could be demanding and receiving upon request your private hospital medical records. Law enforcement officers could be entering your house while you are gone – rifling through your possessions – and leaving without every letting you know they had been there.

While the Administration assures us that some of these things have not occurred, no one feels comfortable with these possibilities. It doesn’t take a cynic to wonder about how far George Bush and John Ashcroft will go.

Many of the victims of the Bush Administration’s civil liberties violations are of Arab-descent – but our Constitution is color-blind. An assault on one person’s rights is an assault on this nation’s fabric and on all our rights. The Americans threatened when basic rights become treated as disposable are not just those from the Mid East. They’re Americans from the Midwest and all over our country.

If I’m elected President, we will put an end to “sneak and peak” searches which permit law enforcement to conduct a secret search and seize evidence without notification. Agents can break into a home or business to take photos, seize property, copy computer files, or load a secret keystroke detector on a computer. These searches should be limited only to the most rare circumstances. And law enforcement should provide notice of the search within seven days, unless a court extends the period of notification.

We will eliminate the potential of fishing expeditions into people’s library and business records. If the FBI wants to make these kinds of investigations, they will need a warrant issued by a judge and evidence that they are looking into an agent of a foreign power.

We will provide Americans with protections from wiretaps, prevent local police officers from spying on innocent people, and that ensures our courts guarantee appropriate national security protections.

At the same time, we need to strengthen the laws that actually do help us combat terrorism and keep America safe. This is some of the hard-work of fighting terrorism which the Administration has all too often failed to do. In the months leading up to September 11th, two of the hijackers were arrested for drunk driving -- and another was stopped for speeding and then let go even though he was the subject of an arrest warrant in a neighboring county and was on a federal terrorist watch list. Firefighters and law enforcement must have access to critical data so they can connect the dots. And we need to simplify and streamline the 58 national terrorist watch lists and make sure they’re available to the right people on the frontlines.

Four of the five terrorists who crashed an airliner into the Pentagon had false IDs. If teenagers trying to buy beer can falsify IDs, can we be surprised when terrorists can fake driver’s licenses and visas? It’s time for a new generation of smart driver’s licenses and IDs that use encrypted technology so they can’t be forged. Instead of the assault on our civil liberties that John Ashcroft is waging, we need to rely on new technology that can protect our privacy and our county at the same time. We need to reform our intelligence agencies so they collect, analyze and share all the relevant information they can about the terrorist threat.

Many of this Administration’s abuses of civil liberties have nothing to do with the Patriot Act. That’s especially true of the hundreds of people that have been detained without explanation and without real cause. John Ashcroft’s Justice Department has been so arrogant and reckless in detaining people that even the Department’s Inspector General has cried foul. 762 people – Arabs and Muslims – were detained, sometimes for many months, regardless of the evidence. Most were never charged with a real crime. Not one was charged in relation to the terrorism probe. But the average wait for the FBI to clear a detainee for deportation was 80 days, with some waiting as long as eight months. In numerous cases, people not accused of any crime were locked down 23 hours a day, sometimes in solitary confinement, and shackled when outside their cells.

Nacer Fathi Mustafa and his father, American citizens of Palestinian descent, were stopped by immigration agents in Houston on their way back home from a business trip to Mexico. They were arrested and charged with altering their passports. The authorities finally decided that there, in fact, was nothing wrong with their passports. After they had been held in a Texas jail for 67 days. John Ashcroft calls the policy “hold until cleared.” That’s just a fancy way of saying “guilty until proven innocent.” It is at odds with everything America’s justice system should be about – and it is wrong.

Americans have a right to expect more from their government. And a right to know what is happening in their country. We are a democracy after all – and in this country it is the people that rule. Yet, President Bush first resisted the pleas to appoint the bipartisan 9/11 commission and now that it is at work, the commission’s leaders – Republicans and Democrats alike – are reporting that the President, John Ashcroft, and other officials are blocking their requests for essential information. Each additional day of stonewalling is another day that all Americans are at increased risk. Our very security is at stake and this isn’t the time for the same-old political cover-up. It’s time to find the truth, face the truth, and tell the truth. If I am President, we will end this Administrations reign of secrecy and inform the American people about what actions are being taken to fight the War on Terror.

