posted 04-20-2004 10:29 PM            

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/25/183344.shtml

Sen. Hillary Clinton said Wednesday that the U.S.'s all-volunteer Army isn't producing enough recruits to meet current demands in Iraq and Afghanistan, adding that the current system encourages leaders to make reckless troop deployments. In a speech to the Brookings Institution, the former first lady complained that an all-volunteer force makes it "easy for decision-makers just to try to keep it out of sight and out of mind."

Mrs. Clinton said that the current system for fulfilling troop levels "raises serious questions in a democracy, both [about] how we define ourselves [and] what the real risks politically and militarily of taking action might be," according to quotes picked up by MSNBC.com.

Senator John Kerry (D-MA) http://www.russoforpresident.com/kerry001.html

John Kerry Outlines Plan to Require Service for High School Students
Part of 100 days Plan to Enlist One Million Americans in National Service A Year

On September 11th, 2001, America experienced the most terrible and deadly attack in its history. John Kerry believes we need to think big and do better and get more young Americans serving the nation. As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students and four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service.

posted 04-25-2004 01:32 PM            

Newsmax shows their lack of respect for the facts by calling the Jr. Senator from NY >the top Democrat<
Totally missing is the call for inclusion of Americorps type civilian service to America, as an alternative to military service.

How about the other half of the truth?

Rangel introduces bill to reinstate draft - Jan. 8, 2003
" ... Rangel introduces bill to reinstate draft. Rumsfeld says he sees no need for military draft. Rangel: 'For ... Draft controversy. The nation ... " www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

Yes I've also read those books (ghost written for "conservatives") attacking Hillary.
Lots of half truths there too.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/147483_draft08.html
Saturday, November 8, 2003
>military observers and some members of Congress say that the notion of a possible military draft is gaining traction, in part because of questions from Democrats in Congress about the conduct of the Iraqi reconstruction, from retired military officers who are worried that the force is too small to accomplish such a big and difficult job -- and because of the administration itself.

The Defense Department fueled the debate this week when it placed a notice on its Web site asking for "men and women in the community who might be willing to serve as members of a local draft board."

The notice, which appeared on an official Web page for the Selective Service System titled "Defend America," explained: "If a military draft becomes necessary, approximately 2,000 Local and Appeal Boards throughout America would decide which young men, who submit a claim, receive deferments, postponements or exemptions from military service, based on Federal guidelines. Positions are available in many communities across the Nation."

The Pentagon wouldn't comment on the notice, and by yesterday it had been pulled from the Web site without explanation.
< [URL=http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1077906,00.html www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1077906,00.html
Wolfowitz on Reinstating Draft: "We need this and we are going to ...
" ... (October 28, 2003) The White House advisors have been making discreet inquiries on the Hill about the Bush plan to reinstitute a universal draft in America ... " www.propagandamatrix.com/121103wolfowitzdraft.html

This is an old story.
>Ironically, if the White House and Pentagon decide to reinstitute the draft they will earn support from some senior Democrats. Sen. Ernest Hollings of South Carolina and Rep. Charles Rangel of New York have both said that the country should bring back the draft.<
>Rangel argues that poor and less-educated Americans suffer a disproportionate number of deaths and injuries in an all-volunteer force.

"In Iraq, minorities represented a disproportionate 32 percent of the deaths among combat-related specialties and 40 percent of those among the non-combat ranks," Rangel said.

"I do deplore the fact that Americans and Americans-to-be of their socioeconomic positions make up the overwhelming majority of our nation's armed forces, and that, by and large, those of wealth and position are absent from the ranks of ground troops," he said.

"The point is that, under a draft, every economic group, every social class, men and women, would be given the opportunity to contribute to the defense of their country," he said.
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IMHO/They are all wrong.
The Pres. the Cabinet, Senators and Congresscritters should have to fight their own damn wars!

All experience hath shown:
During the Nam, children of wealth and priviledge avoided the draft:
By student exemptions (college cowards)
Or by daddy pulling strings for cushy safe jobs.
Cheney, Phil Gramm, Newt Gingrich;
Only a few like our man Slick risked demonstrating against the war. (all too often demonstrators were beaten by cops, jailhouse "suicides"
or shot by courageous National Guardsmen.

Or like Quaile(sic) and Bush defending their home states.
Only the very few who were Americans first;
Such as John Kerry and Al Gore,
gave up the advantages and enlisted, then volunteered for the Nam.
(Yes rightwing propagandists claim "combat photographer" is a safe job.
Ask the many photogs shot by US troops in Iraq how safe that job is)

Now return to the rewriting of history (as usual) as the rightwing blame Liberals for what they* (rightwingers)intended to do all the while.

*"Waaa! look what they made me do!"
(carping whining little conservatives)
www.sfgate.com

'Special skills draft' on drawing board
Computer experts, foreign language specialists lead list of military's needs
Eric Rosenberg, Hearst Newspapers
Saturday, March 13, 2004
©2004 San Francisco Chronicle | Feedback | FAQ

URL: sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/13/MNG905K1BC1.DTL

Washington -- The government is taking the first steps toward a targeted
military draft of Americans with special skills in computers and foreign
languages.

The Selective Service System has begun the process of creating the
procedures and policies to conduct such a targeted draft in case military
officials ask Congress to authorize it and the lawmakers agree to such a
request.

Richard Flahavan, a spokesman for the Selective Service System, said
planning for a possible draft of linguists and computer experts had begun
last fall after Pentagon personnel officials said the military needed more
people with skills in those areas.

"Talking to the manpower folks at the Department of Defense and others,
what came up was that nobody foresees a need for a large conventional draft
such as we had in Vietnam," Flahavan said. "But they thought that if we
have any kind of a draft, it will probably be a special skills draft."

posted 04-25-2004 01:42 PM            

Are you stating Hillary Clinton doesnt support a Military draft?

Are you saying John Forbes Kerry doesnt support Compulsory national "service"?

How does telling the TRUTH benefit BUSH?

posted 04-25-2004 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Mech:
Shatoga..

Are you stating Hillary Clinton doesnt support a Military draft?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:
Are you saying John Forbes Kerry doesnt support Compulsory national "service"?

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Both support service to America, either in the military or in civilian jobs.
Charles Wrangel makes the argument for children of the wealthy also serving America.

Had you read my entire post;
Or visited the websites referenced,
you might find it is Bush and cronies preparing for a draft.
They just intend to blame Liberals (as usual)
instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:
How does telling the TRUTH benefit BUSH?

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If... you'd read the whole post (or visited the websites referenced) instead of quickly finding something to rebut.
You might notice I called the Newsmax article "half-truth";
And "half-truths" are conservatives stock-in-trade.

ps: who are you, and what have you done with
"Mech"
The crusader who tirelessly ferreted out the truth about Bush's new world order?
Do you actually expect anyone to believe the "Mech" who now merely restates RNC dogma is really oru Mech?
I think not!

posted 04-25-2004 02:08 PM            

Democrats and Republicans are a FALSE CHOICE nowadays. To say that the Democraps OR REPUBS have the Americans peoples best interest and Americas future at heart is a bit like REARRANGING THE DECK CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC.

ONLY untill we grab the bull by the horns and live by Constitutional law and abolish the federal reserve System, get out of NAFTA/GATT, and change the system entirely, then we might have a chance aat saving America from the New World Order.

So far, most Americans are IN FAVOR of maintaining the status quo.

I'm definately NOT.

Sorry if that makes you mad Shatoga. I support NEITHER..its a JOKE as far as I'm concerned. Its NOT a choice.

posted 04-25-2004 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Mech:
Whatever.

So far, most Americans are IN FAVOR of maintaining the status quo.

I'm definately NOT.