The story of America is the story of people like Fawaz Ismail. His Palestinian parents came to America from Jordan when he was nine years old. Twenty-five years ago, he began selling American flags from the back of his Volkswagen bus because he loved what the flag stood for. Today, he is the largest retailer of flags in America.

After September 11th, people lined up for half a mile outside his stores. He sold half a million flags in a week and donated a portion of the earnings to the families of the victims.

But a few days after the attack, he was leaving a restaurant on a Saturday afternoon when sirens began to scream. The police officer told him it was just a routine check. But he knew that the only reason he was pulled over was because of his ethnicity. When law enforcement wastes resources on those who have done nothing wrong – it makes it harder to track down those who are truly dangerous.

America deserves leaders that are more concerned with prosecuting the War on Terror, than persecuting those who disagree with them or those of a certain ethnic background. No one will be stronger in defending this nation than I, but we are better than secret and indefinite detentions. We are better than the physical abuse of prisoners who don’t have the slightest connection to terrorism. And there is a better way to security than racial or religious or ethnic profiling.

This debate is not just about laws on the books or the abuses of one official. It is about who we are as a people. When the President runs attack ads claiming Democrats are opposed to the War on Terror it is an assault on our very patriotism. When a hero like Max Cleland – who lost three limbs in Vietnam – is defeated for reelection to the Senate with Republican ads that say he lacks courage, it is an assault on basic decency. The America we believe in doesn’t quiet dissent – it encourages it. That’s the America I and others fought for. The America so many of us have marched for. We won’t let them keep us quiet. We will speak up. We will stand up. We will never give up on the fight for the America we deserve.

America deserves more from its leaders. They deserve leadership equal to the courage Americans show everyday. That courage can change this country and transform the world. It can give us a government that values democracy and preserves our rights. It can protect our country and our liberties. It can end the era of John Ashcroft and renew our faith in the Constitution. Fawaz Ismail’s flags fly on posts all over America. Let’s join together to make sure that flag represents the best of us – and that it represents all of us. Thank you.
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Read more at the search link above!

posted 04-14-2004 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
If you have problems with this and think Kerry is no different than Bush, why it's time for some R & R !

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posted 04-14-2004 10:22 PM            

You don't have to to remind me of the those who refuse to see the reality that exists!

And yes, I agree, the proof is in the pudding, but at least Kerry's recipe provides healthier ingredients than the PNAC one!

Pick a side! What do you want? Bush back in?

posted 04-15-2004 04:18 AM            

Why would Bush and his NWO/RNC spend so many millions every year
trying to convince people there is no difference between the two parties,
if there were really no difference.

The NWO would be just as happy with Democrats in power;
if there really were no difference!

That "no difference" propaganda serves to reduce the votes against Bush's New World Order police state.
Just as the RNCs 3rd party fronts divert votes away from making a real change, and serve to keep Bush and his one-party-rule gang in power.

Forgotten that Republicans paid for Nader TV ads in 2000?

Wanna learn more about one-party-rule?
search terms: "communism" "fascism" "nazism"
(always a priviledged elite who hold power, in a police state which represses dissent,
like: the Bush Administration!)

Reporter: "Governor Bush. What will you say to Democrats and others who will call you dictator because of the way you took office?"
George W Bush: (grinning) "As long as I'm their dictator." Jan 2001 Capitol Hill news conference

posted 04-15-2004 07:12 AM            

Pfffffff!!!

Lol.

Yeah okay.....Kerry Reaaaaally gives me something to be glad about.

"oh Mr. Skull and Bones, SAVE US!"

Kerry: "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."

posted 04-15-2004 10:09 AM            

You give THEM too much power! Shatoga and I have been posting the realities and the arguments supporting the difference between the parties, between the neocons and the more common sense socially and fiscally responsible party -- posting information and history that refutes your point of view! Yes, the system itself may be corrupt to a certain degree, but the neocons have changed the game, upped the ante, and thrown the whole world into shock! The evil has poked it head out of the cave and by God and everything that means freedom and liberty, justice and truth -- the fight is on. And don't dare think the light will not overcome the dark! You give in! You promote the dark by your very attitude -- accepting its power!