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Only one way to peacefully remove Bush from office.
Vote for the lesser-of-two-evils: John Kerry.

the choice is simple:
1. Divided government
Vote for Kerry and replace Bush with a Democrat.
The government within the government (NWO) does NOT take orders from any Democrat.
eg: "There is a government within the government, and I am not in charge." President Clinton
2. Any other action leaves Bush in power.
The NWO government within the government acts on any hint from Bush.
eg: Bush's "Find me a reason to invade Iraq" was reason enough to dust off Project Mongoose, Appendix A: "Operation Northwoods"
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/inauguration/transition/oneill.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
>going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

“From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.”

As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this,’" says O’Neill. “For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap.”

And that came up at this first meeting, says O’Neill, who adds that the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later. <

Between Bush, whose wish is the NWO insiders command, and Kerry who will be opposed at every turn.
I prefer divided government.

quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:

So far, most Americans are IN FAVOR of maintaining the status quo.

I'm definately NOT.

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Any action other than 'replacing Bush with the only person who can beat him*' IS maintaining the status quo.

Kerry is the only person who can defeat Bush at the polls.
Failure to vote, or failure to vote for Kerry IS a vote for Bush.

posted 04-25-2004 03:19 PM            

No..it's NOT a "lesser" of two evils...its STILL evil.It's a RIGGED GAME. You still CAN'T SEE THAT. It's sad really.

Shatoga: "Between Bush, whose wish is the NWO insiders command, and Kerry who will be opposed at every turn.
I prefer divided government."

HA! Kerry wil NOT "be opposed at every turn" what a JOKE!! Oh man that was too funny!

Yeah..you PREFER a simple shuffling of THEIR DECK OF CARDS..not ours.

I will NOT vote for corruption to replace corruption.

That would be BETRAYING my constitutional oath.

Shatoga: Although it is frustrating to read RNC talking points posted by someone whom I respect.

Uhhhh...for the FITH time....... I DO NOT support the RNC.

You've lost my respect by making a FALSE ACCUSATION that I do.

Bush should be impeached and the entire federal government at the highest levels should be investigated. Its the only way.
Then NEW...UNINFLUENCED NON-CAREER politicians should be run and voted on.

posted 04-25-2004 05:29 PM            

Reality/ cold hard facts:
Bush betrayed his oath to uphold and defend the US Constitution.
(by signing into "law" the unconstitutional patriot act (suspension of: right to trial by jury/habeus corpus, 1st 4th and 5th amendments, 14th amendment violations by RNC 2000 Bush campaign)

If anyone will not perform the only legal action which will get Bush out of the White House,
then (by default) they support Bush.

Compulsory service, whether as a teacher, cop, soldier, sailor, merchant marine,
is a program I personally support.

The maggots (IMHO) which both foster and feed upon corruption,
are most often chickenhawks like Cheney who quietly avoided service to our country.

posted 04-25-2004 07:43 PM            

"Compulsory service, whether as a teacher, cop, soldier, sailor, merchant marine,
is a program I personally support."

Ah yes....DITCH DIGGING and tattle taleing for the HOMELAND.

posted 04-25-2004 08:00 PM            

Art is for artists

Truck driving is for Truck Drivers

Sales is for salesmen

Teaching is for teachers

Those that remember the 60's, the draft is a BAD idea.

Russo is the #1 choice

Russo doesn't stand a chance

Anybody but Bush

John Kerry and Hillary Clinton want more war, surveillance, and Draft

Kerry will probably be less fanatical on domestic issues, including woman's rights.

A hard swallow to make a despicable choice

Has to be Kerry (Gulp! Whew! ).....but.......The Jury is still out on that decision....What if.......Kerry is a Trojan Horse?

I Accept Mech's choice, and understand it.

He is not giving a vote for Bush.

It is his right to make his own choice!

posted 04-25-2004 09:26 PM            

I refuse to accept that anyone who understands the evil which Bush both represents and enables,
can believe Bush and the neo-cons are telling the truth when they trash Kerry.

They (neo-cons/Bush/RNC) have lied about everything else.

Why choose to believe the mud slinging that is so transparently intended to keep Bush in power.

edit to add:
Evidence to support my doubts that the real Mech is not the person now posting as Mech;
Mech once both saw and posted the truth: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001023-4.html

BTW/ the government within the government that refused to take orders from Clinton, is: those rightwing neo-cons.

It's beyond my power to clear the muddled thinking of the brainwashed.

All that is possible is to point out the obvious truths,
in hopes that free thinkers may escape the cult of conservatism's web of deceit.

Democrats have nothing comparable to the brainwashing PRopaganda efforts which Republicans use so relentlessly to befuddle the masses.

Those fooled by the RNC's PRopaganda are unable to even consider the fact that it is the Bush Administration planing to reinstitute the draft.
That some Democrats want the children of the rich to also serve in the Bushwars is further evidence that Democrats march each to his or her own drummer.
Republicans lockstep often to the orders of their leaders.

Mindless hatred of Democrats is evidence of RNC (web of deceit) brainwashing having been successful.

posted 04-25-2004 09:36 PM            

Some people just see through the lies on BOTH ENDS of the political ticket regrdless if it has a democrat or republican face.

Never liked Clinton BTW...didn't vote for him either.

posted 04-25-2004 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Mech:
See..you have it all BACKWARDS. The New World Order/Globalists CONTROL our government. Bush does NOT control them. He takes his marching orders from them..Just like Kerry.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:
A "neo-conservative" is an
advocate of totalitarian world government.--"

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:
this describes the BU$H mob perfectly.....
"--A while back, a gaggle of Trotskyite Communists and other totalitarians
began
the process of stealing the label "conservative." They began to call
themselves "neo-conservatives," or "neo-cons" for short. They didn´t change
what they
were, just what they were called. They still wanted the government to run
everything, as in Mother Russia.
Typically, their purpose was to drive the true conservatives out of
conservatism as they had driven them out of true liberalism; their purpose
was to make
liberty lovers homeless and ineffectual again. So, they began to say that if
you don´t believe what they believe - if you aren´t a "neo-conservative" -
you
aren´t a conservative at all; you´re disloyal.
Or.."you are either with us, or with the terrorists"..
A "neo-conservative" is an
advocate of totalitarian world government.--"

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:

It was the the Torries (conservatives) that supported the King and fuedalism...much like it is today.
They also supported thinks like slavery,were against womens rights,workers rights, civil rights...you name it. All for $ and power.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mech:

Shatoga: Although it is frustrating to read RNC talking points posted by someone whom I respect.

Uhhhh...for the FITH time....... I DO NOT support the RNC.

You've lost my respect by making a FALSE ACCUSATION that I do.

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I've not accused you of knowingly supporting the RNC,
just of buying into their BS unknowingly.
Being fooled into throwing your vote away.

posted 04-25-2004 10:10 PM            

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I Just Want To Know
By Judith Moriarty
NoahsHouse@adelphia.net
4-23-4

Last night's news showed Senator Hagel of Nebraska, touting the draft. Now the good Senator wasn't talking about his own little darlings going off to war, but ours. His are still young, ages 11 and 13. You can understand his being generous with your kids lives.

I'm really trying to understand all of this. The towers imploded, and the world according to America effectively ended. Not that it wasn't decades in the making, but somehow that cloud of ash, chasing citizens down concrete canyons was the final opening of the nether world. That and bombing the Cradle of Civilization to smithereens to liberate them from evil.