The facts about the two houses of government and the Republicans' role has been laid out by shatoga. The difference in Clinton's service compared to Bush's has been illustrated and yes, he was no saint, but a far cry better than the neocons. The PNAC and the neocon agenda has been discussed and revealed ad infinitum on this board. The obvious fact of RNC and media propaganda has been brought to light and shatoga's post above repeating its message of their obvious attitude toward the left -- the murder of Wellstone, the murders of bio-scientists, 9/11 designed and implemented, their blood lust for war and oil, their greed and insensitivity to families and the environment, their refusing to pass legislation for alternative energy over and over again and suppressing and degrading all those who question them! How much information do you need, for God's sake, to know that the two parties are opposed????? They're more polarized now than ever and have been for many years! Does Clinton's being scraped through the mill of impeachment and humiliation ring any bells and the absence of holding this administration to its lies concerning innocent blood for dubious claims and other lies mean anything to you?

You throw your arms up in the air and say "Oh, there's nothing to fight for, the Dems are no different than the Repubs! " Oh please! You say to me "you don't get it!" Well, guess what, you don't! The power of the people is the only hope we have! The power of truth, the power of light! You've agreed with that before, JBE, why give up on the notion and the basic premise of light overcoming dark, now?

How many bombs, how many 9/11's, how many lives lost will it take?

There is a battle going on! It is played in the halls of our government and behind the scenes. Alex Jones talks about the Bohemian Club and I know it's real. But their influence is waining! The power rests in truth itself -- truth from investigative journalists, truth from whistleblowers, truth from law suits, truth from movements and organizations forming community and active in overseeing that our country remains free, that we the people keep our freedoms! DANG! You either pick a side and fight, or stand back and make excuses that we are powerless! WE ARE NOT POWERLESS! WE ARE POWERFULL and our prayers and our individual acts of consumerism and fiscal responsibility along with our political activism will contribute to the good of the world!

The minute you give up, you are giving the dark side power!

You're the one who doesn't get it!

The light will overcome the dark! If ever a cosmic program was developed for the very purpose of waking humanity up to the concepts of truth and justice --- this cosmic reality program is it! If we are playing our parts choosing our sides and making spiritual choices -- by God and by all that is good in this chaotic time, I choose to support the light. I know about the shadows, the Illuminati, the alien/paramilitary, space/NASA, John Lear testimony, NWO plans --- but I tell you, there are those working against all of that, too! Why do you think JFK was killed? Wellstone? There ARE those who know and are fighting it, and they aren't in the Republican party! Period! (exception: Ron Paul)

There are layers and layers in which to fight the dark. You know this. The political layer is one of them, and albeit not the deepest level. The spiritual level is another layer and there are lightworkers operating on that level. There are psychic levels. There are dimensional levels and fincancial levels. There are physical levels. But every level is important and the truth ever rises to the surface!

The world does not have to play into the hands of the elitist cabals! We have a say in it -- the world of humanity has a say! A united world, a global community can exist and thrive with the proper ethics in place and the dark manipulating forces erased. It can be done. At least Kerry knows what freedom and fairness means and knows the fight ahead and is willing to be a leader in that. His wife, his children whom I've seen in action are a testimony to his values, his committment is obvious through his actions and intentions. And again, he won't appoint an Ashcroft and certainly doesn't need the cover of a theocracy to push a hegemonious agenda! He's a strong adherent to the separation of church and state. The neocons would be out of power and placed again, behind the scenes to try to manipulate the only force they would have left, which would be the sheeple Republicans left in Congress and their big money swaggering and the system of shadow government that would be left in place. I might add that the elitist world cabals would continue to try to manipulate -- but even the Bilderbergers aren't what they used to be! The fight will continue. To reveal that shadow government would be the next order of business and if you think a Dem cabinet would accept a neocon agenda/shadow government with the Kucinich's and the Kennedy types onboard -- you're blinded to the light on that layer of the battle!

Kerry may be a blue blood, but examining his actions, he certainly does not act like one. If you are afraid that he can be controlled, remember that his whole cabinet, his Attorney General, and at least one house of Congress would work together to repair the damage that has been done and it takes a group of like minded assholes to create the chaos that the neocons have pulled off. The neocons are out. Now what do you think a Dem adminstration would do? The same thing? Oh please! You can tie me to a post and beat me with a wet noodle if your predictions come true, JBE! LOL!

The only thing we have to worry about is another planned and orchestrated inside-job terrorist attack before the election. This would be the skunk-in-the-corner act that would insure the neocons stay in power. If Kerry wasn't a threat, would this even be considered? Think about it!