Within hours of 9-11, all kinds of photographs of hijackers were shown, when supposedly no intelligence had been at work for months in Foggy Bottom, D.C? So say the blame game, silly ass 9-11 Commission Hearings. Everyone is at fault but mostly nobody. Not like out in the real world, where you're always at fault no matter the event or crisis. Doesn't matter the travesty. Have you ever noticed that nobody ever gets fired. Not from Kent State, the Move Bombing, Waco, Ruby Ridge, S&L heist, Enron etc. They get promoted or raises. Now with supposed intelligence gathering agencies all over Washington, D.C.; they now need more money for super-duper improved intelligence! Like super-improved toilet paper. It's bound to please. Billions upon untold billions have been spent on defense and intelligence these past decades. Billions, and no planes took off to stop these "hijacked" planes crashing their way across America. I want someone on this Commission to ask "Who's minding the store here?" I don't care what Condi Rice says from some script. I have no intention of buying any of the recent "insider" books. Just fluff and nutter distractions. My plumb line is; if they were really earth shattering and truthful, the authors would be dead in some airplane crash or another spur of the moment suicide. I just want to know, how the Super Power of the world, had 19 scruffy looking (so we're told with no airport photographs) mid-eastern men with box cutters, and a few lessons on crop dusters, become so proficient? Imagine how we could cut down on pilot training, seeing how these bozos, with just a few quick lessons, learned to whip these jumbo jets around like they were hang gliders? I think the Commission should look into this cost saving.

I want to know how tons and tons of massive steel girders, concrete, steel reinforcing bars, etc., imploded so neatly like a pile of blocks? Just like TV showings of apartment buildings and stadiums being brought down. It was uncanny. How, when no large building, until 9-11 had ever done that, and certainly not two times in a row? I want to know who didn't go to work that day and why? I want to know why all the steel from a crime scene was shipped to China? Who gave that order?

I want to know why Americans are all seen as terrorists today? With millions streaming across the border (who knows what nationalities) what looney clown insanity has ordered the searching of children, grandmothers in wheelchairs and nursing mothers? Hundreds of thousands coming into the country on work visas, and every other kind, and we (BORN IN THE USA) need retina scans, fingerprints, triple-ID, pictures etc.? Why don't Attorney General Ashcoft, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, the Supreme Court etc., have to go through the same degrading, dictatorial country, indignities? Why should they be trusted more than a three year old kid or a grandma on oxygen? Why? Me? I got a ticket once for going through a stop sign (25 years ago) so said the cop (I didn't). So now I'm at the top of the list as a suspect? Hell the President has more on his record than me or lots of people I know. I don't see him being searched before he gets on that helicopter for vacation or weekend getaways every week.

A draft! Betcha you won't see that until the day after the next 'selection'. And how will that work? Will President Bush who said, "Bring'em On", drive his daughters to the recruitment center? How about all the Senators, Congressmen, and Military Industrial Complex kids? Will they be first to give a good example of "shared sacrifice?" Well will they?

And what if I don't believe in war? That being a "Christian", I don't want to murder or kill anyone? What if I believe that love of neighbor means the Iraqi-the Syrian-the Israeli-the Palestinian-and Texans? What if I belong to the non-warring Christians, that God doesn't talk to every day? Why should I march off to die in 140 degree heat because bureaucrats (in air conditioned clubs) can't run a war? I want someone to tell me what this war is all about anyway? Supposedly 15 guys from Saudi Arabia, and one from Egypt, and a couple others from who knows where else, did the 9-11 dastardly deed. And then we go and bomb Afghanistan. That gets bombed to heck and back, and then all of a sudden it's evil Saddam 'again'. Still evil since '91. First it was the elusive weapons of mass destruction--then regime change--then liberation! And so we tried to bomb the people into democracy, and they didn't get the message. Saddam, with supposedly with all his billions was found hiding in a hole in the ground! Frankly, if he was that far gone, that that's the only place he could find to hide with months of advance warning, he should be in a looney bin! Stupid question but if he had all these weapons of mass destruction to come and kill us, don't you think he'd have used a few when Shock and Awe started? Me, no military person, has been wondering what he was saving them for? His capture was supposed to solve everything. Where is he, when's the trial, nary a word. Like he never existed. What about all the people captured from the silly ass deck of cards? Where are they? Where are the trials?

And now there are thousands of mercenaries (that they call duh, contractors), thousands of reservists and soldiers told; "oops we don't know what we're doing so you'll have to stay on four, six, who knows how many more months?" Right, while all those doing the 'ordering', are off on vacation? Isn't that a bitch? And what if you were one of the ones scheduled to come home a couple weeks back, and because of ineptness and incompetence, from a war being run by over the hill CEO's, you end up losing your arms, your sight or your life? Are any of these tanned politicians or appointed warmongers going to take care of you or your family? I think not. I'll most likely find you under a bridge like so many other homeless veterans I worked with.

I don't believe polls, I don't believe anything on the corporate owned media. Zero. What stupidity has these lackeys from public relations firms, all spiffed up, like pet nanny goats off to the fair, pontificating on the logistics of war? What? These jokers, who get no further than the firm where they pick up their lucrative paychecks, and then to some bar in Georgetown, are going to elucidate on war!! Ah!

I do. I feel like I fell into some mad cartoon on TV and I can't get out. This Nebraska Senator, all sparkling and dressed to the nines, was yakking on about war and war and more war. Why war for 20-30-maybe 40 years! Iraq-Iran-Syria-Cuba-Korea--hey, maybe if it lasts long enough we'll get to Nebraska. Just like the novel 1984. We were always at war.

We're spending approximately $4.7 Billion a month on WAR! Does anybody think this is nuts? People can't afford medicine (thank you Medicare bill, funding insurance-pharmaceuticals-HMOs). Can't afford hospital care? Too bad, if you're not Cheney, the President, or the Senators and Congress people, with their several plans. Pay raises, bonuses, exotic trips abroad (called fact finding missions), months off, health club, sumptuous laden dining rooms etc; they take care of themselves. Us, their employers? Dead or cutting pills in half, selling our blood to eat.

Unemployment in the millions, unemployment benefits exhausted, and what do these dunderheads do? Why endorse Right to Work (for less) and cut out overtime (not theirs) the only thing that keeps people from starving. No matter, it won't be them or theirs. Jobs? Let's see? Wal-marts, McDonalds, a casino, a prison, Home Depot (part time) or driving a garbage truck. The choice is too tough. Now there's a vibrant economy for you. But then, there's the military, for all those farm kids, ghetto kids, and rural America, with it's boarded up shops and mills. Can't compete with someone in China in a slave sweatshop making pennies an hour. That's what you get in Trade Deals worked out by CEO's, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and World Leaders. NO...no representation of the people permitted at the table.

I get nauseated every time I hear some ignorant hooper, who hasn't got past the fourth grade in history, spout off about American's should work for less money and benefits! Really? Well, let's start with the robber baron corporations getting billions in tax breaks and subsidies. Let's cut out those midnight yearly raises in Washington, and all the family lobbying jobs. What these uneducated Republicans are saying is, we should all aspire to be Third World countries, with the hucksters working people to death, and robbing the lands of gold-minerals-timber-coal-gas-OIL-and Water. Then give them off-shore banking privileges so they needn't pay any taxes. It really is scary how dumb people can get from watching wrestling, home shopping, football, basketball, and these shyster TV evangelists demanding money for some rag they'll mail out to you for healing. True. Yes-people are mind-numbed beyond learning.

The American Dream? I've heard people yammering, "Ah things have always been rotten you just haven't seen it. There was never good times." Well I'll tell them one thing. Sure there were robber barons--find two men and most likely one was a thief. But they were influencing government, they weren't the cabinet. And I remember when the mills were open and the men went off with their lunch pails. No nursery schools raising kids. Mothers could stay at home and cook real meals. No cameras watching your every move, no triplicate ID, no searches at airports, or road blocks. Mexicans (because of failed NAFTA) weren't streaming over the border by the millions.