Laugh all you want, Mech!
http://www.911review.org/Wiki/IITruthCommissionCall.shtml
http://www.911skeptics.blogspot.com/
http://www.democrats.com

posted 04-15-2004 10:18 AM            

Uhhhh yeah..if you like

OKLAHOMA CITY

RUBY RIDGE

WACO HOLOCAUST

NAFTA

GATT

The list goes on

and on

and on.

posted 04-15-2004 10:59 AM            

It's the whole administration that requires change! Attorney General! Head of transportation! Head of FEMA! Secretary of Denfense! Secretary of State! etc., etc., etc.!

Do you question that? No difference?

Perfectionism and black and white thinking will get us nowhere!

Yes, I agree that some things were wrong, some decisions were bad, but compare them to the last 3 1/2 years! Is there any comparison?

Without something even a little bit better, there is no hope and our freedoms will go down the tubes even faster, our nation threatened by outside forces, slashed to the lashing board of fiscal greed, and suffering on a world scale increased. Is this what you want?

The past 3 1/2 years:

Gas prices?

Oil cartels?

9/11?

world war?

lost jobs?

tax breaks for the wealthy?

tax burdens for the middle class and poor?

lack of college funding?

slashing of overtime pay?

punishing military wounded?

slashing and mutilating our Bill of Rights and Constitution?

disregarding separation of church and state?

lying to the people on more issues than any Dem president in the past?

inarticulate and stupid president?

disrespected America in the eyes of the world?

more terrorism, not less?

ignoring the environment?

ignoring global warming?

privatizing health care?

not allowing imports of pharms?

catering to corporations?

supporting outsourcing?

corporations not paying taxes?

larger defense appropriations?

lying about children and education and not supporting "no child left behind?"

sacrificing young men and women at the alter of oil, greed, and power?

connecting Hussein to 9/11?

the neocon agenda of hegemoney, world and space domination?

catering to the Isrealis?

lying about economy doing good?

gerrymandering of Republicans against the rules?

stealing an election?

preventing minorities from voting?

control of the major media by right wing?

control of the FBI and CIA, manipulating the CIA and FBI by whim and plan?

ignoring the UN?

deregulating energy companies?

plans for privitization of water sources?

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Kerry needs to be stronger on getting out of Iraq! That's his achilles heel right now!

A way to fight back:
http://www.solari.com

posted 04-15-2004 11:23 AM            

Ummmm...

Did you know Cathrine Fitts DOES NOT endorse John Kerry?

posted 04-15-2004 01:25 PM            

I never said that darkness will overcome the light. Please stop projecting your thoughts or your ideas into my mind! I accept no power other than the Christ/Love frequency. Yes, like all humans I succumb to negative emotions at times but I do not live or breath through them. And who said anything about me giving up? Technically, since this level of reality is merely an illusion of our mind there is nothing to give up. There is only Oneness and within it neither light nor darkness exists.

posted 04-15-2004 01:49 PM            

thought projection,

JBE!

Sorry.

You don't even address the facts or questions I raised and that's OK. You can live in your own world of projection, too, but I at least tried to help you see some facts in at least one layer of reality that within that stratum -- deserves logical contemplation.

You post on other threads within this layer, the WMD being smuggled into Iraq, the neocon agenda, yet when it comes to putting it all together and making your own personal assessment, suddenly you retreat into the recesses of ambiguity!

For each of the negative trends above initiated by our present regime, I challenge any of you to confirm that a Democrat regime would have escalated those same values and events!

Our Republic is more threatened now than ever by this present regime and I know you know this.

Change at this time, matters! Kerry is talking to NY City College right now and is talking "empowerment." He's mentioning truth, the preserving of our Constitution, defining of our own government through "the people" and you wouldn't even hear that out of the mouth of the Bushites!

Think and vote how you want, but don't expect me to see how many intelligent and cogent people in this country can only be a belief system! Balderdash! I'm not the only one, JBE! Every article I post in which I state I agree, every peace movement, every accountability organization, every man and woman who cares about our country while caring about truth and justice sees the same things I do. So don't single me out like I'm some blinded believer when I can assure you there are millions out there like me.

posted 04-15-2004 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
I will never call facts laid out in logical order or evidence of differences a
thought projection,

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And what exactly do you think your reality is if it is not a thought projection?

quote:

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
You don't even address the facts or questions I raised and that's OK. You can live in your own world of projection, too, but I at least tried to help you see some facts in at least one layer of reality that within that stratum -- deserves logical contemplation.