People didn't have to leave their hometowns to look for work. An auto worker, could send his kid to college. Rents were affordable, as was food and gas. No Sherwin William Color Coded fear days, and no need to keep that plastic and duct tape handy. Duck and Cover did the trick. No robot voices on the phone, when you call for service, and no talking to someone in India about a service problem. Drugs didn't saturate neighborhoods, and the worst offense in town was drunk driving. People sat on their porches, went on picnics together, and didn't need to worry about some predator kidnapping their kid. Milk wasn't filled with growth hormones and antibiotics. A tomato was a tomato, and not part fish, part gorilla. There were real farms and real farmers. Hogs didn't live in factories, and huge manure lagoons didn't poison whole rivers. Big machines didn't destroy a mountain in a day down in West Virginia, and nobody wore designer anything. Sneakers for $150.00. Cost probably a couple bucks to make in China. This shows you that herd thinking is real. Same with $1000.00 bikes, designer jackets-designer vacations etc. Who needs four homes? Only greedy, self-indulgent-hogs. Best of all, doctors weren't technocrats, taking orders from some HMO drone, in a cubicle hundreds of miles away. He came to the house and you could afford the medicine. I never thought doctors would give up their dignity and concern for their patients so easily.

I want to know why crazy people who know nothing of war, nothing of hometown America, nothing of working for a living, nothing of people in foreign lands, nothing about the non-war God, and nothing about protecting the environment, are being allowed to ruin one beautiful jewel of a planet, that is irreplaceable? I want to know how much money does a man need? I want to know if perverse power is so deranged that it can't think or care of what it's doing to future generations? I want to know how we can escape from this mad cartoon world before these deranged clowns with hatchets kill us all? I sure hope there are aliens and I hope they know we're not all nuts! I hope when they come they let us point out the real crazies. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they're not related to the clowns on the midway ruining the fair for everyone.

posted 04-25-2004 10:25 PM            

Likewise for all the commentary Ive made about DEMOCRATS as well.

AGAIN..posting THE TUTH about Democrats doesnt make you a RNC OR Bush supporter.

posted 04-27-2004 03:01 AM            

(I encourage anybody who read increase's post to print it out and re-read it, heck formulate your own list of questions and ideas of what's going on and pass it around to family and friends. The only way things are going to start changing is if more people wake up and start to question whats going on and not just take in what the boob-tube tells them is going on and what to think. Actually, one of the only ways things are going to really change is if we step out from behind our computers and get out and start talking.)

They can silence a few but once everybody starts standing up it becomes increasingly difficult to do so.

Here's a thought on why we went after Saddam and why we haven't heard from him since:

(I haven't been able to verify this one-hundred percent so if any body has any info on this one please provide)
Back during George senior's term Saddam tried to have him assainated (for whatever reason i am unsure) on possibly two separate occasions. Both failed, obviously. So, fast foward to 2000 and georgie boy becomes prez ( Now the most powerful man in the world) So if you really love your father, and now you have all this power in the world wouldn't you go after the bastard who tried to kill him??!!! Wouldn't you use all the resources available and tell your advisors find a link btw saddam and osama, I don't care how find one, or make up all sorts of lies to go after this man who tried to kill your daddy. And would'nt you take out all is closest friends and family ( THINK about how the deaths of saddam's sons were paraded on national television and yet the atrocities committed against those 4 contractors didn't get air time or were blurred out because they were deemed too graphic. That should raise a big red flag in your head) I think the reason we haven't seen saddam is because daddy and son are torturing him right now. Wouldn't you if you had all the power and were a corrupt sick minded sob!!!!!
Think about it!!!
And Remember Ockham's Razor: The simplest answer is usually the true.
It don't get any simplier than that. Imagine all these deaths because daddy and son are so fffed up in the head. CLASSIC CASE OF REVENGE!!

posted 04-27-2004 03:10 AM            

http://www.house.gov/judiciary/98186.htm

For starters,

Art. I, Sec. 3, Cl. 6 and 7:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
-and-

Art. II, Sec. 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.