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I do not need help in seeing facts that are broadcast through mainstream media. It is drilled in our heads from every angle and I have been listening to it my whole life!

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
You post on other threads within this layer, the WMD being smuggled into Iraq, the neocon agenda, yet when it comes to putting it all together and making your own personal assessment, suddenly you retreat into the recesses of ambiguity!

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What do you mean I haven’t put it all together? I understand exactly what I think and how I see things – the same as you do! When I post news items the purpose is to bring to light the deception and propaganda that goes on throughout the political movement.

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
For each of the negative trends above initiated by our present regime, I challenge any of you to confirm that a Democrat regime would have escalated those same values and events!

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That can’t be proven. But what can be proven is that the Clinton Administration further allowed the NWO agenda to proceed. As if he wasn’t a liar above all else! ha! Besides, I recently provided a small sampling of that information here already.

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
Our Republic is more threatened now than ever by this present regime and I know you know this.

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Yes, the current neocons pushed the agenda harder than Clinton did. But our constitutional rights will continue to be further threatened but there is no sense in discussing that now.

quote:

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
Change at this time, matters! Kerry is talking to NY City College right now and is talking "empowerment." He's mentioning truth, the preserving of our Constitution, defining of our own government through "the people" and you wouldn't even hear that out of the mouth of the Bushites!

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We heard all kinds of pretty words come out of Bush’s mouth before he was elected!

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
Think and vote how you want, but don't expect me to see how many intelligent and cogent people in this country can only be a belief system! Balderdash! I'm not the only one, JBE! Every article I post in which I state I agree, every peace movement, every accountability organization, every man and woman who cares about our country while caring about truth and justice sees the same things I do. So don't single me out like I'm some blinded believer when I can assure you there are millions out there like me.

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posted 04-15-2004 03:21 PM            

Christian theocracy as shield?

PNAC as a source of power and plan to take over the world and space?

NWO came out of the lips of Bush Senior for God's sake!

Dismantling our civil liberties?

Those are just a few of the quickly instigated NWO plans we all can see!

Tell me Clinton supported that NWO thrust as strongly or vehemently?

posted 04-15-2004 04:30 PM            

If you, JBE, could simply look back and see the difference and have some hope, maybe it would work!

The light will overcome the dark. If you know that's true, than are you waiting for the cataclysms to do the work for you? Are you waiting for it all to go down? I don't believe we have to let it all go down! I envision in my mind, that we, as a people, as the world's people, can preserve and protect the vision that we all share -- one of peace, one of love, one of prosperity for more, not a slave planet with an Orwellian NWO! I won't buy it!

THAT is my vision, THAT is my projection into the future along with many hundreds of millions of others!

Quit the thread! You obviously cannot debate much on this one!

posted 04-15-2004 05:09 PM            

THAT is my vision, THAT is my projection into the future along with many hundreds of millions of others!"

YOU WON"T get it with John Forbes Kerry in office..thats for DAMNED sure.You would be NAIEVE in assuming so.

Nothing short of REVOLUTION will get things turned around. YES..its THAT BAD. Just ask any high level flag officer like Col. Don De Grand.

Oh yes and KERRY will hand it all (fake utopia) to us on a Silver platter...right Boomer Chick.

10 to 1 says you'll go right back to sleep once Kerrys elected just like the Yuppies will.

The only way to fight the NWO is oppose their SE-lected leaders that pose as our saviors while behind our backs bleed our country dry.

posted 04-15-2004 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
THAT is my vision, THAT is my projection into the future along with many hundreds of millions of others!

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It is a total waste of energy to project or envision anything into the future. The future does not exist! By projecting away from the eternal now, you further lock yourself into the illusion of this reality.

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Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
Quit the thread! You obviously cannot debate much on this one!

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Ha! There is no obvious about anything here! You VERY WELL know that as of two days ago I am looking to relocate back to New Jersey. This involves finding another job, a new home, the right school system for my daughter - to name ONLY 3 of the biggest priorities in my life right now! I DO NOT have time for distractions especially if it involves wasted time.

posted 04-15-2004 07:13 PM            

Ain't it a little late?

You either accept the reality of the system as it is and try to move the behemoth -- or you don't!

You choose "don't" -- so what? Thank God the citizens in this sinking country don't see it your way! Of course many of them don't see at all -- but many more do see! You see?
LOL!

Well, just keep comtemplating that the Boogie Men will get us all -- that helps a lot ---- and then fantacize on the side that you will lead a revolution and topple the monster masters!

In the meantime, you lose your change vote, voting for someone like Kucinich and Bush gains a vote! Nice!

JBE, it's not wise to bring your personal life onto the board! Perhaps you're taking all this too personally anyway and obviously you're too esoteric to discuss on this mundane level of reality. I'll let you off the hook! I was hoping you could remain objective on this! Yes, this is a waste of your time, so don't throw out enticing statements next time, OK? And maybe just don't reply if you see me chomping at the bit! I'm quite emotional about these political situations and I'll get even more so as time beats onward toward the elections, but then again, I'll probably not have the time to even post!

We create our reality of the future through the dreams and visions of today! DUH!

"Fake utopia?" HUH! Just the opportunity to work hard, keep them to task, and turn this bulging behemoth back on the right track! UMPH! Maybe change the electoral college, more campaign finance reform, and include a third party + ? Takes time!

black and white thinking again, Mech?

posted 04-15-2004 07:20 PM            

I just have this uncanny ability to see through the matrix.

You can stay inside it and still think the current system works for all I care.

John Kerry isn't going to change squat.

Won't waste my vote on him either.

Again..don't tell me how to vote.

posted 04-15-2004 09:40 PM            

they used those Executive Orders for toilet paper alongside copies of the Bill of Rights,
but slick was trying to reign in the out of control government.
"There is a government within the government and I am not in charge." President Clinton, 1996.
"We (Democrats) are just window dressing." Paul McHale, 1996.

That government is no longer out of control.

Bush and his party are in control.

Those factions which refused to accept the authority of Clinton, support bush unreservedly.

Nuther picky detail:
Before NAFTA, there was a far worse program in place.
The Carribean Basin Initiative paid businesses to shut down in the USA and move overseas.
It also was duty free imports with American goods being subjected to tariffs.
One way trade was worse than two way tariff free trade.

Arguing endlessly that NAFTA is evil without recognizing that it replaced something much worse, is not seeing througn any matrix;
It is being "blinded by the right".

Hate Democrats with an unreasoning zeal all you wish, but consider who taught you that hate.
The NWO media did.

would they push hate and distrust of Democrats so endlessly if the Democrats were as easily controlled as the Republicans?

Even when they had control of both houses of Congress and the White House,
Democrats were unable to do much.

Republicans set the agenda in Clinton's first days;
Threatening filibusters against every bill except gays in the military, they misdirected people away from the outrageous Reagan/Bush defict, and massive unemployment, and;
With media support set the agenda.

Programs concentrated on "What will Republicans do to regain power?
(thus giving the rightwing lots of free air time to push thier agenda.
When Republicans took control of Congress in 1994, the media concentrated on "What will Republicans do now?
Again giving Republicans lots of free air time to push thier agenda.

Who asked on nationwide media: "what will Democrats do to regain power?
Nobody!

Only one party in the USA is known for having a top down power structure:
Republicans who lockstep to the orders of their leaders.

Democrats, each and every one,
thinks he or she is the only person with the answers.

They are too divided to ever be any real threat to our freedom.

Anyone who has never been on both sides,
as an activist and insider,
is only basing their opinion on half-truths.

Note some here who reject any word from kerry or any other Democrat out of hand,
while buying repeatedly into the rightwing propaganda.
At least I distrust both sides.

Why don't I rail against Democrats?
ABC CBS CNN CNBC NBC and most newspapers, and all Clear Channel radio stations are doing a fine job of railing against Democrats daily.

Sceptics should remember the Time Magazine cover negative and attack article:
"What Voters Don't Trust About Clinton"
and be honest enough to not that there never was such an article about Bush.
There were daily editorials attacking Clinton for eight years.
Monica had not even moved to DC or met Mr Bill until after three years of Republican Special Counsels digging into every detail of Clinton's past.
(and even Clinton hating Starr found no evidence to indict either Clinton of any crime except misdemeanor lying about "sex with a consenting adult".

That same media now gives Bush a free pass.

Tossing softballs, despite the deaths of thousands due directly to Bush's mismanagment.

My neighbor's dog could do a better job than George W!

The dog is not electable though.
Only Kerry stands between US and a Bush dictatorship without boundaries!

Wake up America!

Mech,
Past time to pay attention to the elephant behind that curtain. (the real matrix/project Mockingbird)
Who gave you that complete distrust of all Democrats?
who convinced you to be willing to leave Bush in power, despite you being the person who has exposed many of his worst crimes?

posted 04-15-2004 10:25 PM            

As a Young Republican, with credidentials from campaigning for Goldwater in 64, Nixon in 68 and 72, Ford in 76, and Reagan in 1980;
Having been an active supporter of congressman George HW Bush in Houston and Ron Paul after he beat Bush in the Republican primary;
I had access to staffers for several Senators and Congressmen.
At times face time with the Candidates even after they won.
I saw the shift to the radical right that drove Goldwater from the Republican party firsthand.
That loss of respect for the US Constitution and willingness to trade principles for power was called "pragmatism".
Pragmatic Republicans who believed that taking power by any means possible was the only way to gain power to right the wrongs of the system;
They took power and increased the wrongs.
Increased the debt, increased government intrusion into lives of citizens,
Failed at every turn to stand up for the Bill of Rights.
Gave flowery speeches, then failed to repeal extremist gun laws or reduce the power of the growing police state.
Finally:
The question at a meeting organizing the campaign for A Republican Senator in 1992;
The question was asked "who has a computer?
We who answered yes or raised our hands were taken to another room to learn:
"How to overwhelm the media; To make it look like there are more of us than there really are..."
I became a Team leader.
Part of the Web of Deceit.

Joining the Buchannon Campaign also, briefly during the 1992 Republican primary, I saw just how dirty the Bush bunch fights.

Later I was asked to register as a Democrat:
Specifically assigned to run a bogus "Democrats for____" in a successful ploy to re-elect my rightwing Senator.

I also was assigned to join Ross Perot's fledgling political party.
I was a paid advisor who taught them, in my tri-state area, how to get politicians to be unpaid guest speakers at their meetings.

After asking Oliver North and Arlen Spector to run against Clinton in 1996,
I got introduced to several Republican Senators, and eventually met Newt and most leaders of the party.

The special prosecution of Clinton had a goal often stated in closed door meetings at Republican Clubs:
1. Impeach Clinton
2. Gore pardons Clinton/ impeach Gore
3. Newt becomes President.

At this point, I began to doubt the sanity of Republican leadership.

They had the power to repeal gun laws and failed to take action.
They refused to even consider a national Concealed Carry Permit.
"It's better to keep the issue for our side." and even more ridiculous arguments.

They gained control of spending and outspent Democrats!
congressional Pork reached undreamed of levels under Republican Congressional control.

They said that only a constitutional amendment could balance ythe budget.
Clinton said "Just make the tough choices."
Clinton proved to be right, and the spending spree slowed as the deficit became a surplus.
government had grown to monstrous proportions under Reagan and bush but Clinton
delegated his VP to reduce government and it shrank to levels comparable to twenty years past.

Bush took power.
The surplus shrank and quickly became
a more massive debt than ever before.

By this time, I had determined that the Republican leadership were believing their own lies, because while preaching smaller government and lower deficits they had again turned government into a massive monster invading peoples' privacy and spending like drunken sailors.

by 911, I was convinced the people who had taken over the Republican Party were "pragmatic Republicans" who would do almost anything in a singleminded pursuit of power.
911 proved that the word almost was wrong:
They are capable of any atrocity that serves their ends.
So are many Democrats.

Now the orwellian nightmare has become reality.
government under the Bush regime creates endless wars to justify the growing police state.
The Orwellian Ministry of Truth, which dissemnated lies to brainwash people has become the American media. (performing exactly that function)

From 1900 to 1992 Democrats had only all voted the same way once:
When they passed Social Security (with one lone Republican whose career ended that day)
In 1993-1994 Democrats only all voted the same way once!
When they reversed the Reagan/Bush spending spree and mandated 'pay-as-you-go' policies that resulted in balanced budgets, surpluses and jobs for everybody that wanted one.

Four Democrats five opinions is far less threat to freedom than Republicans who often follow the dictates of their party leaders.

Many, many times, too numerous times to account, Republicans have followed-the-leader and all voted en-bloc.

Divided centrist rule vs a monolithic rightwing police state?
I choose divided rule every time!